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Kola Kid - square spooner fisher pusher

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Kert
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Kert
This beatmap was submitted using in-game submission on 14 марта 2013 г. at 6:54:11

Artist: Kola Kid
Title: square spooner fisher pusher
Source: Oban Star Racers
Tags: breakcore ending yoko kanno waratteta nold_1702 senaya
BPM: 160
Filesize: 3572kb
Play Time: 02:26
Difficulties Available:
  1. Calm (3,02 stars, 165 notes)
  2. Endless (5 stars, 559 notes)
  3. Nold (4,97 stars, 422 notes)
Download: Kola Kid - square spooner fisher pusher
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Never regret yesterday. Life is in you today and you make your tomorrow. - L. Ron Hubbard
Original song: Yoko Kanno - Waratteta
Calm made by senaya
Nold made by nold_1702
Last edited by Kert , edited 45 times in total.
Backfire
3,204 posts
Joined February 2010
Backfire
I can make taiko? .w.
Kert
2,079 posts
Joined June 2009
Topic Starter
Kert
Sorry, but I asked Mapper_31 to make it.. He is more into retro stuff
senaya
osu! Alumni
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Joined March 2010
senaya
i listen to this every day.
vipto
716 posts
Joined May 2011
vipto
Wanna see more Kert gogo :3
_index
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РАНКАЙ СКОРЕЕ ЙОПТА
TicClick
Global Moderator
4,422 posts
Joined February 2011
TicClick
Зачем тебе превью в начале песни? Впрочем, она повторяется же.

  1. 00:19:564 (1,2) - не совсем нравится эта конструкция
  2. 00:25:001 (3) - я бы тут слайдер начал
  3. 00:30:064 (3,1) - так и надо? Мне кажется, надо либо стакнуть, либо сделать более явным, как 00:36:064 (2,1)
  4. 00:49:189 (2) - http://puu.sh/utxr? А то он ни так, ни сяк
  5. 01:04:939 (2) - сюда просится слайдер с повторами (можно 1/8)
  6. 01:07:001 (5,6) - 5 в два раза короче, чем 6, и переход с него на следующий неудобно ловить. Я бы поступил так, чтобы поднять читаемость: http://osu.ppy.sh/ss/315421
  7. 02:14:314 (3,4) - играется немного странновато, но не меняй
А ещё мне не нравится столько финишей из обычного сета. Они создают постоянный шум, который глушит трек, поэтому предлагаю заменить их на что-нибудь (например, на мягкие финиши, уменьшив при этом громкость и расставив их пореже).
aoimotion
49 posts
Joined September 2011
aoimotion
Awesome!

By the chance, do you need any guest diff?
Ulysses
1,911 posts
Joined September 2010
Ulysses
Here we go ;)
[VANOMAS]
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Joined July 2012
[VANOMAS]
КК вообще охуенный, жаль карт маловато с ним
ziliboba713
74 posts
Joined June 2011
ziliboba713
Это Win!
senaya
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Joined March 2010
senaya
Возьми этот Кольская ребенком - квадратных Спунер рыбака толкатель [Успокоиться]
https://dl.dropbox.com/u/27655453/maps/ ... re1302.rar
Jinxy
2,777 posts
Joined February 2009
Jinxy
[Calm]
00:43:564 (5,1) - Switch NC around so it's on the downbeat?

[nold]
00:06:439 (1) - I don't see the need for a NC here.
00:07:564 (1) - I think this would look better if you curved it a little so it doesn't overlap 00:07:189 (5), since the overlap is too small to be an important map design and leaving it like that just looks bad. You can also make 00:08:314 (4) blanket it if you curve it.
SPOILER
I also moved the last sliderpoint of 00:08:314 (4) 1 grid left, grid level 4 and it blankets pretty well.
00:08:876 (1,2) - Switch NC around so it's on the downbeat? It fits the voice too.
00:14:689 (4,1) - ^, so it's consistent with the NC on 00:16:564 (1).
00:24:439 (1) - I don't see the need for a NC here, other than the tiny jump between this and the slider before it, and I don't see why that's there either.
00:36:439 (6) - NC here, so the size is more consistent with the other combos.
01:43:939 (1) - Doesn't need NC, I feel
01:49:939 (1) - ^
01:55:939 (1) - ^ Really, why are the NCs here? I don't hear anything majorly different.
I can't say I like the spacing at the end, but it's playable.

