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Nightwish - She Is My Sin [Taiko]

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Nardoxyribonucleic
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This beatmap was submitted using in-game submission on 2017年1月14日 at 15:42:34

Artist: Nightwish
Title: She Is My Sin
Tags: Taiko Wishmaster Tarja gothic symphonic metal Nwolf Ntiger
BPM: 153.31
Filesize: 6444kb
Play Time: 04:39
Difficulties Available:
  1. Futsuu (2.22 stars, 707 notes)
  2. Inner Oni (4.82 stars, 1600 notes)
  3. Kantan (1.45 stars, 380 notes)
  4. Nwolf's Muzukashii (2.94 stars, 1118 notes)
  5. Oni (3.89 stars, 1476 notes)
Download: Nightwish - She Is My Sin
Information: Scores/Beatmap Listing
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#28 - Taiko mapset
BG - 100%
Kantan - 100%
Futsuu - 100%
Nwolf's Muzukashii - 100% (by Ntiger)
Oni - 100%
Inner Oni - 100%
Last edited by Nardoxyribonucleic , edited 11 times in total.
Raiden
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Raiden
Nardo mapping symphonic metal????????????????????????????????????????

*spams stars*
Nardoxyribonucleic
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Nardoxyribonucleic

Raiden wrote:

Nardo mapping symphonic metal????????????????????????????????????????

*spams stars*
Yep, thanks for the stars lol

The set is now ready for mods.
frukoyurdakul
641 posts
Joined December 2015
frukoyurdakul
Hello from my modding queue!

General
May be i am wrong but i think timing is a bit off between 00:23:860 - here and 00:25:428 - here.

I think futsuu and kantan are ok.

Muzukashii
04:08:561 - Omit bar line.
04:09:329 - ^

(referenced by Oni) Why at the beginning this diff has opposite finishers? I didn't understand.

00:24:644 (71,72,73) - ddd
00:25:036 (74) - finisher
01:09:148 (124,125) - ctrl + g because of the higher vocals.
Oni
00:12:067 (30,31,32,33,34) - kkddk is more convinient because the drum attack is 2 snares, 2 kicks and a snare.
00:15:528 - May be you skipped this drum note on purpose because the diff's name is Oni, but i suggest putting a d here.
00:23:958 (86) - k
00:31:408 - Since you followed the guitar and drum sounds together, i suggest putting a k here because of the slight guitar sound.
00:39:054 - add d
00:40:623 - ^
00:42:191 - ^
00:44:446 - There is a drum kick sound here, so i suggest a d note here but blank is good too.
00:47:190 (212) - cymbal sound, fill finisher.
00:56:601 (257) - ^
01:06:012 (313) - ^
01:22:676 (396) - There is no guitar, vocal or drum sound (kick) here.
01:34:243 (452) - There is no drum sound here.
01:34:635 - There is a kick sound, but i believe you skipped it on purpose again.
01:40:321 (487,488) - Since the drum sounds here are not snares, i recommend dd.
01:46:791 (524) - Same as 01:34:243.
01:51:790 (552) - k
01:58:848 (594) - There is no drum sound here. But the pattern looks good, just saying.
02:15:022 (689) - cymbal sound, fill finisher.
02:20:610 (722) - same as 01:58:848.
02:31:687 - Before this one there are no kick sounds either so i thought that you followed vocals, but at this one there are no vocals too.
02:36:098 (801) - k
02:37:176 - Since the chorus parts (kiai times) has %95 percent same sounds, the suggests i've made before are the same for this one.
03:14:034 (1045) - Well, this one has a snare sound too, but more than 5 k notes sounds bad I know.
03:15:897 - I thought that you followed drums and guitar sounds at this section so, there is a kick note here. I recommend putting a d note here.
03:16:681 - ^
03:17:465 - ^
04:08:153 - After this section, the drums are going all the way with twin kicks. So i would recommend making these patterns more intense, harder.

Forgot about muzukashii, it was nwolf's :D Anyway, nice mapset and excellent song :) Hope my mod helps ~
Nardoxyribonucleic
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frukoyurdakul wrote:

Hello from my modding queue!

General
May be i am wrong but i think timing is a bit off between 00:23:860 - here and 00:25:428 - here. I had noticed it while mapping. Maybe I will find a timing expert later.

I think futsuu and kantan are ok.

