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Hashimoto Miyuki - Confession (Short Ver.)

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This beatmap was submitted using in-game submission on 2014년 6월 9일 월요일 at 오후 1:00:00

Artist: Hashimoto Miyuki
Title: Confession (Short Ver.)
Source: まじぷり -Wonder Cradle-
Tags: Majipuri Purple Software Opening Eroge Visual Novel
BPM: 137.01
Filesize: 17702kb
Play Time: 01:49
Difficulties Available:
  1. Easy (2.16 stars, 110 notes)
  2. Hard (4.99 stars, 267 notes)
  3. Normal (3.52 stars, 137 notes)
Download: Hashimoto Miyuki - Confession (Short Ver.)
Download: Hashimoto Miyuki - Confession (Short Ver.) (no video)
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The opening theme of the PC game 'Majipuri -Wonder Cradle-'.

Thanks for your cooperation!
Sonnyc
큰패션 섭밋!!
Bless
o3o
Topic Starter
Sure
Thank you for stars Sonnyc and Bless :D
Sekai
carrot moe o3o/
Kodora
Very nice!
Andrea
Can't wait to see this finished~
Topic Starter
Sure
Finished ~_~
Darksonic
☆~

Moecarrot ganbatte :3
Topic Starter
Sure
☆ arigatou, Bruno :D
Sonnyc
Easy:

01:02:143 (3) - 뉴콤?

Normal:

00:17:913 (4) - 템포 변경 뉴콤?
01:02:143 (3) - 가사 강조 뉴콤?

Hard:

-- Stack Leniency 4로 하는게 어떨까요? 00:06:965 (2)가 00:04:775 (2)와 호응해서 스택 없는게 나을거 같아서요,,

00:09:811 (2) - Additions-Auto 해주세요. 기본 휘슬 소리와 같지만, 휘슬을 따로 쓰는 사람들에게는 다르게 들려요.
00:59:953 (1,2) - 간격을 좀 더 띄우는 건 어떨까요? 박자가 엇박(?)이라 좀 치기 헷갈렸다는 생각이.. (1) 이전이 1.00x였다면 또 모르지만요

도입부가 유사한 함정 역시 굳맵이심
Topic Starter
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Sonnyc wrote:

Easy:

01:02:143 (3) - 뉴콤? // ok

Normal:

00:17:913 (4) - 템포 변경 뉴콤? // 큰악절(8마디)마다 뉴콤보 들어가는거라서 거부
01:02:143 (3) - 가사 강조 뉴콤? // ok

Hard:

-- Stack Leniency 4로 하는게 어떨까요? 00:06:965 (2)가 00:04:775 (2)와 호응해서 스택 없는게 나을거 같아서요,, // 일부러 스택 넣은거라서..

00:09:811 (2) - Additions-Auto 해주세요. 기본 휘슬 소리와 같지만, 휘슬을 따로 쓰는 사람들에게는 다르게 들려요. // 헐... 아직도 남아있었다니. ㄳㄳ
00:59:953 (1,2) - 간격을 좀 더 띄우는 건 어떨까요? 박자가 엇박(?)이라 좀 치기 헷갈렸다는 생각이.. (1) 이전이 1.00x였다면 또 모르지만요 // 근데 이거는 스페이싱을 어떻게 처리해도 엇박이라서 처음하는 사람은 높은 확률로 틀리게 돼있어요. 너무 떨어지면 1박 같아 보이고, 가까우면 1/2박 같고. 걍 놔둠. 매퍼 입장에선 Approach circle을 읽으라는 답변말고는 딱히 할게 없네요.

도입부가 유사한 함정 역시 굳맵이심
모딩 감사합니다. :)
HabiHolic
킁킁

[Hard]

01:34:112 (3) - ctrl + g 하는게 치기에는 편할거같은데

쿠도스는 주지말것

저거 제안이니까 안고치셔도댑니다

굿맵
Topic Starter
Sure

HabiHolic wrote:

킁킁

[Hard]

01:34:112 (3) - ctrl + g 하는게 치기에는 편할거같은데 // 제가 똑같은 각도로 1/2 슬라이더를 반복적으로 넣는걸 좋아해서 ㅋㅋ

쿠도스는 주지말것

저거 제안이니까 안고치셔도댑니다

굿맵
별 감사합니다. :)
Natsu
HI~ ykcarrot

General:
  1. Well Im ok with the bg but yeah maybe you should change it thought
  2. add Opening to tags

