2015-10-30 13:49 Strategas: regarding extended sliders
2015-10-30 13:50 pishifat: z
2015-10-30 13:50 Strategas:
http://i.imgur.com/NxKCGIy.png2015-10-30 13:51 Strategas: where to use such paterns are good
2015-10-30 13:51 pishifat: what song tho
2015-10-30 13:51 Strategas: because a lot of places I tried either doesn't fit or just messes up the rhythm
2015-10-30 13:51 pishifat: like it all depends on the song
2015-10-30 13:51 Strategas: um
2015-10-30 13:51 Strategas: in general
2015-10-30 13:51 Strategas: dnb lets say
2015-10-30 13:51 pishifat: when there's no sound on the red tick
2015-10-30 13:52 Strategas: but if there's no sound on blue tick
2015-10-30 13:52 Strategas: it's still okay?
2015-10-30 13:52 pishifat: if there's no sound on either one it's k
2015-10-30 13:52 pishifat: you're like
2015-10-30 13:52 pishifat: making the white tick sound longer
2015-10-30 13:52 pishifat: by extending it like that
2015-10-30 13:52 Strategas: ACTION is editing [https://osu.ppy.sh/b/761035 Rameses B - Step Inside [Extra]]
2015-10-30 13:52 Strategas: 03:28:247 (3,4,5,1,2) -
2015-10-30 13:52 Strategas: is this usage fine?
2015-10-30 13:53 pishifat: sound on
2015-10-30 13:53 pishifat: the red tick where 3 is
2015-10-30 13:53 pishifat: the one on 1 is quieter
2015-10-30 13:53 pishifat: so it oculd be more acceptable
2015-10-30 13:53 Strategas: yeah I thought the same thing
2015-10-30 13:53 Strategas: but having only one of them
2015-10-30 13:53 Strategas: seemed weird
2015-10-30 13:54 pishifat: if that's true
2015-10-30 13:54 pishifat: having it on neither is the better option
2015-10-30 13:54 Strategas: probably so
2015-10-30 13:55 pishifat: 1/1 sliders work too
2015-10-30 13:55 Strategas: so for example if I use only 1/2 and 1/4
2015-10-30 13:55 pishifat: i use them just for aesthetics lul
2015-10-30 13:55 Strategas: for 5 minutes song
2015-10-30 13:55 Strategas: it's not a problem?
2015-10-30 13:55 pishifat: technically no
2015-10-30 13:55 Strategas: well I only use 1/1 for calm parts
2015-10-30 13:56 Strategas: ACTION is editing [https://osu.ppy.sh/b/812313 Tada Aoi - Yakeochinai Tsubasa (TV Size) [Strategas' Insane]]
2015-10-30 13:56 Strategas: 00:00:590 (1,1,1,1) -
2015-10-30 13:56 Strategas: like this
2015-10-30 13:56 Strategas: is suppose to be fine imo
2015-10-30 13:56 Strategas: oh wait
2015-10-30 13:56 Strategas: those are
2015-10-30 13:56 Strategas: almost 4/1
2015-10-30 13:56 Strategas: nvm
2015-10-30 13:56 pishifat: lol
2015-10-30 13:57 pishifat: that third one
2015-10-30 13:57 pishifat: ugly af
2015-10-30 13:57 Strategas: I thought it was okish
2015-10-30 14:00 Strategas: hmm, maybe you can find examples for 1/1 or 3/4 sliders which are pretty good?
2015-10-30 14:00 pishifat: in other maps?
