1. Marathon (4,77 stars, 1170 notes)

1. Remove "thomas" "bergersen" and "illusions" from tags, since they are already in the metadatas.
2. Add "Jacob" and "J." into tags.
3. The mp3 is in 320 kbps. According to the ranking rules, it must be in the range of 128kbps to 196kbps. Consider changing it via. the audio editting program.
4. The mp3 file is too large ~_~ Doing what I've said above should fix it.

1. HP-1 OD-1 as it is too harsh in its current state.
2. Before I start my mod, you may see the distance between notes are too unreasonable. Every notes are like 3.00x apart.
   You might want to use the distance spacing to ensure the distance between notes are not too long.
3. Distance spacing-->1.5x
4. Also, this map lacks sliders. Please add some to increase the variations of rhythm instead of 1/2 notes alone.
5. Taking a look at recently ranked beatmaps is a good way to learn some patterns to map 1/2 parts.
6. 00:13:655 (1) - Ctrl+G for this one. Too difficult to catch from the previous note.
7. 00:14:276 (1) - Del NC (Delete New Combo)
8. 00:14:482 (1) - Ctrl+G as well for the consistency
9. 00:15:103 (1) - Del NC
10. 00:15:310 (1) - Ctrl+G
11. 00:15:931 (1) - Del NC
12. 00:16:138 (1) - Ctrl+G
13. 00:16:965 (1) - Hmph. I like this slider, but it is not symmetrical. You could check out this thread: http://osu.ppy.sh/forum/t/37194
14. 00:22:707 (4) - move to 00:22:758
15. 00:22:758 (4,1) - confusing spacing
16. 00:30:207 (1) - sliders + notes pattern could create more intuitive patterns. Also, 1.00 spacing should be enough: http://puu.sh/2w8hv
17. 00:33:724 (2,3) - making a blanket here seems nice: http://puu.sh/2w8ml
18. 00:34:551 (4,5,1,2,3,4) - you might want to make a try on this pattern: http://puu.sh/2w8oH http://puu.sh/2w8oY
19. 00:35:379 (1) - NC (New Combo)
20. 00:37:655 (1,2,3) - try to refrain from putting at the corner as the player can hardly touch it
21. 00:40:138 (1) - end at 00:43:241
22. 00:46:758 (1,2,3,4) - using distance spacing 1.00x will be just fine. It is too hard to follow. http://puu.sh/2wcV0
23. 00:48:413 (1,2,3,4) - ^
24. Add Timing section:
    

