2017-10-03 22:24 Litharrale: wosugao
2017-10-03 22:24 Litharrale: ACTION is listening to [https://osu.ppy.sh/b/1427857 Elephante - Hold ft. Jessica Jarrell (Candyland Remix)]
2017-10-03 22:24 Alice RP Name: hai
2017-10-03 22:24 Litharrale: So first things first 
2017-10-03 22:24 Litharrale: What's your intention with this map?
2017-10-03 22:25 Litharrale: it is your first but do you intend to try and rank it?
2017-10-03 22:25 Alice RP Name: hopefully yea
2017-10-03 22:25 Litharrale: alright, i'll make sure to go through all the ranking things as well then
2017-10-03 22:25 Litharrale: lets start with your top diff
2017-10-03 22:25 Litharrale: ACTION is editing [https://osu.ppy.sh/b/1427858 Elephante - Hold ft. Jessica Jarrell (Candyland Remix) [Letting Go]]
2017-10-03 22:25 Alice RP Name: after i've sorted this, i will be making one that isn't for rank, but this current one is
2017-10-03 22:25 Alice RP Name: so the harder one xd
2017-10-03 22:26 Litharrale: so before anything about the maps themselves, to rank a set you need to have at least 2 difficulties with one of them being below 2 stars
2017-10-03 22:26 Litharrale: your lowest one is 2.29* so it's unrankable atm unless you make a new diff
2017-10-03 22:26 Alice RP Name: really D:
2017-10-03 22:26 Litharrale: yeah it's annoying :l
2017-10-03 22:26 Alice RP Name: idk how i, personally, can edit it to have that
2017-10-03 22:26 Litharrale: yeah you'd probably be better off just making a new diff 
2017-10-03 22:26 Litharrale: alright so I'm going to give you links like this 00:02:339 (2339|0) - 
2017-10-03 22:26 Alice RP Name: i made it as beginner as i could in the 2* haha
2017-10-03 22:27 Litharrale: if you click them, it'll take you to the notes that I'm looking at 
2017-10-03 22:27 Alice RP Name: oki
2017-10-03 22:27 Litharrale: alright so
2017-10-03 22:27 Litharrale: Hitsound volume is really loud at 100%, gonna want to lower that a bit
2017-10-03 22:27 Litharrale: hit F6 and lower the volume of all your points to like... hmmm.. 30%ish
2017-10-03 22:28 Alice RP Name: i thought that. but i didn't know where to change it
2017-10-03 22:28 Litharrale: like this if you need help https://puu.sh/xOWOa/6f4a5c4f22.mp4
2017-10-03 22:29 Alice RP Name: yea
2017-10-03 22:29 Litharrale: while we're in the timing window, SVs below 0.1 are unrankable as well 
2017-10-03 22:29 Litharrale: so your points where you have it set as "0.01" need to be changed
2017-10-03 22:29 Alice RP Name: really :c
2017-10-03 22:29 Alice RP Name: rip
2017-10-03 22:29 Litharrale: lots of rules to follow for ranked status D:
2017-10-03 22:30 Alice RP Name: i looked at the ranking criteria and didn't see that :c is there a seperate one for mania
2017-10-03 22:30 Litharrale: on the bright side though, that's pretty much it when it comes to settings and stuff 
2017-10-03 22:30 Litharrale: for a first map this isnt bad 
2017-10-03 22:30 Alice RP Name: yay
2017-10-03 22:30 Litharrale: yeah there is
2017-10-03 22:30 Alice RP Name: can you link me it please?