Hard:
  1. 00:02:148 add finish here it sound pretty good imo
  2. 00:05:651 (1) - finish + drum additions sound pretty nice too ( If you apply the suggetions don the same on the others diffs)
  3. 00:07:403 mmm the song do a pretty cool sound here maybe try This it sound pretty good and follow the song pretty nice imo
  4. 00:18:789 (4) - really nazi but move this one to x:296 y:316 so them be in line with 00:17:913 (3,5) - yeah dont affect the game play but hue
  5. 00:20:321 add a circle? play alot better imo is what the player expect also the gap feel really empty and the hit for 00:20:540 (2) - can be confuse IMO also here 00:23:825 since you map this one 00:24:701 (3) - make sense to map the previous two I guess
  6. 00:46:378 this sound kinda weird imo better remove whistle and keep just the finish + clap sound alot better for me (If you do this do it on the others diff too)
  7. 00:49:662 (7) - this need NC since you was adding them every 1 stanza so yeah is better keep the consistent imo
  8. 01:40:243 maybe add NC it since you was using every big tick so yeah also it feel better also you was using mostly finish + whistle for symilar parts why you dont use the whistle here too? sound pretty cool

Normal:
  1. 00:46:378 (4) - remove whistle and keep just clap + finish sound better for me
  2. 01:20:098 (5,6) - 01:23:601 (5,6) - I really dont like how the stack play in lower diffs also kinda break the flow of your map what about to unstack them? will feel better when you play imo also you just use 2 stacks in all the diffs
  3. 01:40:243 yeah same as hard I preffer NC here

Easy:
  1. 00:04:775 (2,1) - I feel the gap is too shor for ignore the distance in a easy yeah I preffer if you use the properly one here
  2. 01:30:608 (3,1) - I dont know this circle after the repeat could feel to hard for a easy imo but Im not sure what to suggest maybe the current one is the best way thought
  3. 00:51:195 (1) - Finish in the head it empathize better the song for me (same if you apply this do it in the hard and normal)

GL ykcarrot pretty cool mapset looking foward to see this ranked (、´・ω·)▄︻┻┳┳═一 ☆
Topic Starter
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Natsu wrote:

HI~ ykcarrot

General:
  1. Well Im ok with the bg but yeah maybe you should change it thought // Thanks for your opinion.
  2. add Opening to tags // Added

Hard:
  1. 00:02:148 add finish here it sound pretty good imo // OK, Drum Finish sounds good.
  2. 00:05:651 (1) - finish + drum additions sound pretty nice too ( If you apply the suggetions don the same on the others diffs) // ^
  3. 00:07:403 mmm the song do a pretty cool sound here maybe try This it sound pretty good and follow the song pretty nice imo // I don't wanna put a slider in here.
  4. 00:18:789 (4) - really nazi but move this one to x:296 y:316 so them be in line with 00:17:913 (3,5) - yeah dont affect the game play but hue // Fixed. BTW x:300 y:320 is correct though.
  5. 00:20:321 add a circle? play alot better imo is what the player expect also the gap feel really empty and the hit for 00:20:540 (2) - can be confuse IMO also here 00:23:825 since you map this one 00:24:701 (3) - make sense to map the previous two I guess // I added nothing at red tick, because I followed drums.
  6. 00:46:378 this sound kinda weird imo better remove whistle and keep just the finish + clap sound alot better for me (If you do this do it on the others diff too) // Hmm, I'm fine with these whistles work.
  7. 00:49:662 (7) - this need NC since you was adding them every 1 stanza so yeah is better keep the consistent imo // This part is only one that I broke NCing pattern for five sliders formation. Otherwise it looks a bit weird.
  8. 01:40:243 maybe add NC it since you was using every big tick so yeah also it feel better also you was using mostly finish + whistle for symilar parts why you dont use the whistle here too? sound pretty cool // You're right. But added whistle only, not NC.

Normal:
  1. 00:46:378 (4) - remove whistle and keep just clap + finish sound better for me
  2. 01:20:098 (5,6) - 01:23:601 (5,6) - I really dont like how the stack play in lower diffs also kinda break the flow of your map what about to unstack them? will feel better when you play imo also you just use 2 stacks in all the diffs // I wanna keep the stacks for giving variety. It's fine imo, bcuz it's not easist diff.
  3. 01:40:243 yeah same as hard I preffer NC here

Easy:
  1. 00:04:775 (2,1) - I feel the gap is too shor for ignore the distance in a easy yeah I preffer if you use the properly one here
  2. 01:30:608 (3,1) - I dont know this circle after the repeat could feel to hard for a easy imo but Im not sure what to suggest maybe the current one is the best way thought // I have no idea too. Anyway novice may need few attempts. ~_~
  3. 00:51:195 (1) - Finish in the head it empathize better the song for me (same if you apply this do it in the hard and normal) // There is no symbal in the song, so I didn't add finish.