Oni
00:12:067 (30,31,32,33,34) - kkddk is more convinient because the drum attack is 2 snares, 2 kicks and a snare. I would prefer keeping kdddk as the snares at 00:12:067 and 00:12:447 - are far more prominent.
00:15:528 - May be you skipped this drum note on purpose because the diff's name is Oni, but i suggest putting a d here. Nope, I skipped the beat for the sake of a lower note density here.
00:23:958 (86) - k same as 00:12:067 -
00:31:408 - Since you followed the guitar and drum sounds together, i suggest putting a k here because of the slight guitar sound. Hmm, retained to keep it consistent with the break at 00:28:271 -
00:39:054 - add d The 1/1 break here is intentional since the pace of music is slower compared to the previous session.
00:40:623 - ^ ^
00:42:191 - ^ ^
00:44:446 - There is a drum kick sound here, so i suggest a d note here but blank is good too. Kept the break there.
00:47:190 (212) - cymbal sound, fill finisher. Not a fan of following all of the cymbals with finish. I would prefer following the most important ones only to maintain a better note structure.
00:56:601 (257) - ^ ^
01:06:012 (313) - ^ ^
01:22:676 (396) - There is no guitar, vocal or drum sound (kick) here. There is a light cymbal.
01:34:243 (452) - There is no drum sound here. ^
01:34:635 - There is a kick sound, but i believe you skipped it on purpose again. Yes.
01:40:321 (487,488) - Since the drum sounds here are not snares, i recommend dd. I see your point. But I think the reduction from kkkkd to kkd is more intuitive.
01:46:791 (524) - Same as 01:34:243. same as 01:34:243 (452) -
01:51:790 (552) - k same as 00:12:067 -
01:58:848 (594) - There is no drum sound here. But the pattern looks good, just saying. It serves as an increase in note density compared to the previous similar part.
02:15:022 (689) - cymbal sound, fill finisher. same as 00:47:190 (212) -
02:20:610 (722) - same as 01:58:848. same as 01:58:848 (594) -
02:31:687 - Before this one there are no kick sounds either so i thought that you followed vocals, but at this one there are no vocals too. same as 01:22:676 (396) -
02:36:098 (801) - k d would still flow smoothly and provide a bit more variety.
02:37:176 - Since the chorus parts (kiai times) has %95 percent same sounds, the suggests i've made before are the same for this one. What are you referring to? I do not have any sessions with 95% volume.
03:14:034 (1045) - Well, this one has a snare sound too, but more than 5 k notes sounds bad I know. d would still fit taking pitch changes into consideration.
03:15:897 - I thought that you followed drums and guitar sounds at this section so, there is a kick note here. I recommend putting a d note here. This would be a bit overdone and take away the emphasis of the 3rd kiai imo.
03:16:681 - ^ ^
03:17:465 - ^ ^
04:08:153 - After this section, the drums are going all the way with twin kicks. So i would recommend making these patterns more intense, harder. I think the current intensity is enough considering that this kiai is a way denser than the 1st and 2nd ones.

Forgot about muzukashii, it was nwolf's :D Anyway, nice mapset and excellent song :) Hope my mod helps ~
Thanks for your mod though~ :)

Edit: Fixed the timing from 00:23:860 to 00:25:429 - by myself.
NlHIL
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NlHIL
[Futsuu]
00:29:742 (62) - 01:57:573 (292) - change to d?

[N's Muzukashii]
add k at 00:23:955 - and add finisher to 00:24:240 - ? (as 03:07:074 - )
00:36:800 (44) - add finisher?
01:25:225 (181,183,185) - 02:34:235 (38,40,42) -02:36:196 (47) - add finishers? (to make them easier)
02:35:804 (44,45,46) - change to d
Nardoxyribonucleic
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NlHIL wrote:

[Futsuu]
00:29:742 (62) - 01:57:573 (292) - change to d? Remain unchanged to follow the snares.
Thanks for the mod~
frukoyurdakul
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frukoyurdakul
Please make an inner oni for this song!
Nardoxyribonucleic
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frukoyurdakul wrote:

Please make an inner oni for this song!
I think Oni is already hard enough owing to its relatively complex patterns, but still thanks for the suggestion!
pw384
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pw384
I can't wait to see this getting ranked!
Chromoxx
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Chromoxx
hi, i'll add a few things here for now that caught my eye at first when looking at this and may take some time to fix, so i'll come back again with a full mod after this is done and there are maybe a few more mods.