2017-10-03 22:31 Litharrale: hmmm i can only find the old one https://osu.ppy.sh/help/wiki/Ranking_Criteria/osu!mania
2017-10-03 22:31 Litharrale: wonder where the current one has gone :thinking:
2017-10-03 22:31 Litharrale: ill pm you it later when i find it
2017-10-03 22:31 Litharrale: make sure all your green and red lines are snapped to ticks https://imgur-archive.ppy.sh/ER6rt1s.png
2017-10-03 22:31 Alice RP Name: oki
2017-10-03 22:32 Alice RP Name: i've done ctrl+s, is there anything else i need to do for it to update
2017-10-03 22:32 Alice RP Name: like, for you to get the updated version
2017-10-03 22:32 Litharrale: dw about that, update when we're done
2017-10-03 22:32 Alice RP Name: ok
2017-10-03 22:32 Alice RP Name: cus i changed the 0.01 SVs to 0.1 and idk how that feels
2017-10-03 22:33 Alice RP Name: and they should be
2017-10-03 22:33 Litharrale: 00:09:262 (9262|0,11569|0) - these LNs are really close together, the ones are the start are close too but it's not that bad 
2017-10-03 22:33 Litharrale: these ones though are a little too close for the SR rating
2017-10-03 22:34 Alice RP Name: ah, looking at the imgur thing, make sure the beat snap divisor is on 1/16. that's what i mapped most of it on
2017-10-03 22:34 Litharrale: try to be consistent with how you map sounds that are the same. For example here 00:11:569 (11569|1,11569|3) - you have the bass as a double but here 00:13:012 (13012|1,13012|2,13012|3) - it's a triple
2017-10-03 22:34 Litharrale: yeah dont use 1/16 :P
2017-10-03 22:34 Alice RP Name: for the LNs you linked, how are they too close? i've seen that kinda thing in lots of other maps
2017-10-03 22:34 Litharrale: The song is timed to 4/4 timing (so far) so using 1/16 is overkill
2017-10-03 22:35 Alice RP Name: i had it for precision
2017-10-03 22:35 Litharrale: There are a lot of maps that have LNs close like that but 1/8 is really pushing it 
2017-10-03 22:35 Litharrale: and usually they have a good reason for the LNs being in the same column, such as the LNs are identical pitch piano sounds or something
2017-10-03 22:36 Alice RP Name: i could move it over a collumn or 2... 1 sec
2017-10-03 22:36 Alice RP Name: ok i've done that
2017-10-03 22:36 Litharrale: 00:15:896 (15896|2,16004|2,16113|2) - These should be snapped to 1/6 rather than 1/16
2017-10-03 22:37 Alice RP Name: thought they seemed off
2017-10-03 22:37 Alice RP Name: tbh i didn't think of changing the BSD too much...
2017-10-03 22:37 Litharrale: rule of thumb i like to follow, if you're ever using above 1/6 snap, somethings probably wrong 
2017-10-03 22:37 Litharrale: not always, but usually 
2017-10-03 22:38 Litharrale: 99.9% of songs are in 1/4 and sometimes 1/6 
2017-10-03 22:38 Alice RP Name: oki
2017-10-03 22:38 Alice RP Name: like i said, i had it for precision (like, to set the offset at the beginning). but most of it could probs fall into those 2
2017-10-03 22:39 Litharrale: 00:23:036 (23036|3,23108|3) - this is a brutal jack
2017-10-03 22:39 Alice RP Name: yea i'm gonna be changing that
2017-10-03 22:39 Litharrale: 00:22:819 (22819|1,22927|2,23036|3) - they should be on 1/6 
2017-10-03 22:39 Litharrale: it'll make the jack less brutal
2017-10-03 22:39 Litharrale: but still wewlad tier
2017-10-03 22:39 Alice RP Name: done that aha
2017-10-03 22:39 Litharrale: songs only 104bpm so its not that rough
2017-10-03 22:40 Alice RP Name: and should i just remove one of the notes and move the LN over to the left, or move the LN and replace it with a note
2017-10-03 22:40 Litharrale: 00:25:127 (25127|1,25235|1,25343|1) - more notes that are 1/6, i'll stop mentioning them cause im sure you get the point haha
2017-10-03 22:40 Litharrale: It's 100% up to you 
2017-10-03 22:40 Alice RP Name: since it's a bass note that hits right after it
2017-10-03 22:40 Litharrale: depends how you want your map to be played 
2017-10-03 22:40 Alice RP Name: i'll swap a note and the LN over
2017-10-03 22:41 Alice RP Name: and i done that too aha
2017-10-03 22:41 Litharrale: personally i think this plays nicely https://imgur-archive.ppy.sh/wINtUjS.png
2017-10-03 22:41 Alice RP Name: ah nevermind lmao. moving the LN breaks a bit of the map
2017-10-03 22:41 Alice RP Name: yea
2017-10-03 22:41 Alice RP Name: reversing it would work
2017-10-03 22:42 Alice RP Name: but it is a bass note after them, so should i leave it as a note jack?
2017-10-03 22:42 Litharrale: 00:30:031 (30031|1) - length of this LN is really right hand heavy 
2017-10-03 22:42 Litharrale: might want to consider moving some of those notes to col 1
2017-10-03 22:42 Litharrale: which one?
2017-10-03 22:42 Litharrale: 00:23:108 (23108|2,23108|3) - this?
2017-10-03 22:42 Alice RP Name: one you mentioned about the 'brutal jack'
2017-10-03 22:42 Alice RP Name: yea
2017-10-03 22:43 Alice RP Name: i reversed it tho
2017-10-03 22:43 Litharrale: well, usually snares have more notes than bass anyway so it should probably be just 2 notes
2017-10-03 22:43 Alice RP Name: https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/9232274
2017-10-03 22:43 Alice RP Name: i thought the bass had a bit more impact in this song than the snares
2017-10-03 22:43 Alice RP Name: does it matter too much so long as it's consistent?