[Endless]
00:18:814 (1) - Doesn't need NC, I feel.
00:23:126 (1) - ^
You're NCs are consistent, with 1 per large white tick, until 00:28:189 (1) - 00:37:377 (5) where I'm not sure where you're going with the NCs? They feel kinda random.
Same for 00:43:939 (1) - 00:49:564 (3).


Other than NC oddities, the map's pretty good. The 1/8s with slightly different repeats like 00:35:689 (1,2) in Endless tripped me up a little, though.
Meru
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Joined March 2012
Meru
hi Kert! I want to have M4M with you from your MQ~ but I'm sorry if my mod is not in your expectation, I'm still learning with this kind of things lol

whoa, I rarely often song like this on osu! o.o

[General]
it only my opinions, but normal-hitnormal here is being too noisy, and I can't hear the drum hit from the song well because it was covered by... ahh the sound from normal, it feels like dominating the song itself, how about use drum sampleset instead? you still can change the normal-hitclap and normal-hitwhistle to drum-
But if you don't like it then please at least reduce the volume a little lol

[Calm]
  1. 00:15:814 (4) - do you mind to stack it with (1) instead
  2. 01:47:314 - miss a beat here? and also here 01:47:501
  3. 02:10:189 - ^ uhm if you add objects here, perhaps this pattern is acceptable http://puu.sh/26SsL
[Nold]
  1. This diff didn't have kiai time, please set it
  2. 00:01:564 (1) - put a finish
  3. 00:04:564 (1) - ^
  4. 00:10:564 (2) - ^
  5. 00:16:564 (1) - ^
  6. 00:22:564 (1) - ^
  7. 00:34:564 (1) - ^
  8. 00:40:564 (1) - ^
  9. 00:46:564 (1) - ^
  10. 00:40:564 (5) - move to x:270 y:169? it more neat I think lol
  11. 01:04:189 (4) & 01:04:376 - clap? just like before break and also add an object there? with clap ofc
  12. 01:04:564 (1) - finish
  13. 01:11:314 (1,2) - clap
  14. 01:13:564 (1) - finish
  15. 01:16:564 (1) - ^
  16. 01:16:189 (3) - same with 01:04:189 (4) & 01:04:376
  17. 01:30:064 (1) - finish
  18. 01:36:064 (1) - ^
  19. 01:42:064 (1) - ^
  20. 02:00:064 (1) - ^
  21. 02:06:064 (1) - ^
  22. 02:12:064 (1) - ^
[Endless]
  1. Is OD 9 too high? since this diff have a lot of 1/8, I believe 100 will often appear. at least reduce it by 1
  2. 00:04:564 (1) - put a finish
  3. 00:16:564 (1) - ^
  4. 00:19:376 (4) - put a clap
  5. 00:24:626 (1) - ^
  6. 00:25:189 (4) - ^
  7. 00:35:126 (7) - ^
  8. 00:35:689 (1) - ^
  9. 00:36:064 (1) - ^
  10. 00:36:626 (1) - ^
  11. 01:13:564 (1) - put a finish
  12. 01:42:064 (1) - ^
  13. 01:48:626 (3) - put a clap
  14. 01:49:564 (1) - ^
  15. 01:50:126 (2) - ^
  16. 01:58:189 (8) - ^


I'm sorry, I couldn't find important things since I'm not similiar with this kind of genre, but this song is awesome :o (anyway this beatmap is close to flawless)
V E
187 posts
Joined March 2011
V E
hi, from huequehehe

calm

01:46:939 (2) - move to 01:47:126, also move possition x:320 y :44
01:52:564 (3) - move to 01:52:189, also add note on 01:52:939
02:10:189 - add note?