[General]
I feel like the spread between Muzu and Oni is too high.
The Muzu is already hard enough imo so i wouldn't suggest buffing it. The problem lies in the fact that the Oni uses pretty complex streams that people who have mastered Muzu tier play don't stand a chance at playing, giving those type of players nothing to bridge the gap. I'd either suggest nerfing the streams, making them more simple or adding a Light Oni or something.
Also i feel like this set could also use an Inner Oni. The Oni is a fun and somewhat challenging diff in itsself, but there is definitely potential for a really fun Inner Oni too, especially when listening to the continuous drums at 03:27:366 - etc. i feel like there would be good opportunities for some epic streams etc. Ofcourse this is up to you though, but i would prefer it if this set had an Inner Oni too.
No matter how many diffs you will add (Light Oni + Inner Oni) if you decide to do so i will definitely recheck it.

[Muzu]
00:38:368 (2,3) - this is triggering me throughout the entire map, since you're missing out a very clear drum hit on 00:38:760 - and it's just breaking the flow of the map every time it appears since the drum beat you are missing is clearly audible when playing and just not consistent rythm wise with the song. I'd just suggest using kdd here since the note at 00:38:564 - is also deeper than the one before
02:05:808 - this part also, but even more since you are basically letting the players know you are not following the drums with 02:06:200 (2,3,4,5,6,7) - but then coming back with "ayy surprise i'm following them after all" with doublets like 02:08:454 (11,12) - which are rather unexpected in a muzu anyway, but are made even worse by the context of use. Also the part is overall inconsistent in what you are mapping to imo, which is confusing for the players.

In Conclusion i would say stick to using red tick rythms only where they fit the drumline etc. in this diff (example: 02:37:176 - ) in order to stay more consistent and avoid confusing the players.


That's all for now, call me back when this stuff is adressed :D
frukoyurdakul
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frukoyurdakul

Chromoxx wrote:

Also i feel like this set could also use an Inner Oni. - but i would prefer it if this set had an Inner Oni too.
Finally, thanks! :D
Nardoxyribonucleic
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Chromoxx wrote:

hi, i'll add a few things here for now that caught my eye at first when looking at this and may take some time to fix, so i'll come back again with a full mod after this is done and there are maybe a few more mods.

[General]
I feel like the spread between Muzu and Oni is too high.
The Muzu is already hard enough imo so i wouldn't suggest buffing it. The problem lies in the fact that the Oni uses pretty complex streams that people who have mastered Muzu tier play don't stand a chance at playing, giving those type of players nothing to bridge the gap. I'd either suggest nerfing the streams, making them more simple or adding a Light Oni or something. I think the spread between Muzukashii and Oni is still acceptable since N's Muzukashii also has some difficulty spikes like 01:39:144 (44,45,46,47,48,49,50,51,52,53,54) and 01:51:692 (97,98,99,100,101,102,103,104,105,106) - which are harder than typical Muzukashiis. Maybe a difficulty increase for Muzu from 03:10:113 to 03:11:681 - would work.
Also i feel like this set could also use an Inner Oni. The Oni is a fun and somewhat challenging diff in itsself, but there is definitely potential for a really fun Inner Oni too, especially when listening to the continuous drums at 03:27:366 - etc. i feel like there would be good opportunities for some epic streams etc. Ofcourse this is up to you though, but i would prefer it if this set had an Inner Oni too.
No matter how many diffs you will add (Light Oni + Inner Oni) if you decide to do so i will definitely recheck it. I will think about adding an Inner Oni again, thanks for the suggestion!

That's all for now, call me back when this stuff is adressed :D
Thanks for your check Chromoxx~ :)
Nwolf
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Joined September 2012
Nwolf
Muzukashii
osu file format v14

[General]
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TitleUnicode:She Is My Sin
Artist:Nightwish
ArtistUnicode:Nightwish
Creator:Nardoxyribonucleic
Version:N's Muzukashii
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Tags:Taiko Wishmaster Tarja gothic symphonic metal Nwolf Ntiger
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qoot8123
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qoot8123
hi,here comes my m4m mod with nardo :3

