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2017-02-14 13:43 Soul Evans: you might find something prettier
2017-02-14 13:43 Kawawa: I changed BG
2017-02-14 13:43 Kawawa: can you delete the map
2017-02-14 13:43 Kawawa: and redl
2017-02-14 13:43 Kawawa: then you can see the new bg
2017-02-14 13:43 Soul Evans: yeah i'm dling it right now
2017-02-14 13:44 Soul Evans: that's just the same but with test xD
2017-02-14 13:45 Soul Evans: but atleast it's more nice
2017-02-14 13:50 Soul Evans: jeez....
2017-02-14 13:51 Kawawa: seems you need warm yet
2017-02-14 13:51 Kawawa: haha.
2017-02-14 13:51 Soul Evans: actually the opposite
2017-02-14 13:51 Soul Evans: i've played all day
2017-02-14 13:51 Soul Evans: tired hand ;;
2017-02-14 13:51 Kawawa: oh.
2017-02-14 13:51 Kawawa: I see.
2017-02-14 13:51 Kawawa: just a bad condition your hand?
2017-02-14 13:51 Kawawa: I also understand that
2017-02-14 13:52 Kawawa: I played all day recently, but always not good score.
2017-02-14 13:52 Soul Evans: so umm
2017-02-14 13:52 Soul Evans: at the start of the map
2017-02-14 13:52 Soul Evans: did you raise the slowjam sv?
2017-02-14 13:52 Kawawa: yes.
2017-02-14 13:52 Soul Evans: ok that's good
2017-02-14 13:52 Kawawa: 00:02:050 - 0.8
2017-02-14 13:53 Kawawa: 00:12:428 - and I raised from this section
2017-02-14 13:53 Kawawa: slowly
2017-02-14 13:53 Kawawa: 00:17:617 - till 1.0here
2017-02-14 13:54 Soul Evans: ok i see
2017-02-14 13:54 Soul Evans: so basically
2017-02-14 13:54 Soul Evans: for this 00:02:536 (2536|3,2860|3,3185|5,3509|5,3833|3,4158|3,4482|5,4806|5) -
2017-02-14 13:54 Soul Evans: i really think you should avoid them for a slowjam
2017-02-14 13:55 Kawawa: nope, I really don't think
2017-02-14 13:55 Soul Evans: the pattering should be more spread out for a slowjam
2017-02-14 13:55 Kawawa: because I wanted to keep them for the pattern shape that repeated the "piano synth"
2017-02-14 13:55 Soul Evans: accuracy is a huge issue with this fact becuse ladder pattern + sv will make player rage quit
2017-02-14 13:55 Kawawa: It is not issue much for player.
2017-02-14 13:55 Kawawa: because It is 1/2th.
2017-02-14 13:56 Kawawa: If It's 1/4th, It was a big issue as your logic
2017-02-14 13:57 Kawawa: Also It is 7star map, I don't think that should I make the map easier than now.
2017-02-14 13:57 Soul Evans: it's not about that
2017-02-14 13:58 Soul Evans: look people have been pretty mad over Happy end with it's slowjams
2017-02-14 13:58 Soul Evans: because they can't get good scores out of it for their skills because of these slowjams
2017-02-14 14:00 Soul Evans: ok uhhm
2017-02-14 14:00 Soul Evans: lets see then
2017-02-14 14:00 Soul Evans: 00:35:454 -
2017-02-14 14:01 Kawawa: Since The important is the one which when It's a absolutely playable issue.
2017-02-14 14:01 Kawawa: I never consider them to change yet.
2017-02-14 14:01 Soul Evans: was this there before the update
2017-02-14 14:02 Kawawa: yeahh
2017-02-14 14:03 Soul Evans: hmm
2017-02-14 14:03 Kawawa: about the snap?
2017-02-14 14:03 Soul Evans: nah it's just about how it might not be hittable after the SV
2017-02-14 14:03 Soul Evans: chord spam
2017-02-14 14:04 Kawawa: hmm I passed easily.
2017-02-14 14:04 Soul Evans: 00:35:778 - i see you changed this section too, i think it's better that way
2017-02-14 14:04 Soul Evans: but i was thinking of making the right side more variable
2017-02-14 14:04 Soul Evans: like including the 6th column for 00:35:940 (35940|6) -
2017-02-14 14:05 Kawawa: oh.
2017-02-14 14:05 Kawawa: I got it yout point.
2017-02-14 14:05 Soul Evans: instead of [5][7] [5][7]
2017-02-14 14:05 Kawawa: but actually I like col 5,7 hammer
2017-02-14 14:05 Kawawa: that's the reason why I kept them for long time.
