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Title:All of you is all of me
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Version:Chaoz's Easy
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MrSergio wrote:
wcx:
- 00:13:924 (4,5) - umh... these feel really really overmapped. I can overlook some smaller overmaps (like 00:04:924 (2,3) - ) since they fit, but in this case I would do something like... https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/7998631 to catch that strange sound playing on 00:13:924 - .
Give it a try and see.
well actually I'm not following the strange sound at 00:13:924 - only, I'm following the quiet but heavy drums in the background(you can hear them from 00:13:549 - to 00:14:205 - clearly)
Btw, you do map that sound for 01:25:924 (1) - , so it might be good for consistency too, to change the one above ^
I didn't choose the same rhythm for this one it's because that this part is just after a break time, it's better to build up a transition for players here, so it's better to use some simpler rhyhtm here. also although this 2 part sounds the same but the time gap is huge enough(they are in different parts of the song), the little inconsistent won't lead to any misleading imo- 01:13:924 (7,8,1) - you might want to consider reducing spacing for these. The song is clearly calmer and calmer, yet spacing is still big
reasonable, so I moved 01:14:111 (8) - to a new position. the spacing should fit better now
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Thanks for checking this old mapset! I'd like to hear more about the tick rate thing though.MrSergio wrote:
heyo
popping reasons in bold
General:Expert:
- Please use slider tick rate 1 on all diffs. The song doesn't present any constant 1/2 rhythm, hence the change I ask here 90%
of the song has an ongoing 1/2 track, so I'm not sure why tick rate 2 is not okay. Do you mind elaborating further on the reasoning?Normal:
- 02:25:924 (1,2) - consider how the song calms down, it would have been cool to put shorter spacing here. Take a look at your Insane and see what you did there The insane had a slider there, but the section is intense and calms down starting at 02:26:299 (1) - so I used high spacing before that point.
Once you check, fixed the issue (and additional stuff) and got the bubble again call me back and we can go
- 02:25:924 (7) - what do you think of just a circle? This sound is pretty different from the previous sliders imo the sound is prety different but I don't feel it's fitting when I put a circle there
thanks for mod!MrSergio wrote:
wkyik's Insane:
- 00:12:986 (6) - that finsh on the tail @.@ why is it there lol
reference to the background music- 00:17:299 (1,2) - please stack. It is not the same as 00:12:986 (6,1) - hence you should avoid the same visual pattern.
Fixed- 02:26:299 (1) - umh... it probably works better stacked on the next slider. It also is more readable that way
consistent with 01:13:924 (5,1) - , also i dont think it will be big trouble on reading
xxdeathx wrote:
MrSergio wrote:
Expert:I was implying that the song calms down from 02:25:924 - and that the fact you placed a slider there in the Insane means that something in your mind was telling you that too, perhaps. I still think a little spacing decrease would fit better, but heh...
- 02:25:924 (1,2) - consider how the song calms down, it would have been cool to put shorter spacing here. Take a look at your Insane and see what you did there The insane had a slider there, but the section is intense and calms down starting at 02:26:299 (1) - so I used high spacing before that point.
Normal:but why not? .-. I mean, you clearly start a new rhythm with 02:26:299 (1) - and you yourself said it is a different sound, so making it contrast with the rest seems somewhat logical here... (or not? )
- 02:25:924 (7) - what do you think of just a circle? This sound is pretty different from the previous sliders imo the sound is prety different but I don't feel it's fitting when I put a circle there
Thanks.MrSergio wrote:
Hard:
- 00:15:986 (4) - pretty sure this is not the same thing as 00:14:299 (1,2,3) - so maybe change it a little? (I suggest a 1/1 slider instead) // 01:24:986 (4) - same It's the same to me because it's part of the same grouping of accented notes in the brass.
- 00:31:549 (5,6) - similar to above. Those 2 objects don't really fall on identical beats, hence it feels a bit meh to have them like that.