2015-10-30 14:01 Strategas: yeah
2015-10-30 14:01 Strategas: your personal ones or other peoples
2015-10-30 14:01 Strategas: just to have good examples
2015-10-30 14:01 Strategas: I never really got an eye on them while playing
2015-10-30 14:01 pishifat: ACTION is listening to [https://osu.ppy.sh/b/766938 Marie - Clover Day's]
2015-10-30 14:02 pishifat: kiai in any diff as examples
2015-10-30 14:02 pishifat: 01:19:904 (1) -
2015-10-30 14:02 pishifat: is a 1/1
2015-10-30 14:02 pishifat: for the sake of emphasizing downbeat
2015-10-30 14:02 Strategas: 00:02:062 (2) -
2015-10-30 14:02 pishifat: and aestheticz
2015-10-30 14:02 Strategas: is it me or this note really got my attention for not having a beat on it
2015-10-30 14:03 Strategas: oh
2015-10-30 14:03 pishifat: which diff tho
2015-10-30 14:03 Strategas: ACTION is editing [https://osu.ppy.sh/b/766938 Marie - Clover Day's [Anzu]]
2015-10-30 14:03 Strategas: I mean
2015-10-30 14:04 Strategas: imo it would be better
2015-10-30 14:04 Strategas: hmm
2015-10-30 14:04 Strategas: idk
2015-10-30 14:04 Strategas: nvm
2015-10-30 14:04 pishifat: i get what you mean
2015-10-30 14:04 pishifat: i wouldnt put spacing like that if i had an object there either
2015-10-30 14:06 pishifat: do i example more
2015-10-30 14:06 pishifat: that map has a lot of them
2015-10-30 14:06 Strategas: no need
2015-10-30 14:06 Strategas: got the idea
2015-10-30 14:06 Strategas: that song almost had no sounds
2015-10-30 14:06 pishifat: o
2015-10-30 14:06 pishifat: lol
2015-10-30 14:06 pishifat: ill find a dnb song
2015-10-30 14:10 pishifat: ACTION is editing [https://osu.ppy.sh/b/722224 Sawai Miku - Colorful. (Asterisk DnB Remix) [Megumi]]
2015-10-30 14:10 pishifat: has a lot
2015-10-30 14:10 Strategas: ah this one
2015-10-30 14:11 Strategas: at first when I saw it I really disliked it
2015-10-30 14:11 pishifat: like every kiai starts with a 1/1
2015-10-30 14:11 Strategas: cause he used completely different rhythm
2015-10-30 14:11 Strategas: but it still works
2015-10-30 14:11 Strategas: quite well for some reason lol
2015-10-30 14:12 pishifat: ya the map is hot
2015-10-30 14:13 Strategas: I'm kind of against things like
2015-10-30 14:13 Strategas: 01:37:917 (1) -
2015-10-30 14:13 Strategas: 01:40:661 (3) -
2015-10-30 14:13 Strategas: the slider ends uhh..
2015-10-30 14:14 pishifat: 1/1 on downbeats is what most people do
2015-10-30 14:14 pishifat: because downbeats = most powerful thing in a measure
2015-10-30 14:14 pishifat: so even if you end it on a strong sound
2015-10-30 14:14 pishifat: downbeat usually more strong anyway
2015-10-30 14:14 pishifat: thats my logic to it at least
2015-10-30 14:15 pishifat: i do the same thing all the time
2015-10-30 14:15 Strategas: downbeat is most important in general music yeah
2015-10-30 14:15 Strategas: but
2015-10-30 14:15 Strategas: dnb has those 2 4 white tick thing
2015-10-30 14:16 pishifat: same with any rock song
2015-10-30 14:16 pishifat: yet i still do it anyway