GL ykcarrot pretty cool mapset looking foward to see this ranked (、´・ω·)▄︻┻┳┳═一 ☆
Thank you for your mod and star, Natsu :)
Natteke
oppai....
Akiyama Mizuki

Natteke wrote:

oppai....
[Yue]
Hi :3
from my queue

Small mod
2014-02-11 10:46 [Yue]: Hi! o3o
2014-02-11 10:46 ykcarrot: Hi there
2014-02-11 10:47 [Yue]: how are you?
2014-02-11 10:47 ykcarrot: fine. what's up?
2014-02-11 10:47 [Yue]: etto
2014-02-11 10:48 ykcarrot: I know you are a modder that I asked
2014-02-11 10:48 [Yue]: I was checking your map you left me in the modding queue
2014-02-11 10:49 [Yue]: and your map looks perfect to me, I found nothing, just a couple of suggestions
2014-02-11 10:49 ykcarrot: ok
2014-02-11 10:50 [Yue]: you're too pro ;c
2014-02-11 10:50 ykcarrot: thank you >w<
2014-02-11 10:52 ykcarrot: so.. what's the suggestions?
2014-02-11 10:53 [Yue]: only here 00:07:841 (1,2,3,1) - in Easy
2014-02-11 10:53 [Yue]: https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/1327304
2014-02-11 10:53 [Yue]: It's all I can tell ;_______________;
2014-02-11 10:54 [Yue]: everything else is perfect
2014-02-11 10:55 ykcarrot: seems good. I'll take it
2014-02-11 10:55 ykcarrot: thanks ;)
2014-02-11 10:55 [Yue]: ;ww;
2014-02-11 10:55 [Yue]: sorry for not being helpful
2014-02-11 10:56 [Yue]: aaa
2014-02-11 10:56 ykcarrot: even if a little thing you suggested, it might be helpful if you post it. actually I need some mod posts
2014-02-11 10:56 [Yue]: in Normal, maybe nc 01:26:229 (4) - D:
2014-02-11 10:56 ykcarrot: k wait
2014-02-11 10:59 ykcarrot: nope. I added NC to every motive, so it doesn't need NC
2014-02-11 10:59 [Yue]: oh, okay D:
2014-02-11 11:00 [Yue]: were just those 2 things you had to say :c
2014-02-11 11:01 ykcarrot: ok. thanks :)
2014-02-11 11:01 [Yue]: ;w;
2014-02-11 11:01 [Yue]: I'm so noob orz

Good luck! Star owo
Topic Starter
Sure

[Yue] wrote:

Hi :3
from my queue

Small mod
2014-02-11 10:46 [Yue]: Hi! o3o
2014-02-11 10:46 ykcarrot: Hi there
2014-02-11 10:47 [Yue]: how are you?
2014-02-11 10:47 ykcarrot: fine. what's up?
2014-02-11 10:47 [Yue]: etto
2014-02-11 10:48 ykcarrot: I know you are a modder that I asked
2014-02-11 10:48 [Yue]: I was checking your map you left me in the modding queue
2014-02-11 10:49 [Yue]: and your map looks perfect to me, I found nothing, just a couple of suggestions
2014-02-11 10:49 ykcarrot: ok
2014-02-11 10:50 [Yue]: you're too pro ;c
2014-02-11 10:50 ykcarrot: thank you >w<
2014-02-11 10:52 ykcarrot: so.. what's the suggestions?
2014-02-11 10:53 [Yue]: only here 00:07:841 (1,2,3,1) - in Easy
2014-02-11 10:53 [Yue]: https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/1327304
2014-02-11 10:53 [Yue]: It's all I can tell ;_______________;
2014-02-11 10:54 [Yue]: everything else is perfect
2014-02-11 10:55 ykcarrot: seems good. I'll take it
2014-02-11 10:55 ykcarrot: thanks ;)
2014-02-11 10:55 [Yue]: ;ww;
2014-02-11 10:55 [Yue]: sorry for not being helpful
2014-02-11 10:56 [Yue]: aaa
2014-02-11 10:56 ykcarrot: even if a little thing you suggested, it might be helpful if you post it. actually I need some mod posts
2014-02-11 10:56 [Yue]: in Normal, maybe nc 01:26:229 (4) - D:
2014-02-11 10:56 ykcarrot: k wait
2014-02-11 10:59 ykcarrot: nope. I added NC to every motive, so it doesn't need NC
2014-02-11 10:59 [Yue]: oh, okay D:
2014-02-11 11:00 [Yue]: were just those 2 things you had to say :c
2014-02-11 11:01 ykcarrot: ok. thanks :)
2014-02-11 11:01 [Yue]: ;w;
2014-02-11 11:01 [Yue]: I'm so noob orz

