DESTRUCTION 3,2,1

?? Its literally already there since like... forever

must be blind cuz I don't recall "kill" being a hyperlink hahaha

(it's also not obvious that it's the link to the bg but /shrug)

hmm both are highlighting an isolated chord, ig you want me to somehow "connect" those since its where the kick started? yea sounds doable. currently doing this on finale only but i'll update if there's an off chance this isn't working well

yea that's what i mean, just because the kicks are the most direct and recognizable rhythm in these sections

i believe i fix it. might wanna lookback to it

For Beyond :
A very simple approach: the idea is

We all know that the strongest beats in 4/4 beats are the first and third beats, and we just need to make these two beats into a jack to create the corresponding feeling. However, for the second and fourth beats, it is not necessary to do so. Pic

Of course, the second and fourth beats can also make one col jack, and the pictures are for reference only
Ex ： 00:18:637 (18637|3) - can move to col2 for pitchthing

For finale ：
I think for dongshengthing there is no need to further fix now but I find
00:17:050 - to 00:17:984 - left hand pressure max , can balance ?

yea looks good to me mostly now, will leave the rest for mapper and nominators

For beyond: It somewhat follows the idea. But 00:21:718 onward are kept because I think it risks deprecating a lot of patterns as it has more variety in the music
the side effect is that I also has to rearrange supreme's as well of that same part

finale: had to brainstorm this one uhh but i think it fixed?

since OP is cool, will resolve

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Maybe you can link some pattern which you feel not suitable please?

you would need to elaborate on that. the diffs you mentioned is arranged as NN HH where the lower NH (intermediate and advanced) does intended to follow the RC guidelines, while the upper NH (standard and hyper) is deliberately trickier but still reasonably distinct to not get confused as the higher diff.

with that said, looking back at the lower NH, i believe there could be some lax since its lower than the base BPM mentioned in RC. Some patterns also need to be slightly harder to close the gap with the diff above it. and while these gap can technically be ignored, it isn't what i had in mind when designing the whole thing. I'm also not really into changing the diffname idea when the diffspikes only account for at most just a few places.

From the Aimod and SR, it can be seen that the 3.4* Advanced and 4.05* Hyper have obviously reached the difficulty of Hard and Insane.
Although there is no mandatory prohibition of some pattern in RC, it is also stated that excessive use should be avoided to be used too much.

The following discussion will be discussed as 160bpm:
In Advanced, there are a lot of continuous 1/4, and even doubles with 1/2 intervals mixed in the switch. In the hard requirement, "the continuous 1/4 uses multiple intervals to maintain ≥1/1" "avoid placing 1/4 ≥16 in a row"
for example 00:40:018 - to 00:44:873 - ; 00:48:609 - to 00:51:595 - ; 01:57:323 - to 02:04:046 -

In Hyper, there are a lot of continuous 1/8, and in Insane requires "avoid placing ≥16 1/8 notes in a row"
for example 00:47:860 - to 00:50:101 -
01:57:323 - to 02:04:046 - I think this continuous pressure completely exceeds the acceptable requirements for appropriate use of spikes in Hyper

The standard and intermediate parts seem acceptable.

For these low diffs, I think it is not reasonable to vaguely regard some simple 1/8/or1/4 as acceptable pattern.
In addition, whether the diff name will confuse the difference between diffs cannot be supported. Raising or lowering the overall difficulty name can easily solve the problem. This simple RC clause is easy to achieved to give new players a better guide.

(in 160)

sorry, there are some questions.

1. avoid placing 1/4 ≥16 in a row

where did you get this? i am sure enough this isnt in the RC at all after scourging a couple of times. what is "16" in this context? beats? notes?

2. the continuous 1/4 uses multiple intervals to maintain ≥1/1

this isnt 1:1 from what i remember. I'm pretty sure this is the 4th bullet points on hard diff guideline

still, if u draw this from memory, you would need to confirm that it is correct before throwing it in. its imperative, so you and i can be on the same page

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advanced

out of the three sections you alluded to, the 2nd doesn't really make sense. 1/4 streams are very common thing in hard. and i dont think its that long to warrant having a 1/2 break

the other two, however, are valid. but as i alluded before, i believe the way it is arranged should be fine within the confine of RC

1. less than base BPM RC. I've said it in my previous post

2. for the sake of diff gap. reducing any of the chord might widen the gap too much with hyper which already started using double-to-single 1/4 jacks

3. matches the song's intensity. rather straightforward if you observe how those sections sounds compared with the rest of the map. the simple logic is more intensity = more notes = harder, relative to the rest of the map

4. there are some places where the RC is still fully adhered such as - 01:58:537 (118537|1,118631|0,118724|3) - which i think can be sufficient enough for a "rest moment" amidst one of the densest part of the map

there are also some minute 1/8ths during the small 3rd and 4th kiai which i also believe shouldn't hamper the experience or even constitute a spike since they are rather easy to hit

for these reasons, i am more in favor of keeping these patterns as is.

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hyper

after some musing, i tend to agree to nerf some of the streams mentioned. comparing it back again, it does feel a bit too hard. However, there will still be 1/8th around, and i dont think i will change the 2nd kiai. same reason to point 2 (gap with hyper-another) and 3 for adv above.

for now, the idea is to change some parts of 1/8ths into 1/4th jack. somewhat similar to how - 02:11:515 - is arranged. some jacks then followed by 1/8th streams. will also make some of the streams more relatively linear for the sake of readability in case it isn't already.

in conclusion, there will be changes, but not for all instances.

if you can accept the solution, i believe the diffname doesn't need to be changed and should be accurate to its historical usage on other mapsets. harder than hard but easier than insane/another

will do this on the 6th day just in case there are more who might chime in for this discussion or other diffs

I saw your discussion when playing, so I can reply to you immediately.
I think there may be some misunderstandings.

