20:26 Brainpeeler: :3
20:28 Zillah: :3
20:28 Brainpeeler: i see you mapped more vocals in your ez
20:28 Brainpeeler: than in the higher diffs
20:29 Zillah: ya, rumia said 1/4 maybe too hard for beginner
20:30 Brainpeeler: the ez seems easy enough to me, but not sure if its seen as an easy by beginners
20:32 Zillah: that's why I don't know how to map EZ
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20:32 Brainpeeler: just take a look at the average skill level of people who play autoconverts >w<
20:32 Brainpeeler: they cant even handle the simple streams :v
20:33 Zillah:
20:33 Brainpeeler: anyway for the ez i dont think the vocals should be mapped per syllable
20:34 Zillah: they seem to be better at 1/4 jacks
20:34 Brainpeeler: well for some anyway
20:34 Brainpeeler: cause 4k practice >w<
20:34 Brainpeeler: also they find it easier to not switch fingers
20:34 Brainpeeler: which just feels weird to me now
20:38 Brainpeeler: some parts feel so empty ._.
20:39 Zillah: the 4k EZ?
20:40 Brainpeeler: 7k ez
20:40 Brainpeeler: did you use 7k hd as reference for 7k ez?
20:40 Zillah: yea
20:40 Brainpeeler: that explains that huge gap
20:41 Brainpeeler: someone told me before that a good diff spread prepares someone to play higher diffs by showing clues as to what the patterns will be in higher diffs
20:42 Zillah: that was what I wanted to do... but EZ now looks like a completely separated diff
20:42 Brainpeeler: yeah it feels so different from the others o.o
20:44 Zillah: ;w;
20:45 Brainpeeler: i think you should keep the phrasing of stuff like "how should i feel"(if those are the words o.o) 2 notes like you did in the other diffs for the earlier parts
20:45 Zillah: writing it down
20:46 Brainpeeler: purely suggestion
20:46 Brainpeeler:
20:47 Brainpeeler: since its an earlier part i think it should ease the fingers in
20:48 Zillah: I'm not experienced mapper, your opinion would help alot in making it a better map<3
20:48 Brainpeeler: im not experienced either o3o
20:48 Brainpeeler: but i play a lot >w<
20:51 Zillah:
gonna download o2jam for more 7K specific songs
20:51 Brainpeeler: o.o
20:52 Brainpeeler: the actual or just for osu conversion?
20:53 Zillah: maybe a private server
20:54 Brainpeeler: the speed changes
20:54 Brainpeeler: a bit too much for a beginner x.x
20:55 Brainpeeler: not all of them though
20:55 Zillah: I'll soften them ;w;
20:55 Brainpeeler: and there was one speed change that doesnt look right
20:55 Brainpeeler: its too unreadable
20:55 Brainpeeler: *looks for it again*
20:56 Zillah: can you send me the time tag?
20:56 Brainpeeler: 01:01:275
20:56 Brainpeeler: err
20:56 Brainpeeler: dunno how to tag lol
20:56 Brainpeeler: i just click copypaste
20:56 Zillah: its okay
20:57 Brainpeeler: it makes the hold look waaaayy too short
20:58 Brainpeeler: for that part i suggest putting a x1.25 or x1 on the 1/2 after it
20:58 Brainpeeler: if youre going for the long effect
20:58 Brainpeeler: *tries it out first*
21:00 Zillah: I put a 1.25 at 01:01:489
21:00 Zillah: hum
21:00 Brainpeeler: this is just suggestion, if the effect doesnt appeal then just scrap it o2o
21:01 Brainpeeler: o3o*
21:02 Zillah: It seems if I put a 1.25 in the middle, the LN end very fast
21:03 Brainpeeler: hmmm...
21:03 Brainpeeler: you want it to slowly reach the end??
21:03 Zillah: gameplay wise, I can't 300 that LN end orz
21:04 Brainpeeler: well the player is expected to release the ln at the same time they hit the middle key o3o
21:04 Brainpeeler: so the ln end shouldnt be much of a problem here
21:05 Zillah: ok
21:06 Brainpeeler: anyway if you dont like the speed how about removing the sv at the 1/2 and just increasing the speed of the 0.1??
21:07 Brainpeeler: the 0.1x makes the hold seem way too short
21:08 Brainpeeler: also you have some sudden speed changes that stay fast while notes still need to be pressed
21:08 Brainpeeler: pretty hard for an easy
21:08 Brainpeeler: like at 01:21:847
21:08 Zillah: sorry I think I changed something, where is the 0.1x you're saying?
