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[Taiga] wrote:
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I'm having trouble reading this is there a guide on how to read your guide? good effort though, but sometimes effort is not enough
HR is not only AR10. It's mainly all map modifiers increased by 40% up to maximum 10 (where main problem for mid range players is HP,OD 9.8/10) + map mirrored vertically. Map BPM along side with mapping style takes a HUGE role for how map plays and its difficulty. There are maps in range of 4 to 5* which are harder with HR than maps in range of 5 to 7*.
Additionally, to NOT DIE in HR you need to know how HP drain works which are explained in a wiki and in forum (if you search properly).
There is a reason why A LOT of people can play AR9+DT which is AR10.3 but they simply cannot get into HR till very high rank.
I call out this "guide", not very usefull since it miss core points.
"+" for effort tho. In this particular case i could say - to write this kind of specific guide you need not only knowledge but also practice supported by notable scores in HR category (which you OP doesn't have at all) - main reason why i avoid making any specific guides.
Additionally, to NOT DIE in HR you need to know how HP drain works which are explained in a wiki and in forum (if you search properly).
There is a reason why A LOT of people can play AR9+DT which is AR10.3 but they simply cannot get into HR till very high rank.
I call out this "guide", not very usefull since it miss core points.
"+" for effort tho. In this particular case i could say - to write this kind of specific guide you need not only knowledge but also practice supported by notable scores in HR category (which you OP doesn't have at all) - main reason why i avoid making any specific guides.
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I wanted to post this a while ago but I've been kind of a dick lately so I'll let him slide.N0thingSpecial wrote:
I'm having trouble reading this is there a guide on how to read your guide? good effort though, but sometimes effort is not enough
OP, learn how to format text beautifully please.
Also nice effort, but most of it is (how you play HR)+(obvious general facts). Also there's no mention of OD or CS, when it's important for learning HR too. I can AR10 but can't OD10 or CS6.5.
Also for extension, HDHR is a lot more difficult and would like to hear insight from you on that.
Actually hdhr is easier for me than just a plain hr.
But it could be bcuz i don't play hr very often, only from time to time to check if i got a bit better on od 10 etc.
But it could be bcuz i don't play hr very often, only from time to time to check if i got a bit better on od 10 etc.
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I make this because AR10 mostly,
Hp drain it's just x300 combos and spin faster. It's something you shouldn't care about in way to improve, use nofail.
OD 10 it's the same than OD1 for a good player. Try to fit everysingle circle you read to the middle bar/perfect timing in way to enjoy and follow well the rythm, you shouldn't care about if it's high or low OD, try to tap the rythm well even If you can get a x300 hitting 100ms estoy/late.
To play OD10 i just start to play a song a little and i check if i need offset, or i need tap earlier or late. Restart and play it.
Hidden+HardRock it's the same than HardRock if you are used to read Hidden. You don't use approach rate circle to click, you use the timing from when the circle spawn to when you have to click it. Dosn't matter If you have hidden or not.
Playing hidden the timing it's exactly the same than without, so If you use the timing to get into the rythm and hit circles hidden it's the same. If you can read the patterns using hidden.
Also some people play better using Hidden because they can ignore 100% the approach rate circle, something what they usually don't do at all playing without hidden.
Also the screen it's more clean without all the approach rate circles.
I play worst using hidden because when i get lost by bad reading i do use aproach rate circles in way to back to the rythm because i don't know when the circle spawn so i don't have the timing to keep clicking those circles.
Then if you already play good HD at other AR you only have to be used to AR10 timing in way to play AR+HD.
Sorry if i'm bad explaining myself, my english isn't any good and i don't explain myself how i can do it in spanish.
How i say before i don't talk about a lot of things but you can ask me.
Also i repeat i'm bad playing HR/AR10. I'm improving every day. What i try posting this it's to give you my knowledge to make usefull your AR10/HR plays instead just fuck your nomod reading and be worst overall or don't improve playing AR10 in a useless way.
This is my way to do it. Probably are a lot of better ways, but seems work good for me, and probably for someone else too.
I think it's all about know what you are doing and don't just play for play. So you can focus working your weakest points.
Hp drain it's just x300 combos and spin faster. It's something you shouldn't care about in way to improve, use nofail.