[N's Muzu]
  1. 00:20:331 (60,61) - how about reverse them? the pitch of the instrument is higher on 00:20:331 - ,so use K as beginning would be more suitable , and it also can differ the drum on 00:19:547 (58,59) - to make the rhythm more clear.
  2. good diff :)

irc mod with nardo
2016-12-04 20:18 qoot8123: hi
2016-12-04 20:18 Nardoxyribonucleic: hi
2016-12-04 20:18 qoot8123: 你現在有時間做irc mod嗎?
2016-12-04 20:18 qoot8123: 我想直接在in game mod w
2016-12-04 20:19 Nardoxyribonucleic: 可以的
2016-12-04 20:19 qoot8123: 好:3
2016-12-04 20:20 qoot8123: 娜先從kantan開始喔
2016-12-04 20:24 qoot8123: 00:32:486 (40) - 感覺可以移到00:32:879 - 跟吉他,畢竟前面hitsound都是跟及他的音調
2016-12-04 20:29 Nardoxyribonucleic: 這樣hitsound會跟Futsuu的不協調 :o
2016-12-04 20:29 Nardoxyribonucleic: 大圓我盡量讓3個難度保持一致
2016-12-04 20:30 qoot8123: 因為我futsuu也有類似的建議,只是還沒講w
2016-12-04 20:32 Nardoxyribonucleic: 我傾向把00:32:879 - 到00:34:839 - 六個音都用大圓
2016-12-04 20:33 qoot8123: 6個大園我覺得的確會比較好一點
2016-12-04 20:33 qoot8123: 我本來是要建議在futsuu放6個大圓然後前面有個break
2016-12-04 20:34 qoot8123: 然後建議把01:33:655 (125,126) - 移到01:32:086 - 跟vocal
2016-12-04 20:35 qoot8123: 01:46:202 (143,144) - ^
2016-12-04 20:39 Nardoxyribonucleic: spread方面好像會有些影響  因為Futsuu以上都是01:32:871 - 到01:34:439 - 排的比較密
2016-12-04 20:40 qoot8123: 我是覺得以整段的難度來看會比較好一點
2016-12-04 20:41 qoot8123: kantan大感就這些了,沒甚麼好挑剔的w
2016-12-04 20:41 qoot8123: 大概*
2016-12-04 20:42 qoot8123: futsuu 的話00:20:331 - ~00:22:292 - 應該就可以放六個大圓
2016-12-04 20:44 Nardoxyribonucleic: 你覺得00:21:507 - 放一個怎樣?
2016-12-04 20:44 Nardoxyribonucleic: 因為Muzu這裡比較簡單
2016-12-04 20:44 qoot8123: 可
2016-12-04 20:46 qoot8123: 那其他的部分也要加note喔
2016-12-04 20:46 Nardoxyribonucleic: 其他相似的位置也加了
2016-12-04 20:46 qoot8123: 恩
2016-12-04 20:46 qoot8123: 01:28:165 (216,217,218,219,220,221,222) - 建議改成[這樣 https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/6726068]
2016-12-04 20:47 qoot8123: link弄反了w
2016-12-04 20:47 qoot8123: 跟01:34:439 (233,234,235,236,237,238) - 我覺得有些許不同
2016-12-04 20:48 qoot8123: 01:40:713 (249,250,251,252,253,254,255) - 同上
2016-12-04 20:50 qoot8123: 尤其是01:36:008 (238,239,240,241) - 跟01:30:126 - 的vocal有些許不同
2016-12-04 20:53 Nardoxyribonucleic: 改了第一至第二kiai一共四處
2016-12-04 20:53 qoot8123: 恩
2016-12-04 20:54 qoot8123: futsuu大概就這些了
2016-12-04 20:54 qoot8123: 換oni
2016-12-04 20:55 qoot8123: oni 的hp應該可以改成6
2016-12-04 20:55 Nardoxyribonucleic: 嗯  沒想到N狼Muzu用7 w
2016-12-04 20:56 qoot8123: n郎的muzu 7其實相對蠻合理的w
2016-12-04 20:56 qoot8123: 他的譜大圓偏多
2016-12-04 21:16 qoot8123: oni感覺沒甚麼問題XD
2016-12-04 21:16 Nardoxyribonucleic: xD
2016-12-04 21:17 qoot8123: 那就先這樣瞜,我等等就post上去,順便也把muzu 的mod po上去
2016-12-04 21:18 Nardoxyribonucleic: 嗯嗯

godd luck ! :D
Nardoxyribonucleic
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The set is updated to this point.
Chromoxx
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Chromoxx
N's muzukashii is indeed more difficult than the normal muzukashii, but the issue lies in the fact that some light monocolor triplet spam does not offer any kind of transition into semi-complex 1/4 streams as you have in the oni. At least making some of the triplets in the muzu not monocolor might be a good idea since it will require some degree of skill in color switching to prepare for the streams.
It's not done very often, but ddk or kkd are still rankable in a muzu, so i wouldn't object to them being used here.
Nardoxyribonucleic
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Nardoxyribonucleic