1. Regarding some RC data, I am very sorry that I referred to the Chinese version of the wiki. Some of the information in it further supplements of the general situation, which is not reflected in the English version. This is indeed not enough to serve as an explanation

2. I think there are some misunderstandings about the definition of “advanced”, or the definition you made based on some past maps is different from what I know. Is the diff of “advanced” the same level as “hard” or between “hard” and “normal”? Because “advanced” in some maps refers to the difficulty naming rules of other music games, such as sdvx etc. These non-standard difficulty names "advanced" are usually more in line with the position of “hard”. Also I find it difficult to find such a high SR “advanced” when browsing most most that use standard diff name. This is what I need to confirm.
   There is no big problem in the mapping logic, so I think it can be adjusted by only changing the difficulty name.

3. After rechecking Hyper, I think it is worth adopting the approach of appropriately weakening some sections, because after playing, I feel that the overall pressure of the two is relatively close. Spike could be partially retained, and it is more appropriate to distinguish it from Another in some other places. It is acceptable to name it Hyper around 4*

addressing 2nd point

You seem pretty adamant about connecting the diff name with SR. If experience has taught me, SR couldn't be the sole reason for determining what diff name to use. In the SDVX term, lv 12 advanced can exist, and so does a lv 10 exhaust.

one common thing i saw on rankeds when adv is used is that most of the times, a hard diff also exist, creating a seemingly 3 hard-tier diffs. adv->hard->hyper. there might be a bias on how you see it most commonly, but there should be other factors that needs to be counted. on this map, that's what I laid up on 4 points in the previous post.

now, the way i label the diffs is more liberal than what you are familiar with. i usually associate hard diff as hyper, but there are times I've associated it with adv in a case where the spread is more expansive, while hyper is designed as hard diff with some more guideline breaks. this is how it is for this map.

from the perspective of a BN, we always have judged the difficulty based on how it plays, and how it is structured relative to other difficulties in the mapset. SR should never be the cornerstone of the judgment as it could be inaccurate and subject to algorithm changes over the years. sure there are guidelines, but as mentioned, they are not to be strictly followed. if a hard-tier player can reasonably pass or even S this, that should be enough evidence that the diff matches the diffname it represents. looking at the adv's leaderboards, i saw a couple of players ranging from 100K to 70K-ish that can achieve 93% to 96%, which is about what i expected.

in a nutshell, you shouldn't base the standard of how people do it on all circumstances. some edge cases like this can and will exist. if people look at the diffname "advanced" and then think its hard diff and plays like a hard diff, then it is hard diff. therefore, it wouldn't be necessary to change its diffname.

I did not strictly correspond the difficulty to SR, but only pointed out the common use of diff names in general. Indeed, the difficulty name is not an important determining factor. I just put forward some of my understandings. It's just that the use of diff names in this set is not quoted from other games, but it deviates from the usual diff names. I can't change the idea you want to stick to, and it is acceptable in some cases for RC, so this discussion can be closed. Thanks for discussing together.
For some content that needs modifing has been proposed in other discussions and DQ has been carried out, I will close this discussion.

awmrone

yeas

i think they are just kinda interchangeable imo, although i'd understand the term "ultimate" as the final state of an entity. while "supreme" is the state of an entity that could order a collective of entities (like the term "supreme leader")

beyond is pretty much adapted from arcaea's top diff, which i think its just works to describe "something beyond imagination"(?)

other than that, i don't think there wouldnt be a lot of confusion given that i did this with the last two (kingworld and 414 per speed) and breaking the consistency now would be kinda awkward

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(as I also the only one who did this kind of diffnaming, i'd say this is just how I did my personal branding on my maps)

Makes sense

hmm chinese isnt usually used just to address nationality. its used just for the language used

else ok ig

yeas

ogey

uhhh did you find an ACTUAL 192kbps or you just convert that in audacity (or similar software)

if its the latter, then thats now how this works. this means the audio is bloated
and after checking. it is bloated

yours

mine

essentially the same but yours have 600kb more in size, which is bloated

huh markdown doesnt work? i'll just repost

https://i.imgur.com/e24GFBr.jpeg yours
https://i.imgur.com/6bVNvW1.jpeg mine

I apologize, I used Audacity for the first time and thought it would be not so bad, so I found the audio file 192 so it should be much better (new offset 23).
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1tVq2ioOQLQ4Obf1nyE3SuFJpj7JM0lfO/view?usp=sharing

thats still a fake 192 kbps sadly. the spectrum ranges just above 15khz (just like the pic i sent earlier). actual 192 would be around 19khz

you should check this for some insight before sending mp3s. converts from low kbps to high are unrankables
https://appuals.com/how-to-determine-the-true-bitrate-of-any-audio-file/

you also would need this to check those mp3 to make sure
https://www.spek.cc/

Oh, if this doesn't work, I'd better not try again.
https://drive.google.com/file/d/149b7WtOpm-V0alwHkQeJgeec7wCO9Erp/view?usp=sharing

now we're talking. this looks fine on spek. will probably use this after i reply to the mods later

pls dont use problem stamp for this. only for unrankables

but yes

Isn't metadata mandatory for rank? (rk rules: Authors of materials used in the map must be mentioned in its description). :/

people mostly used notes on the discussion. usually, thats more than enough

would be great if you point it out to actual artists rather than a wallpaper website

https://twitter.com/QUASARCAKE/status/1648411341420646400/photo/1