OD 10 it's the same than OD1 for a good player. Try to fit everysingle circle you read to the middle bar/perfect timing in way to enjoy and follow well the rythm, you shouldn't care about if it's high or low OD, try to tap the rythm well even If you can get a x300 hitting 100ms estoy/late.
To play OD10 i just start to play a song a little and i check if i need offset, or i need tap earlier or late. Restart and play it.
Hidden+HardRock it's the same than HardRock if you are used to read Hidden. You don't use approach rate circle to click, you use the timing from when the circle spawn to when you have to click it. Dosn't matter If you have hidden or not.
Playing hidden the timing it's exactly the same than without, so If you use the timing to get into the rythm and hit circles hidden it's the same. If you can read the patterns using hidden.
Also some people play better using Hidden because they can ignore 100% the approach rate circle, something what they usually don't do at all playing without hidden.
Also the screen it's more clean without all the approach rate circles.
I play worst using hidden because when i get lost by bad reading i do use aproach rate circles in way to back to the rythm because i don't know when the circle spawn so i don't have the timing to keep clicking those circles.
Then if you already play good HD at other AR you only have to be used to AR10 timing in way to play AR+HD.
Sorry if i'm bad explaining myself, my english isn't any good and i don't explain myself how i can do it in spanish.
How i say before i don't talk about a lot of things but you can ask me.
Also i repeat i'm bad playing HR/AR10. I'm improving every day. What i try posting this it's to give you my knowledge to make usefull your AR10/HR plays instead just fuck your nomod reading and be worst overall or don't improve playing AR10 in a useless way.
This is my way to do it. Probably are a lot of better ways, but seems work good for me, and probably for someone else too.
I think it's all about know what you are doing and don't just play for play. So you can focus working your weakest points.
I get your point and what yoiu wanted to achieve with this guide.
But the best advice for hr improvement i can give to a player like you is to drop that mod for now
Your basics are not solid enough to get good results with hr in any near future
But the best advice for hr improvement i can give to a player like you is to drop that mod for now
Your basics are not solid enough to get good results with hr in any near future
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I get your point too. Playing HR like this i'm improving my acc, aim, speed reaction, etc more than playing nomod. Also all what i learn playing HR it's usefull for me to play better nomod and all what i learn playing nomod it's usefull to play HR.Hiro-Senpai wrote:
I get your point and what yoiu wanted to achieve with this guide.
But the best advice for hr improvement i can give to a player like you is to drop that mod for now
Your basics are not solid enough to get good results with hr in any near future
In way to improve my weakest points like reading i'm playing nomod.
Yeah my basics are bad so it's hard for me process some information using high AR. The thing it's what i'm aware about this issues, so i can work properly on them. It's easier to know what patterns you do worst playing high AR so you can work on improve them using nomod and retry them using high AR. For example i have bad finger control to play some doubles, but i can play properly triples and bursts. I noticed this playing high AR, so i'm working on some doubles, and finger control at nomod.
Interesting thread imo.
I also have small problem with higher AR, i mean i have better AC at ar9/9.8/10 than on Ar7 but my scores get rekt thanks to random slider breaks.
After i saw this Easy mod part i tried it out and ofc i cant read map at all i move too fast :/
Almost on all 3.6* maps i have better acc on Hardrock than nomod , but cant FC at all so im not gaining pp.
I also have small problem with higher AR, i mean i have better AC at ar9/9.8/10 than on Ar7 but my scores get rekt thanks to random slider breaks.
After i saw this Easy mod part i tried it out and ofc i cant read map at all i move too fast :/
Almost on all 3.6* maps i have better acc on Hardrock than nomod , but cant FC at all so im not gaining pp.
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Try hidden mod in way to check if you get stucked by watching circles approach rate instead follow the rythm.Kiciuk wrote:
Interesting thread imo.
I also have small problem with higher AR, i mean i have better AC at ar9/9.8/10 than on Ar7 but my scores get rekt thanks to random slider breaks.
After i saw this Easy mod part i tried it out and ofc i cant read map at all i move too fast :/
Almost on all 3.6* maps i have better acc on Hardrock than nomod , but cant FC at all so im not gaining pp.
At slidders ignore how they are. Focus your eyes on 2 points. The circle as it's another circle more and the end to be aware about the endslidder hit sound and the point from where you have to move to next circle. Try to track the speed of the slidder from the song/rythm speed and the timing betwen the first circle of the slidder and the last circle.