Chromoxx wrote:

N's muzukashii is indeed more difficult than the normal muzukashii, but the issue lies in the fact that some light monocolor triplet spam does not offer any kind of transition into semi-complex 1/4 streams as you have in the oni. At least making some of the triplets in the muzu not monocolor might be a good idea since it will require some degree of skill in color switching to prepare for the streams.
It's not done very often, but ddk or kkd are still rankable in a muzu, so i wouldn't object to them being used here.
Your concern is understandable. However, Oni is actually the place where players learn how to do colour-switching 1/4 patterns. I do agree that the colour-switching stream like the one at 03:09:721 - is a bit long, but please think about how people going from Futsuu to Muzukashii. The transition from mainly 1/2 notes to the use of 1/4 patterns is also a demanding process if you ask me, not to mention hitting multiple 1/4 notes in succession like ddd kkk ddd. So it would be okay if Muzukashii's 1/4 are monotone.

Hope you could understand my point of view regarding difficulty spread.
Chromoxx
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Chromoxx
As you stated yourself "Oni is the place where you start to learn color switching 1/4 patterns".
patterns like 01:51:692 (551,552,553,554,555,556,557,558,559,560,561,562,563) - or 02:35:804 (798,799,800,801,802,803,804,805,806,807,808,809,810) - are definitely too hard for players who are just starting to learn color switching, which is why the Oni difficulty already seems like more of an Inner Oni difficulty to me and the set is therefore lacking a normal Oni.
One of the main walls in playing and also the reason for many people to quit playing taiko is the transition from Muzukashii to Oni.Therefore i believe we should try to make this transition as easy as possible to make it easier for people to improve at the gamemode and stick with it instead of just quitting and as it is now, this set doesn't really offer any transition in my opinion. Making some triplets Multicolor in the Muzukashii was basically only another solution incase you don't want to map an easier Oni or nerf the current one.

Basically 2 things i feel could work well here:
1. Map an easier Oni and rename the current Oni to "Inner Oni"
2. Nerf the current Oni and map a new, slightly more difficult Inner Oni (which would also be supported by the song)
Nardoxyribonucleic
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I would like to clarify that the current difficulty spread is still in an acceptable range since all of the difficulties in the set are relatively hard as designed, thereby having a slightly wider gap between Futsuu, Muzukashii and Oni than normal. But it would not hurt to have an extra Oni, so I have decided to make the current Oni a bit easier and add an Inner Oni for the sake of a better transition.

I will call you back when the new difficulty is finished, thanks again!
Chromoxx
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Chromoxx
here comes dat BN

[Kantan]
diff seems good, my only concern is that the kiais are less dense than parts like 00:11:285 - . If you don't have a good explanation i'd suggest changing some things there to balance it out

[Futsuu]
seems good tbh :D

[Muzukashii]
seems good too, since you fixed the stuff i pointed out last time! :D

[Oni]
looks fine too now since you nerfed some of the more complex streams. Some patterns are still a little bit complex for my liking but it's okay since as you mentioned earlier the muzu is harder than usual too.

[Inner Oni]
Map also is good. It feels a bit similar to the Oni though at some points, so if you'd like to i'd reccomend comparing them a bit and making the inner oni a bit harder in some parts that feel similar, but to be honest they aren't completely identical even in those parts and the Inner Oni is well structured as it is, so i wouldn't mind bubbling it as it is now either. Your choice :D

no kds for this since i already got some off my pre-post and i didn't really mention much new stuff here
Nardoxyribonucleic
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Chromoxx wrote:

here comes dat BN

[Kantan]
diff seems good, my only concern is that the kiais are less dense than parts like 00:11:285 - . If you don't have a good explanation i'd suggest changing some things there to balance it out It was done intentionally to bring a greater impact in the last kiai. Since the density difference is just one connecting note i.e. 01:32:086 - and the part from 00:11:285 - has more breaks afterwards, it would be fine in my opinion.