Make 3 a 1/1 slider instead? These objects show the straight rhythm in the strings, since it contrasts with the 3/2 beat groupings in the brass earlier in the phrase and make nice transition.- 00:39:236 (3) - I'd move this to x344 y244 to make sure the gap between 00:39:236 (3,4) - and 00:39:986 (5,6) - is not the same on the playfield, since it might be causing reading problems Moved (4) to reduce 1/2 beat distance spacing.
- 00:48:986 (1,2) - a repeat slider here would work better instead, since you literally skip 2 strong beats by placing them on slider ends: 00:48:799 - 00:49:174 - .
With that slider repeat you sort of fix it without remapping it, but emphasis is really poor here for a diff that should still be fairly intuitive for players No, I'm keeping brass instrument 3/2 emphasis until the transition at the last two beats. It's consistent with the rest of the map.- 01:11:861 (2,3,4) - again. Don't, and I say don't, put such sort of gaps relying on the fact players will read this, because they won't,
not at this sort of difficulty at least. 01:12:424 (3) - make it x0 y148 perhaps You don't have to write in such an aggressive tone. Made it more readable.- 01:53:299 (1) - please stack on next object instead. You totally throw away your emphasis here. The jump should go on the strong beat (01:53:299 - ) and not on the weak beat (01:53:486 - ) in comparison Stacked.
- 02:31:924 (6) - might want to add a NC No.
MrSergio wrote:
wcx:
If you tell me {"quiet" and "heavy" drum beats} it makes no sense since it's contradicting itself.
Moreover, there is no drum beat whatsoever at 00:14:111 - so the point is invalid from the start
sorry my old words is a bit misleading. they're not heavy indeed, but they are not invisible either. those sounds can be hear clearly from 00:13:549 - to 00:14:205 - with 1/4 rhythms even they are actually quiet. the result is that I'm following something which obviously exists, I think this is never called as overmap.
Let me also add how by using 00:12:424 (4,1) - you literally focus the attention on the foreground instruments, so your switch to background instruments feels inappropriate at that point of the combo. You could do that more efficiently with a new Combo (hey, doesn't this sound similar to what I suggested in the screen? :thinking: )
sorry but I'm not sure what you means here.. if you think the new combo setting is misleading then I could fix that, or if not maybe you could explain again in more clear way
Anyway, your call. I would rather have a more logical reply tho.
And in regards of the second part: I wasn't pointing to any misleading thing or anything, just that you actually focused on that sound in a similar rhythm, so why isn't it the same everywhere? (don't give me the "variety" excuse, cause this song is not that long and it is repetitive itself, which makes "variety" not an option imo)
in fact I'm not focused on the same sounds in the 2 parts. the first I'm focused on the background quiet sounds(00:13:549 - to 00:14:205 - maybe they are drums, you can hear it carefully). the second part I'm focused on the loud and clear sound(01:25:924 - ). I didn't focused on the same thing at the 2 part at first(though they have same sounds in some tracks), so your point is a bit invalid imo. cuz I didn't handle the 2 parts in similar way so they could be different imo
Yes, slider tick rate works around based on the song, not with the map. In this case, STR needs to be set to 2 because of the amount of beats in between every 1/2 beat.xxdeathx wrote:
is it necessary to make tick rates consistent across different guest difficulties?
00:13:549 (2,3,4,5) - at 100% playback I can hear this sound VERY clearlyYuii- wrote:
normal-hitnormal is the sampleset used in wcx's difficulty during the Kiai. There is no normal-hitnormal.wav, it's the default hitsound that is being used.
Also, yes, those are overmapped. What you can listen with 25% playback speed is the same sound that can be heard throughout the entire song; but that's why we play with 100% volume, hence why your difficulty has only 1/2 patterns during that timestamp.