    BPM:145 Offset:66682

    Resnap the notes afterwards
25. READ:THE MOD BELOW DOES NOT SYNCHRONIZE WITH THE ABOVE TIMING. So please fix them all before you resnap the notes.
26. 01:07:086 (2,4) - whistle
27. 01:08:327 (2,4) - ^
28. 01:09:000 (1,2,3) - if you want to make a 1/8 stream on 145BPM, I highly recommend you to use a repeating slider instead.
29. 01:12:931 (8) - remove finish
30. 01:13:707 (2,4) - whistle
31. 01:14:948 (2,4) - ^
32. 01:17:482 (5) - Why not a normal sampleset for (head?)
33. 01:16:655 (4,5) - Maybe make them a curve?Then mirror it to form (5) http://puu.sh/2wQbp
34. 01:18:155 (1,2,3) - Normal sampleset?Plus they could be directly after (5), like : http://puu.sh/2wQdx
35. 01:20:327 (2,4) - whistle AND SO ON
36. 01:30:672 (1) - Del NC plus according to spacing, you could actually space them like this: http://puu.sh/2wQgt
37. 01:36:258 (1,2,3) - they are not straight
38. 01:48:672 (1) - Del NC
39. 01:49:086 (2) - NC
40. 01:51:362 (9) - NC and actually this part could be better
41. 02:03:000 Add break?
42. 02:06:776 (1) - delete it, it is pointless
43. 02:13:293 (1,2,3) - These 3 notes aren't not consistent with the notes afterwards. Besides, you could decrease the overall spacing in this part, 1.50x should have done well. This part is nice actually.
44. 02:16:189 (1,2) - It'll be better if they do not overlap OR the end of (2) COMPLETELY covers (1)
45. 02:22:810 (1) - Maybe you should make this directly stacked above 02:23:431 (2) - so it will not overlaps and.... looks better.
46. 02:23:224 (1) - Del NC
47. 02:26:172 (1) - start from this note, since it is obvious that there are beats every 1/2 beats apart. Maybe you could use some circle+1/2 sliders pattern to construct a part here. Simple squares are just nice enough
48. 02:32:741 (1) - Please no sudden streams after a relatively calm part. If you decided to map the part above, still, decrease the spacing or players will have a hard time following them.
49. 02:32:741 (1) - Also , Please add a NC on the 17th note on every combo. That'll be: 02:34:396 (17) - 02:36:051 (33) - 02:37:707 (49) - 02:39:362 (65) -
50. 02:39:569 (1,2) - no, please do not make sudden slow down. If you want the player to adjust their rhythm, please use reasonable transition notes. For instance, I would use 1/2 sliders start from 02:39:362 (1) - then slowing tuning it up.
51. 02:42:672 (5) - Maybe you would want a symmetrical slider here.
52. 02:48:413 (1) - whistle and so on for every (1)
53. 02:59:689 (1) - Why not use Normal sampleset here?
54. 03:04:345 (1,2,3,1,2,3,4,1) - Please avoid too much straight lines and right angles as they will be getting more boring in the midst of the diff. Curves and sliders are your friends if you are running out of ideas.
55. 03:09:051 (4) - It'll be nicer if it was a trapezium.
56. 03:12:982 (1,2,3,4,5) - You try this rhythm and add a loud hit-normal on each of the slider's head : http://puu.sh/2wSnb
57. 03:14:431 (5) - could probably add some 1/2 notes as the transition of the two parts to prevent the awkard pause.
58. 03:15:724 (1) - These sliders are the best part in the diff IMO. It would look better if they were all blankets : http://puu.sh/2wSzd
    Saw the approach circle of (2) and the track of (1). They are nearly in the same curve. It will definitely boost the appeal of the map.
    So do for the 4 upcoming sliders.
59. 03:19:862 (2,3) - make them symmetrical
60. 03:21:517 (4) - NC. Not sure about this one.
61. 03:22:345 (1,2) - Why not stack them together?
62. 03:22:551 (2) - whistle @ the last beat. So do every similar sliders in this part.
63. 03:29:793 (1) - change it to slider like every one you have done previously
64. 03:30:672 (1) - Cut this in half and add a repeating 1/16 beat slider. Just to stress that the second half part is more high-pitched(If you know what I mean)
65. 03:32:276 Why not map something here with a kiai time? It is like a climax here. (btw you can blame me for not understanding music) For instance, like http://puu.sh/2wSVa could be a nice rhythm for the whole verse with a whistle on the head of (4), which has a cymbal sound in the background. Lasts until 03:51:310
66. 03:51:439 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8) - Please avoid 1/8 streams. Again, use sliders instead
67. The part afterwards could not really submerge me into enjoying the music. Find a magnificant rhythm that suits the music, plays well and enjoyable.
68. 04:04:138 (4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11,1) - Like this? http://puu.sh/2wT1K
69. 04:07:655 (2,1) - repeat arrow is hidden by other objects which is redeemed unrankable.
70. 04:08:276 (1) - Del NC
71. 04:09:569 (1) - use 3 points for this kind of slider and, flaten it. So do the next 3 sliders.
72. 04:12:051 (9) - finish
73. 05:31:913 (2,4) - whistle or whistle @ head (if there are). So do every similar rhythm
74. 05:34:603 (1,2,3) - uneven spacing could be confusing. Btw but it is acceptable for me as a challenge for players
75. 05:36:052 (9) - NC
76. 05:41:793 (6,7,8,9) - EXTREMELY hard to follow the rhythm. Maybe create a better one?
77. 05:43:448 (1,2,3,4,5) - Please remove some finishes or it would not hears nice
78. 05:44:896 (1,2,3,4) - I have been thinking this for a while, you could possibly arrange them into any quadrilaterals OR an increasing distance, such as http://puu.sh/2wUc6
    Just remember to add the appropriate whistles, in case you forgot.
79. 05:49:655 (3,5) - This overlap is unfitting IMO
80. 05:52:396 (5) - This note feels excess to me, but it will stay fine if you keep it.
81. 05:52:810 (1,2,3,4) - could be a better square if you want
82. 05:55:086 (1) - could be put further away, and a 1/2 slider like this is certainly not intuitive :<
83. 05:55:086 (1,2,3) - arrange them like this? http://puu.sh/2wUv6
84. 05:57:155 (1,1) - Del NC
85. 05:57:569 (4) - ^
    Will it be better if they were like this? http://puu.sh/2wUAQ
    Code:Symmetrical, semi-blanket
86. 05:58:396 (1) - Del NC
87. 05:59:017 (1,1) - ^
88. 05:59:431 (2) - NC
89. 05:59:844 (1) - Del NC Plus space it somewhere so it won't overlaps
90. 06:01:188 (1) - Del NC
91. 06:01:085 (1,1,2) - not in straight if you want
92. 06:00:361 (1,2) - Del NC
93. 06:00:775 (1,2) - ^
94. 06:04:499 (1) - Del NC
95. so on with the similar pattern
96. 06:14:534 (1) - Find someway to avoid most of the overlappings here
97. 06:37:862 (1) - This part is not enjoyable IMO. But I don't have an idea to improve it.
98. 06:47:172 (11,1,2,3) - This spacing is ridiculously large and is not that fit.
99. For the rest of the part. Err, it is like that my brain is completely washed and nothing could come out from my brain. I think you could consult more experienced modders. If I was correct, Kiyoshi would come with a new SB and another mod for you. Stay tuned

