i am not really sure what you are trying to follow in this section here 01:06:866 - > 01:28:809 -. Starting here 01:22:638 - , vocals seem to be your focus, but this can't be said about the previous few seconds of that part. The notes feel rather random and not really following a predetermined structure, which I would change about this part. I think following the vocals everywhere could be a good solution. Especially for dense vocals like this here 01:18:180 -, the same emphasis could be applied. I think you should go over that section again and make your focus consistent and try to make it make sense.
Hi, this is a veto!
I talked to a few other people before making this post, and we believe that this map goes against the principle of not promoting PP abusive maps. So I've decided to take it down for now to allow discussion on it and to try to find a proper solution.
kk
, it doesn't make sense to not also do that with 02:16:895 (166,167) - (dk
right now). 02:21:095 (209) - Same here.dddkddkkdkkdkddkkdkddkkdkdkdk
. In short, the color swaps are not appropriately emphasizing the synth which causes inconsistencies all over the place and therefore also this emphasis issue that I would like to be talked about and fixed.
Then, why are these here 02:45:609 - 1/2s when the entire kiai actively uses 5plets and longer patterns on 02:40:295 - for example? It doesn't make sense to suddenly switch to a 1/2 pattern and it removes any sort of semblance of consistency on this transition to the last quarter of the kiai.
Also, 02:39:780 - ignoring those drums here is quite questionable after 02:47:666 (483,484,485,486,487,488,489,490,491) - are extended to fill the drum. Again, if this was mapped to the synth here, 02:48:266 (490) - would need to be removed as held on the previous note. So either map those drums or remove 02:48:266 (490) - .
About this part 03:33:780 -, 03:33:780 (159,160,161,162) - is not 1/6 but rather d here 03:33:780 - and 1/8 ddd here 03:33:866 - if you want it to be accurate.
Additionally, personally I don't get why 03:34:295 - is mapped, might be a nitpick but then what I really don't understand is why this synth here 03:34:895 - isn't emphasized.
Last but not least, 02:37:895 - according to 02:15:609 and 02:26:580, should be a longer stream as the backing synth is identical. if the beeping is being followed here, 02:38:838 should be removed instead so that it's consistent with the patterns immediately before this, 02:39:266 (400,401) should be moved to 02:39:180
02:40:809 -. Current patterns doesn't make sense consistency-wise. While I can see, that there are vocal cuts, the way as it is mapped right now, breaks consistency with the rest of the entire section, which mainly sticks to the synth.
Points 1, 2 and 4 are also repeated in this kiai 04:03:780 - , so please make sure to also take a look at those parts and try to fix stuff accordingly.
This should be it for now, what I need to resolve this veto is a proper way to emphasize the synth in the mentioned parts, clear the pp abusive patterns as best as possible with the new emphasis of synth in mind, as well as a bit of a clean up in terms of the 3rd point I made here for example. Thanks!
2 > This is because of the difference in song structure. The section from has a kick-like sounds that are not present in the first half of the section. It is normal to change the patterns according to the tune or the sound being played.
3> Yes. We knew it was 1/8, but it's a deliberate simplification; 1/6 is simpler and easier to beat, so it flows better.
1 4 > You are right about this. My checks were sparse. I take my responsibility for any inconvenience caused very seriously
02:15:609 - kkdkkkddkdddkkdkkddkdkkkddkdk
https://i.ibb.co/QvVjK5g/screenshot055.jpg
02:21:095 - dddkddkkkdkkddkddkdkkkddkkdkk
https://i.ibb.co/Y31dYCm/screenshot056.jpg
02:22:123 is lower sounding, so I put a d
02:37:552 - ddkdkkddkdkkddkkdkkdkddkddkkddk
https://i.ibb.co/DG9dwG5/screenshot057.jpg
Long stream placed
02:40:809 - I thought that if I took only the synth sound, the map would be monotonous, so I picked up the vocal sound.
I didn't know how to paste the image, sorry.
was asked for thoughts. gonna break it down into a few different posts just for ease of access
2 > This is because of the difference in song structure. The section from has a kick-like sounds that are not present in the first half of the section. It is normal to change the patterns according to the tune or the sound being played.
while it is true that there is an argument for the kicks, the swap to them is done in a very abrupt manner due to the very long synth-focused streams before this section, and the fact that they're still mapped on 02:46:295 despite the kick backing being followed on the 1/2s throws rhythm off very heavily in this section. my suggestion:
I'd say the longstream on 02:51:266 can also be significantly cut down to match the kicks, for example, by removing 02:52:209, 02:52:552, 02:53:580 etc. try it out, imo this works a lot better
regarding the changes made:
when it comes to synth emphasis, I'd say that they aren't quite enough yet. for example, on patterns like 02:12:866, something akin to kkdkkdkddkddk is a lot more accurate to the synth. while it is true that the patterning becomes significantly more awkward, I think having some degree of color complexity here is nice so that it allows you to have some variety instead of spamming the same ddkdddk/kkdkkkd patterning over and over on every pattern like this.
now, this is not to say that you shouldn't use that - but having different patterning allows for variety, and it makes the map more interesting to play compared to having the same patterning over and over without sacrifing emphasis on the synth.
as a small addendum to the nitpick on point 3, I'd remove 03:35:066 (169) and make 03:34:980 (168) into a finisher since it's a lot louder than the drum, and emphasizing the cymbal crash feels a lot better
sorry for delay, there was not enough time for me to face osu.
