Gin no Ishi

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我觉得直接从小提琴开始挺好的，如果这个鼓点抓了剩下的所有鼓点都要抓

说实话我觉得声音有点太轻了 虽然确实听得见
先观望一下

就强度而言我觉得和00:06:698 (6698|3,6912|2) - 是差不多的，只是音调非常低。

个人认为这里应该是和前面00:06:269 (6269|5,6484|4,6698|3,6912|2) - 这些是一组的，整体效果上来说加上可能会更好

ok 那还是加上吧 不过长的这一根（中提琴？）我还是想留着，结构上感觉这样好一些

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Indeed. added

可以 说实话确实没差

sure. I just ran out of space. moved a couple notes around to preserve 4 notes anchor

nice catch

好，不过我还是保留了双乱。这个地方我觉得得密度和前面拉开差距。
排列我改用了4个一组的trill写音调变化，然后其它的地方乱键补上hihat和clap

tbh I think for 100% playback they are that different at all. You may tell the first one is slightly extended, but for sounds that are short like this I don't think it really worth breaking up the pattern to reflect this very minor difference.

I think 00:52:448 is a pretty clear clap, tho maybe slightly vaguer but still audibly different, and the rest are all the same. The other doubles on white tick are just kicks that have been consistently mapped as doubles

hmm I also debated with myself for quite a while regarding this..
I mean if someone else think LNs are actually better than maybe I should go down that route. changed

woops. fixed

没事的，bpm 140而且od7
这个难度我觉得这个程度的没问题的

well sure

Is this 01:06:698 - left as double on purpose?

yes. but since you have it pointed out I think it is probably better to just triple it

I didn't use LN here for a specific reason: if I LN this one, I will also have to LN 00:55:769 here, and I don't think it works really that well: 00:55:126 and 00:55:984 are two separate violin phrases and they sound disconnected, so having short LNs in between them don't look as pleasing to me. I think the current solution of using LN ends to represented those sounds is the best solution here.

没错

我觉得这跟4星没啥关系..这星数只是个密度参照度，pattern多难完全是另一回事
只说这个jack我觉得完全没问题，140真的很慢很慢了...如果有空间能把这个连打的音用pattern表现出来我还是想放出来的，要不然全都是121这种真的就是流水账了

hmm interesting. I thought that was what I did especially when I referred to what I did at the section prior to second kiai. Well that's definitely not intended. I fixed all

How about these places? 01:10:126 - , 01:11:841 - , 01:13:555 - , etc

oh maybe i understand, these notes 01:13:019 (73019|2,73341|2,73555|0,73662|2) - are set as single on purpose?

yes. It doesn't really matter which sound exactly sounds like a double/single. The thing is that here for two beats that is not completely the same under 100% playback should be differentiated by double/single so that when they are played they do feel different, and I think your perception that the earlier one is strong is true. That's why I changed those to double, and left the remaining to single

oops. fixed

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That looks slightly awkward. I moved 01:28:984 (88984|3) - to 6 and this one to 4

同上，这个设计就是一个27 28级左右的歌，而且是很低bpm的乱键。
纯双乱反而觉得不太适合这个难度，何况这是比较有特色的音了不如用jack强调一下

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01:54:055 (114055|2,114162|4,114269|2,114376|4,114484|2) - these are for the repetitive string sounds. All of them, if strictly following PR, should be trills like this but that would be awful to play. So I diversified most of them like 01:52:341 (112341|2,112448|3,112555|1,112662|3,112769|2) -
I think I just didn't touch this one, but I think this pattern is justified

"All of them, if strictly following PR, should be trills", so that's maybe what i'm actually concerned here.

Currently you only follow the strict PR in several places, which induce those 3 anchors trill kinda randomly, so i think may be a bit sudden and weird if we consider the design of this whole part

well ok it's not that I am doing the trill thing consistently anyway. I moved around a little bit to break the anchor

I think this can be tripled. I listened a couple of times under 100% playback and it is indeed clear enough, at least not dramatically fainter than others.

I think there is a clear layering issue with adding any note here. There is no string sound to add any note here whatsoever, that's why it only has two notes for kick. 02:16:555 (136555|0,136555|2,136555|4) - is the only outlier since it has an extra layer of dadada like starting from 02:15:484 so there is a solid reason for one more note other than the doubles for kick, but yeah without string sound there's no way to get a quad, since quad is literately kicks + claps + string

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可以 把那个音都补上了

sure

I am just lacking space here. I think if I move my furniture around I should be able to make space for 4-note anchor here possible eventually, but I think I would rather keep the pattern simple/straightforward and readable here. It would be completely fine to still have an anchor, but I just don't like how that look and play.

For your latter question, 02:35:198 (155198|3,155412|4) - they actually are at the same pitch. This is also the same thing that I can anchor them, but that doesn't look too appealing so I break them up

nice catch. it should have been triple

this one is already in a transitional phase to LN patterns and clap before this 02:57:269 is doubled. I think it makes sense to just keep double here

03:00:055 sure. added

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其实原本都是有note的 我打了一遍none之后删了
原速听的时候感觉实在是太轻了 加上反而有违和感

All fixed except 03:30:055. That leads to a double stairs which song distinctively different. I think it is better to keep this one single so that it is visually different from the incoming double stairs

oh yeah I probably should explain this. My idea of using minijack here is that I need a pattern, or some way to convey this kick to player. There is no legitimate reason for me to add any note here (as how kicks are treated early throughout the whole section there is no real justification to triple this), the last resort is to elevate the difficulty by pattern to signify that this specific notes are different.