Good luck! Star owo
Thanks for your mod, [YUE]
fixed approprriately.
DeletedUser_3044645
안농하세요

[Easy]
Pro

[Normal]
00:56:012 (2) - 음 리듬 제안인데, 노말난이도인데 보컬을 빼먹은게 약간 허전한 느낌이네요 1/2슬라로 바꿔보는건 어떨까요?
01:30:389 - 이부분 클라이막스라면 클라이막스일텐데 서클 추가하셔서 보컬 강조하시는게 어떨까요?
01:32:141 (2,3) - 나찌인데 담요가 야간 잘 안됐네요..

[Hard]
00:46:378 (2,3) - 이부분 3/4슬라 서클이 어울린다고 생각돼지않네요. 그냥 1/1슬라 하시는게 다음 연타 치기도 리듬상 훨씬 편할거같습니다
01:20:536 (4,5,6) - 3연타를 01:19:660 (2) - 꼬리에 겹치는게 어떨까요?
01:24:039 (4,5,6) - 위와 같은 의갼입니다

스피너가 9초씩이나 돼는데요 플레이어들에게 약간 피곤할거 같은데 중간쯤에서 끊는게 어떨까요?
01:45:936 - 이쯤에서 끊어도 됄거같은 의견입니다. 여기 바람부는소리 같은게 끝나는데.. 뒤에도 더있지만
Topic Starter
Sure

No Dap wrote:

안농하세요

[Easy]
Pro

[Normal]
00:56:012 (2) - 음 리듬 제안인데, 노말난이도인데 보컬을 빼먹은게 약간 허전한 느낌이네요 1/2슬라로 바꿔보는건 어떨까요? // 고침
01:30:389 - 이부분 클라이막스라면 클라이막스일텐데 서클 추가하셔서 보컬 강조하시는게 어떨까요? // 고침
01:32:141 (2,3) - 나찌인데 담요가 야간 잘 안됐네요.. // 고침

[Hard]
00:46:378 (2,3) - 이부분 3/4슬라 서클이 어울린다고 생각돼지않네요. 그냥 1/1슬라 하시는게 다음 연타 치기도 리듬상 훨씬 편할거같습니다 // 음악 그대로 따른거라서 바꿀 생각 없습니다.
01:20:536 (4,5,6) - 3연타를 01:19:660 (2) - 꼬리에 겹치는게 어떨까요? // 3연타는 스택때문에 에디터에서 겹치게하면 실제 플레이시 삐져나온다는 문제가 있기 때문에 일부러 우측하단에 놓은거예요.
01:24:039 (4,5,6) - 위와 같은 의갼입니다

스피너가 9초씩이나 돼는데요 플레이어들에게 약간 피곤할거 같은데 중간쯤에서 끊는게 어떨까요? // 9초는 양반... 도망
01:45:936 - 이쯤에서 끊어도 됄거같은 의견입니다. 여기 바람부는소리 같은게 끝나는데.. 뒤에도 더있지만
모딩 감사합니다. ^3^
69653863
Mod request from my queue
Guide
Red is unrankable and must be fixed.
Pink is you should apply this to any similar notes/parts/patterns/whatever it was stated on it.
Mods with question marks (?) are only suggestion/opinion. You're free to choose whether you're going to apply it or not.

Additional notes:
I cannot mod another game modes.
Please reply to my mods, I always looking forward to the replies so I could improve better.
If you think one or more points on my mod is unclear, feel free to ask about it.

Hello!

General
  1. No no no don't change the BG. Even though I don't know who would gonna play this and how many please don't change the BG. You know why, and we know why.
  2. That's a real long popsicle.
  3. 01:40:352 (1) - >6 seconds. Maybe it's possible to add shorter spinner?
lol each diff has a same starting pattern. I don't know why but I like this

