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[Rule Clarification] NSFW Imagery

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Shohei Ohtani
Topic Starter
Shohei Ohtani


So there's really no guidelines for what NSFW counts as, and I've seen variance throughout every modder.

I'd like to get some guideline as to what certain aspects cannot be included in a map's background/video.

Anything explicit is automatically out, but then we go into stuff that would be marked "questionable" and even some "safe" stuff on most image sites.

For instance, let's look at this map: https://osu.ppy.sh/s/235274

Can this be considered NSFW? There's nothing explicit about the image, absolutely nothing is shown about the women's special happy parts except that they have breasts (which is like let's censor all women that have breasts like srs). Some people say it is, some people say it isn't.

The biggest map I've experienced this with was stuff like this: https://osu.ppy.sh/s/113254

I've had talks with Ephemeral and a bunch of other BATs at the time, but there seems to be no consistency in what qualifies an image as unsafe for the game.

So we should probably clarify that at some point.
[Superstar]_old
[Superstar]_old
I seriously don't understand how for example girls in swimsuits can be considered NSFW. Visit pool or turn on TV and you see the same lol.
Lach
1,118 posts
Joined November 2012
Lach
Here's another recent case of supposed "NSFW" imagery causing an unrank, https://osu.ppy.sh/s/203784

The current version has some scribbles, but I'll provide the image here for discussion sake.

wow so inappropriate 9/11 would not show to children
http://puu.sh/dFBK6/784804baf5.png
To be quite honest, the term not safe for work implies that ANY of the content on this game is safe for work. I wouldn't even display the christmas menu backgrounds at work, let alone any of the map backgrounds, but that's not the point. The line has to be drawn somewhere, but where? Is it going to get to the point where any image showing skin (regardless of the location) will be considered not safe for work? As long as there's clothing, and nothing is displayed in a sexually suggestive manner, there should be no problem (Hint, the bg on TKS' map isn't sexually suggestive)
xxdeathx
2,661 posts
Joined July 2013
xxdeathx
How the hell did No Dap get this ranked https://osu.ppy.sh/s/189178 while Guy had to change this https://osu.ppy.sh/s/143340

And don't forget most eroge videos are kept even if they have a couple ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°) scenes..

Some solid limits could be defined for sure lol. Personally I thought a 12+/15+/18+ warning for the BG, video, or lyrics would suffice and we need not worry too much about forbidding actual content outside of explicit things.
Shohei Ohtani
Topic Starter
Shohei Ohtani
if you wanna get super technical, those were ranked before the QAT/BAT system was enacted.

But are we just making it a rule that beach scenes are unrankable or?
Tari
osu! Alumni
1,671 posts
Joined July 2012
Tari
To be honest, I thought this was common sense.
Shohei Ohtani
Topic Starter
Shohei Ohtani
Well it generally goes off common sense. Like, if something is sexually suggestive, it's bye bye

But the issue is that stuff that ISN'T neccesarily suggestive is being censored, and that's totally fine, but there NEEDS to be some standards to it.

I'm not gonna fight for anime titties, but I'm gonna fight for the right to know if my anime titties are rankable or not.
Lust
osu! Alumni
2,667 posts
Joined January 2013
Lust
There has to be a distinguished boundary between images that are overtly sexualized and those that celebrate the beauty of the body. There are images that are obviously looking to raise masts but there are ones out there that let the masts appreciate the ocean view (did that even make sense I'm high).

IMO a huge chunk of the playerbase has seen what an anime titty or two looks like, I think its fair enough to allow certain things to some degree. Lach states it pretty well - as long as theres clothing that covers what needs to be covered and the image isn't too sexual in any manner it should be fine.
Kaguya Hourain
514 posts
Joined October 2012
Kaguya Hourain
Yo I'd love a clarification as well and a steady rule for what is allowed and what is not.

Though this topic could go on forever based on subjective views it would be nice to have a range we can safely work with, cuz, well, I have seen some bongerz unranks and some bongerz BGs that have passed the qualifications.
- Marco -
7,043 posts
Joined December 2011
- Marco -
Well... Costumes like bikini should be fine, naked shouldn't
BeatofIke
4,166 posts
Joined September 2011
BeatofIke

marcostudios wrote:

Well... Costumes like bikini should be fine, naked shouldn't
Basically....unless if the bikini (or pantsu) is too skimpy that it barely covers any parts.
About nudity, this map should probably be the gap.
xxdeathx
2,661 posts
Joined July 2013
xxdeathx

CDFA wrote:

I'm not gonna fight for anime titties, but I'm gonna fight for the right to know if my anime titties are rankable or not.
That was beautiful

Lust wrote:

There has to be a distinguished boundary between images that are overtly sexualized and those that celebrate the beauty of the body. There are images that are obviously looking to raise masts but there are ones out there that let the masts appreciate the ocean view (did that even make sense I'm high).