Aunxfb wrote:

Hi, from popner's special mod queue
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It's my first time modding a long/marathon map like this, please bear with me if my mod is bad
Note: Most are just suggestions!

[General]
Timings- Since many of your beats started at 1/8 sections(and are kinda off), I think it's better to use multiple offsets.
Add offset at:
01:06:879 - BPM same fixed
This should fix most of the misplaced beats throughout the song, just adjust/nudge them accordingly.
*To add offset just untick "inherit timing sections" when adding timing points

^Highly recommended suggestion



[Insane]
*Example fixes after adding offsets*

01:09:000 (1,2,3,4) - start at white tick (01:08:947 - ) and let it be a 1/4 stream/stack fixed
01:09:310 (4) - put this at 01:09:361 - , and make it a 1/4 slider fixed
01:09:931 (2) - put this at 01:09:982 - , and make it a 1/4 slider fixed
01:10:293 (1,2) - start this at 01:10:396 - , and make them 1/4 beats apart no. I think it soudns better my way. I'm following the drum pattern and all.
01:10:706 (1,2) - start this at 01:10:810 - , and make them 1/4 beats apart Same here.
01:11:586 (1,2) - start this at 01:11:741 - , and make them 1/4 beats apart Same here.
01:11:896 (3,4,5,6,7,8) - nudge backward, remove no.3 and no.5

removed 3 but didn't do anything else. I am following the singer and i think it sounds strange without the five. If i am honest I also don't really understand what you mean with nudge backward
*NOTE:Start beats on white or red ticks

Other Stuffs

01:13:551 (1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4) - try to use a different pattern, the current pattern are usable but very confusing I will think of something if someone else suggests it. I'm not really sure.
02:22:862 (1) - stack this with 02:23:276 (1) - ? I like the other way better.
02:32:741 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11,12,13,14,15,16,17,18,19,20,21,22,23,24,25,26,27,28,29,30,31,32,33,34,35,36,37,38,39,40,41,42,43,44,45,46,47,48,49,50,51,52,53,54,55,56,57,58,59,60,61,62,63,64,65,66) - somehow, I'd suggest using something other than stream, the sream doesn't match the music very well.I'll think of something.
03:01:552 (2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11) - remove stream and let slider start early? I'll think of something. If someone else suggests it.
03:30:672 (1) - consider changing this into spinner to match vocal No. I'm following the drums there.
03:45:931 (1,2,3,4,1,2,3,1,2,3,1,2,3,1,2,3,1,2,3) - pattern problem as mentioned just now [color=BF0000]I will think about it, if someone else suggests it.[/color]
05:44:896 (1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4) - ^ same