Nold

good, but too much short combo, also make a kiai time although it short... i don't mind about hitsound

Endless

somewhat clap pattern change... make it consistant, since the music also..
00:10:564 (1) - remove clap?
00:11:876 (4) - add clap on slider head?
00:12:626 (2) - add clap?
00:45:439 - it's really not good, please make a note or slider to fill in
some clap that need to be add or remove :P

that's all, thanks~
Ulysses
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Ulysses
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Wafu
1,703 posts
Joined June 2011
Wafu
Black - Suggestion
Blue - I highly recommend you to fix
Red - Unrankable

[Calm]

Make kiais the same as Nold difficulty!
I'm a bit unsure if I would use so high AR on such calm song.
00:03:814 (5,2) - This overlap can be prevented really easily so move it somewhere, maybe something like 153;199
00:09:064 (3) - Play this and carefully listen to music. You can notice that on 00:09:439 is something like break or such stuff, but you change this slider to clear shape. If you'd use CTRL+J, then CTRL+G and move it back on original position it would work really cool, because red points makes just awesome sharp shape which fits with such break.
00:15:814 (4) - There is a problem while playing because of such high AR. Player can be confused with this stack and could click earlier because of speed of approach circle. Consider moving it somewhere or decrease AR.
00:22:564 (1,2) - These sliders seems to have center points on weird position so slider has weird shape. I think clear shape fits really more.
SPOILER
01:43:189 (2) - This note has slider which ends on red tick so space between these notes is unusual so newbies can easily miss this. To prevent confusing new players could be removing this circle and adding repeat on 01:42:064 (1).
01:54:439 (2,3) - Move slider's end on 238;63 (or press CTRL+G twice, to move ending point on center of slider's circle), then move 01:55:189 (3) on 238;63 for perfect stack.
02:08:126 (5) - Move this on 182;188 to clearly follow 02:07:564 (4)
02:16:564 (3,4) - I feel these sliders deserves symmetry, but maybe it's my own feel.

[Nold]

If you haven't fixed kiais on another difficulties, make these same as on Endless diff.
00:02:126 (2) - This overlap is really unnecessary and looks bad while playing. Consider moving this slider on 349;290 it will also make stack with (1) which flows perfectly.
00:15:439 (5) - Move this circle on 49;224 to make better blanket and also perfect triangle pattern with previous note and next slider.
00:21:064 (1,2) - Prevent this overlap. It's really weird when the start circle of slider is hidden.
00:42:814 (3) - Move this on 427;158 to make awesome blanket with 00:42:064 (1). Currently it's unsymmetrical.
00:47:689 (7) - The same problem as 00:02:126 (2)
00:48:439 (1,2,3,4,5) - This pattern is quite unsymmetrical and how could I say it.. it flows bad because all these circles touches themselves and I kinda feel it's unnecessary. Just suggestion, but consider something like this or at least make it symmetrical.
SPOILER
01:24:907 - There could be note because stream starts on 01:24:814 in music.
02:02:689 (4) - Move on 316;328 to don't break linear pattern and consistent DS.
02:27:064 - This green point is unnecessary, doesn't work. Remove it.
02:27:157 - ^

I'm not sure about some NCs, but I guess it's not such deal.

[Endless]

Make kiais the same as Nold difficulty!
00:19:939 (2) - Move this on 221;72 or something like this, because it's visualy consistent distance as all of your streams in this difficulty. Really it's another snap, but visualy it could follow streams like 00:22:189 (5,6,7,8) etc. It's always better when you're consistent with whole map.
00:45:439 (3) - If you listen to music, there is 1/4 stream. Make 1/4 slider from this with 1 repeat. The same as 00:44:876 (1).
SPOILER
00:49:564 (3) - I feel this one breaks flow a bit and I think it's even more better when this circle is on the same position as 00:49:001 (1) or maybe on 00:49:189 (2) 's start. Probably my own problem, but I don't like when it's above this slider, that's all.
01:01:189 (2) - I'd make 1/4 stream starting on 01:01:189, ending on 01:01:470 instead of this, because it imo follows music better.
SPOILER
01:10:939 (2) - For this slider fits even more this, because on 01:10:939 starts something like really short and rare cymbal which imo deserves rare slider
SPOILER
01:26:689 (1,2,3,4) - I guess this stack is unnecessary and you almost always use normal stream which you could use even here, because this totaly doesn't need it.
02:15:064 (1) - I think this slider doesn't fit music, there are not breaks or some rare sounds to use sharp shapes. I recommend you to make normal slider liek 02:18:064 (1) from it.
02:16:939 (3) - ^
senaya
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senaya

JInxyjem wrote:

