22:17 Naotoshi: \o
22:19 Shiratoi: o7
22:21 Naotoshi: do u have some free time to talk about our lord and savior intro rhythms
22:21 Shiratoi: yes i do
22:23 Naotoshi: so
22:23 *Naotoshi is editing [https://osu.ppy.sh/b/1205694 soraru - Tsumi no Namae [The Malicious Goddess of Fate and the Blooming White Lily]]
22:23 Naotoshi: 00:36:758 (1) - starting here, what instrument are you following
22:23 Shiratoi: vocals
22:24 Naotoshi: 00:37:456 (3) -
22:24 Naotoshi: what is this following
22:24 Shiratoi: insturments ?_?
22:24 Shiratoi: since there isnt a vocal to follow
22:24 Naotoshi: 00:37:282 -
22:25 Naotoshi: the vocal starts here
22:25 Naotoshi: and since you mapped the previous vocal as a slider, it makes more sense to hold out this vocal too
22:26 Naotoshi: yes/no
22:26 Naotoshi: ?
22:26 Shiratoi: yes
22:26 Shiratoi: https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/8290937
22:27 Shiratoi: 00:38:677 - same thing applies here i guess?
22:27 Naotoshi: 00:37:805 (3) - what's this following
22:27 Shiratoi: bg noise
22:28 Shiratoi: kind of contradicting, but isnt it okay since the spacing is pretty low
22:28 Shiratoi: compared to everything else
22:28 Shiratoi: i feel like ending the slider on the white tick would be to extended
22:28 Naotoshi: why not just leave a 1/1 gap?
22:28 Naotoshi: the vocals, which you're following, aren't playing there
22:29 Naotoshi: so having a click is contradictory to following the vocals
22:29 Shiratoi: o tru
22:30 Naotoshi: 00:38:851 (3,4) - what are these following?
22:31 Shiratoi: ye fixed that one
22:31 Naotoshi: what'd you change it to?
22:31 Naotoshi: cuz here, i'd suggest just 00:38:677 (2,3,4) - slider slider circle
22:31 Naotoshi: for something varying i guess
22:32 Shiratoi: same rhythm as the first one
22:32 Shiratoi: oh wa
22:32 Naotoshi: hm
22:32 Naotoshi: well, that works too
22:32 Naotoshi: 00:41:293 (2) - what is this following?
22:32 Shiratoi: fix fix
22:32 Naotoshi: 00:42:165 (4,1) -
22:33 Shiratoi: 00:42:340 - i think up to here
22:33 Shiratoi: is where vocal change > instrument
22:33 Naotoshi: kk
22:33 Naotoshi: 00:42:165 (4,1) - how about ctrl g here then
22:34 Naotoshi: then you don't have a flute on the slider end
22:35 Shiratoi: but then i feel like the downbeat would lose its emphasis
22:35 Naotoshi: what instrument are you following?
22:35 Shiratoi: flute
22:36 Naotoshi: 00:42:340 - is there a flute sound here?
22:36 Shiratoi: yes
22:36 Naotoshi: wot
22:36 Naotoshi: no there isnt
22:36 Shiratoi: wat
22:36 Naotoshi: 00:42:514 - it starts here
22:36 Shiratoi: er
22:36 Shiratoi: that high pitch
22:36 Shiratoi: noise
22:36 Naotoshi: thats a sleigh bell
22:37 Shiratoi: ahha
22:37 Naotoshi: the flute is doing the same 2 measure rhythm that it repeats for the entire song
22:38 Shiratoi: ctrl+g i guess
22:38 Naotoshi: https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/8290982
22:38 Naotoshi: this rhythm is there for the entire song in the flute
22:38 Naotoshi: with the gaps being held out notes
22:39 Shiratoi: o
22:39 Naotoshi: 00:44:433 (3) - what is this following?
22:40 Shiratoi: ✓
22:40 Naotoshi: 00:43:735 (1,2) - these are the same sound, right?
22:40 Shiratoi: yes
22:41 Naotoshi: so, map it same way plz
22:41 Naotoshi: or rather
22:41 Shiratoi: no but
22:41 Naotoshi: 00:44:258 (2,3,4) -
22:41 Shiratoi: there is a sound 00:44:433 -
22:41 Naotoshi: just ctrl g this whole thing
22:41 Naotoshi: yeah
22:41 Naotoshi: there is a sound on it
22:41 Naotoshi: but is it a flute?