21:09 Brainpeeler: 01:01:275 this one o3o
21:09 Brainpeeler: it linked wut
21:09 Zillah: lol
21:10 Brainpeeler: if you play from that point, you would quick press the hold on first try
21:10 Brainpeeler: no clue at all that its long
21:12 Zillah: I changed 01:01:275 to 0.5, 01:01:489 to 1.2, then LN end 1.0
21:12 Zillah: ;w; why you link the whole thing osu
21:13 Brainpeeler: osu likes teh links
21:14 Brainpeeler: feels more readable now o3o
21:17 Brainpeeler: errr can i ask what the sv changes from 2:01:704 - 2:02:882 are for??
21:19 Brainpeeler: i mean 2:01:704 - 2:02:775
21:20 Brainpeeler: its the same effect if you remove the sv before the x4
21:21 Zillah: was experimenting o.o
21:22 Brainpeeler: you were probably trying to make the scroll speed look all funky and stuff
21:22 Brainpeeler: that only works when theres a white line >w<
21:22 Zillah: ya lol
21:22 Brainpeeler: strong beat white line
21:23 Brainpeeler: you can cheat in white lines by putting uninherited timing points, but then that would make it unrankable
21:23 Zillah: since there's no note in between, before 10x can be removed
21:24 Brainpeeler: i checked out a ranked ez to see how to map an ez for my map, it only has 2 instances of having more than 1 note per row
21:24 Zillah: "You can't use uninherited timing sections when there is no actual BPM changes."
21:24 Zillah: really.. then the map will look really empty
21:25 Brainpeeler: yeah, you dont have to follow that o3o
21:25 Brainpeeler: id think itd look empty too lol
21:26 Brainpeeler: something to consider for easy is that players usually have trouble with things in the middle, 1st and last lanes
21:26 Zillah: you mean 7K ?
21:27 Brainpeeler: yeah
21:27 Brainpeeler: 4k go all out
21:27 Brainpeeler: lol
21:27 Zillah: I'll ask my roommate to let me watch her playing a EZ map ;w;
21:29 Brainpeeler: 2:23:989 this part feels inconsistent with the following parts that have the same sound mapped
21:30 Brainpeeler: 02:27:418 and onwards you mapped it from beat to beat
21:33 Zillah: I replaced the LN in HD to 2 seperated note in EZ
21:34 Zillah: should I keep the LN instead?
21:35 Brainpeeler: looking at the hd again*
21:35 Brainpeeler: if its not too complicated keep the ln i suppose
21:36 Zillah: I know I shouldn't over note the vocal, but there isn't too many sound I can put a note on EZ ;w;
21:37 Brainpeeler: i just meant the ln for that wub wub part
21:37 Brainpeeler: thats 2:23:989 2:27:418 2:34:275
21:37 Brainpeeler: you dont have to follow the notes exactly
21:37 Brainpeeler: an instrument*
21:37 Brainpeeler: you can make patterns that just tap to the rhythm :3
21:38 Brainpeeler: like, half map the instrument, then ignore instrument and keep the vocal
21:38 Brainpeeler: then switch back
21:40 Brainpeeler: also i dont think you should add ghost notes in easy just yet
21:40 Zillah: what is a ghost note?
21:41 Brainpeeler: a note you place cause it makes sense, but it doesnt really come out in the song
21:41 Zillah: oh
21:42 Brainpeeler: 30:847 - 32:132
21:42 Brainpeeler: like that
21:46 Brainpeeler: right now im just listening for stuff that you might consider emphasizing
21:47 Zillah: I have been puting 2 notes on snare drum
21:48 Brainpeeler: 1:56:989 is 2 notes and 1:57:418 is 1 note yet the 2 notes i can only hear vocals and the 1 note sounds really strong
21:49 Brainpeeler: 2:11:347 i dont even hear a sound at all :<
21:50 Brainpeeler: unless you meant to map the "sh-"
21:50 Zillah: it is bad lol?
21:50 Brainpeeler: it just doesnt feel like a solid rhythm
21:51 Brainpeeler: but no not bad at all lol
21:51 Zillah: ok
21:51 Brainpeeler: its fine though
21:51 Zillah: I'm putting jacks from 2:13275 ._.
21:51 Zillah: 2:13:275 ._.
