mapped by _Kobii
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This map is estimated to be ranked on 27 March 2025 if no issues are found. It is #30 in the ranking queue.
Hype Train187 / 5
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nominated by _Stan and AWMRone
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I don't know much about mapping but isn't the accuracy value normally higher than 6? I could be wrong, but I thought it was around 7.5.

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OD value has to be lower due to the amount of LNs in the map

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Marked as resolved by _Kobii

Thanks for clearing that up for me :D

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Yeah I knew u1d's LOST letter here is so damn cool but for ranable side, sorry I have to say this is seems not that proper for me.
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based on the melody itself
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01:40:800 - L
here just a vocal 1/1 and some 1/4 beat rhythm,, and a dump feeling after 01:41:025 - , so basically how to express those thing you made 01:40:800 (100800|5,100800|4,100900|3,100937|2,100950|4,100975|5) -
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01:45:600 - O
a vocal 1/1 and 3x 1/4 melody with a dump feeling after 01:45:750 - , the "o" dumping here basically cant show the melody on 01:45:600 - 01:45:675 - 01:45:750 -
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01:50:400 - S
a part similar to L, so the overall setting is totally different with L, can't be expressed or explained well imo.
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01:55:200 - T
a part similar to O

I think we'd better make this part more reasonable for the song itself, not LOST, 不然真的很难解释非常牵强

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dark red: vocal chord
light red: 👆 but rhythm different
purple: vocal chord but tone changed
X: clap rhythm
transparent red: another vocal chord to connect to next one

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yea I made a new version, do you think it is appropriate now

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now it seems reasonable enough

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Marked as resolved by _Stan

jump to this part, yeah, LETTER is really COOL like COOLEST but only it can be explained well in rankable side when ranking, or it really hard to explain why mapped like that unless only do visual.
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06:41:788 (401788|0,401788|6,401863|3,401938|4,401938|2,402013|1,402013|5,402388|2,402388|4,402388|1,402388|5,402425|3,402988|5,402988|3,402988|2,402988|4,402988|1,403213|4,403213|5,403213|3) -
thing like this I'll pointed out that the rhythm here is 3/4 this the beat rhythm composer made, based on this we can found that MWC letters are not really fit the rhythm in this part, cuz when it came to LNed, that just really hard to explain why the middle rhythm of 3/4 part got 3 different style, 2LNs+1note, 3notes and 3 LNs

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personally think it does play fine here without feeling too awkward imo, if it does interrupt the playability here then I do consider changing them. Yes I would like to keep it for the visual and I think it would be cool to keep them although from ranking pov it does feel inconsistent. I believe we can make this exceptional for this part since it plays only the small part.

Let me know what you thought

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I must declare that I have no hostility or opinion towards this behavior because for visual effects, we can even create more letters, not just MWC. I know this song is very meaningful, but because it is too important, it will have a great impact. Starting from the perspective of whether there are any issues with playing, I believe that this is indirectly encouraging everyone to insert various meaningful letters through visual means. In other words, if we assume that MWC can do this because it is a World Cup, then events in other regions will be affected too and keep their letter in maps when it's TB, even some latter witch hard to "draw" like Q, G, K, X.
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Standardization, rationality of expression, impact of significant events on the future, and quality of maps. I sincerely hope that this map is more based on its own melody and instruments rather than creating specific effects (due to its high attention, the standards aren't be too relaxed)
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Once again, I really like and support this idea, and I have also used it myself. But through previous editions of TB ('22, '23, '24), these letters were not preserved (if the map had).

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dropping my 2 cents here

if the letters art in question poses no playability issue, and is accurate to the song (which imo is already accurate enough) we really don't have to think about it too much. unless it is detrimental to the gameplay of course.

in the end the map is meant to be played by the players, and mappers are free to express their intention however they like it. previous TBs not using it doesn't mean that it can't be used for this one, it gives the map a unique identity. i personally think we are way past the point of standardizing maps according to a set of ideals

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我对这里的文字押没有意见,似乎他们已经表达了音乐。
注意到这三拍都是切分结构,即:06:42:013 - 这里有一个重音,这三个字母在这里刚好凑成了三押,并且06:41:788 - 主拍的长音都有两个1/1LN作为体现。
这种程度在我这里可以接受,只是06:41:863 (401863|3,402425|3) - 这里为了画字母用了一个过渡,一个grace我觉得都在接受范围之内
当然这只是我的意见:3

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我个人评判是否达到rank标准主要有以下几个方面:
1、难度是否失衡
2、pattern是否"基本正确"地表达了音乐
3、可玩性与手感(音乐很奇怪是,pattern可以故意卡手)
4、个人口味(不在讨论范围内)
似乎这里的pattern没有违反我的原则

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要求3/4处的旋律完全用相同的配置可能有一些苛刻了。我觉得它只要用强调的chord表示出来就可以了,甚至这个版本还都是tripple,要不然的话很多图都没有办法写了

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You didn't answer my worries and also your reply "要求3/4处的旋律完全用相同的配置可能有一些苛刻了" are not valid since I never said they should be used in simialr way strictly

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你的担心有道理但是是一个程度问题,你担心的是随意插入字母,那么只要BN加以约束,使其仅能“插入合理的字母”就可以了,当然合理不合理这玩意比较主观,我觉得这个地方是合理的,当然你是提出问题的人,最终关闭权在你,我只是提一下我的想法

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solved after discussed

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Marked as resolved by _Stan

After testing, I think the final paragraph of the current version is still too difficult. A certain nerf is required, and some of the issues I have posted in the discussion forum .Will be closed after the difficulty balance is resolved

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it's fine for me, can check it out after the game

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^ I mean agree with nerf

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I agree with the nerf.

Density adjustment is required in the latter part of the BPM increase section

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nerfed my parts

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好像有很多变化我先关掉,下一轮check在时间轴里更新

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Marked as resolved by AWMRone
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