If you move fast playing easy mod it's probably cause you try to hit by approach rate circle.You can use hidden only to get used to use rythm and then back to play without it ignoring the approach rate circles.
Probably you play a lot AR9 maps, play more AR8 AR7 AR6 maps.
This is a good map for your level. https://osu.ppy.sh/b/680920 Try to >97% and keep the longest combo you can.
I play almost only 9.8/10ManuelOsuPlayer wrote:
Probably you play a lot AR9 maps, play more AR8 AR7 AR6 maps.
This is a good map for your level. https://osu.ppy.sh/b/680920 Try to >97% and keep the longest combo you can.
And this map, well i hate this mapping a lot of stacks i get tired too fast.
Its faaar away from 97%
Oh no, Kuki gave up, what the fuck /o\
Playing Hard Rock is easy when you play difficulties without 1/4 patterns.
The main issue about getting into HR is pattern reading. Most people stop to read approachcircle by approachcircle after collecting some experience and simply look at the visual pattern WITHOUT the approach circles. Typical patterns like triples aren't correctly perceived on AR10 because they look different from what the player is used to.This causes fingerlock, misreading and all the other good stuff. For the very same reason new players (like Kiciuk for instance) don't have that patterning ingrained yet, that is why it is easier for them to get into Hard Rock because muscle memory won't make them trip.
For any nomod player not enjoying HR at all I would still call AR8+DT the best method to get a better grasp on it without having to frustrate oneself practicing it because the step from AR9.67 to AR10 is much smaller than from 9 or 9.2 to 10. This eased transition is very likely to work out for most people.
Playing Hard Rock is easy when you play difficulties without 1/4 patterns.
The main issue about getting into HR is pattern reading. Most people stop to read approachcircle by approachcircle after collecting some experience and simply look at the visual pattern WITHOUT the approach circles. Typical patterns like triples aren't correctly perceived on AR10 because they look different from what the player is used to.This causes fingerlock, misreading and all the other good stuff. For the very same reason new players (like Kiciuk for instance) don't have that patterning ingrained yet, that is why it is easier for them to get into Hard Rock because muscle memory won't make them trip.
For any nomod player not enjoying HR at all I would still call AR8+DT the best method to get a better grasp on it without having to frustrate oneself practicing it because the step from AR9.67 to AR10 is much smaller than from 9 or 9.2 to 10. This eased transition is very likely to work out for most people.
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Don't worry, play it once at day as a warm up for example will help you to play stacks and triples better. It's an important part since 3* maps start having streams and 4* mostly all have any type of stream stack. https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/7913128Kiciuk wrote:
I play almost only 9.8/10ManuelOsuPlayer wrote:
Probably you play a lot AR9 maps, play more AR8 AR7 AR6 maps.
This is a good map for your level. https://osu.ppy.sh/b/680920 Try to >97% and keep the longest combo you can.
And this map, well i hate this mapping a lot of stacks i get tired too fast.
Its faaar away from 97%
If you don't enjoy the song don't play it. Since it's very important do them following the rythm or bpm.
inb4 turn into DT farm fest completely forgetting the original intention of playing AR8+DTEndaris wrote:
For any nomod player not enjoying HR at all I would still call AR8+DT the best method to get a better grasp on it
Sourse: me
I've said this a shit ton of times already but new players should focus on nomod for their foundations, aka pattern, reading, rhythm, etc.
Others just couldn't take a hint because they think that playing HR makes them special or gives them a unique playstyle.
Others just couldn't take a hint because they think that playing HR makes them special or gives them a unique playstyle.
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I play HR mostly because the AR and the smallest circle size. I find it more atractive than nomod. The AR make me stay more focused into songs what makes me enjoy they more. And i don't like big circles. That's why i play mostly HR and no EASY mod. Btw i'm improving a lot doing it, use arguments why people like me shouldn't play HR and explain them to debate. So i can understand why i should stop play what i like to play.Sayorie wrote:
I've said this a shit ton of times already but new players should focus on nomod for their foundations, aka pattern, reading, rhythm, etc.
Others just couldn't take a hint because they think that playing HR makes them special or gives them a unique playstyle.
>you like this
>you don't like that
You're basically trimming off your potential if you do it like that.