2015-10-30 14:16 Strategas: I listen to a lot of them and the only cases where downbeats are stronger than those or a start of a new rhythm or just after build up
2015-10-30 14:17 pishifat: ACTION is editing [https://osu.ppy.sh/b/696225 HoneyWorks - Miraizu feat.Aida Miou(CV:Toyosaki Aki) [Special]]
2015-10-30 14:17 pishifat: kiais do a lot of the same thing too
2015-10-30 14:18 Strategas: most of them follow vocals though
2015-10-30 14:18 Strategas: or very strong beats
2015-10-30 14:18 pishifat: ya
2015-10-30 14:18 pishifat: ACTION is editing [https://osu.ppy.sh/b/612045 AKINO from bless4 - MIIRO [Resolve]]
2015-10-30 14:19 pishifat: lots of probably vocal following with that
2015-10-30 14:19 Strategas: alright thanks for explaining
2015-10-30 14:21 pishifat: ACTION is editing [https://osu.ppy.sh/b/728318 P*Light feat. yukacco - Stargazer (DJ Shimamura Remix) [Galaxy of Dreams]]
2015-10-30 14:21 pishifat: i see why you were wondering about that
2015-10-30 14:21 pishifat: it's all
2015-10-30 14:21 pishifat: 1/2 sliders
2015-10-30 14:21 Strategas: yep
2015-10-30 14:21 pishifat: this song has
2015-10-30 14:22 pishifat: my fav rhythm
2015-10-30 14:22 pishifat: emphasis on 3/2 stuff
2015-10-30 14:22 pishifat: allows 1/1 sliders on
https://i.gyazo.com/931f71a252f53985a7e ... 05f141.png2015-10-30 14:22 pishifat: without sounding awkward
2015-10-30 14:23 Strategas: ah
2015-10-30 14:23 Strategas: so that's what's it called
2015-10-30 14:23 Strategas: I wondered
2015-10-30 14:23 Strategas: why was this rhythm
2015-10-30 14:23 Strategas: weird
2015-10-30 14:24 Strategas: my newer maps don't have the only 1/2 issue though
2015-10-30 14:24 Strategas: remaking the rhythm seemed quite a bit of work
2015-10-30 14:25 pishifat: yea
2015-10-30 14:25 pishifat: would mkae the map so much better tho
2015-10-30 14:26 Strategas: I guess I'll try to fix that this weekened
2015-10-30 14:27 pishifat: on this map?
2015-10-30 14:28 Strategas: yes
2015-10-30 14:28 Strategas: I shouldn't?
2015-10-30 14:29 pishifat: should
2015-10-30 14:29 pishifat: how long are you gonna be on
2015-10-30 14:30 Strategas: dunno
2015-10-30 14:30 Strategas: I can sit till morning
2015-10-30 14:30 Strategas: since nothing to do tomorrow
2015-10-30 14:30 pishifat: .
2015-10-30 14:30 pishifat: well if you're gonna be remapping stuff
2015-10-30 14:30 pishifat: i shouldnt like say individual things
2015-10-30 14:30 pishifat: that being i dont even
2015-10-30 14:30 pishifat: have individual things to say so far
2015-10-30 14:31 pishifat: but more general things that if you can apply while remapping
2015-10-30 14:31 pishifat: map will be ready4bub
2015-10-30 14:31 Strategas: okay
2015-10-30 14:31 Strategas: I don't think I'll remap that much though
2015-10-30 14:31 Strategas: well actually never mind
2015-10-30 14:31 Strategas: this map is long
2015-10-30 14:32 Strategas: so it will take a while
2015-10-30 14:32 Strategas: even if I change only every 3rd downbeat
2015-10-30 14:32 pishifat: if you want rank a map that you think is good
2015-10-30 14:32 pishifat: remapping = best option
2015-10-30 14:32 Strategas: yes I remapped this a bit a week ago