2017-02-14 14:06 Kawawa: but thanks
2017-02-14 14:06 Kawawa: I will consider this opinion 'w'
2017-02-14 14:07 Soul Evans: 00:38:048 - i actually like the SV in this part but thought it might be more fun to make the pattern like so : https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/7321580
2017-02-14 14:08 Soul Evans: also uhm
2017-02-14 14:08 Soul Evans: maybe you can increase the viriables for the SV
2017-02-14 14:08 Soul Evans: to make it slighty more strong but still fun
2017-02-14 14:08 Soul Evans: and uhh hard i suppose
2017-02-14 14:09 Kawawa: yeah, I will consider them :)
2017-02-14 14:09 Kawawa: It's okay any opinions will be helpful to me when I remapping.
2017-02-14 14:09 Soul Evans: why remap it?
2017-02-14 14:10 Kawawa: nope I mean when I self-check the map
2017-02-14 14:10 Kawawa: haha.
2017-02-14 14:10 Kawawa: If I feel not good somethingm, I remap some parts
2017-02-14 14:11 Soul Evans: i see
2017-02-14 14:12 Soul Evans: so uhm one thing i want to point out is 00:41:454 (41454|0,41535|0,41778|6,41859|6,42102|0,42183|0) -
2017-02-14 14:12 Soul Evans: these jacks
2017-02-14 14:12 Soul Evans: on the ring finger
2017-02-14 14:12 Soul Evans: hmmm
2017-02-14 14:12 Soul Evans: :thinking:
2017-02-14 14:12 Soul Evans: they should include ring finger so it wont focus on them alot
2017-02-14 14:12 Soul Evans: also i want to tell you advice
2017-02-14 14:13 Kawawa: you like middle finger?
2017-02-14 14:13 Soul Evans: i like things not being biased to finger
2017-02-14 14:13 Soul Evans: so spreading it to 4 fingers is better than dense section for 2
2017-02-14 14:15 Kawawa: that's the concept for the structure. If I changed them, I should change around structure too.
2017-02-14 14:15 Kawawa: so that's the hard to change
2017-02-14 14:15 Soul Evans: i see
2017-02-14 14:16 Soul Evans: 00:44:859 - this sound
2017-02-14 14:16 Soul Evans: should be with 00:45:021 -
2017-02-14 14:16 Soul Evans: because it's the important part the starter of the sound
2017-02-14 14:16 Soul Evans: i suggest for this
2017-02-14 14:17 Kawawa: yeah, you're right. previous pattern was that like you said
2017-02-14 14:17 Soul Evans: you can do something like you did in the ending for
2017-02-14 14:17 Soul Evans: uhhh alice in wonderland diff
2017-02-14 14:17 Kawawa: I will consider it once again
2017-02-14 14:18 Soul Evans: alright
2017-02-14 14:18 Soul Evans: 00:47:616 (47616|2,47616|4,47778|4,47778|2,47940|2,47940|4,48102|4,48102|2,48264|2,48264|4,48427|1,48589|1,48751|1,48913|1,49075|1) -
2017-02-14 14:19 Soul Evans: these anchors
2017-02-14 14:19 Soul Evans: hm
2017-02-14 14:21 Kawawa: I could not make a rest more than now.
2017-02-14 14:21 Kawawa: because at least this is not a jack
2017-02-14 14:21 Kawawa: 00:47:859 (47859|6) - If it was col 4, I would change them
2017-02-14 14:22 Soul Evans: i see
2017-02-14 14:22 Soul Evans: 00:48:427 -
2017-02-14 14:22 Soul Evans: i know this section calls for SV because of it's sound but
2017-02-14 14:22 Soul Evans: don't you think it would be better to just make chords heavier instead?
2017-02-14 14:23 Kawawa: umm
2017-02-14 14:23 Kawawa: you mean is
2017-02-14 14:23 Kawawa: without SV?
2017-02-14 14:24 Kawawa: or add some chords with keep SV
2017-02-14 14:24 Soul Evans: add more chords instead
2017-02-14 14:24 Soul Evans: or add
2017-02-14 14:24 Soul Evans: chords
2017-02-14 14:24 Soul Evans: and nerf the SV
2017-02-14 14:24 Soul Evans: a little
2017-02-14 14:27 Soul Evans: uhm
2017-02-14 14:27 Soul Evans: sorry
2017-02-14 14:27 Soul Evans: disconnected for a sec
2017-02-14 14:27 Soul Evans: but did you get my last message?