Xexxar wrote:
[wcx's Extreme]
00:50:580 (2,2) - Why are you mapping a blue tick slider when there is literally no beat on the blue tick? This happens multiple times and I do not understand why this decision was made. This is basically wrong snap + overmap. These play terribly as they do not fit the music. Please see to fixing this.
I'm doing this is doing something like custom triple clicks, some of this kind of patterns might not follow song but it won't be hard to read/play at all. otherwise,
I don't think they they play bad but they play well imo. not following song not equals to playing bad imo. this works same as triples and I don't see any custom triples would make it play bad, only the bading using of them does..
Yuii- wrote:
@wcx: 00:13:549 (2,3,4,5) - these are overmapped
This is kind of personal and I do understand that this is a very, very old difficulty, but there are a lot of inconsistent rhythms that make little to no sense with the background music. Would be nice if you could go over the difficulty and maybe reconsider some of them? (it's all over the map, hard to give you examples)
this is not overmap cuz I'm following the sounds that obviously exists in the musc, you can listen to the background carefully. besides I don't think the rhythm is inconsistent, the song itself has a sudden high density rhythm and I just followed it. if the song changed its rhythm I don't see anything bad that I also change.
if I miss anything special in the song rhythm, the map might full of 1/2 rhythm, I think it's totally consistent but must be boring to play. so I don't like to do it
... I mean the nature of this game is a rhythm game. Deliberately ignoring the song and mapping clickable beats to things that don't exist rhythmically and creating overmapped triplets is not acceptable. If we allow this type of mapping we might as well just remove the requirement that maps need to be properly timed.wcx19911123 wrote:
XexxarXexxar wrote:
[wcx's Extreme]
00:50:580 (2,2) - Why are you mapping a blue tick slider when there is literally no beat on the blue tick? This happens multiple times and I do not understand why this decision was made. This is basically wrong snap + overmap. These play terribly as they do not fit the music. Please see to fixing this.
I'm doing this is doing something like custom triple clicks, some of this kind of patterns might not follow song but it won't be hard to read/play at all. otherwise,
I don't think they they play bad but they play well imo. not following song not equals to playing bad imo. this works same as triples and I don't see any custom triples would make it play bad, only the bading using of them does..
Gonna try to stay out of the argument as much as I can, but let's not just repeat the same "is extra notes bAd??" argument that's been happening for years and years and never went anywhere. Some people like it, others don't, and neither side's going to change their mind. The discussion will be much cleaner and faster by suggesting other rhythms you find more fitting.Xexxar wrote:
... I mean the nature of this game is a rhythm game. Deliberately ignoring the song and mapping clickable beats to things that don't exist rhythmically and creating overmapped triplets is not acceptable. i mean, it's been seen as acceptable for years and years and even 6 days ago, i know we shouldn't use individual maps to defend a new map but a long-lasting concept in the community hasn't been dismissed in the last 6 days so you'll need a more compelling argument
If we allow this type of mapping we might as well just remove the requirement that maps need to be properly timed. pls try to avoid big exaggerated arguments like this, it doesn't rly add anything to your case and just makes both sides of the argument more annoyed (and i mean most ppl that do additive-style rhythming stuff do it bc they think it fits the song, while a mistimed map clearly wouldnt)
I am strongly advising that you change these overmapped beats that do not accurately reflect the song.
It is an issue when you are supposed to show a proper spread but two of your difficulties play exactly the same and have no difference whatsoever because 95% is the same due to same spacing emphasis and density. The Expert should be harder overall (for obvious reasons) and the SR also shows that it's supposed to be harder which isn't the case because only the 1-2-1-2 patterns are harder while the rest of the map is the same just with different patterning.xxdeathx wrote:
I don't know how the graphs were generated or what I'm expecting to infer from them, but I don't need them to tell me the Insane and Expert diffs are similar—after all it is two difficulties of the same song by the same mapper (who tried to use the same style). As long as no gap between any two consecutive difficulties is too large, it shouldn't be an issue.