IMO a huge chunk of the playerbase has seen what an anime titty or two looks like, I think its fair enough to allow certain things to some degree. Lach states it pretty well - as long as theres clothing that covers what needs to be covered and the image isn't too sexual in any manner it should be fine.
Well the thing is you can't deny that drawing anime girls in bikinis was intended to be anything but sexual...
69653863
1,818 posts
Joined January 2012
69653863
players decide what maps to download, and therefore decides whether a map is nsfw or not
how, you ask? that tiny map preview in their listing page, it's tiny but it works so it works
if it is nsfw and they still wanted to play the map they could just dim the bg or simply replace it

all the mappers need to do is to provide a somewhat matching background, are they? if it turned out to be nsfw but it matches, why not?
oh and the rest is pretty much common sense actually
Garven
osu! Alumni
5,857 posts
Joined January 2010
Garven
The sad thing is that most of the maps with the scantily-clad drawn girls probably have a much better option available to use - why people fight so hard against a more suitable alternative boggles the mind.

In general, as described before - sexual suggestiveness is out. Some of the more questionable ones like the "chance" cleavage shots are probably going to always be hit or miss as far as consistency is concerned with judgement. Again, this can be easily avoided if you simply use a more general-audience-friendly image to begin with.
verto
307 posts
Joined October 2012
verto
I don't even understand why is it such a big deal to allow CLEAVAGES and BIKINIS that you can see on the beach or as for cleavages on the streets in broad daylight even as a 5 year old walking with their mom holding each other's hands. Are we that sexually insecure? Let's just photoshop a freaking burqa on every FEMALE character (because topless males are totally fine for some reason) so we are safer than a pack of birth control pills bundled with condoms.

Also I feel like this only occurs when the breasts are somewhat big. If you censor those, censor smaller breasts too. Treat all breasts equally.
Stella
42 posts
Joined November 2011
Stella

_verto_ wrote:

Also I feel like this only occurs when the breasts are somewhat big. If you censor those, censor smaller breasts too. Treat all breasts equally.
+1
Kibbleru
osu! Alumni
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Joined August 2013
Kibbleru

Stella wrote:

_verto_ wrote:

Also I feel like this only occurs when the breasts are somewhat big. If you censor those, censor smaller breasts too. Treat all breasts equally.
+1
this.

well osu! is a game that was intended for like 13+ i think? and u know... the government and parents and sht doesn't want sexually suggestive things. even if peppy doesn't really care about this himself, it's gotta be done.

on the other hand i really don't think there's anything wrong with the current.

it's just like pantsu = no and bikini = acceptable right?
Tidek
1,571 posts
Joined March 2011
Tidek
I dont know why BGs in some maps are not deleted yet, people complain about anime gurl in bikini, but no1 is complaining about that kind of maps https://osu.ppy.sh/s/185753 (and there is more stuff with that kind of BGs).

Anyone is checking it to keep it save from things like in above example?
Kuro
836 posts
Joined July 2012
Kuro

Tidek wrote:

I dont know why BGs in some maps are not deleted yet, people complain about anime gurl in bikini, but no1 is complaining about that kind of maps https://osu.ppy.sh/s/185753 (and there is more stuff with that kind of BGs).

Anyone is checking it to keep it save from things like in above example?
That's because that map isn't even ranked (and it's graved) so nobody even notices maps like those
using that as comparison isn't even a valid argument
scanter
2,385 posts
Joined July 2012
scanter

Kibbleru wrote:

this.

well osu! is a game that was intended for like 13+ i think? and u know... the government and parents and sht doesn't want sexually suggestive things. even if peppy doesn't really care about this himself, it's gotta be done.

on the other hand i really don't think there's anything wrong with the current.

it's just like pantsu = no and bikini = acceptable right?
yeah. it doesn't matter for play. man who dislike the bg, players can just dim and do that
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