2017-02-14 14:28 Kawawa: ohh
2017-02-14 14:28 Kawawa: I did not see
2017-02-14 14:29 Soul Evans: well i mean
2017-02-14 14:29 Soul Evans: you can add notes
2017-02-14 14:30 Soul Evans: and maybe
2017-02-14 14:30 Soul Evans: nerf the SV a little to make it work
2017-02-14 14:30 Kawawa: oh I answered that
2017-02-14 14:30 Kawawa: but seems you did not receive my message
2017-02-14 14:30 Kawawa: ;w;
2017-02-14 14:30 Soul Evans: ;w;
2017-02-14 14:30 Kawawa: but your opinion also right. If I can make them havier, I should change the sturucture a bit.
2017-02-14 14:31 Soul Evans: yep
2017-02-14 14:31 Kawawa: so I will consider them again when I self check
2017-02-14 14:31 Soul Evans: 00:49:562 - i don't see why this is three note chords honestly
2017-02-14 14:31 Soul Evans: they don't sound different to me to have a change in strucutre
2017-02-14 14:32 Kawawa: hmm
2017-02-14 14:32 Kawawa: this is same main melody with drum.
2017-02-14 14:32 Kawawa: that I made it 3notes for whole stream
2017-02-14 14:33 Soul Evans: isee
2017-02-14 14:34 Soul Evans: 00:51:345 - i think this would be more comfy like this https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/7321709
2017-02-14 14:35 Kawawa: I thought it before was that
2017-02-14 14:35 Kawawa: but too normal I think. so I changed
2017-02-14 14:35 Kawawa: ;w;
2017-02-14 14:35 Soul Evans: But the SV makes it worse to hit i think
2017-02-14 14:37 Kawawa: nope. because you played it 1times only, so you can't judge the SV exactly.
2017-02-14 14:37 Soul Evans: i kinda played it more than once
2017-02-14 14:38 Kawawa: When you can play it 2~3 times, It will be adapted. I think
2017-02-14 14:38 Soul Evans: but didn't pass it untill after skillboost
2017-02-14 14:39 Soul Evans: and back
2017-02-14 14:39 Soul Evans: 00:52:724 (52724|1,52805|2,52805|0,52967|0,52967|2,53048|1) - this looks a bit unpolished
2017-02-14 14:41 Kawawa: I kinda agree to you, because I also get a miss there
2017-02-14 14:41 Kawawa: but I did not want to change them, because why I have to make them always easier. sometimes It needs to be harder.
2017-02-14 14:42 Kawawa: or It just a player's skill issue.
2017-02-14 14:42 Soul Evans: You want to make things harder right?
2017-02-14 14:42 Kawawa: yeahh
2017-02-14 14:42 Soul Evans: well ok i get your point but you got to remember
2017-02-14 14:42 Soul Evans: things that are hard, can be played and have a fun way to it
2017-02-14 14:42 Kawawa: I want to make harder some
2017-02-14 14:42 Soul Evans: not asking you to make it easier but you have to remember quality some times
2017-02-14 14:43 Soul Evans: i know people who can play a map very well
2017-02-14 14:43 Soul Evans: and still call it bad for some reason
2017-02-14 14:43 Soul Evans: while i see some hard maps
2017-02-14 14:43 Soul Evans: be called bad and good for some maps
2017-02-14 14:43 Soul Evans: so it's not about difficulty
2017-02-14 14:44 Soul Evans: it's about how fun something is and how good it plays compared to how horrible it plays
2017-02-14 14:44 Soul Evans: Thing is with your maps these days is that they are too uncomfortable
2017-02-14 14:44 Soul Evans: enigma is a prime thing for it
2017-02-14 14:44 Soul Evans: it's uncomfy
2017-02-14 14:44 Soul Evans: and your latest map has the same issue
2017-02-14 14:44 Kawawa: You should respect the chart what they aimed.
2017-02-14 14:44 Soul Evans: sure it's hard but some sections feels awkward to play in
2017-02-14 14:44 Soul Evans: yeah i understand that
2017-02-14 14:45 Kawawa: Players are not customer
2017-02-14 14:45 Kawawa: why they should be always easier.
2017-02-14 14:45 Kawawa: It's mindblock for map
2017-02-14 14:45 Kawawa: to create the chart.
2017-02-14 14:45 Soul Evans: Stop looking at difficulty for that
2017-02-14 14:45 Kawawa: always be smooth stairs.
2017-02-14 14:45 Kawawa: for ranked maps.
2017-02-14 14:45 Soul Evans: its' not the issue here at all lol
2017-02-14 14:46 Soul Evans: There are patterns that suit some sections well
2017-02-14 14:46 Soul Evans: and can be with harsher patterns
2017-02-14 14:46 Soul Evans: you can still make a map hard and better playing
2017-02-14 14:46 Soul Evans: i don't mind if a map is hard at all
2017-02-14 14:48 Kawawa: can you explain the map logically? that why It should not be?