22:42 Shiratoi: i feel like im becoming a whole new person
22:43 Naotoshi: lol
22:43 Shiratoi: ctrl+gd
22:46 Naotoshi: 00:44:956 (4,1,2,3,4) - this part was a bit weird too
22:46 Naotoshi: 00:46:002 (5,6,1,2,3) - here on it follows the flute
22:47 Naotoshi: but before that its kind of unclear
22:47 Naotoshi: and since it's a different instrument, using the same pattern for 00:45:130 (1,2,3,4) - as 00:46:002 (5,6) - doesn't really make that much sense to me
22:48 Shiratoi: its different instruments, but the actual rhythm is still the same imo
22:49 Naotoshi: mm
22:49 Naotoshi: okay
22:49 Naotoshi: 00:54:723 - wanna mute this slider end
22:51 Shiratoi: tea
22:51 Shiratoi: yea
22:52 Naotoshi: sec
22:52 Naotoshi: listening to a reading of my immortal
22:52 Shiratoi: ??__??
22:52 Naotoshi: r u in loctav's discord
22:52 Shiratoi: nop
22:52 Naotoshi: oh you arent
22:52 Naotoshi: well basically theres a bunch of people
22:52 Naotoshi: in voice
22:53 Naotoshi: reading my immortal
22:53 Naotoshi: http://myimmortal.wikia.com/wiki/My_Immortal/Chapters_1-11
22:53 Shiratoi: what the shit
22:53 Shiratoi: LOL?
22:53 Naotoshi: this is art
22:53 Naotoshi: no hate
22:54 Naotoshi: http://puu.sh/wdZdQ/8373f2524f.jpg
22:54 Naotoshi: all these lovely community members
22:54 Naotoshi: united by this art
22:54 Shiratoi: de fak
22:54 Shiratoi: reading about satanism
22:54 Shiratoi: ???
22:55 Naotoshi: its really funny
22:55 Shiratoi: im sure it is
23:16 Naotoshi: alright
23:16 Naotoshi: got some more free time?
23:17 Shiratoi: yaya
23:17 *Naotoshi is editing [https://osu.ppy.sh/b/1205694 soraru - Tsumi no Namae [The Malicious Goddess of Fate and the Blooming White Lily]]
23:17 Naotoshi: Dumbledore had constipated the cideo camera they took of me naked
23:17 Naotoshi: er
23:17 Naotoshi: what
23:17 Naotoshi: v
23:17 Naotoshi: .
23:17 Naotoshi: 01:17:572 (3,4,5) -
23:17 Naotoshi: this thing isnt lined up
23:18 Shiratoi: ???
23:18 Naotoshi: its not lined up
23:18 Naotoshi: like
23:18 Naotoshi: visually
23:18 Shiratoi: to the note?
23:18 Naotoshi: if you draw a line from 2 to 3
23:18 Naotoshi: it doesnt line up with 4
23:19 Naotoshi: ok nvm
23:19 Naotoshi: 01:00:130 -
23:19 Naotoshi: in this part
23:20 Naotoshi: it seems like you made patterns based on the vocals
23:20 Naotoshi: but tried your hardest to not actually map the vocals
23:22 Shiratoi: ???
23:23 Naotoshi: 01:00:479 -
23:23 Naotoshi: what instrument do these follow
23:23 Shiratoi: i have no idea
23:23 Shiratoi: what instrument that is
23:24 Naotoshi: drums
23:24 Naotoshi: or whateever
23:24 Naotoshi: right?
23:24 Shiratoi: yes
23:24 Shiratoi: yea
23:24 Naotoshi: 01:01:875 (1) -
23:24 Naotoshi: what do these follow
23:25 Shiratoi: oh
23:25 Shiratoi: ..
23:25 Naotoshi: anyway i think you should just follow the vocals the entire time
23:25 Naotoshi: but that's doxastic
23:26 Shiratoi: this is difficult
23:27 Naotoshi: well, you don't need to follow the vocals
23:28 Naotoshi: monstrata for example followed the drums + flute
23:28 Naotoshi: syph tried to follow the vocals but just filled the entire thing with shitty ass circle spam
23:28 Naotoshi: cuz thats how he maps
23:28 Naotoshi: lasse stuck in a shit ton of overmapped triples
23:29 Naotoshi: but more or less followed the vocals
23:29 Naotoshi: except for this stupid deathstream
23:29 Naotoshi: but all of them basically stick to one layer
23:29 Naotoshi: which is what you have to do too
23:29 Shiratoi: uh huh
23:30 Naotoshi: lol lasse missed a clap
23:36 *Shiratoi is editing [https://osu.ppy.sh/b/1205694 soraru - Tsumi no Namae [The Malicious Goddess of Fate and the Blooming White Lily]]
23:36 Shiratoi: better?