Easy
  1. 00:07:841 (1,2,3) - Stack? It'll follow music better
  2. 00:18:789 (4,2) - If you could stack (4) with (2)'s sliderstart it'll look nice
  3. 00:30:613 - Feels empty. Add note?
  4. 01:12:215 (3,1) - pliers™ slider art by ykcarrot® all rights reserved
  5. 01:31:922 - Add note here to maintain pattern polarity?
Normal
  1. 00:07:841 (1,2,3) - Stack too?
  2. 00:10:906 (4) - Not symmetric.
  3. 00:47:473 - You could add a note here, you know, pattern variations.
  4. 01:27:762 - Same here.
Hard
  1. HP7 is ok. You know, harder diff harder challenge. Also, more jumps please ;_;
  2. 00:20:321 - Feels empty, add note?
  3. 00:23:825 - same here
  4. 00:49:224 (6,7,8) - Not spaced enough. Try this:
    176,192,49224,2,0,P|168:140|140:104,1,100,0|2,0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
    208,288,49662,2,0,P|256:300|304:288,1,100,0|8,0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
    372,103,50100,2,0,P|342:142|336:192,1,100,0|2,0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
  5. 01:23:163 (2,4,5,6) - Stack circles on slider end?
Not much to mod because short song and perfect map. Good luck ykcarrot!
Topic Starter
Sure

inverness wrote:

Mod request from my queue
Guide
Red is unrankable and must be fixed.
Pink is you should apply this to any similar notes/parts/patterns/whatever it was stated on it.
Mods with question marks (?) are only suggestion/opinion. You're free to choose whether you're going to apply it or not.

Additional notes:
I cannot mod another game modes.
Please reply to my mods, I always looking forward to the replies so I could improve better.
If you think one or more points on my mod is unclear, feel free to ask about it.

Hello!

General
  1. No no no don't change the BG. Even though I don't know who would gonna play this and how many please don't change the BG. You know why, and we know why.
  2. That's a real long popsicle. // lol
  3. 01:40:352 (1) - >6 seconds. Maybe it's possible to add shorter spinner? // It fits the music, I don't wanna shorten it.
lol each diff has a same starting pattern. I don't know why but I like this

Easy
  1. 00:07:841 (1,2,3) - Stack? It'll follow music better // The melody gets higher, so I don't think stacking is better.
  2. 00:18:789 (4,2) - If you could stack (4) with (2)'s sliderstart it'll look nice // Stacking a note under the slider is not recommended in Easy.
  3. 00:30:613 - Feels empty. Add note? // I want to keep the same rhythm pattern.
  4. 01:12:215 (3,1) - pliers™ slider art by ykcarrot® all rights reserved // haha
  5. 01:31:922 - Add note here to maintain pattern polarity? // I have no idea in this part... Adding something may increase difficulty.
Normal
  1. 00:07:841 (1,2,3) - Stack too? // Nope
  2. 00:10:906 (4) - Not symmetric. // Fixed
  3. 00:47:473 - You could add a note here, you know, pattern variations. // Previous circles make a hexagon. To add a note will destory it.
  4. 01:27:762 - Same here.
Hard
  1. HP7 is ok. You know, harder diff harder challenge. Also, more jumps please ;_;
  2. 00:20:321 - Feels empty, add note? // I want to keep the rhythm. 00:34:116 (3)
  3. 00:23:825 - same here
  4. 00:49:224 (6,7,8) - Not spaced enough. Try this: // It was spaced with 1.7x actually, but your suggestion looks better. I'll take it. Thanks!
    176,192,49224,2,0,P|168:140|140:104,1,100,0|2,0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
    208,288,49662,2,0,P|256:300|304:288,1,100,0|8,0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
    372,103,50100,2,0,P|342:142|336:192,1,100,0|2,0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
  5. 01:23:163 (2,4,5,6) - Stack circles on slider end? // Because of stack. If I stack circles on the end of the slider in editor, it will stick out of the end of the slider in play mode.
Not much to mod because short song and perfect map. Good luck ykcarrot!
Thanks for your mod inverness :D
Topic Starter
Sure
notice

I have full version [Hashimoto Miyuki - Confession] of the this map.
If I remove (Short Ver.) from the title, the maps will be merged together.
This is why the title keeps it.
Lissette
Hi yk~

[General]
I think you should find a more appropriate bg for osu!, this one is kinda over the top, and according to Garven the desk is too low >.> http://puu.sh/9irTT/bcca049372.jpg

Map is really good, as always. Lovely sliders!

Tell me when is done.
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Sure
Changed the BG :?
It takes time till the thumbnail is changed
Lissette
Can you submit again? I've re-download twice and still see the old bg.
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Will be fine now o.o
Lissette
Bubble~ ^^
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Thank you Liss <3
Dark Fang
LQA20Ans
OMG
Kawayi Rika
Hi ~ jeju carrot ~

random modding ~

[Hard]


  1. 01:40:243 (9) - You are forgot add whistle to here.

Call me back ><
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Added that whistle. Thanks!
Kawayi Rika
Yes ~!