>you don't like that
You're basically trimming off your potential if you do it like that.
Do i need to start quoting my own posts again?
Like honestly this "why new players shouldnt play mods" thing has been explained so many times that the fact that people still need to ask it is just baffling.
Like honestly this "why new players shouldnt play mods" thing has been explained so many times that the fact that people still need to ask it is just baffling.
I don't even know anymore. Maybe a huge 1 hr video with literally every aspect of osu explained would do the trick
There are guides on this forum, like a lot of them. And they are not used at all
There are guides on this forum, like a lot of them. And they are not used at all
This should be done by someone who has a knowledge and noticeable HR scores = one of top ranks player.Hiro-Senpai wrote:
I don't even know anymore. Maybe a huge 1 hr video with literally every aspect of osu explained would do the trick
There are guides on this forum, like a lot of them. And they are not used at all
One time on stream even Azer said to stick to nomod till you will be comfortable with high star maps. For me, Azer is way more respectable source of knowledge and progression than random 80k scrub. From what i know a lot of top rank players who doesn't want newbies to screw themself deny them from touching HR/DT at low ranks. AR10/OD10 | AR10.3 is not something what comes easy, it actually require solid ground to start with and I am 100% sure random 80k guy doesn't have it at all. Heck... even for me as someone who play a lot of nomod/HD i call this that i don't have solid ground to start with HR. AR8 + DT is what i can touch due i can read AR9.6 and acc OD9.
I like making guides but honestly, I would never make one towards any mod since I am a 25k scrub without any noticeable scores. Being a laughing stock due shitty meme posts is one thing. Being a laughing stock due making useless "guides" like this one is another.
Only thing what I could do as a video guide is overall gameplay, knowledge explanation and thing what already was touched around but nobody care to read. The only problem of mine is - crappy mic and shitty bass type voice which is disturbed a lot via... crappy mic.
I think it's about time someone respectable should make a "why you should start with nomod" guide.
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Farm PP don't make you better player than me. Also you're playing DT. Why don't stick no mod. If i think on something, i do it. But tell people advices that even yourself don't follow...[Taiga] wrote:
This should be done by someone who has a knowledge and noticeable HR scores = one of top ranks player.Hiro-Senpai wrote:
I don't even know anymore. Maybe a huge 1 hr video with literally every aspect of osu explained would do the trick
There are guides on this forum, like a lot of them. And they are not used at all
One time on stream even Azer said to stick to nomod till you will be comfortable with high star maps. For me, Azer is way more respectable source of knowledge and progression than random 80k scrub. From what i know a lot of top rank players who doesn't want newbies to screw themself deny them from touching HR/DT at low ranks. AR10/OD10 | AR10.3 is not something what comes easy, it actually require solid ground to start with and I am 100% sure random 80k guy doesn't have it at all. Heck... even for me as someone who play a lot of nomod/HD i call this that i don't have solid ground to start with HR. AR8 + DT is what i can touch due i can read AR9.6 and acc OD9.
I like making guides but honestly, I would never make one towards any mod since I am a 25k scrub without any noticeable scores. Being a laughing stock due shitty meme posts is one thing. Being a laughing stock due making useless "guides" like this one is another.
Only thing what I could do as a video guide is overall gameplay, knowledge explanation and thing what already was touched around but nobody care to read. The only problem of mine is - crappy mic and shitty bass type voice which is disturbed a lot via... crappy mic.
Btw i can retry too songs where i have 20 misses, until memorice the map/beats to retry until SS.
Loud words.ManuelOsuPlayer wrote:
Btw i can retry too songs where i have 20 misses, until memorice the map/beats to retry until SS.
i mean just leave them(aka ~2kpp players) be tbh if they have potential they'll progress no matter what shit they do at that level, and if they don't, there's probably a reason for being stuck. some people i've seen here usually take suggestions as a threat to their existence so now i really don't see the merit of giving suggestions when people tend to try and argue no matter what you say.-Jukke- wrote:
Do i need to start quoting my own posts again?
Like honestly this "why new players shouldnt play mods" thing has been explained so many times that the fact that people still need to ask it is just baffling.
Farm PP don't make you better player than me.This sounds like you challenge me. Your attitude is autistic tho.