2017-10-03 22:44 Litharrale: thats why i didnt mention it 
2017-10-03 22:44 Litharrale: its up to you
2017-10-03 22:44 Litharrale: yeah as long as its consistent
2017-10-03 22:44 Alice RP Name: ah ok
2017-10-03 22:44 Litharrale: it does have the downside of making mapping a /little/ harder because the start of measures are usually bass hits like 00:23:108 (23108|2,23108|3) - 
2017-10-03 22:44 Litharrale: so you run into problems like now where its like 
2017-10-03 22:44 Litharrale: "do i make a jack or just remove the note"
2017-10-03 22:44 Alice RP Name: doing what you suggested (removing one of the notes) breaks consistency. is that ok, so long as it makes it better to play
2017-10-03 22:44 Alice RP Name: yea
2017-10-03 22:45 Alice RP Name: by better, i mean, more comfortable
2017-10-03 22:45 Litharrale: yeah I think it's ok
2017-10-03 22:45 Alice RP Name: ok
2017-10-03 22:45 Litharrale: removing a note to avoid a 1/6 jack is reasonable
2017-10-03 22:45 Alice RP Name: done
2017-10-03 22:46 Litharrale: 00:31:040 (31040|3) - if this is mapped to the vocals it should probably be two LNs since it's two different words
2017-10-03 22:46 Litharrale: actually 3 words but that might be pushing it
2017-10-03 22:46 Litharrale: wait no 2 words
2017-10-03 22:46 Litharrale: "the worlds"
2017-10-03 22:46 Alice RP Name: yea i noticed that
2017-10-03 22:46 Alice RP Name: i'm just doing the LN after that, moving it to c1
2017-10-03 22:47 Litharrale: 00:39:730 (39730|1,39730|0,39730|2,40127|2,40127|1,40127|3) - Triples for this sound but only singles for the same sound just a bit ahead00:40:596 (40596|1,40992|0) - 
2017-10-03 22:47 Litharrale: imo make them all doubles 
2017-10-03 22:48 Alice RP Name: show me how you would do that section?
2017-10-03 22:48 Alice RP Name: or, how you mean, rather
2017-10-03 22:49 Litharrale: tick tock
2017-10-03 22:49 Litharrale: upload pls
2017-10-03 22:49 Alice RP Name: ?
2017-10-03 22:50 Litharrale: my internets being slow 
2017-10-03 22:50 Litharrale: there we go
2017-10-03 22:50 Litharrale: probably something like this https://imgur-archive.ppy.sh/mnKTcIa.png
2017-10-03 22:50 Alice RP Name: oh lmao
2017-10-03 22:50 Alice RP Name: how come you got rid of one of the jacks?
2017-10-03 22:51 Litharrale: cant hear anything there 
2017-10-03 22:51 Alice RP Name: you gone to 25% speed?
2017-10-03 22:51 Litharrale: well
2017-10-03 22:51 Litharrale: the vocals there but i was just mapping to the percussion
2017-10-03 22:51 Litharrale: dont copy mine if you wanna keep the vocals in
2017-10-03 22:52 Alice RP Name: aha yea, i was doing vocals as well
2017-10-03 22:52 Alice RP Name: https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/9232310 ?