23:36 Naotoshi: ya
23:37 Naotoshi: good job
23:37 Naotoshi: 01:07:456 (1,2,3) - visual spacing plz
23:37 Shiratoi: !!
23:38 Shiratoi: but the ds
23:38 Naotoshi: o right
23:38 Naotoshi: do you not know what visual spacing i mean
23:38 Naotoshi: cuz it seemed that way
23:38 Shiratoi: yea
23:38 Shiratoi: not exactly sure
23:38 Naotoshi: basically
23:38 Naotoshi: the distance between the slider bodies
23:38 Naotoshi: not the cursor distance just how big of a gap there is
23:38 Naotoshi: in between the blanket
23:39 Naotoshi: http://puu.sh/we1dF/a720945f12.jpg vs http://puu.sh/we1ed/9d1ba27d12.jpg
23:39 Naotoshi: small and big visual spacing
23:40 Shiratoi: i see
23:40 Naotoshi: the entire point of hexgrid is to get nice visual spacing everywhere
23:40 Naotoshi: so it looks weird af when theres patterns without it
23:41 Shiratoi: https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/8291194
23:41 Shiratoi: so would sth like that
23:41 Shiratoi: be better?
23:41 Naotoshi: uh
23:41 Naotoshi: yea
23:42 Naotoshi: 01:15:130 (5,6) -
23:42 Naotoshi: what do these follow
23:43 Shiratoi: o
23:43 Shiratoi: 03:39:549 (1,2,3) - fixed this one then
23:43 Naotoshi: k
23:43 Shiratoi: vocals
23:43 Naotoshi: 01:15:654 - vocal 01:15:828 - no vocal 01:16:002 - vocal
23:44 Naotoshi: your clicks are backwards
23:44 Shiratoi: o
23:44 Shiratoi: fix
23:44 Naotoshi: howd u fix o.o
23:45 Shiratoi: 01:15:828 (1) - change this to 2 circles
23:45 Shiratoi: ?_?
23:45 Shiratoi: wait not that
23:45 Shiratoi: 01:15:479 (6) -
23:45 Naotoshi: https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/8291208 try a rhythm like this
23:45 Naotoshi: 01:15:828 - making this downbeat clickable
23:45 Naotoshi: kinda fucks up the vocal focus
23:45 Naotoshi: cuz it isnt actually a vocal
23:46 Shiratoi: oki
23:46 Naotoshi: 01:17:572 (3,4,5,6,7,8) - what are these following
23:48 Shiratoi: bg noise
23:48 Naotoshi: hm
23:49 Naotoshi: personally, i think following the flute there is a bit better than random background triples
23:49 Naotoshi: but that isnt smething that is necessary to change
23:49 Naotoshi: just, stuff like 01:18:270 (9,10,11,1) - is following flute
23:49 Naotoshi: so you're basically switching to triples for 1 measure out of the blue o.o
23:50 Naotoshi: well, whatever
23:50 Naotoshi: 01:17:572 (3,4,5) - can you line this up with 2 a bit better
23:50 Shiratoi: yes i can
23:51 Naotoshi: 01:54:898 (1,2,3) - visual spacing plz
23:52 Shiratoi: b
23:52 Naotoshi: wot
23:52 Shiratoi: fix fix
23:52 Naotoshi: k
23:53 Naotoshi: 01:57:689 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8) - did i already complain about this rhythm
23:53 Shiratoi: yes you did
23:53 Naotoshi: ok im gonna complain about it again
23:53 Naotoshi: there's a pretty clear flute rhythm there
23:53 Naotoshi: the 1/2 spam completely ignores it
23:54 Shiratoi: 01:57:689 (1,2,5,6) - change to sliders?