[Calm]
00:43:564 (5,1) - Switch NC around so it's on the downbeat? true, fixed

Matoryoshika wrote:

[Calm]
  1. 00:15:814 (4) - do you mind to stack it with (1) instead won't change this because Kert
  2. 01:47:314 - miss a beat here? and also here 01:47:501 i was kinda planning to follow lyrics there >_>
  3. 02:10:189 - ^ uhm if you add objects here, perhaps this pattern is acceptable http://puu.sh/26SsL also lyrics

selova wrote:

[Calm]
01:46:939 (2) - move to 01:47:126, also move possition x:320 y :44 following lyrics
01:52:564 (3) - move to 01:52:189, also add note on 01:52:939 also following lyrics
02:10:189 - add note? added.

Wafu wrote:

[Calm]
Make kiais the same as Nold difficulty! leaving this to Kert to decide.
I'm a bit unsure if I would use so high AR on such calm song. AR-1 done.
00:03:814 (5,2) - This overlap can be prevented really easily so move it somewhere, maybe something like 153;199 you gave me a link to 2 notes and you're asking me to move "it" somewhere so there won't be an overlap? sorry, but i don't understand what is "it" though i moved slider and changed its shape.
00:09:064 (3) - Play this and carefully listen to music. You can notice that on 00:09:439 is something like break or such stuff, but you change this slider to clear shape. If you'd use CTRL+J, then CTRL+G and move it back on original position it would work really cool, because red points makes just awesome sharp shape which fits with such break. done
00:15:814 (4) - There is a problem while playing because of such high AR. Player can be confused with this stack and could click earlier because of speed of approach circle. Consider moving it somewhere or decrease AR. keeping it for now though.
00:22:564 (1,2) - These sliders seems to have center points on weird position so slider has weird shape. I think clear shape fits really more.
SPOILER
you are not showing me the nodes though. i have to guess where i have to put them =_= tried to fix them as much as i could, so..
01:43:189 (2) - This note has slider which ends on red tick so space between these notes is unusual so newbies can easily miss this. To prevent confusing new players could be removing this circle and adding repeat on 01:42:064 (1). i don't think it's THAT HARD.
01:54:439 (2,3) - Move slider's end on 238;63 (or press CTRL+G twice, to move ending point on center of slider's circle), then move 01:55:189 (3) on 238;63 for perfect stack. done, though i don't see how it's any better now.
02:08:126 (5) - Move this on 182;188 to clearly follow 02:07:564 (4) i don't like how it looks. keeping as it is.
02:16:564 (3,4) - I feel these sliders deserves symmetry, but maybe it's my own feel. intended. not changed.
phew, all done. i also fixed some sound patterns so now hitsounds are more consistent :3
https://dl.dropbox.com/u/27655453/maps/ ... re2402.rar
Kert
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Joined June 2009
Topic Starter
Kert
2JInxyjem: The part you mentioned was emphasizing the pattern used there. I think NCs are fine
2Matoryoshika: Tried reducing the volume, but really can't hear a lot of difference lol I will ask friends about this. No changes for hitsounds
2selova: The place where you told me to put a circle is intended to be a short pause and I like it a lot this way :p
I also tried changing hitsounds as you told me, but I still prefer it as it is now
2Wafu: I explained a couple of things I haven't fixed in-game to you :] But I fixed spacing after short slider with repeats and changed a few linear sliders to those "rare" sliders

Aaand I fixed remaining bad flow patterns that no one mentioned yet \:D/

Thanks for the mods!
Ulysses
1,911 posts
Joined September 2010
Ulysses

Wafu wrote:

Black - Suggestion
Blue - I highly recommend you to fix
Red - Unrankable

[Nold]