He was very much influenced by my map of the same song, and we had to go through a lot of trial and error to avoid a similar arrangement.
As for 03:34:295 - I think that placing 1/8 out of the blue would increase the density and confuse players, so I am fine with a placement of 1/6.
there have been maps in the past that have been ranked with a similar arrangement for this and I don't see a problem with it.
As for the expression of emphasis by finishers like KdKdD, the kick is sounding and the three notes as finishers are enough to emphasize it. I did not point out that creating more break for emphasis would be a different value from his mapping style.
I see he has already updated the map, so I would appreciate a recheck if you can.
a reopen here because I feel like #4673611/12415396 has not been properly addressed. i agree here, that those patterns suggested by ideal are more appropriate for the sounds in the song, as they make more sense with the synth. please take another look and adjust some of those patterns as mentioned.
kiaiの配色に問題があります。(多分、Vetoの内容と丸かぶりだけど英語よむの面倒くさいのでこっちで)
02:12:866 - kはdよりも音が高く目立つため、アクセントとして置きたいのであればなるべく一貫してkを置き続けたいです。
02:13:380 - ここはdでも良いかもしれないけど、
02:13:552 - d
02:13:638 - k
という感じに変えたほうが違和感がないです。
根本的に、このような重い複合を置くような音が鳴っていないように感じるので、本当はもうちょい配置を細かくしたいです
その他ちょい続き
02:14:238 - k
02:16:123 - k(直前の1~2ノーツの色はdが望ましい)
その他の配置についても同様に修正すべきです
SV feels slightly slow overall compared to the intensity of the song. I suggest increasing the Base SV to 1.50x or 1.60x if you'd like.
You have some instances where you could add some SV changes or improve existing SV.
00:55:895 -> 01:04:123 - Add a subtle SV transition lowering the SV to represent this fade out
03:18:523 - 1.05 SV is very little for the musical intensity of this section. I suggest at least 1.15x. Additionally, I suggest adding an SV transition for the buildup here: 03:14:409 -> 03:17:152 - something like from 1x to 1.25x
03:34:980 -> 03:39:095 - Add an SV transition from 1.15x to 1x and then from 1x to 0.85x here: 03:39:095 -> 03:40:123
03:56:923 -> 03:59:666 - Add an SV transition here for the buildup from 1x to at least 1.15x.
04:03:780 - 1.08x is a bit low for the intensity, I recommend changing it to at least 1.15x. Also adjust the SV transition right before. If you apply this, then change this to 1.20x: 04:25:723
05:09:609 - lower the SV slightly and the volume to at least 70 since this section is a lot calmer compared to the rest of the song.
You have some sections that don't represent well the musical intensity of that section of the song:
00:44:923 -> 00:56:580 - This part feels undermapped when compared to the musical intensity. There are quintuplets at most. This feels very off especially when you consider that this is a kiai section.
00:22:980 -> 00:43:552 - The section right before first one is calmer but has much longer 1/4 strings. It feels off to have the more intense section be easier and the calmer section be harder.
For the first section I mentioned, I recommend adding the following notes:
For the second section, here are the notes I recommend deleting:
If you dont like the xxxx xx
and xxxx xxxx
vibem you could also do xxx xxx
and xxxxx xxx
04:25:895 -> 04:44:923 - I think it'd be very cool if this section was mapped with long streams mapped closely to the vocals to represent the vocals holding those notes for a long time and to emphasize the end of the song. Here are the notes I recommend adding to achieve this:
Delete these notes so that the stream stops at the same time as vocals and to give a break before next stream starts:
04:40:123 - this long stream could be improved to match vocals more closely as well by deleting the following notes:
HP 5 is a bit unforgiving due to the several calm sections you have in the song with few notes. I suggest 5.5 or 6 . Also maybe lowering OD to 6.5, 7 feels like a bit too high.
00:01:038 (1) より01:30:180 (34) のほうがヒットサウンドのボリュームが大きかったりして構成がめちゃくちゃなのでもう一度全体的に再調整したほうが良いと思いました
あと音が小さすぎるのでkiaiのボリュームを90まであげて、他は全体的に20くらい上げるといいです
03:40:466 (304) からのセクションは01:28:809 (33)をビルドアップしたバージョンなので、03:40:466 (304)をブレイクにするのは構成的に不自然ではないでしょうか・・・?
個人としては01:28:809 (33)と同様にノーツを置くことをお勧めします
00:09:952 k here
00:10:123 d here
00:10:295 k here
00:10:466 d here
make that note 00:09:952 a k for consistency with 00:09:266 and 00:09:609 for having the same sound, make that note 00:10:123 a d for the bass vocal, make that note a k for the alto vocal and make that note 00:10:466 a d for consistency with 00:10:638 (26,27,28)
00:16:638 d here
00:16:723 delete
as this part is quiet, you could not improvise and leave the triplets that really have sound for this like 00:14:580 (47,48,46) 00:17:323 (64,65,66) and more
00:20:066 - 00:21:609 ~ https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/19272973/e815
the pattern of the photo is interesting because it follows the drums, the kicks (I don't know if I can call them that, I'm not good at identifying instruments) and the vocals.
and the last note 00:21:609 make it a d with finisher to emphasize the crash.