Sudden huge drop in slider velocities(eg: 05:05:689 (2,3) - ) , try to warn the player somehow No. I want it surprising. Since the maps name is "Illusions" i want something mysterious and unexpected in my map.
06:06:878 (1,2,3,4,5,6,1) - try not to use sliders this way, if you must, let the next beat placed at the direction the slider is going so it's easier to follow No I like it more that way.

07:30:672 - ending the map here would be good enough? I'll think about it.

This map still needs some work apparently. Go get more mods and see what they think.

P.S: I don't usually listen to this kind of songs, sorry if I gave bad suggestions.

kelvinli wrote:

Hi Chiva. M4M from queue.
Don't feel so sad about the long mod

Honesty speaking, this piece of music is not easy to map.
[General]

1. Remove "thomas" "bergersen" and "illusions" from tags, since they are already in the metadatas.
2. Add "Jacob" and "J." into tags. fixed
3. The mp3 is in 320 kbps. According to the ranking rules, it must be in the range of 128kbps to 196kbps. Consider changing it via. the audio editting program.
4. The mp3 file is too large ~_~ Doing what I've said above should fix it.

I'll fix that.
[Insane]

1. HP-1 OD-1 as it is too harsh in its current state. fixed
2. Before I start my mod, you may see the distance between notes are too unreasonable. Every notes are like 3.00x apart.
   You might want to use the distance spacing to ensure the distance between notes are not too long. fixed
3. Distance spacing-->1.5x I'll fix it
4. Also, this map lacks sliders. Please add some to increase the variations of rhythm instead of 1/2 notes alone. I'll do that.
5. Taking a look at recently ranked beatmaps is a good way to learn some patterns to map 1/2 parts. thanks I'll try it
6. 00:13:655 (1) - Ctrl+G for this one. Too difficult to catch from the previous note. fixed
7. 00:14:276 (1) - Del NC (Delete New Combo) fixed
8. 00:14:482 (1) - Ctrl+G as well for the consistency fixed
9. 00:15:103 (1) - Del NC fixed
10. 00:15:310 (1) - Ctrl+G fixed
11. 00:15:931 (1) - Del NC fixed
12. 00:16:138 (1) - Ctrl+G fixed
13. 00:16:965 (1) - Hmph. I like this slider, but it is not symmetrical. You could check out this thread: t/37194 Will fix it.
14. 00:22:707 (4) - move to 00:22:758 fixed
15. 00:22:758 (4,1) - confusing spacing tried to fix it
16. 00:30:207 (1) - sliders + notes pattern could create more intuitive patterns. Also, 1.00 spacing should be enough: http://puu.sh/2w8hv fixed
17. 00:33:724 (2,3) - making a blanket here seems nice: http://puu.sh/2w8ml done
18. 00:34:551 (4,5,1,2,3,4) - you might want to make a try on this pattern: http://puu.sh/2w8oH http://puu.sh/2w8oY looks good
19. 00:35:379 (1) - NC (New Combo) fixed
20. 00:37:655 (1,2,3) - try to refrain from putting at the corner as the player can hardly touch it fixed
21. 00:40:138 (1) - end at 00:43:241 fixed
22. 00:46:758 (1,2,3,4) - using distance spacing 1.00x will be just fine. It is too hard to follow. http://puu.sh/2wcV0 fixed
23. 00:48:413 (1,2,3,4) - ^ fixed
24. Add Timing section:
    