If you haven't fixed kiais on another difficulties, make these same as on Endless diff. :arrow: Why should it be consistant?..
00:02:126 (2) - This overlap is really unnecessary and looks bad while playing. Consider moving this slider on 349;290 it will also make stack with (1) which flows perfectly. :arrow: nope...my pattern is more aesthetic than yours IMO
00:15:439 (5) - Move this circle on 49;224 to make better blanket and also perfect triangle pattern with previous note and next slider. :arrow: ok
00:21:064 (1,2) - Prevent this overlap. It's really weird when the start circle of slider is hidden. :arrow: It is not hidden!
00:42:814 (3) - Move this on 427;158 to make awesome blanket with 00:42:064 (1). Currently it's unsymmetrical. :arrow: good
00:47:689 (7) - The same problem as 00:02:126 (2) :arrow: The same answer as 00:02:126 (2)
00:48:439 (1,2,3,4,5) - This pattern is quite unsymmetrical and how could I say it.. it flows bad because all these circles touches themselves and I kinda feel it's unnecessary. Just suggestion, but consider something like this or at least make it symmetrical.
SPOILER
:arrow: good
01:24:907 - There could be note because stream starts on 01:24:814 in music. :arrow: ????
02:02:689 (4) - Move on 316;328 to don't break linear pattern and consistent DS. :arrow: oppp yes!~
02:27:064 - This green point is unnecessary, doesn't work. Remove it. :arrow: no
02:27:157 - ^ :arrow: ^

I'm not sure about some NCs, but I guess it's not such deal.
http://puu.sh/286Ph

Here you go kert!
Also thanks for mod.
Pokie
osu! Alumni
2,630 posts
Joined December 2009
Pokie
Request from BanchoBot - I mean...Random modding \:D/

　General

  1. Apparently, the diff spread isn't in a good average. We can find there is a huge diff gap between Calm and Nold. I highly recommend to add a new Normal diff for your mapset.

　Calm


  1. 00:15:814 (4) - It's not a good choice to stack 2/1 notes together. Notes will be completely covered by previous hitburst, which may cause a hard time for newbies. Personally I will suggest to place it under 00:13:564 (1) - , and here's screenshots + codes. // fixed spacing until 00:21:814 -
    SPOILER

    248,220,15814,1,2,0:0:0:0:
    160,24,16564,6,0,B|53:59|44:172,1,200,4|2,0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
    0,280,17689,1,0,0:0:0:0:
    80,352,18064,2,0,B|144:383|215:326|276:343,1,200,4|2,0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
    384,364,19189,1,0,0:0:0:0:
    344,256,19564,6,0,B|408:148|536:180,2,200,4|2|0,0:0|0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
    384,364,21439,1,0,0:0:0:0:
    480,308,21814,1,2,0:0:0:0:

    00:43:564 (1) - ^, similar issue...but this could be ignored.
    01:27:064 (1) - hmm...It's the first note right after a spinner. Better move it to a location which is around center's point. For example:
    SPOILER

    01:54:439 (2,3) - Circles shouldn't be stacked under a slider's tail, for easiest difficulty. I suggest to replace with a 3/2 slider here.


    02:09:439 (2,3) - ^, same here.
    02:20:314 (3) - A sliderwhistle sounds unnecessary here, is it on purpose?

　Nold

  1. \(^o^)/
  2. Lead-in加到2000
    00:28:939 (1) - 相比之前既pattern, 呢到spacing太低....至少開到1.10x
    00:42:626 (2,3) - 放大小小spacing? 同前面個(1)癡得太埋...
    01:38:970 - 移呢條線去01:39:064 - , kiai早左1/4開始
    02:04:564 (5) - NC, 同combo既話會以為係jump orz

　Endless

  1. According to the music, most of the rhythm are misplaced or off-beat'd. And parts of them are just overmapped :(
    For some examples on first 5 seconds:
    00:01:751 - Should be a triple here
    00:03:251 - 1/8
    00:05:314 - 1/8
    00:05:689 - 1/2 or 1/4
    00:05:876 - 1/8
    =
    01:34:001 (7,8,9,10,11) - These should be 1/2
    　
  2. Plus, some 1/8 slider's length are totally random
    For example:
    01:37:564 (5,6) - 1 repeat for (5), and 3 for (6). That doesn't make sense.
    　
  3. And for placement of notes, they are mainly lack of "cleanliness". Which look like they're repeating a same pattern but randomly placed.
    　
    00:45:439 - Since there is a long break ~2 stanza later, does it really needs a 2/1 break here?

senaya and nold's diffs are both enough for ranking, but seriously speaking, I really have doubt on your own Insane. :(

So...Good luck to you!
Kert
2,079 posts
Joined June 2009
Topic Starter
Kert
2Pokie
Request from BanchoBot - I mean...Random modding \:D/ o/