2015-10-30 14:32 pishifat: o lol
2015-10-30 14:32 Strategas: but without chaning rhythm
2015-10-30 14:33 Strategas: mostly this map was
2015-10-30 14:33 Strategas: very circular
2015-10-30 14:33 Strategas: as it non sharp angles
2015-10-30 14:33 pishifat: pretty ew
2015-10-30 14:33 Strategas: in*
2015-10-30 14:34 Strategas: that's probably what I hate the most
2015-10-30 14:34 pishifat: same
2015-10-30 14:34 Strategas: because I can't play maps that flow like that
2015-10-30 14:34 pishifat: samesamesamessaememaseemas
2015-10-30 14:34 pishifat: 01:12:777 (3) - nice snapping btw
2015-10-30 14:35 Strategas: wtf
2015-10-30 14:35 Strategas: oops
2015-10-30 14:39 pishifat: have to look and see how some guy worded a general thing
2015-10-30 14:39 pishifat: then i will be ready to spit words
2015-10-30 14:40 Strategas: k
2015-10-30 14:41 pishifat: ok
2015-10-30 14:41 pishifat: so first
2015-10-30 14:41 pishifat: for the rhyhtm variation aesthetic thing
2015-10-30 14:42 pishifat: dont change every measure's red tick thing to a 1/1 slider
2015-10-30 14:42 pishifat: just in case you were
2015-10-30 14:42 pishifat: that's like 2 much
2015-10-30 14:42 Strategas: well yea
2015-10-30 14:42 Strategas: that's obvious
2015-10-30 14:42 pishifat: i dont know what's obvious
2015-10-30 14:42 pishifat: next
2015-10-30 14:42 pishifat: is the thing i just looked up now
2015-10-30 14:42 pishifat:
p/45791852015-10-30 14:43 pishifat: where he says
2015-10-30 14:43 pishifat: absolute spacing
2015-10-30 14:43 pishifat: at 20:50
2015-10-30 14:43 pishifat: if you can do that
2015-10-30 14:43 pishifat: your map will be sex
2015-10-30 14:43 pishifat: easiest way to understand this is
2015-10-30 14:44 pishifat: look at any monstrata map
2015-10-30 14:44 Strategas: well DS not even equal spacing
2015-10-30 14:44 Strategas: what it means?
2015-10-30 14:44 Strategas: if sliders are involved
2015-10-30 14:44 pishifat: no00:19:292 (6,7,1,2,3,4) -
2015-10-30 14:45 pishifat: the no
2015-10-30 14:45 pishifat: shouldnt be there
2015-10-30 14:45 pishifat: so that pattern
2015-10-30 14:45 pishifat: you see how you have
2015-10-30 14:45 pishifat: same spacing everywhere
2015-10-30 14:45 pishifat: between objects
2015-10-30 14:45 pishifat: just visually
2015-10-30 14:45 Strategas: ye
2015-10-30 14:45 pishifat: if that were your
2015-10-30 14:45 pishifat: "absolute spacing"
2015-10-30 14:46 pishifat: you would make it similar to like 00:24:092 (2,3,4) -
2015-10-30 14:46 pishifat: by moving 4 closer to 2
2015-10-30 14:46 pishifat: so it would be same distance of
https://i.gyazo.com/97aee589762467fe9d4 ... 737685.png2015-10-30 14:46 pishifat: tail to 3
2015-10-30 14:46 pishifat: and 4 to the head/tail of 2
2015-10-30 14:46 pishifat: does that make any sense
2015-10-30 14:46 pishifat: then like 00:25:635 (4,5,1) -
2015-10-30 14:46 pishifat:
https://i.gyazo.com/026975c14ea3e8cb194 ... 7a978a.png2015-10-30 14:47 pishifat: that is what he's talking about
2015-10-30 14:47 Strategas: 3 and 4 should be even spacing from the slider end?