21:52 Zillah: 2:13:704*
21:52 Brainpeeler: if its for easy, its not really jacks
21:53 Zillah: ahhhhh
21:53 Zillah: 1/4 seems very hard to beginner
21:53 Brainpeeler:
http://osu.ppy.sh/ss/106741221:54 Brainpeeler: just dont make the really fast one jacks >w<
21:54 Brainpeeler: that pattern is easy for beginners since its just one finger but not too fast
21:54 Zillah: I'd totally miss the whole bar lol
21:55 Brainpeeler: its just 8 taps on one finger
21:55 Brainpeeler: medium speed taps
21:55 Zillah: yeah I think I should not use jack from 2:15:418
21:56 Brainpeeler: there should be some point in the difficulty thats a wee bit harder than the rest of the song
21:56 Zillah: but the current notes look very weird
21:57 Brainpeeler: i was thinking something like this
21:57 Brainpeeler:
http://osu.ppy.sh/ss/106742021:58 Brainpeeler: since you already used a triple like that in a later part
21:58 Zillah: why skip the blue line?
21:59 Brainpeeler: continuous streams are hard for beginners
21:59 Zillah: ah
21:59 Zillah: you're right
22:00 Brainpeeler: this way they're still in the groove of the jacks but play it like triples as if it were standard mode /.\
22:01 Brainpeeler: also its in the middle so no hand imbalance
22:01 Brainpeeler: though the middle note might be a problem, but it sounds like it should be a challenging part anyway >2<
22:01 Brainpeeler: >w<*
22:02 Zillah: Brain you're a genius!
22:02 Brainpeeler: nawww >///<
22:04 Brainpeeler: i think the main problem of the ez is more on the speed changes
22:05 Zillah: should I soften it or just delete them?
22:05 Brainpeeler: some can be kept for effect but i think you should take out the extremely sudden ones
22:05 Brainpeeler: or soften them at least
22:06 Zillah: ok :3
22:11 Zillah: reuploaded
22:11 Brainpeeler: updating,,,,
22:11 Brainpeeler: o.o
22:12 Brainpeeler: it become not submitted
22:12 Brainpeeler: wuuut
22:12 Zillah: D:
22:13 Brainpeeler: ooooh its cause it was renamed
22:13 Brainpeeler: gonna have to redl
22:13 Zillah: :O
22:13 Zillah: ah
22:13 Brainpeeler: dat slow speed ;w;
22:14 Zillah: take your time to have a break >_<
22:14 Brainpeeler: i didnt do much for your map so i dun need a break :3
22:15 Brainpeeler: time for the waiting game *twiddles thumbs*
22:16 Brainpeeler: looking at the thread, problem with the easies is that they're just the hards with notes taken out
22:17 Brainpeeler: being an easy, i think the mapped parts should be the most apparent rhythm
22:23 Zillah: sorry I suddenly have something urgent, I'll keep online but afk for awhile
22:23 Brainpeeler: ok
22:45 Zillah: if I redesign EZ again it'll look completely different from NM...
22:47 Brainpeeler: its fine for it to not look the same as the other diffs o3o
22:47 Brainpeeler: but the things mapped should not completely differ
22:48 Zillah: is it okay if the patterns are not similar?
22:48 Brainpeeler: yea
22:48 Zillah: *facepalm*
22:48 Brainpeeler: in hard and above you usually put in real patterns, and in easier the fully pitch relevant simple patterns
22:49 Brainpeeler: you can check out my latest uploaded map to see how much my easy differs from my insane
22:49 Brainpeeler: im by no means a good mapper but it might give you an idea
22:49 Zillah: will do
22:50 Zillah: I'mma check NM first
23:19 Brainpeeler: oh renaming the diff then updating works
23:20 Zillah: you mean renaming by yourself then it works?
23:20 Brainpeeler: yeah
23:20 Brainpeeler: renaming the diff then it lets me update
23:20 Zillah: interesting XD
23:22 Brainpeeler: speedup at 1:21:847 still a bit awkward >w<
23:23 Brainpeeler: its fine, but im looking at the map with the eyes of a newbie
23:27 Zillah: changed to .8, .85, .9, .95, 1.0
23:27 Zillah: feels better, not sure if it actually is better or not
23:28 Brainpeeler: o theres a speed change at around 2:33:418 thats okay but i wanna suggest something
23:28 Zillah: yes?
23:29 Brainpeeler: the x1 at 2:34:275, try moving it to 2:34:061
23:30 Zillah: do you think it's easier to read?