　General

  1. Apparently, the diff spread isn't in a good average. We can find there is a huge diff gap between Calm and Nold. I highly recommend to add a new Normal diff for your mapset.
I'd say a gap between Calm and Nold is the same as the gap between Nold and Endless. I think that makes sense :D (also Calm is supposed to be a normal diff so)

　Endless

  1. According to the music, over 50% of the rhythm are misplaced or off-beat'd. And parts of them are just overmapped :(
    But it's not misplaced, it's meant to be like that. I don't think mappers should follow every single beat in the song to make the map fun and enjoyable to play. I gradually made the rhythm patterns more complex. Otherwise the map would be pretty boring because the song repeats itself quite a lot of times and not much changes throughout it.
    Oh and if you map every single beat it's more awkward to play the map, probably not even sightreadable well
    For some examples on first 5 seconds:
    00:01:751 - Should be a triple here
    00:03:251 - 1/8
    00:05:314 - 1/8
    00:05:689 - 1/2 or 1/4 there is that trrrrrrrrr sound in the background here
    00:05:876 - 1/8
    I didn't change anything else because of the reasons described above ^
    =
    01:34:001 (7,8,9,10,11) - These should be 1/2 While I agree this is overmapped but it still makes sense to me and to all people I know who playtested it. And it gives variety to the rhythm followed
    　
  2. Plus, some 1/8 slider's length are totally random
    For example:
    01:37:564 (5,6) - 1 repeat for (5), and 3 for (6). That doesn't make sense. Oops, my bad :D Fix'd
    　
  3. And for placement of notes, they are mainly lack of "cleanliness". Which look like they're repeating a same pattern but randomly placed.
    Can you be more specific? Maybe some examples of what I can change to what. I don't get it. I follow the style I am using for Kola Kid maps making use of similar slider shapes and flow patterns. It's working very well I think
    　
    00:45:439 - Since there is a long break ~2 stanza later, does it really needs a 2/1 break here?
It's pretty cool as I was told by my friends who first saw it :D And yeah I like it too

So...Good luck to you!
Thanks!
Ulysses
1,911 posts
Joined September 2010
Ulysses

Pokie wrote:

　Nold

  1. \(^o^)/ :arrow: \(^_^)/
  2. Lead-in加到2000 :arrow: Yes madam!
    00:28:939 (1) - 相比之前既pattern, 呢到spacing太低....至少開到1.10x :arrow: :D Great
    00:42:626 (2,3) - 放大小小spacing? 同前面個(1)癡得太埋... :arrow: 呢個note同slider我想做一個blanket~如果遠左難d控制pattern同埋blanket 效果冇咁好><
    01:38:970 - 移呢條線去01:39:064 - , kiai早左1/4開始 :arrow: oppppp my wrong xpp changed
    02:04:564 (5) - NC, 同combo既話會以為係jump orz :arrow: ok :p
Changed:
Lead-in:from0 to 2000
fixed one wrong kiai time section
00:28:939 (1) -bigger spacing
02:04:564 (5) -added NC.

http://puu.sh/2aFKy

thanks
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senaya
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Pokie wrote:

[Calm]
  1. 00:15:814 (4) - It's not a good choice to stack 2/1 notes together. Notes will be completely covered by previous hitburst, which may cause a hard time for newbies. Personally I will suggest to place it under 00:13:564 (1) - , and here's screenshots + codes. // fixed spacing until 00:21:814 - fixed it much faster
    SPOILER

    248,220,15814,1,2,0:0:0:0:
    160,24,16564,6,0,B|53:59|44:172,1,200,4|2,0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
    0,280,17689,1,0,0:0:0:0:
    80,352,18064,2,0,B|144:383|215:326|276:343,1,200,4|2,0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
    384,364,19189,1,0,0:0:0:0:
    344,256,19564,6,0,B|408:148|536:180,2,200,4|2|0,0:0|0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
    384,364,21439,1,0,0:0:0:0:
    480,308,21814,1,2,0:0:0:0:

    00:43:564 (1) - ^, similar issue...but this could be ignored. fixed
    01:27:064 (1) - hmm...It's the first note right after a spinner. Better move it to a location which is around center's point. For example: your suggestion makes it very hard to read becasue of spinner's hitburst http://puu.sh/2aFEp. i'll move it closer my way.
    SPOILER

    01:54:439 (2,3) - Circles shouldn't be stacked under a slider's tail, for easiest difficulty. I suggest to replace with a 3/2 slider here. changed (even though i don't like how it sounds now, i decided not to hold Kert from ranking.)