    BPM:145 Offset:66682

    fixed
    Resnap the notes afterwards will fix it
25. READ:THE MOD BELOW DOES NOT SYNCHRONIZE WITH THE ABOVE TIMING. So please fix them all before you resnap the notes.
26. 01:07:086 (2,4) - whistle fixed
27. 01:08:327 (2,4) - ^ fixed
28. 01:09:000 (1,2,3) - if you want to make a 1/8 stream on 145BPM, I highly recommend you to use a repeating slider instead. I'll think about it.
29. 01:12:931 (8) - remove finish fixed
30. 01:13:707 (2,4) - whistle fixed
31. 01:14:948 (2,4) - ^ fixed
32. 01:17:482 (5) - Why not a normal sampleset for (head?) fixed
33. 01:16:655 (4,5) - Maybe make them a curve?Then mirror it to form (5) http://puu.sh/2wQbp changed in another way.
34. 01:18:155 (1,2,3) - Normal sampleset?Plus they could be directly after (5), like : http://puu.sh/2wQdx fixed
35. 01:20:327 (2,4) - whistle AND SO ON fixed
36. 01:30:672 (1) - Del NC plus according to spacing, you could actually space them like this: http://puu.sh/2wQgt deleted combo, but didn't change the spacing. I will do it if someone else suggests it.
37. 01:36:258 (1,2,3) - they are not straight fixed
38. 01:48:672 (1) - Del NC fixed
39. 01:49:086 (2) - NC fixed
40. 01:51:362 (9) - NC and actually this part could be better fixed and I will think of a solution
41. 02:03:000 Add break? Yeah. I just forgot to do that
42. 02:06:776 (1) - delete it, it is pointless fixed
43. 02:13:293 (1,2,3) - These 3 notes aren't not consistent with the notes afterwards. Besides, you could decrease the overall spacing in this part, 1.50x should have done well. This part is nice actually. fixed and thanks
44. 02:16:189 (1,2) - It'll be better if they do not overlap OR the end of (2) COMPLETELY covers (1) fixed, chosed the 2nd thing
45. 02:22:810 (1) - Maybe you should make this directly stacked above 02:23:431 (2) - so it will not overlaps and.... looks better. fixed
46. 02:23:224 (1) - Del NC fixed
47. 02:26:172 (1) - start from this note, since it is obvious that there are beats every 1/2 beats apart. Maybe you could use some circle+1/2 sliders pattern to construct a part here. Simple squares are just nice enough fixed and i'll think about some patterns
48. 02:32:741 (1) - Please no sudden streams after a relatively calm part. If you decided to map the part above, still, decrease the spacing or players will have a hard time following them. i'll think about something
49. 02:32:741 (1) - Also , Please add a NC on the 17th note on every combo. That'll be: 02:34:396 (17) - 02:36:051 (33) - 02:37:707 (49) - 02:39:362 (65) -
50. 02:39:569 (1,2) - no, please do not make sudden slow down. If you want the player to adjust their rhythm, please use reasonable transition notes. For instance, I would use 1/2 sliders start from 02:39:362 (1) - then slowing tuning it up. i tried something
51. 02:42:672 (5) - Maybe you would want a symmetrical slider here. fixed
52. 02:48:413 (1) - whistle and so on for every (1) fixed
53. 02:59:689 (1) - Why not use Normal sampleset here? changed
54. 03:04:345 (1,2,3,1,2,3,4,1) - Please avoid too much straight lines and right angles as they will be getting more boring in the midst of the diff. Curves and sliders are your friends if you are running out of ideas. Okay, thanks.
55. 03:09:051 (4) - It'll be nicer if it was a trapezium. fixed
56. 03:12:982 (1,2,3,4,5) - You try this rhythm and add a loud hit-normal on each of the slider's head : http://puu.sh/2wSnb fixed. It is a very good idea, since i didn't like that part, too.
57. 03:14:431 (5) - could probably add some 1/2 notes as the transition of the two parts to prevent the awkard pause. fixed
58. 03:15:724 (1) - These sliders are the best part in the diff IMO. It would look better if they were all blankets : http://puu.sh/2wSzd
    Saw the approach circle of (2) and the track of (1). They are nearly in the same curve. It will definitely boost the appeal of the map.
    So do for the 4 upcoming sliders. fixed
59. 03:19:862 (2,3) - make them symmetrical fixed