2017-02-14 14:48 Kawawa: The mean about "playable"
2017-02-14 14:48 Soul Evans: I only care about if the pattern suits the section
2017-02-14 14:49 Soul Evans: weather it should be more easier or more harder
2017-02-14 14:49 Soul Evans: like before, i suggested you to make a section with more chords = harder pattern
2017-02-14 14:49 Kawawa: we call "suit" when we can pass it easily.
2017-02-14 14:49 Kawawa: but the problem is our's skill sometimes.
2017-02-14 14:49 Soul Evans: i only call suit if the section/sound calls for the type of pattern
2017-02-14 14:50 Soul Evans: i will suggest hard things, and easy things,or natural things, only to what i see fit
2017-02-14 14:50 Soul Evans: while still
2017-02-14 14:50 Soul Evans: respect mappers choice
2017-02-14 14:51 Kawawa: yeah. so I considering them yet.
2017-02-14 14:51 Kawawa: because actually It was easy to me.
2017-02-14 14:52 Kawawa: oh yeah, honestly I can make them easier. but I wanted to challenge somehing for me :)
2017-02-14 14:52 Soul Evans: i would not like you to make it easy
2017-02-14 14:53 Soul Evans: i would only care if it fits or not
2017-02-14 14:53 Kawawa: so yeah, I don't like that.
2017-02-14 14:55 Kawawa: but actually thanks what you said now.
2017-02-14 14:55 Kawawa: I will consider them once again :)
2017-02-14 14:56 Soul Evans: uhm
2017-02-14 14:57 Soul Evans: 01:06:102 - what do you think about making it a little bit more heavy https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/7321825
2017-02-14 14:58 Kawawa: what you think about to keep 3jacks?
2017-02-14 14:59 Soul Evans: i thought the beat is loud enough for only 3 chords
2017-02-14 14:59 Soul Evans: so having it be 4 would be more fun i think
2017-02-14 14:59 Soul Evans: and suitable
2017-02-14 15:00 Kawawa: honestly 4 also valid. but hmm I wanted to keep 3jacks for that
2017-02-14 15:00 Kawawa: but If I make it 4 anchor, I can't avoid the 4jack in one of column
2017-02-14 15:00 Kawawa: :(
2017-02-14 15:01 Kawawa: so I'm considering it
2017-02-14 15:02 Soul Evans: https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/7321855
2017-02-14 15:03 Kawawa: btw I have a question
2017-02-14 15:03 Soul Evans: yea sure
2017-02-14 15:03 Kawawa: what you think about? 04:18:589 (258589|6,258589|3,258589|4,258589|0,258670|2,258697|4,258697|5,258751|0,258805|6,258805|5,258832|2,258913|3,258913|6,258913|0) -
2017-02-14 15:03 Kawawa: I'm unsure it.
2017-02-14 15:04 Kawawa: because I stopped the SV, because polyrhythm here.
2017-02-14 15:04 Kawawa: you think 1/4 poly rhythm is better to ignore? And keeping 1/3 SV till 04:18:913 -
2017-02-14 15:06 Soul Evans: i think it would be safer if it was like this https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/7321870
2017-02-14 15:06 Soul Evans: besides the jack on the 6th col is still comboable
2017-02-14 15:07 Kawawa: Is that ok? I stopped SV here suddenly 04:18:913 -
2017-02-14 15:07 Soul Evans: k hold on
2017-02-14 15:08 Soul Evans: yeah i think that's fine
2017-02-14 15:08 Kawawa: really?
2017-02-14 15:08 Soul Evans: probably a bit too sudden using 2x SV after 0.5x but that's just me
2017-02-14 15:08 Kawawa: some peoples are say not good.
2017-02-14 15:09 Kawawa: so I was considering them to remap
2017-02-14 15:09 Soul Evans: i think they are talking about the type of SV you used
2017-02-14 15:09 Soul Evans: btw
2017-02-14 15:10 Kawawa: okay I will continue the question what I unsure something.
2017-02-14 15:10 Kawawa: yeah?