23:54 Naotoshi: 2 and 6, yeah
23:54 Naotoshi: then you have clicks on the flute notes
23:55 Naotoshi: also i think if you follow the flute it could be nice right after too
23:55 Naotoshi: 01:59:346 - circle
23:56 Naotoshi: and circle
23:56 Naotoshi: 02:00:392 -
23:56 Naotoshi: up to you
23:56 Naotoshi: 02:06:584 (2,3,4,5,6,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,1,2,3,4,5,6,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,1) - this jump section doesnt really make that much sense cuz the spacing doesnt increase by much
23:56 Naotoshi: would be nice to have more contrast imo
23:57 Naotoshi: also the fact that the last note is not in the hexgrid tilts me
23:59 Naotoshi: well i basically said everything about each section
23:59 Naotoshi: 02:33:968 - has the same issue that 00:36:758 - had
00:00 Shiratoi: ye
00:00 Shiratoi: ill go check through it
00:00 Naotoshi: 02:40:944 - but starting here it gets good, so good job there
00:02 Naotoshi: 03:43:735 (1,2) - same thing with the jump ection at 1:55 or w/e
00:02 Naotoshi: 03:52:805 (3) - making stuff like these into 2 circles could be cool to follow the vocal a bit better since 2 clicks for 2 syllables
00:03 Naotoshi: like at 03:59:433 (2,3) -
00:04 Naotoshi: 04:46:001 (3) - doesnt really follow anything
00:04 Naotoshi: 05:24:200 (1,2) - imo would be better as a 1/2 slider circle 1/2 slider triple rhythm
00:05 Naotoshi: and then whenever you finish all that we can talk about 05:36:409 (2,3,4,5,1) -
00:06 Naotoshi: everything else is great
00:10 Shiratoi: okaaay
00:10 Shiratoi: 05:24:200 (1,2) - i think this is fine
00:10 Shiratoi: since 05:24:200 - the sound here
00:11 Shiratoi: is quite extended and stops at the white tick
00:11 Naotoshi: kk
00:11 Shiratoi: but making the white tick clickable bc vocal
00:11 Shiratoi: fixed everything else
00:11 Naotoshi: kk
00:12 Naotoshi: 05:36:409 (2,3,4,5,1) - this thing
00:12 Naotoshi: this is the kind of thing that gets maps dq'd
00:12 Shiratoi: wha
00:12 Naotoshi: so
00:12 Naotoshi: you never introduce 1/4 jumps out of streams
00:12 Naotoshi: in the 5:30 leading up to this
00:13 Naotoshi: so its unexpected diff spike
00:13 Naotoshi: if you wanted to emphasize 1, better way to do it would just be a higher spacing stream
00:17 Shiratoi: https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/8291340
00:18 Shiratoi: gradual spacing increase okay?
00:18 Naotoshi: sure
00:19 *Shiratoi is editing [https://osu.ppy.sh/b/1205694 soraru - Tsumi no Namae [The Malicious Goddess of Fate and the Blooming White Lily]]
00:19 Shiratoi: okkkkkkie
00:20 Naotoshi: 02:06:584 (2,3,4,5,6,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8) -
00:20 Naotoshi: this has even less contrast now -_
00:21 Shiratoi: for the aesthetic
00:21 Shiratoi: ??_?
00:21 Naotoshi: you'd want t increase the spacing where the pitch of the vocals goes up
00:21 Naotoshi: 02:08:328 -
00:21 Naotoshi: 02:08:851 -
00:21 Naotoshi: there
00:21 Naotoshi: hm
00:21 Naotoshi: ok nv,
00:21 Naotoshi: its okay
00:22 Naotoshi: it just al looks the same cuz of hexgrid
00:22 Shiratoi: ah
00:22 Naotoshi: 02:10:247 (1,2,3) -
00:22 Naotoshi: this one is weird
00:22 Naotoshi: cuz all the other ones are sharp angles
00:22 Shiratoi: 02:07:107 (5,3) -
00:22 Shiratoi: moved to there
00:24 Shiratoi: 02:22:718 (1) - 1/8 snap better?
00:24 Naotoshi: wot
00:24 Naotoshi: dunno
00:24 Naotoshi: sounds like 1/8th then 1/4
00:25 Shiratoi: change to 1/8 to have downbeat as last beat
00:25 Shiratoi: ee
00:25 Naotoshi: but theres a sund on the blue tick too
00:25 Naotoshi: like an echo
00:26 Naotoshi: idk
00:26 Naotoshi: 1/8th is fine
00:26 Shiratoi: i have no idea
00:26 Naotoshi: 02:33:968 (1,2) -
00:26 Naotoshi: this is unrankable
00:26 Naotoshi: the blanket is off
00:26 Shiratoi: shiet
00:27 Naotoshi: 03:00:479 -
00:27 Naotoshi: the one place that cheering hitsound would actually fit
00:27 Naotoshi: ;w;
00:27 Shiratoi: wat
00:27 Shiratoi: ???