23:30 Brainpeeler: its the same for me either way
23:31 Zillah: visually I don't see the difference
23:31 Zillah: can't actually play it cause my roommate is sleeping ;w;
23:31 Brainpeeler: with the x1 right on the note, the hold is really close to the judgment line, causing the player to mash that lane
23:32 Brainpeeler: with the x1 slightly farther, the player might mash but will quickly realize that its still coming
23:32 Zillah: then wouldn't it be even higher to get it accurately?
23:32 Brainpeeler: with the slower?
23:32 Brainpeeler: possibly
23:32 Zillah: ah
23:33 Zillah: nvm I read it wrong
23:33 Brainpeeler: with the x1 on the hold itself it probably could increase accuracy for the initial press
23:33 Brainpeeler: but with a newbie's reaction time, the speed change might be a little sudden
23:33 Zillah: that's what I'm thinking
23:34 Zillah: sounds logical
23:35 Brainpeeler: this is the only sv ive found so far with that kind of effect so ill look for some that feel really sudden
23:36 Brainpeeler: that jump at 3:12:847
23:36 Zillah: I'll probably soften the SV of EZ and NM from 0:40-1:50
23:36 Brainpeeler: even i couldnt read it >w<
23:37 Brainpeeler: the speedup is a little fast but not too sudden; the problem is with the major slowdown right after the first note hit
23:38 Zillah: how about 1.2 0.6 1?
23:39 Zillah: ;w; tbh I didn't even notice the SV
23:39 Brainpeeler: a bit more readable... but i already expected an sv there so the only way to test is with someone who hasnt played it before /.\
23:40 Zillah: nvm... I'll soften it more
23:40 Brainpeeler: actually you could just remove those 3 sv if you wanted
23:40 Brainpeeler: its end song anyway
23:40 Zillah: ^
23:41 Zillah: thats a better idea
23:44 Brainpeeler: o this part at 2:42:847
23:44 Brainpeeler: holding lane 6 and placing notes in lane 7 is not beginner friendly
23:45 Zillah: changed already B-)
23:46 Zillah: wait
23:46 Zillah: ok I'll flip it to left hand
23:47 Zillah: how about 2:58:061?
23:48 Brainpeeler: whats there???
23:48 Brainpeeler: hold1 press 3,5?
23:48 Zillah: yes
23:49 Brainpeeler: it feels like it fits with the structure of the song o3o
23:50 Brainpeeler: if you want it to feel more beginner friendly there, you could make the double go on right hand so the left hand is only doing the hold
23:51 Zillah: sounds good
23:53 Brainpeeler: 00:35:775 a 1/2 [57] 6
23:53 Brainpeeler: even i have trouble doing [57] 6 or [13] 2
23:53 Brainpeeler: with newbie's this would be really hard
23:54 Brainpeeler: newbies*
23:55 Zillah:
http://osu.ppy.sh/ss/106763323:56 Brainpeeler: you removed 2 notes??
23:56 Zillah: ya
23:57 Brainpeeler: maybe you could keep the middle note since that part sounds strong
23:57 Brainpeeler: but if it conflicts with another diff then nvm
23:59 Zillah: but as you said 57 > 6 is quite hard
23:59 Brainpeeler: i meant the yellow note on the first one o3o
00:00 Brainpeeler: initially it was [13] [57] [26]
00:00 Brainpeeler: p14[*
00:00 Brainpeeler: [14]*
00:00 Zillah: change to 14 47 26?
00:00 Zillah: or 14 7 26?
00:00 Brainpeeler: yeah that
00:01 Brainpeeler: but if its too different from your other difficulties then disregard
00:01 Brainpeeler: this is one part that should be either easier than the other diffs or the same
00:02 Zillah: as you see the right side (HD) is full LN there
00:02 Zillah: somehow NM has a simpler pattern lol
00:03 Brainpeeler: nm should be where you introduce tricky yet simple patterns
00:03 Brainpeeler: and in hard where you get a little bit evil
00:04 Brainpeeler: but reasonable
00:04 Zillah: like 1/4 stairs?
00:04 Brainpeeler: yeah
00:04 Brainpeeler: but not full stream
00:04 Zillah: 123 765?
00:04 Brainpeeler: thats fine
00:04 Zillah: good
00:05 Brainpeeler: official o2jam normals would never be accepted as "normals" here
00:05 Zillah: o2jam nm is about lv 12-20...