    02:09:439 (2,3) - ^, same here. unstacked, but keeping both slider and circle because fits well with music.
    02:20:314 (3) - A sliderwhistle sounds unnecessary here, is it on purpose? no, not intended. removed.
thanks.
link: https://dl.dropbox.com/u/27655453/maps/ ... re0203.rar
 
Kert
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It's not such big deal if you're not intended to change them, I was just spreading out my own thought, so please don't worry. Everyone have respectively thinking, I was like giving a reminder rather than forcing you to do something according to my opinion.

And actually, you've tired to create your own rhythm and you found it's way better than following the music exactly. Sounds like nothing wrong here, but, although rhythm of the song is kinda complicated, it has a regular patterns. But you're now doing something out of them, in a straight words: it looks like mapping on another song.

But well, just take it easy. :D


For diffs spread: From my own sight, the spread of this mapset was like: Calm<<<<Nold<<Endless
Nold's diff contains tons of overlaps, few streams, and with AR8. I would call it an easy Insane but not Hard.
But Calm is an easy Normal, even I can tell it's just an Easy. The gap between them is more bigger than you imagined imo >_<.

For the patterns...idk if you know "Flow" which used to explain a feeling from patterns. And I found some of your patterns are breaking it.
Some examples here:
00:12:439 (1,2,3,4,5,6) - Uneven spacings, and without a "shape". Solution: Split them three in a group, making two triangle patterns may makes sense "for my own". http://puu.sh/2aH7S
00:26:689 (8,1) - You've used a huge spacing here when the music doesn't give any support for it. Solution: Move it to a suitable place, it would be much more better if related to last pattern too. http://puu.sh/2aHeS
01:06:251 (1,2,3,4) - Random jumps, and (3,4) even reaches 6.29x of spacing. It's kinda awkward when it's used for only once if the whole song keeps repeating.

========
And I found I've missed something here:

01:07:189 (6) - The slider's reverse is covered by hitburst, which is an unrankable issue.



So, that's all of my opinions :D I-I tired not to be hated, but I'll just leave a star mark and a kds star here. Forgive me /runs
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And actually, you've tired to create your own rhythm and you found it's way better than following the music exactly. Sounds like nothing wrong here, but, although rhythm of the song is kinda complicated, it has a regular patterns. But you're now doing something out of them, in a straight words: it looks like mapping on another song. Probably it's just that different people hear the song in a different way :p
I map the most important parts of the rhythm to give the map the same feeling as the song

For diffs spread: From my own sight, the spread of this mapset was like: Calm<<<<Nold<<Endless
Nold's diff contains tons of overlaps, few streams, and with AR8. I would call it an easy Insane but not Hard.
But Calm is an easy Normal, even I can tell it's just an Easy. The gap between them is more bigger than you imagined imo >_<.
I call the diff gap equal because there are almost no triplets/streams in Nold's diff at all, it's just hard for sightreading, and that's it. Nold said AR7 works too, but AR8 is better. I can understand.. because overlaps and stuff

For the patterns...idk if you know "Flow" which used to explain a feeling from patterns. And I found some of your patterns are breaking it.
Some examples here:
00:12:439 (1,2,3,4,5,6) - Uneven spacings, and without a "shape". Solution: Split them three in a group, making two triangle patterns may makes sense "for my own". http://puu.sh/2aH7S Changed a little. But it's actually the same spacing-decreasing pattern as this one 00:06:064 (1,2,3,4,5,6) -
I was thiking about something else in these parts before, but decided not to use "sharp" flow changes, so it's just circular smooth motion
00:26:689 (8,1) - You've used a huge spacing here when the music doesn't give any support for it. Solution: Move it to a suitable place, it would be much more better if related to last pattern too. http://puu.sh/2aHeS I think there is support in the music for it \:D/ I used this jump at the same part in the song in the beginning 00:02:689 (5,1) -
01:06:251 (1,2,3,4) - Random jumps, and (3,4) even reaches 6.29x of spacing. It's kinda awkward when it's used for only once if the whole song keeps repeating. It is as intense as this part 01:18:251 (1,2,3,1,2,1) - Not that large spacing though.
Btw there are only 2 parts of such kind in the song and I think they are the "peaks" of it \o/

01:07:189 (6) - The slider's reverse is covered by hitburst, which is an unrankable issue. Remapped a part before it~
Thanks! Useful suggestions~
vipto
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Kert pls

m4m

The difficulty jump Between Nold and Calm is too big. Add another diff between them.

