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 Rhythm Incarnate 1,700 posts    |
Hi all! As CTB specific difficulties are now rankable, we can continue the discussion about Rules/Guidelines here.
These are the ones crafted by Shiirn ( p/1345697 ) Catch the Beat Rankability Rules and Guidelines RulesThey may not be broken under any circumstance.
GuidelinesThey are important and should be followed in most maps. Nevertheless, they could be broken in special cases.
Hyperfruit issuesGenerally speaking, if you believe that your map might be impossible to clear, please consult a MAT or BAT or another experienced CtB player as to whether your map fits these bugs.
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Rhythm Incarnate 1,700 posts |
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To do a ctb diff which is able to became rankable is not easy, but with time and experiance it will become more easier and faster. And of course maybe the standard mappers will start to search ctb diffs too for his or her own maps, now they are just accept the taiko diffs. ._.
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 Rhythm Incarnate 6,555 posts  |
Your map must theoretically be SSable. This generally means you must be able to catch absolutely all fruits, including droplets. This ties in the previous point, but is fundamentally for different reasons.
As Zelos said before, the ryuuta's plate must catch all the fruit, and no fruit must be in off-screen, this is unrankable. |
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 Beatmap Appreciation Team 7,720 posts  |
The first 3 rules are already covered by the general rules so they're redundant, any possible CTB Skinning issues should be brought up as a general rule because they affect the whole mapset (incl. regular diffs played on CTB) not just the CTB-specific diff, the rest looks fine to me Keep going! o/
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 Rhythm Incarnate 1,612 posts  |
HakuNoKaemi wrote: Auto make a good deal sometimes too, a map which is not FCable by Auto, isn't FCable by Players. No. Autoplay don't have speed limitation in movements... The result is : Hyperfruits issues are allways catched by autoplay and never by human, and even someone catch it one random day on one random play doesn't mean it's rankable, we don't want to see maps with 1ms reaction time jumps. And if the autoplay miss, we don't need it to see if the map is FCable : In other words, when a fruit is uncatchable by autoplay you don't need to try with it, it's way too obvious (fruits on same ticks with huge spacing for example)  |
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Rhythm Incarnate 1,700 posts |
Added a rule about Autoplay to complete the SSability of a map, and another one about skinning discussed in previous threads.
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Beatmap Appreciation Team 7,720 posts |
*facepalms* that's not what i meant, if you're going to make CTB rules/guidelines make them strictly based off the positioning of hit objects in CTB-specific maps, oh and score is fine too.
Any other rules will affect the entire mapset, why? let's make an example. I make a mapset with only standard diffs and create a custom ryuuta for it without a flat plate, does the CTB rules affect it? no because there arent any CTB specific difficulties in the mapset, if you want it to affect it, it must be a general rule with it's own thread. Edit: way better now and even if they do heal the scar will remain and nothing will ever be the same |
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Rhythm Incarnate 1,700 posts |
Sakura Hana wrote: *facepalms* that's not what i meant, if you're going to make CTB rules/guidelines make them strictly based off the positioning of hit objects in CTB-specific maps, oh and score is fine too. Any other rules will affect the entire mapset, why? let's make an example. I make a mapset with only standard diffs and create a custom ryuuta for it without a flat plate, does the CTB rules affect it? no because there arent any CTB specific difficulties in the mapset, if you want it to affect it, it must be a general rule with it's own thread. Ok ok, updated OP post. Any other general rule (which affects the whole mapset) will be discussed in its own thread. MOD INFO:
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Rhythm Incarnate 3,707 posts |
Quote: No notes maybe placed closer than 1/2 to a spinner (1/2 is acceptable). This is because fruits are largely indistinguishable from spinner fruits when too close together. largely depend on how fast the fruits descend and how many fruits the spinner contains, there are situations that a 1/4 can appear distinguishable and situations a 2/1 is indistinguishable from other fruits. A more general rule would maybe ban less cases, and favorite playable cases, you will ban unplayable cases supported by the current wording too. To peoples who are in a pinch or so. You can freely request my help. I just like to hear peoples thankfulness.
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 Beatmap Appreciation Team 2,093 posts  |
^@ Maybe create a guideline instead which contains the sentences of "avoid using" and "try to"
Because this would include special cases but implies that many-fruit-spinners with barely readable true-fruits right after them are almost not readable (only if you know it inbefore). Avoid placing notes closer than 1/2 to a spinner (1/2 is acceptable) as far as possible. This is because, depending on the BPM of the song and length of the spinner self, fruits are largely indistinguishable from spinner fruits when too close together. Ангелы и демоны кружили надо мной
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Rhythm Incarnate 1,700 posts |
Loctav wrote: Avoid placing notes closer than 1/2 to a spinner (1/2 is acceptable) as far as possible. This is because, depending on the BPM of the song and length of the spinner self, fruits are largely indistinguishable from spinner fruits when too close together. Sounds nice, but added as a rule, as it's an important factor to take into account for the readability of a map. There are still some stuff to discuss about, like: how should the difficulties be named? "XXX's CTB", "XXX's CtB", "XXX's CTB Insane/Hard/...", and so on MOD INFO:
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 Rhythm Incarnate 1,369 posts |
We could mix some with Touhou ones
Lunatic = Fruitnatic Insane = Veggiesane maybe bad xD or so. It would be nice to have creative CtB diff. names/puns but if we don't come up with something cool we should stay with CtB hard/insane/easy EDIT: I don't know if EZ2CATCH has own diff. names? Maybe we could use them like Taiko does with TnT |
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