2015-10-30 14:47 pishifat:
https://i.gyazo.com/8405ab2292c15aa6563 ... a6fa3e.png2015-10-30 14:47 pishifat: red lines are the same length
2015-10-30 14:47 pishifat: that's all it means
2015-10-30 14:48 pishifat: if you can do that you can create super clean maps
2015-10-30 14:48 Strategas: k
2015-10-30 14:48 Strategas: got that
2015-10-30 14:48 pishifat: so like 00:29:235 (1,2) - would be the same thing, as in blanketing it at the red line's distance
2015-10-30 14:48 pishifat: instead of close
2015-10-30 14:48 pishifat: k
2015-10-30 14:48 pishifat: k
2015-10-30 14:48 pishifat: k
2015-10-30 14:48 Strategas: yea
2015-10-30 14:49 Strategas: or i can just move
2015-10-30 14:49 Strategas: 3 away
2015-10-30 14:49 Strategas: from slider end
2015-10-30 14:49 Strategas: basicly it has to be same lenght
2015-10-30 14:49 pishifat: ideally it's the same length
2015-10-30 14:49 pishifat: throughout the whole map
2015-10-30 14:49 pishifat: like
2015-10-30 14:49 pishifat: ACTION is listening to [https://osu.ppy.sh/b/814457 Apocalyptica - Reign of Fear]
2015-10-30 14:49 pishifat: the
2015-10-30 14:49 pishifat: bubble diff
2015-10-30 14:49 pishifat: and the cs5 diff
2015-10-30 14:50 pishifat: they have different sized absolute spacing things
2015-10-30 14:50 pishifat: it's a part of that visual structure bs i tried talking about months ago
2015-10-30 14:53 pishifat: does that sense
2015-10-30 14:54 Strategas: so in the given patern
2015-10-30 14:54 Strategas:
http://i.imgur.com/s0IBOW5.png2015-10-30 14:54 Strategas: this is absolute spacing
2015-10-30 14:54 pishifat: yes
2015-10-30 14:54 Strategas: 00:29:235 (1,2,3) -
2015-10-30 14:54 pishifat: in context of whole map
2015-10-30 14:54 pishifat: it's wh tho
2015-10-30 14:55 Strategas: wh?
2015-10-30 14:55 pishifat: what
2015-10-30 14:55 pishifat: wh=what
2015-10-30 14:55 pishifat: it's weird
2015-10-30 14:55 pishifat: k
2015-10-30 14:56 Strategas: you linked me that blanket right
2015-10-30 14:56 pishifat: yep
2015-10-30 14:56 Strategas: so I gave a ss how it's suppose to look instead
2015-10-30 14:56 Strategas: right
2015-10-30 14:56 pishifat: oOH
2015-10-30 14:56 Strategas: as an example
2015-10-30 14:56 Strategas: atm the 3 is far down
2015-10-30 14:56 pishifat: the aboslute spacing thing
2015-10-30 14:56 pishifat: is referring to
2015-10-30 14:57 pishifat: whole sections of the song
2015-10-30 14:57 pishifat: not like individual patterns usually
2015-10-30 14:57 pishifat: so if that small spacing were the absolute spacing you used for the section
2015-10-30 14:57 pishifat: it would work
2015-10-30 14:57 Strategas: well I used the same stuff everywhere so it's likely to be the same thing
2015-10-30 14:58 Strategas: but I got it now
2015-10-30 14:58 Strategas: now it really makes sense
2015-10-30 14:59 pishifat: does it now
2015-10-30 14:59 pishifat: thatsgood
2015-10-30 14:59 Strategas: however I still might mess it up a bit since I never looked at the absolute thing
2015-10-30 15:00 pishifat: even if you screw it up soemtimes
2015-10-30 15:00 pishifat: if most of the map is like that
2015-10-30 15:00 pishifat: it'll be good
2015-10-30 15:00 Strategas: ah okay
2015-10-30 15:00 Strategas: well it's probably hard to notice anyway
2015-10-30 15:00 Strategas: unless it's really off
2015-10-30 15:01 pishifat: like it is now B)
2015-10-30 15:01 pishifat: anyway
2015-10-30 15:01 pishifat: copy paste
2015-10-30 15:01 pishifat: 00:03:520 (3,4) - general thing like if you're going for this kind of movement into the slider, make the curve be like lower than the actual object. supports more [https://i.gyazo.com/75f860ac5e639427379bf9b7d6321c9c.gif]fluid motion] (and doesnt affect people who snap)
2015-10-30 15:01 Strategas: so the absolute spacing is suppose to be even in the whole patern or in the whole map?