00:05 Brainpeeler: which is the level of a lot of ranked insanes
00:05 Zillah: and I actually thought I should make NM as lv 15..
00:06 Brainpeeler: you could do that
00:06 Brainpeeler: but the rule of having a 3star difficulty is still there
00:06 Zillah: but then EZ is like what...lv.5
00:06 Zillah: orz that kinda torture me
00:06 Brainpeeler: that would result in a huge gap from easy to normal, causing the BAT to request a midway diff
00:07 Zillah: NM to HD is a huge gap /_\
00:07 Brainpeeler: gap from hard to insane is allowed to be really big
00:07 Brainpeeler: but not way too big
00:08 Brainpeeler: when someone can pass normal with ease, they should be able to pass the hard mode if they put extra effort into it
00:08 Zillah: ez 837note nm 1156note hd 1804 note...
00:08 Zillah: I'm gonna bang some wall now
00:08 Brainpeeler: note count doesnt matter too much if the patterns are fine
00:09 Brainpeeler: you could add a few notes to normal just to raise the note count
00:09 Zillah: there's a lot more LN in HD
00:09 Zillah: ^^
00:10 Brainpeeler: take a look at ranked map conflict. ez 492 notes nm 965 notes hd 1207 notes collab 1972 notes
00:11 Zillah: collab is madness
00:11 Brainpeeler: there are a few unreadables
00:11 Brainpeeler: but it got ranked cause they can be read
00:11 Brainpeeler: after the first few tries ;;
00:11 Zillah: HD is around 22-24 collab feels like 32
00:12 Brainpeeler: the hard ->insane gap can be huge
00:12 Zillah: ;w;
00:12 Brainpeeler: but the nm -> hd should be just right
00:13 Brainpeeler: ez -> nm can be huge but only note-wise, not pattern-wise
00:13 Zillah: since I don't have an insane diff, I should put more notes on NM
00:15 Brainpeeler: osu crashed ;;
00:16 Zillah: thank god mine didn't crash... I haven't finish taking note
00:16 Zillah: orz
00:22 Zillah: do the SVs from 0:40 to 1:50 still look sudden?
00:23 Brainpeeler: checking
00:25 Brainpeeler: theyre not sudden, but some are really awkward by effect
00:27 Zillah:
http://mrwgifs.com/wp-content/uploads/2 ... me-Gif.gif00:27 Brainpeeler: the part at 1:08:989
00:27 Brainpeeler: ehrmagherd its moving
00:27 Zillah: hahaha
00:32 Zillah: the 353?
00:32 Brainpeeler: 353???
00:33 Zillah: colume 3 5 3l
00:54 Zillah: internet died ;w;
00:55 Zillah: using mobile internet to say this, thank you so much for your help >_< I really appreciate it
00:55 Brainpeeler: glitch
00:55 Brainpeeler: hard to type lol
00:56 Brainpeeler: oh its fine no
00:56 Brainpeeler: w
00:56 Brainpeeler: anyway np >w<
00:56 Brainpeeler: i didnt help much tho
00:56 Zillah: please leave a comment on the thread so at least I can give you a kudosu ;w;
00:56 Zillah: are you serious
00:56 Brainpeeler: what kind of comment??
00:56 Zillah: you spent 4 hours helping me
00:57 Zillah: irc mod or something like that
00:57 Brainpeeler: if thats even acceptable.. ok
00:57 Brainpeeler: posting i guess
00:59 Brainpeeler: wonder if i have the log
01:00 Brainpeeler: i dun think i have the log o3o
01:00 Zillah: I took a screenshot so if anyone have problem with me giving kudosu to you, I'mma post the screenshot on the person's face
01:01 Brainpeeler: so i just post irc mod? o3o
01:01 Zillah: ya
01:01 Brainpeeler: feels weird doing that ~~
01:02 Zillah: pwease~~~
01:02 Brainpeeler: i just post IRC mod ok
01:02 Zillah: ya :3
01:03 Brainpeeler: hmm it would be better if i at least stated some things i changed
01:03 Brainpeeler: that you changed
01:04 Brainpeeler: oh /savelog
01:04 Brainpeeler: do you still have the conversation from a few hrs ago??
01:04 Brainpeeler: in this chatbox
01:05 Zillah:
http://osu.ppy.sh/ss/106776701:05 Brainpeeler: just /savelog it and send to me so i can post that
01:06 Zillah: D:
01:06 Zillah: I can do that?