Awesome song <3




제주당근 파라요 ~!
Andrea
Finally some carrot maps again <3

Congrats bro :)
DeletedUser_3044645
Where is oppai BG

Gratz!!
Kodora
Very nice map. Good job, carrot!

i miss old bg ;_;
Myxo
Congratz ^-^
BeatofIke
Congratulations :)
Sonnyc
My little stars

Grats~
Dark Fang

Dark Fang wrote:

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Thank you Rika chan <3
and everyone :D
Mao
So awesome <3
Gratz!
Shohei Ohtani
BPM: 137.01
DID NOBODY SEE THIS AS AN ISSUE TO AT LEAST POINT OUT
dkun
Is there an actual source with "Short Ver." in the title? Every source I see seems to be without this. Did no one else bother to mention the .01 in BPM as well?

Please change the BPM and provide a credible source for the title. If not, please remove it.

Call me back.
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Please see the post
p/3138381

and the BPM 137.000 doesn't fit. =A=
dkun
Verified the timing with 445. Looks like it's okay! Although, maps merging together does *not* justify a wrong title.
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CDFA wrote:

BPM: 137.01
DID NOBODY SEE THIS AS AN ISSUE TO AT LEAST POINT OUT
Please do not quote just the BPM. If the timing is incorrect, provide me the correct timing that you find.



dkun wrote:

Verified the timing with 445. Looks like it's okay! Although, maps merging together does *not* justify a wrong title.
Offset 445 is totally wrong.

http://vgmdb.net/album/2501
I've tried to find the source of this song but I couldn't find the information of the short ver.
There exist only instrumental ver and full ver of the song. Actually nobody knows the correct title of the short ver.
As you said, If the title "Confession (Short Ver.)" is wrong, you should find the proof that it is wrong.
Because the full ver has nothing in the title and I already said the maps will be merged together if I remove "(Short Ver.)" from the title.
This is an only way that I can take, here is no room for compromise in this case. Could you give me a solution?
Tari

dkun wrote:

Verified the timing with 445. Looks like it's okay! Although, maps merging together does *not* justify a wrong title.

ykcarrot wrote:

Offset 445 is totally wrong.

I think dkun means that he verified the timing with the person, Charles445, not offset 445

Anyways, best wishes to get this reranked :D
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Tari wrote:

I think dkun means that he verified the timing with the person, Charles445, not offset 445

Anyways, best wishes to get this reranked :D
lol... I didn't think it's the person, Charles445. xD
It's ok then. And thanks Tari.
Lanturn
http://youtu.be/26EyiAR0_hU?t=1m20s

Credits will do as a source right?

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Lanturn wrote:

Credits will do as a source right?
It won't. Credits in the video is never shown as short ver. It's same in TV animation OP/ED.
dkun

ykcarrot wrote:

dkun wrote:

Verified the timing with 445. Looks like it's okay! Although, maps merging together does *not* justify a wrong title.
Offset 445 is totally wrong.

http://vgmdb.net/album/2501
I've tried to find the source of this song but I couldn't find the information of the short ver.
There exist only instrumental ver and full ver of the song. Actually nobody knows the correct title of the short ver.
As you said, If the title "Confession (Short Ver.)" is wrong, you should find the proof that it is wrong.
Because the full ver has nothing in the title and I already said the maps will be merged together if I remove "(Short Ver.)" from the title.
This is an only way that I can take, here is no room for compromise in this case. Could you give me a solution?
I don't need to give proof that it's wrong. I need proof that it's right. When in doubt, what is in the album is always correct.

Two wrongs don't make a right, ever.

ykcarrot wrote:

Lanturn wrote:

Credits will do as a source right?
It won't. Credits in the video is never shown as short ver. It's same in TV animation OP/ED.
Wrong.
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Don't be stubborn dkun.
Bad rule is not a rule. It can't cover every situation.
Dark Fang
아짜짜짜
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Dark Fang wrote:

아짜짜짜
아버지를 아버지라 부르지 못 하고... 잼 ㅋㅋㅋ
Gloria Guard
언제까지 곡버전가지고 언랭시킬 작정인지... 정확한 룰을 명시해놓고 하면모를까...

자기 고집대로 하면서 좋게 끝날일이 아닌데.. 아무튼 힘내세요 ㅠ
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Gloria Guard wrote:

언제까지 곡버전가지고 언랭시킬 작정인지... 정확한 룰을 명시해놓고 하면모를까...

자기 고집대로 하면서 좋게 끝날일이 아닌데.. 아무튼 힘내세요 ㅠ
이게 룰이 너무 명확해서 탈이에요. 무슨 이야기냐면,
곡 버전이 제목에 붙었는지 아닌지를 신뢰할 수 있는 소스로부터 확인할 수 없으면 무조건 아무것도 붙이지 말라는 거예요.
이 말을 다르게 이야기하면 정황상으로 알 수 있는 상황,
예를 들면 "풀버전이 이미 있으니까 이건 당연히 숏버전이 되겠지?" ← 이 걸 인정 못 해요.
무조건 실질적이고 객관적인 자료가 있어야 뒤에 숏버전을 붙일 수 있다는 이야기입니다.