[Futsuu]
seems good tbh :D

[Oni]
looks fine too now since you nerfed some of the more complex streams. Some patterns are still a little bit complex for my liking but it's okay since as you mentioned earlier the muzu is harder than usual too.

[Inner Oni]
Map also is good. It feels a bit similar to the Oni though at some points, so if you'd like to i'd reccomend comparing them a bit and making the inner oni a bit harder in some parts that feel similar, but to be honest they aren't completely identical even in those parts and the Inner Oni is well structured as it is, so i wouldn't mind bubbling it as it is now either. Your choice :D I have considered about this and thus the overall density increase in those parts. Some parts are kept a bit similar because adding notes blindly might worsen the flow.

no kds for this since i already got some off my pre-post and i didn't really mention much new stuff here
Thanks for your check again~ :3
Chromoxx
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rank please ;_;
OzzyOzrock
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[Inner Oni]
  1. 01:21:009 (404) - Change to k? Or at least some kind of change to this middle rhythm, so it's not the same thing three times.
  2. 02:30:118 (796) - ^ again, any slight change for a little variation here would be nice.
[Oni]
  1. While I really think this difficulty is a little too hard for the non-Inner spread (because a lot of it is the exact same as Inner), I'm going to pretend I don't mind since that'd be a different problem as a whole. And because the thread kind of explains the reasoning.
  2. 01:21:009 (385) - Same case as Oni, since they're the exact same here.
  3. 03:03:251 - I don't think this guitar solo needs to be so dense compared to Muzukashii.
[N's Muzukashii]
  1. 00:56:209 (75,76,77) - Think these are worth deleting? No break for this entire part.
  2. 01:53:652 (2,3) - ^ Kiai I get, but leading out might make for a nice break.
[Futsuu]
.

[Kantan]
  1. 01:54:044 (155) - Maybe delete this to make a break leading out of kiai? Since this makes a really long chain of notes in a place that it doesn't really fit in.
No point in looking for too much.
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OzzyOzrock wrote:

[Inner Oni]
  1. 01:21:009 (404) - Change to k? Or at least some kind of change to this middle rhythm, so it's not the same thing three times. fixed
  2. 02:30:118 (796) - ^ again, any slight change for a little variation here would be nice. ^
[Oni]
  1. While I really think this difficulty is a little too hard for the non-Inner spread (because a lot of it is the exact same as Inner), I'm going to pretend I don't mind since that'd be a different problem as a whole. And because the thread kind of explains the reasoning.
  2. 01:21:009 (385) - Same case as Oni, since they're the exact same here. fixed
  3. 03:03:251 - I don't think this guitar solo needs to be so dense compared to Muzukashii. Further simplified the patterns there.
[Futsuu]
.

[Kantan]
  1. 01:54:044 (155) - Maybe delete this to make a break leading out of kiai? Since this makes a really long chain of notes in a place that it doesn't really fit in. Hmm, I think it would be better to keep it consistent with 00:26:213 -
No point in looking for too much.
Thanks for your mod Ozzy~ :)
Nwolf
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OzzyOzrock wrote:

[N's Muzukashii]
  1. 00:56:209 (75,76,77) - Think these are worth deleting? No break for this entire part. delete two notes shortly before these ones
  2. 01:53:652 (2,3) - ^ Kiai I get, but leading out might make for a nice break. there's a break coming up 5 seconds after this, should be fine
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While the spread is relatively wide, the difficulty spikes are appropriately placed in all difficulties, making for a proper curve in the end.

Qualified!
Niko-nyan
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can i ask who is Ntiger
Raiden
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WHY ANIME BACKGROUND JUST WHY NARDO WHY DO YOU DO THIS?????
Kyouren
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Kyouren

Niko-nyan wrote:

can i ask who is Ntiger
It's Nwolf's new nickname :3

Raiden wrote:

WHY ANIME BACKGROUND JUST WHY NARDO WHY DO YOU DO THIS?????
If it's following with the song, should be fine!

Gratzz :3
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Raiden wrote:

WHY ANIME BACKGROUND JUST WHY NARDO WHY DO YOU DO THIS?????
triggered
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