2015-10-30 15:02 Strategas: uh
2015-10-30 15:02 Strategas: phrased it wrong
2015-10-30 15:02 pishifat: using smaller absolute spacing in calmer sections
2015-10-30 15:02 pishifat: and larger in like kiais
2015-10-30 15:02 pishifat: is common
2015-10-30 15:03 pishifat: about that long sentence earlier
2015-10-30 15:03 pishifat:
https://i.gyazo.com/9f2c0b90711a1a85d44 ... a61948.png is like good for that
2015-10-30 15:03 pishifat: and
2015-10-30 15:03 pishifat: the motion link
2015-10-30 15:03 pishifat: is supposed to say fluid motion
2015-10-30 15:04 Strategas: ah
2015-10-30 15:04 pishifat: 02:26:149 (3,4) - 02:27:177 (1,2) - examples of bad
2015-10-30 15:05 pishifat: 02:36:777 (1,2) - 03:13:806 (1,2) - same idea but slider to next object
2015-10-30 15:05 pishifat: 02:26:663 (5,6) - 02:34:377 (2,3) - example of good
2015-10-30 15:05 pishifat: 01:59:920 (2,3,4) - same kind of idea for streams into sliders
2015-10-30 15:06 Strategas: yep I can see they need a bit of rotating
2015-10-30 15:06 Strategas: 02:26:149 (3,4) -
2015-10-30 15:06 Strategas: don't get this one though
2015-10-30 15:06 Strategas: slider needs to be more rotated
2015-10-30 15:06 pishifat: 3 into 4
2015-10-30 15:06 Strategas: to go more upwards/
2015-10-30 15:07 pishifat: ya
2015-10-30 15:07 pishifat: more so that
2015-10-30 15:07 pishifat: the head of it is pointing below 3
2015-10-30 15:07 pishifat: that doesnt make sense um
2015-10-30 15:07 pishifat: flow with 02:25:806 (1,2,3) - is clockwise
2015-10-30 15:08 pishifat: so sliderbody being like
2015-10-30 15:08 pishifat: where it is
2015-10-30 15:08 pishifat: fuck explaining things
2015-10-30 15:08 pishifat: rotate it
2015-10-30 15:08 Strategas: yes
2015-10-30 15:08 Strategas:
DD
2015-10-30 15:08 Strategas: dw I got it
2015-10-30 15:08 pishifat: gud
2015-10-30 15:08 Strategas: just didn't see one thing
2015-10-30 15:10 pishifat: thats kinda everything
2015-10-30 15:10 Strategas: wot
2015-10-30 15:11 pishifat: everything i had to say
2015-10-30 15:11 pishifat: = that
2015-10-30 15:11 pishifat: excluding
2015-10-30 15:11 pishifat: your sliderart sux hardcore
2015-10-30 15:12 Strategas: well absolute spacing is not hard to fix just a lot of them, motion might miss some I hope I won't, the hardest will be the rhythm changing
2015-10-30 15:12 Strategas: I didn't make those sliders though
2015-10-30 15:12 Strategas: if you're talking about
2015-10-30 15:12 Strategas: 01:07:292 (3) -
2015-10-30 15:12 Strategas: this whole part
2015-10-30 15:12 pishifat: yea
2015-10-30 15:12 pishifat: those are lol
2015-10-30 15:13 Strategas: I had a feeling they needed changing but I got kinda used to them
2015-10-30 15:13 Strategas: and they didn't bother anymore
2015-10-30 15:13 pishifat: nobody's really gonna say you need to change them
2015-10-30 15:13 pishifat: cuz like people do lots of dumb stuff with long sliders
2015-10-30 15:13 pishifat: if you know how to make them good looking tho do it
2015-10-30 15:14 Strategas: not very experienced but I think I can test around to see what works
2015-10-30 15:14 pishifat: well im gonna look at the other map posted in my queue then
2015-10-30 15:14 Strategas: okay
2015-10-30 15:14 Strategas: thank you very much
2015-10-30 15:14 pishifat: when youre done with your fix stuff i can look again