이렇게 보면 겁나 명쾌한 룰 같죠?
그런데 그게 아니에요. 아래 상황을 한 번 볼까요?

매 분기마다 새로운 애니 막 쏟아져 나오잖아요. 그러면 사람들이 오프닝이나 엔딩을 매핑한단 말이에요.
그리고 제목 뒤에는 항상 (TV Size)를 붙이죠.
이 때 두가지 사실이 있어요.

1. 오프닝/엔딩 동영상 자막에는 절대로! (TV Size)가 제목에 붙지 않아요.
2. OST는 애니메이션 방영 초기에는 절대로 발매되지 않아요.

이 두가지 사실에 입각하면 제목 뒤에 뭔가 붙이면 안 돼요.
하지만 지금까지 티비 사이즈 노래 맵 제목에서 (TV Size) 빼라고 언랭크 시킨 역사가 없는걸로 알아요.
(뒤에 붙은 글자가 좀 달라서 바꾸라고 언랭한 기록은 있는 걸로 앎)

왜 티비 사이즈는 편애 할까요?
이거 예전에 논점이 된 적 있었는데 페피나 여타 뱃등 왈,
티비 사이즈 노래는 OST에 실리고 제목 뒤에 (TV Size) 붙는게 일반적이고 항상 그래왔다는 거예요.
장난함? 위 상황도 실질적이고 객관적인 자료에 근거한게 아닌데 에로게 오프닝/엔딩엔 이중잣대 들이미니 답이 없어요.

그래서 티비사이즈도 똑같이 언랭시켜줘요, (TV Size) 빼버립시다. 이 걸 주장하는 게 절대 아니에요.
정황상 충분히 알 수 있는 정보면 뒤에 뭔가 붙이는 걸 허락해 달라는겁니다.
붙여서 뭐 해가 될게 있나요?



는 시발 영어로 번역해줄 사람 내 남은 쿠도스 다 쏟아 붓는다...
라고 해도 내 의견은 쥐뿔도 인정안해주겠지. 나 보다 더 박식한 메르챗7사마도 철저하게 무시당했는데! ㅋㅋㅋ
아무튼 위로해주셔서 감사합니다 꿀로리아님. 흐규
Dark Fang
융통성이 없네요
DeletedUser_3044645

ykcarrot wrote:

이게 룰이 너무 명확해서 탈이에요. 무슨 이야기냐면,
곡 버전이 제목에 붙었는지 아닌지를 신뢰할 수 있는 소스로부터 확인할 수 없으면 무조건 아무것도 붙이지 말라는 거예요.
이 말을 다르게 이야기하면 정황상으로 알 수 있는 상황,
예를 들면 "풀버전이 이미 있으니까 이건 당연히 숏버전이 되겠지?" ← 이 걸 인정 못 해요.
무조건 실질적이고 객관적인 자료가 있어야 뒤에 숏버전을 붙일 수 있다는 이야기입니다.
The rule is too definite.
Basically, it's "if you can't verify if there is (whatever Ver), you do not put anything."
For an instance, "there's already a full version, so this should be a short version" <- not accepted
In order to add "short ver" there has to be a credible evidence of it.


이렇게 보면 겁나 명쾌한 룰 같죠?
그런데 그게 아니에요. 아래 상황을 한 번 볼까요?
Seems legit, right?
Nope. Let's take a look at another situation


매 분기마다 새로운 애니 막 쏟아져 나오잖아요. 그러면 사람들이 오프닝이나 엔딩을 매핑한단 말이에요.
그리고 제목 뒤에는 항상 (TV Size)를 붙이죠.
이 때 두가지 사실이 있어요.
Every season, new animes come out. And people map OP and ED
and they always add (TV Size)
and there are 2 facts to this.


1. 오프닝/엔딩 동영상 자막에는 절대로! (TV Size)가 제목에 붙지 않아요.
2. OST는 애니메이션 방영 초기에는 절대로 발매되지 않아요.
1. In OP/ED video, there is NEVER (TV Size) in the title.
2. OST is NEVER released in the beginning of a season.