2017-10-03 22:53 Litharrale: looks good
2017-10-03 22:53 Litharrale: turn off 1/16 snap though
2017-10-03 22:53 Alice RP Name: aha sorry
2017-10-03 22:53 Litharrale: 00:41:425 (41425|3,41461|2,41497|3,41533|1,41569|3,41605|0) - this uh 
2017-10-03 22:53 Litharrale: This is interesting
2017-10-03 22:53 Litharrale: you should delete it though
2017-10-03 22:54 Alice RP Name: yea the jack on [4] with the LN is... hard to hit
2017-10-03 22:54 Alice RP Name: i've only hit it once lmao
2017-10-03 22:54 Litharrale: yeah that jack might be the hardest jack ive ever seen
2017-10-03 22:54 Alice RP Name: try it, tell me if you hit it
2017-10-03 22:54 Litharrale: aight
2017-10-03 22:54 Alice RP Name: ikr
2017-10-03 22:54 Litharrale: oh wait i cant i already got rid of it 
2017-10-03 22:54 Alice RP Name: i'm gonna move it lmao
2017-10-03 22:54 Litharrale: shit
2017-10-03 22:55 Alice RP Name: lmao
2017-10-03 22:55 Alice RP Name: https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/9232310
2017-10-03 22:55 Alice RP Name: that's what it looked like
2017-10-03 22:55 Alice RP Name: wait wrong
2017-10-03 22:55 Litharrale: the vocal you mapped starts on the measure rather than before it so you can do something like this https://imgur-archive.ppy.sh/wj49bvU.png
2017-10-03 22:55 Alice RP Name: https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/9232319
2017-10-03 22:55 Alice RP Name: that one
2017-10-03 22:55 Litharrale: oi
2017-10-03 22:55 Litharrale: 1/16 snap off
2017-10-03 22:55 Litharrale: now >:(
2017-10-03 22:55 Alice RP Name: eep
2017-10-03 22:56 Alice RP Name: still, tell me if you hit it
2017-10-03 22:56 Litharrale: i wish 
2017-10-03 22:57 Litharrale: im too bad though
2017-10-03 22:57 Litharrale: im above 10k ):
2017-10-03 22:57 Alice RP Name: rip
2017-10-03 22:57 Litharrale: 00:43:805 (43805|2,43877|2) - more wew jacks 
2017-10-03 22:57 Litharrale: most of the maps SR are probably from jacks like these
2017-10-03 22:57 Alice RP Name: yea
2017-10-03 22:57 Litharrale: 00:45:175 (45175|2,45319|2,45464|2,45608|2,45752|2,45896|2) - try to avoid long stacks like these, puts a lot of stress on a single finger which isnt too nice
2017-10-03 22:58 Alice RP Name: 1 sec
2017-10-03 22:58 Alice RP Name: still trying to do the hard jack part
2017-10-03 22:58 Litharrale: 00:48:492 (48492|3,49069|3,49358|1,49646|2,49935|0) - these are all 1/4 long rather than 1/8 long
2017-10-03 22:58 Alice RP Name: i want the jacks in there, as they represent the music, but i want them to be a lot easier to hit
2017-10-03 22:58 Litharrale: just make them farther apart
2017-10-03 22:58 Litharrale: maybe 1/4
2017-10-03 22:58 Litharrale: if that fits
2017-10-03 22:59 Litharrale: dude i was looking at your rank 
2017-10-03 22:59 Litharrale: https://imgur-archive.ppy.sh/UiMAPkL.png wtf happened 30 days ago
2017-10-03 22:59 Alice RP Name: idk that happens sometimes
2017-10-03 22:59 Alice RP Name: in-game it doesn't change, but that graph likes to dip
2017-10-03 22:59 Litharrale: huh 
2017-10-03 23:00 Alice RP Name: https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/9232347
2017-10-03 23:00 Alice RP Name: ?
2017-10-03 23:01 Litharrale:  no
2017-10-03 23:01 Litharrale: the LN should start on the bar (thick white line)
2017-10-03 23:01 Litharrale: and that jack is just 
2017-10-03 23:01 Litharrale: i dont think theres a way to make it work
2017-10-03 23:01 Litharrale: its super rough
2017-10-03 23:01 Litharrale: like if you reallllllllly want it 
2017-10-03 23:01 Litharrale: you can leave it 
2017-10-03 23:02 Litharrale: but it's the same as a 200bpm normal jack which is just wew
2017-10-03 23:02 Alice RP Name: i had the same thing earlier - i think it's LN placement isn't it. and on 25% speed you hear "sharks" start there, but yea, on 100% it sounds like it should start later...
2017-10-03 23:03 Litharrale: hmmm 
2017-10-03 23:03 Litharrale: the "ssssss" starts before 
2017-10-03 23:03 Litharrale: but the actual word in on beat
2017-10-03 23:03 Litharrale: is on beat*
2017-10-03 23:03 Alice RP Name: yea
2017-10-03 23:03 Alice RP Name: also
2017-10-03 23:03 Alice RP Name: https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/9232361
2017-10-03 23:03 Alice RP Name: idk wtf these 2 notes are doing here
2017-10-03 23:03 Litharrale: scerap em
2017-10-03 23:04 Litharrale: Looked through the rest of the map and everything else is just a repeat of what I've already said so not much point 
2017-10-03 23:04 Litharrale: just make sure everythings snapped to 1/4 unless it really definitely 10000% isnt 
2017-10-03 23:05 Alice RP Name: yea
2017-10-03 23:05 Litharrale: i gotta do another mod before i go to bed so i cant do your lower diff now 
2017-10-03 23:05 Litharrale: dont forget to kudosu me in your thread (:
2017-10-03 23:05 Alice RP Name: i will :3
2017-10-03 23:05 Alice RP Name: ..
2017-10-03 23:05 Alice RP Name: if i knew how
2017-10-03 23:05 Alice RP Name: xD