For me someone who have 4-5k pp even with DT farm IS A BETTER PLAYER. You need skill to gain this pp.
Also you're playing DT. Why don't stick no mod.Because i feel like playing DT from time to time.
And if you think playing DT is "easy like everyone say", make any of my DT plays with better acc than me. Note - all maps are OD9 / OD9.8.
This is very good introduce to later on transitioning into HR - getting good at OD9.8 and AR9.6 which makes later on HR easier to learn.
If i think on something, i do it. But tell people advices that even yourself don't follow...I don't lecture 6k pp player like you does
That sounds hilarious ya know xDBtw i can retry too songs where i have 20 misses, until memorice the map/beats to retry until SS.GL
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This sounds like you challenge me. Your attitude is autistic tho.Did i say something about challenge you? I play for self improvment i never compite against other players.
For me someone who have 4-5k pp even with DT farm IS A BETTER PLAYER. You need skill to gain this pp.
Yeah, but tomorrow cookiezi get banned and lose his scores. Start play from 0 and get 600pp playing one song and stop play for a month. You're better because you have more PP. Your logic It's awesome my friend. More time farming 3* = more skill than a guy who pass 8* songs sightreading. Sure brooo.
Because i feel like playing DT from time to time.You're the one saying to me don't play mods and you spam DT at 3* songs to win PP xD Btw you're who try to challenge me for some reasson. Because you can't win against any other player at your rank? Stop farm and improve instead try to challenge a 80k being 30k xDDDDDD You're much better.
And if you think playing DT is "easy like everyone say", make any of my DT plays with better acc than me. Note - all maps are OD9 / OD9.8.
This is very good introduce to later on transitioning into HR - getting good at OD9.8 and AR9.6 which makes later on HR easier to learn.
I don't lecture 6k pp player like you doesI don't challenge 200k players because i suck like you does ^^. That sound Self-esteem problems. Lack of affection ya know xD
GLYou need it more.
You're not taking any criticism, instead you're taunting.
You're discrediting yourself right now, Manuel.
You're discrediting yourself right now, Manuel.
Pretty much, you can do anything and with enough playcount you'll improve no matter what anyway.kai99 wrote:
tbh if they have potential they'll progress no matter what shit they do at that level
And calling playing DT means you're unskilled and only farm PP is just.... stupid.
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I'm the first who criticism myself.Endaris wrote:
You're not taking any criticism, instead you're taunting.
You're discrediting yourself right now, Manuel.
I argue with adults, not with kids. If someone talk bullshit to me i give his bullshit back. Nothing else.
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I didn't say that. But If i go tomorrow and start play HD+HR+DT+FL at 3* songs AR 5. 0'10 drain... If i do that instead play 7* songs what i can't get PP on them I'm going to be better because i memorice 30 circles? That don't make any sense. PP =/ skill.VanillaSandvich wrote:
Pretty much, you can do anything and with enough playcount you'll improve no matter what anyway.kai99 wrote:
tbh if they have potential they'll progress no matter what shit they do at that level
And calling playing DT means you're unskilled and only farm PP is just.... stupid.
ManuelOsuPlayer wrote:
This sounds like you challenge me. Your attitude is autistic tho.
For me someone who have 4-5k pp even with DT farm IS A BETTER PLAYER. You need skill to gain this pp.
Did i say something about challenge you? I play for self improvment i never compite against other players.
Yeah, but tomorrow cookiezi get banned and lose his scores. Start play from 0 and get 600pp playing one song and stop play for a month. You're better because you have more PP. Your logic It's awesome my friend. More time farming 3* = more skill than a guy who pass 8* songs sightreading. Sure brooo.Because i feel like playing DT from time to time.You're the one saying to me don't play mods and you spam DT at 3* songs to win PP xD Btw you're who try to challenge me for some reasson. Because you can't win against any other player at your rank? Stop farm and improve instead try to challenge a 80k being 30k xDDDDDD You're much better.
And if you think playing DT is "easy like everyone say", make any of my DT plays with better acc than me. Note - all maps are OD9 / OD9.8.
This is very good introduce to later on transitioning into HR - getting good at OD9.8 and AR9.6 which makes later on HR easier to learn.I don't lecture 6k pp player like you doesI don't challenge 200k players because i suck like you does ^^. That sound Self-esteem problems. Lack of affection ya know xDGL
You need it more.