2017-02-14 15:10 Soul Evans: shouldn't this be LN 04:12:427 (252427|6,252427|4,252427|5) -
2017-02-14 15:10 Soul Evans: making these mini lns should be fine
2017-02-14 15:10 Soul Evans: i don't see why not
2017-02-14 15:11 Kawawa: yeah. but I think both are valid. or I should remove this LN too 04:12:589 (252589|4,252589|6) -
2017-02-14 15:11 Kawawa: I considering them
2017-02-14 15:11 Kawawa: maybe you're right
2017-02-14 15:12 Soul Evans: you shouldn't remove that LN honestly
2017-02-14 15:12 Soul Evans: jacking with it isn't hard
2017-02-14 15:12 Kawawa: why?
2017-02-14 15:13 Kawawa: I see alright.
2017-02-14 15:13 Soul Evans: lol
2017-02-14 15:13 Kawawa: -haha
2017-02-14 15:13 Soul Evans: 04:22:156 - i hear a 1/8 here
2017-02-14 15:13 Soul Evans: for like piano
2017-02-14 15:13 Kawawa: the piano?
2017-02-14 15:13 Soul Evans: adding a chord and 04:22:237 (262237|4,262237|2,262318|1,262318|5,262399|4,262399|2) -
2017-02-14 15:13 Kawawa: yeah
2017-02-14 15:13 Kawawa: honestly I think so
2017-02-14 15:13 Kawawa: but I really considering them
2017-02-14 15:13 Kawawa: hmm
2017-02-14 15:13 Soul Evans: yep
2017-02-14 15:13 Soul Evans: it's ok in my eyes
2017-02-14 15:13 Kawawa: so I don't know yet, but I want to add If I can
2017-02-14 15:13 Kawawa: haha
2017-02-14 15:14 Kawawa: 05:23:454 (323454|1,323454|2,323535|1,323535|2,323616|2,323616|1,323697|2,323697|1) -
2017-02-14 15:14 Kawawa: you like those jack?
2017-02-14 15:14 Kawawa: I'm not good jack skill. but I like jack.
2017-02-14 15:14 Soul Evans: Adding SV to it could be an option
2017-02-14 15:14 Kawawa: oh I added before.
2017-02-14 15:15 Kawawa: but hmm
2017-02-14 15:15 Soul Evans: or since the beat is loud enough you can use a 3 note chord junptrill SV
2017-02-14 15:15 Kawawa: something not suit? I feel
2017-02-14 15:15 Soul Evans: like (123) (567)
2017-02-14 15:15 Kawawa: I see
2017-02-14 15:15 Kawawa: And
2017-02-14 15:15 Kawawa: 04:13:399 (253399|2,253399|0,253481|1,253481|3,253562|2,253562|4,253643|3,253643|5,254048|4,254048|5,254048|6,254048|0,254129|1,254210|2,254210|4,254291|5,254291|3) -
2017-02-14 15:15 Soul Evans: 05:30:264 - i think this could be denser
2017-02-14 15:16 Kawawa: alright,
2017-02-14 15:16 Kawawa: I will add some notes
2017-02-14 15:16 Kawawa: I agree
2017-02-14 15:16 Kawawa: 04:13:399 (253399|2,253399|0,253481|1,253481|3,253562|2,253562|4,253643|3,253643|5,254048|4,254048|5,254048|6,254048|0,254129|1,254210|2,254210|4,254291|5,254291|3) -
2017-02-14 15:16 Soul Evans: for this hmmm
2017-02-14 15:16 Kawawa: I think change something?
2017-02-14 15:16 Kawawa: because same stair patterns
2017-02-14 15:16 Soul Evans: why not add LNs for it instead
2017-02-14 15:16 Kawawa: but I'm not good to see
2017-02-14 15:16 Kawawa: where?
2017-02-14 15:16 Soul Evans: 04:13:399 -
2017-02-14 15:17 Kawawa: hmm
2017-02-14 15:17 Soul Evans: hmm
2017-02-14 15:17 Kawawa: because for ACC?
2017-02-14 15:17 Soul Evans: nah
2017-02-14 15:17 Soul Evans: because of the sound
2017-02-14 15:17 Kawawa: Since I stoped SV here
2017-02-14 15:17 Soul Evans: i feel like LN for this type of sound might be an option
2017-02-14 15:17 Soul Evans: since you used LNs previously for all the other sounds that sound just like this one
2017-02-14 15:18 Kawawa: yeah
2017-02-14 15:18 Soul Evans: 04:14:048 - about this
2017-02-14 15:18 Soul Evans: i think it's fine as it is
2017-02-14 15:18 Kawawa: yeah
2017-02-14 15:18 Kawawa: I see.
2017-02-14 15:19 Kawawa: Alright. can you post the chat?
2017-02-14 15:19 Kawawa: I have to go out ;w;
2017-02-14 15:19 Kawawa: I think It already helpful a lots 'w'
2017-02-14 15:19 Soul Evans: sure <3