[Endless]

00:06:626 (2) - Move up a bit
00:35:689 (1) - Extend this one by one 1/8 tick?
00:43:939 (1) - Move up a bit
00:45:814 - Are you missing notes here? If not: This break is kinda weird
00:47:689 (1) - Same as above
01:05:126 (3,4) - These are kinda weird. Better map the 1/8 streams in the background
02:14:689 (4) - Reverse
02:20:126 (4) - Circle on 02:20:126 - 1/1 Slider on 02:19:939 (3) - Circle on 02:20:876 -

Not much.
Great Work!



[Nold]

Excellent work! Wont find much.

01:24:814 - Stream starts here



[Calm]

Fine ~
Ulysses
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vipto wrote:

[Nold]


01:24:814 - Stream starts here :arrow: I know it but I want to shaping out the piano sounds.
Kert
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The difficulty jump Between Nold and Calm is too big. Add another diff between them. Read above
[Endless]

00:06:626 (2) - Move up a bit Tried, spacing goes too large
00:35:689 (1) - Extend this one by one 1/8 tick? Would be too little time for an upcoming jump
00:43:939 (1) - Move up a bit It's fine for me
00:45:814 - Are you missing notes here? If not: This break is kinda weird Read posts above
00:47:689 (1) - Same as above ^
01:05:126 (3,4) - These are kinda weird. Better map the 1/8 streams in the background I think they're ok!
02:14:689 (4) - Reverse Intended to be like this
02:20:126 (4) - Circle on 02:20:126 - 1/1 Slider on 02:19:939 (3) - Circle on 02:20:876 - I like my combination more

Not much.
Great Work!
Thanks
happy30
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[Calm]
Reduce the HP drain a bit? it's quite high for the easiest diff
this sounds silly but can you make the diff's star rating below 3.00? it's 3.02 right now >_>

[Nold]
00:21:626 (2) - bad overlap, can you move this a bit further away?
00:24:814 (3,4,5) - this doesn't look good. can you fix these overlaps?
01:25:564 (1,2,3) - ^

raise OD by 1

[Kertwaii]
01:28:001 (7) - this is too easy to sliderbreak. can you kill a few repeats or remove the jump to the next note?
01:40:001 (9) - ^

fun map
Ulysses
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[Nold]
00:21:626 (2) - bad overlap, can you move this a bit further away? :arrow: Done
00:24:814 (3,4,5) - this doesn't look good. can you fix these overlaps? :arrow: Done
01:25:564 (1,2,3) - ^ :arrow: Hmmm...I want to keep it since it gives me the right feelling :/

raise OD by 1 :arrow: done
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Kert
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I've tried shortening sliders and similar stuff on my diff, but it just sounds wrong no matter what I do.
And deleting jumps just makes the map inconsistent and removes the tension on these parts D:
But yeah, updated with bros' fixes
Thanks!
happy30
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here you go!
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My only complaint lies in the AR of [Calm], as it is on the low side. I'd use AR 4.
My apologies, I cannot find anything else worthy of mention.
Kert
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OK, changed~
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You haven't ;w; http://puu.sh/2h4cr
Kert
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Excuse me. I forgot that 4th tick is AR3 and not AR4
senaya
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b-baka! :D
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Here you go, map plays great .
Andrea
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I'm falling in love with this song and beatmap, really nice job. <3
Goodbye Shin
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Finally ranked, gratz poconi! I senaya.
Ulysses
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why did you let this damn rank our lovely map?
Kert
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Yeah~
Thanks everyone!

2nold: I don't get what you mean
happy30
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gratz kert! :D
wendao
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osu! need more Kola Kid

`-`
AlphaWaves
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Congratz, awesome map.
pregnant_man
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Конграч жи!
Wafu
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Gratz~
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