60. 03:21:517 (4) - NC. Not sure about this one. No I think it's fine this way
61. 03:22:345 (1,2) - Why not stack them together? good idea
62. 03:22:551 (2) - whistle @ the last beat. So do every similar sliders in this part. fixed
63. 03:29:793 (1) - change it to slider like every one you have done previously I like it better the other way, since I want something to change
64. 03:30:672 (1) - Cut this in half and add a repeating 1/16 beat slider. Just to stress that the second half part is more high-pitched(If you know what I mean) fixed, i DO know
65. 03:32:276 Why not map something here with a kiai time? It is like a climax here. (btw you can blame me for not understanding music) For instance, like http://puu.sh/2wSVa could be a nice rhythm for the whole verse with a whistle on the head of (4), which has a cymbal sound in the background. Lasts until 03:51:310 I will think about it. But actually I thought the players would need a little break after such a long map
66. 03:51:439 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8) - Please avoid 1/8 streams. Again, use sliders instead fixed
67. The part afterwards could not really submerge me into enjoying the music. Find a magnificant rhythm that suits the music, plays well and enjoyable.
68. 04:04:138 (4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11,1) - Like this? http://puu.sh/2wT1K fixed
69. 04:07:655 (2,1) - repeat arrow is hidden by other objects which is redeemed unrankable. fixed
70. 04:08:276 (1) - Del NC fixed
71. 04:09:569 (1) - use 3 points for this kind of slider and, flaten it. So do the next 3 sliders. fixed
72. 04:12:051 (9) - finish
73. 05:31:913 (2,4) - whistle or whistle @ head (if there are). So do every similar rhythm changed a bit. Added whistle and clap
74. 05:34:603 (1,2,3) - uneven spacing could be confusing. Btw but it is acceptable for me as a challenge for players didn't change
75. 05:36:052 (9) - NC fixed
76. 05:41:793 (6,7,8,9) - EXTREMELY hard to follow the rhythm. Maybe create a better one? i followed the singer instead of the drums
77. 05:43:448 (1,2,3,4,5) - Please remove some finishes or it would not hears nice fixed
78. 05:44:896 (1,2,3,4) - I have been thinking this for a while, you could possibly arrange them into any quadrilaterals OR an increasing distance, such as http://puu.sh/2wUc6 fixed, i made it less confusing
    Just remember to add the appropriate whistles, in case you forgot.
79. 05:49:655 (3,5) - This overlap is unfitting IMO changed something
80. 05:52:396 (5) - This note feels excess to me, but it will stay fine if you keep it. changed (4) into a slider and added inheriting section
81. 05:52:810 (1,2,3,4) - could be a better square if you want i dont want a real square here
82. 05:55:086 (1) - could be put further away, and a 1/2 slider like this is certainly not intuitive :< fixed a bit
83. 05:55:086 (1,2,3) - arrange them like this? http://puu.sh/2wUv6 did sth else
84. 05:57:155 (1,1) - Del NC fixed
85. 05:57:569 (4) - ^ fixed
    Will it be better if they were like this? http://puu.sh/2wUAQ
    Code:Symmetrical, semi-blanket
86. 05:58:396 (1) - Del NC fixed
87. 05:59:017 (1,1) - ^ fixed
88. 05:59:431 (2) - NC fixed
89. 05:59:844 (1) - Del NC Plus space it somewhere so it won't overlaps fixed
90. 06:01:188 (1) - Del NC fixed
91. 06:01:085 (1,1,2) - not in straight if you want changed differently
92. 06:00:361 (1,2) - Del NC fixed
93. 06:00:775 (1,2) - ^ fixed
94. 06:04:499 (1) - Del NC fixed
95. so on with the similar pattern
96. 06:14:534 (1) - Find someway to avoid most of the overlappings here
97. 06:37:862 (1) - This part is not enjoyable IMO. But I don't have an idea to improve it. maybe i'll think of something
98. 06:47:172 (11,1,2,3) - This spacing is ridiculously large and is not that fit. fixed
99. For the rest of the part. Err, it is like that my brain is completely washed and nothing could come out from my brain. I think you could consult more experienced modders. If I was correct, Kiyoshi would come with a new SB and another mod for you. Stay tuned