이 두가지 사실에 입각하면 제목 뒤에 뭔가 붙이면 안 돼요.
하지만 지금까지 티비 사이즈 노래 맵 제목에서 (TV Size) 빼라고 언랭크 시킨 역사가 없는걸로 알아요.
(뒤에 붙은 글자가 좀 달라서 바꾸라고 언랭한 기록은 있는 걸로 앎)
According to these 2, you shouldn't add anything to the title.
However, as far as I know, There has not been an unranked map because of having (TV Size)
(but I do think there were a few unranked maps for having typo and such)


왜 티비 사이즈는 편애 할까요?
이거 예전에 논점이 된 적 있었는데 페피나 여타 뱃등 왈,
티비 사이즈 노래는 OST에 실리고 제목 뒤에 (TV Size) 붙는게 일반적이고 항상 그래왔다는 거예요.
장난함? 위 상황도 실질적이고 객관적인 자료에 근거한게 아닌데 에로게 오프닝/엔딩엔 이중잣대 들이미니 답이 없어요.
Why do people favoritize TV size?
This once was a issue in the past, but Peppy and other BATs said
TV size is generally added to the title, and it has been that way.
Are you kidding me? that statement above isn't even said with any credible evidence. And standing against Eroge OP/ED with double standard, I'm speechless.


그래서 티비사이즈도 똑같이 언랭시켜줘요, (TV Size) 빼버립시다. 이 걸 주장하는 게 절대 아니에요.
정황상 충분히 알 수 있는 정보면 뒤에 뭔가 붙이는 걸 허락해 달라는겁니다.
붙여서 뭐 해가 될게 있나요?
Then unrank TV Size too. Let's take out (TV Size). I'm not saying I want this to happen.
What I'm saying is, if the information is circumstantial, allow us to add things to the title.
It can't hurt us, right?
I might have mistranslated, but I tried my best.

당근님 힘내세요!!
Ephemeral

Ranking Criteria wrote:

Do not alter the song's title. This includes adding any marker to describe the cut of the song such as "Short Ver.", "TV Size" and so forth unless those markers are part of the official song title as listed by a reputable source.
Other maps that slipped by when using the "TV Size" designation incorrectly are entirely irrelevant. Is (Short Ver.) in a reputable track listing/album listing for this song or not? If it isn't, it needs to go. If it is, it can stay.

Arguing this any further is pointless.

Actually, let me bold face this for you for emphasis' sake: further discussion on the matter is unnecessary. Fix the metadata, or prove that it is correct.
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Am I the only one who think the rule is unfair and inflexible?
And yes, futher discussion is unnecessary as you said Ephemeral.
I mean UNDER THE RULE and WITH STUBBORN BATS.

스레드락 예상
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저도 한마디 하고싶은데 해도 될까용
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No Dap wrote:

저도 한마디 하고싶은데 해도 될까용
락 되기 전에 하시는 게 좋아요.
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Ephemeral wrote:

Ranking Criteria wrote:

Do not alter the song's title. This includes adding any marker to describe the cut of the song such as "Short Ver.", "TV Size" and so forth unless those markers are part of the official song title as listed by a reputable source.
Then unrank TV Size songs because none of them are right.

Ephemeral wrote:

Other maps that slipped by when using the "TV Size" designation incorrectly are entirely irrelevant. Is (Short Ver.) in a reputable track listing/album listing for this song or not? If it isn't, it needs to go. If it is, it can stay.
How is this irrelevant? do you know how reference works?

Ephemeral wrote:

Other maps that slipped by when using the "TV Size" designation incorrectly
So, you know they are wrong. Do you plan to do anything about it?

Ephemeral wrote:

Arguing this any further is pointless.

Actually, let me bold face this for you for emphasis' sake: further discussion on the matter is unnecessary. Fix the metadata, or prove that it is correct.
Of course it is pointless, you're just being stubborn and not willing to discuss. didn't even try to discuss.
Man. it feels good to have powers right? just forcing people to shut their mouth and make them do what you tell them
dkun
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Good to see that bug was fixed. But we are talking about the shit rule.

I'll show you BATs make bunch of errors in TV sized song maps.
dkun
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어차피 무시할거면서 링크는 존나 해대세요
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ㅋㅋㅋ 에휴 컴뮤니티 참 대단한 게임인듯...
Kibbleru
bleh. this argument.
Love
ykcarrot, there's no reason to cause a big fuss about it. There's no official title that has "Short Ver." in it, but adding it into the tags will allow you to keep it in a way. The bug of mapset merging has been fixed so your map could just get re-ranked on it's own.

We aren't trying to attack you or anything, we're just doing our jobs of enforcing a rule. If you want to keep your title, then you can go to the RC forum and propose a rule change with justified reasoning. There will be discussion, but right now the best way is to add it to tags and we just move on.
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