00:27 Naotoshi: 03:00:479 -
00:27 Naotoshi: listen to the left side
00:27 Naotoshi: theres cheering
00:28 Shiratoi: yea
00:28 Shiratoi: oh
00:28 Shiratoi: the hitsound from
00:28 Shiratoi: that ooi
00:28 Naotoshi: ONII-CHAN
00:28 Naotoshi: does ooi have cheering
00:28 Shiratoi: LOL
00:29 Naotoshi: i know highscore and with a dance number by val do
00:29 Shiratoi: i think it does
00:29 Shiratoi: theres a really long
00:29 Shiratoi: cheer
00:30 Shiratoi: it lasts for like 5 sec
00:30 Naotoshi: good
00:30 Naotoshi: the more unfitting and dumb the better
00:30 Shiratoi: what are these words of wisdom
00:31 Naotoshi: secret to getting bn
00:31 Naotoshi: o did u take the bn test
00:32 Shiratoi: nup
00:32 Naotoshi: o k
00:32 Shiratoi: low kudo score
00:32 Naotoshi: rip
00:32 Shiratoi: actually
00:32 Shiratoi: the cheer isnt bad at all
00:32 Shiratoi: LOL
00:32 Naotoshi: ya
00:33 Shiratoi: gotta shorten though
00:33 Naotoshi: 03:05:189 (3,4) - monstrata would have your head for this
00:34 Shiratoi: dw about it
00:37 *Shiratoi is editing [https://osu.ppy.sh/b/1205694 soraru - Tsumi no Namae [The Malicious Goddess of Fate and the Blooming White Lily]]
00:37 Shiratoi: cheer
00:38 Naotoshi: did u storyboard it in
00:38 Shiratoi: oh no
00:39 Naotoshi: 03:05:363 (4) - ok this is ctually too bad to have
00:39 Naotoshi: plz
00:39 Shiratoi: poor blanket
00:40 Naotoshi: its not a blanket its
00:40 Naotoshi: the fact that its lined up wrong
00:40 Naotoshi: 03:36:758 (1,2,3,4) - can u make these all the same visual spacing
00:41 Naotoshi: mostly 2-3 and 2-4 should be same as 2-1
00:42 Shiratoi: 03:04:665 - i actually have no idea how to fix this
00:43 Shiratoi: https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/8291407
00:43 Shiratoi: ??
00:43 Naotoshi: just make it straight lol
00:43 Shiratoi: 03:06:061 (1) - but then this will get ruined
00:44 Shiratoi: ahh
00:44 Shiratoi: yea
00:44 Naotoshi: make them all straight
00:44 Naotoshi: for that nice aesthetic
00:44 Shiratoi: ill just make them straight
00:44 Naotoshi: straights are better anyway
00:45 Naotoshi: 03:44:258 (8,9) - would be nice with ctrl g
00:45 Naotoshi: for the flute ostinato thing
00:48 Shiratoi: okk
00:52 Naotoshi: 04:03:270 (1) -
00:52 Naotoshi: is this the only red point slider in the entire thing
00:52 Shiratoi: probably
00:53 Shiratoi: changed to a curve
00:53 Naotoshi: 04:20:014 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8) -
00:53 Naotoshi: flute thingy
00:54 Shiratoi: fak
00:54 Shiratoi: but theres actually an audible sound
00:54 Shiratoi: for each note this time
00:54 Naotoshi: hm
00:54 Naotoshi: well, yeah, but it's the same rhythm in the flute..
00:55 Shiratoi: zz
00:55 Shiratoi: fixed~
00:55 Naotoshi: 04:37:629 (3,1,2) -
00:55 Naotoshi: visual spacing plz
00:58 Shiratoi: oops
01:01 Naotoshi: 05:25:596 (1,2) -
01:01 Naotoshi: unrankable stack
01:02 Naotoshi: 05:47:921 (1) - if you move the 2nd point from the right to the left a bit it looks better imo
01:02 Shiratoi: oops
01:03 Naotoshi: ok this is getting too nazi
01:03 Naotoshi: check the map over and tell me if you're happy with it
01:03 Shiratoi: :^))
01:03 Shiratoi: okie
01:10 Shiratoi: should be okay now
01:10 Shiratoi: fixed a few stacks/blankets and forgotten ncs
01:14 Naotoshi: ok anyway
01:14 Naotoshi: did you update
01:14 Shiratoi: yeye
01:14 Naotoshi: make the od 8.6 so people dt farm it
01:15 Shiratoi: wat de
01:15 Naotoshi: ok dont
01:15 Naotoshi: well
01:15 Naotoshi: if u want ppl to then do
01:15 Shiratoi: 8.6 is no farm
01:15 Naotoshi: ?
01:15 Shiratoi: but yea
01:15 Shiratoi: 8.6
01:15 Naotoshi: cory in the house
01:15 Shiratoi: b
01:15 Naotoshi: is 8.6
01:16 Shiratoi: 8.6 yes
01:16 Naotoshi: k
01:16 Naotoshi: are you happy with the map
01:16 Shiratoi: pretty satisfied