I ended up choosing jack here not because the two consecutive notes sounds the same, but because the second note is visually and physically harder to play, and it really communicates the idea that the kick is different pretty well imo. It emphasis the second note which is kick in this case, and I think it suits well.

ok

03:28:984 (208984|0,209091|0) - jack is ok but this is feel so odd when we check the whole part from 03:28:984 03:28:769 - to 03:29:412 - and next part 03:30:055 - , hmmm, I feel there are no two distinct sounds with a strong sense of repetition, which are more like a group of coherent drums, so I'd suggest you remove this jack just be normal stream will better, how you think?

https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/17856586/2ed9
这个左边的13是我听到的鼓重复的感觉，很理解pc哥想突出03:29:091 - ，但这是一处 x--x--x 的结构

On a closer inspection I think what you and dongsheng said make senses. The lone jack here is indeed weird. I was thinking about making all heavy beats like this jacks then, but I think that does no good to no one. Alright, remove the jack

拍拍拍pattern还是算了，有点丑...

yeap

please refer to the other post for my response.

I am going to resolve this for now, feel free to reopen

感谢摸图！

I rearranged this section

sure

I need this to connect the pattern. Indeed strictly following the instruments then this is a mistake, but from the song's standpoint this is still in the middle of a sentence where we are "stepping up" through a set of short scales, each of them passing down to others. Thus for each set of scale, eg 04:32:626 (272626|0,272734|2,272841|4) - 04:33:055 (273055|6,273162|4,273269|6) - 04:33:484 (273484|0,273591|1,273698|2) - I prefer to have the last note extended to where the next pattern begins so that they are all connected.

This is how I feel when I listen to the song, but yeah definitely disagree below if you think strongly that this should be altered.

btw 04:33:484 (273484|0,273591|1,273698|2) - shouldn't be doubled even if I have space to do so. The main reason is that it belongs more to the group of scales that elevate throughout like 04:33:055 (273055|6,273162|4,273269|6) - rather than the continuous violin bursts like 04:33:912 (273912|4,273912|0,274019|1,274019|6,274126|2,274126|4,274234|6,274234|0,274341|4,274341|1,274448|6,274448|2) - . Even just for the purpose of differentiating them makes sense to leave them as single

i can understand your intention at 04:33:269 (273269|6) -, that's OK i think.

But for 04:36:805 (276805|3,276912|4) -, since the "next part" begins at 04:37:126 - , even based on your design here still feel kinda weird imo

my last-ditch effort to keep this pattern(
I tried to shorten the LNs and they would probably ends up looking something like this https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/17724498/db36 . You might argue that the selected LN can also be removed, all some previous LNs can also be shorten, but either way the short scales are going to last until 04:37:126, and 04:36:269 (276269|6) - isn't going anywhere..

To me having short LNs (and on top of that, end abruptly together leaving huge space behind) in a supposedly interconnected LN pattern is just too ugly, and there is no reason for it to die down as it is still at the peak of a sentence. I feel like everything should be as connected as possible until 04:39:698 where a new sentence begins

I know it doesn't 100% follow the music and looks awkward compare to how we usually do LNs. But it follows the flow well, and let's just say its the necessary compromise between having easy-to-follow flow or fun-to-play pattern vs. a strict layering/following the exact music

'and there is no reason for it to die down as it is still at the peak of a sentence" i agree with this and your idea here is fine.

But here from my listening i just think 04:37:126 - actually has broken the song into 2 sentences, just like 04:33:912 - , so maybe i think the best way to go here is sth like this, if your LN pattern is meant for the completeness of each sentence, https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/17726145/9837

What do you think about this?

it really definitely is the same sentence. If you only listen from 04:37:126 and I don't think you can make any sense out of it. 04:36:269 really contributes to the integrity of this sentence by going the scale up so its counterpart can go down at 04:37:126

your suggestion is what I tried at the beginning, similar to my example at https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/17724498/db36 . If you notice how empty the top right you may know where my rejection roots in: for a part that is so interconnected I don't think we should leave any huge gap in the pattern

ok...it can be seen as one sentence in this way, then i will follow your intention here

I am pretty sure there are at least two instruments going on (might be two violins actually, I am not sure) but for the intensity I think it makes sense to double all of these

好 感觉确实长一点好 这里音也不是说断的那么干脆

猴 不用动timing是最好的

Sure, and the flow of these LNs has been slightly changed to match the violin.

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hmm at 140bpm I think this should not be a issue. Anyway changed the first one, the second is a little bit weird for me and I will keep current pattern.

alright

I agree with that the sound at 1/4 line is more like echo, but mapping it as normal note seems more confusing since they are still the violin sounds, so I prefer to keep these notes.

ok

oops can't remember why I did that. added them expect this 05:15:698 - it is already very dense and the sound is actually not that obvious to heard. As for 05:17:948 - it is also not that obvious to heard imo and I want to emphasize the violin sound 05:18:055 (318055|0,318055|4,318162|1,318162|5,318269|6,318269|2)

ok

Sure, changed

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yeah. anchor all of them would be the way to go I believe

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