And as we see here, your casual G&R argument right here
You can't just say this and expect people to not start attacking you. It is super passive aggressive and makes you sound like a complete doucheManuelOsuPlayer wrote:
I don't challenge 200k players because i suck like you does ^^. That sound Self-esteem problems. Lack of affection ya know xD
Well it's not likely to change anytime soon I'm afraid.Braixen-Desu wrote:
And as we see here, your casual G&R argument right here
People religiously think that by not playing farm maps,and avoiding mods like the plague, they'll improve faster or gain unique abilities or something like that, therefore distancing themselves from players who do that and mappers as well, even though I'm pretty sure the whole thing started out with a silly joke.
Unfortunately a lot of the things in this game are very subjective, therefore, it may seem like the closest thing we have to objectivity are the opinions of top players, which I'm afraid are given a little too much credit.
Yolshka wrote:
Braixen-Desu wrote:
And as we see here, your casual G&R argument right here
Well it's not likely to change anytime soon I'm afraid.
People religiously think that by not playing farm maps,and avoiding mods like the plague, they'll improve faster or gain unique abilities or something like that, therefore distancing themselves from players who do that and mappers as well, even though I'm pretty sure the whole thing started out with a silly joke.
Unfortunately a lot of the things in this game are very subjective, therefore, it may seem like the closest thing we have to objectivity are the opinions of top players, which I'm afraid are given a little too much credit.
Hm...I never got why people say that playing nomod is bad for improvement. I mean...it can improve you to play faster songs I guess but it's not really too bad to play some mods
...yet I still play nomod (because I can't play HD,HR, or much else)
Did i say something about challenge you? I play for self improvment i never compite against other players.Your way od speaking sounds like a taunt, there is no other way to understand it. Sorry, please word your sentences in other way.
Yeah, but tomorrow cookiezi get banned and lose his scores. Start play from 0 and get 600pp playing one song and stop play for a month. You're better because you have more PP. Your logic It's awesome my friend. More time farming 3* = more skill than a guy who pass 8* songs sightreading. Sure brooo.
Still, this "3*" what you call it are actually 4,8*+ with DT, more, it is not just "pass them" - if you want pp from this maps - you need max accuracy. There is HUGE difference in pp between 97 and 99% acc on OD9 / OD9.75. You are not dealing with AR8, you are dealing with AR9.6 which require you to read properly. Another reason to play them - 4-5* range lack of OD9+ maps, that's why we have DT for easier OD7 maps, to compensate for this.
For me 8* pass is laughtable if it's mashed. More... if you used NF... don't even show up.
Difference between good player pass and garbage player pass is that good player will not mash, will aim properly, will not faceroll keyboard to get random 300/100/50. Garbage player will just mash his way and pray to pass, most likely with NF.
You're the one saying to me don't play mods and you spam DT at 3* songs to win PP xD Btw you're who try to challenge me for some reasson. Because you can't win against any other player at your rank? Stop farm and improve instead try to challenge a 80k being 30k xDDDDDD You're much better.Read above - to get pp from like you call it "3*" maps you need skill. It transition for both - acc on nomod and later on helps with HR mode.
Why you ever constantly call them out?
Maybe just prove your point that they are "so easy" and make any of my scores with higher acc? (they are really easy pattern wise... you just need to click circles to high OD).
I don't challenge 200k players because i suck like you does ^^. That sound Self-esteem problems. Lack of affection ya know xDThis sounds even more hilarious, especially from someone who doesn't understand shit, how DT works.
Well, I am done with ya for now, rethink your statements, really.
Will call out what one of top players said - Rafis - Farming maps also teach you how to play.
HDDT, especially started on easy maps gives me what i need for the future.
I am not going to challenge you son, you are not match for me, same as I am not match for a guy with 4k-5kpp and more.
Yes pp != skill but ONLY in certain situations, in specific skillset. You missed this point in a book. tournament players are chosen because of specific skillsets to fill the gap needed for mappool.
Good example was last GAF where Sequence just destroyed all higher ranked players on rrtyui map - https://www.twitch.tv/videos/135796413 (Azer view and his comments - 01:46:24).
Calling rafis out for his bullshit you go tigerManuelOsuPlayer wrote:
Farm PP don't make you better player than me. Also you're playing DT.