I'd say with the changes to the system and some of the maps that are getting ranked today, this is completely rankable and enjoyable.
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btw rizia loves rize avatars
http://puu.sh/v1YKv/7312622fcb.zip
thanks for mod
@xxdx: plz help me stack 00:17:674 (2) - under 00:17:299 (1) - tail thanks!
http://puu.sh/vIxG0/6ce4b2b7e2.zip
It would also be nice to mute the slidertails on every 3/4 slider because the usage of normal-hitnormal on them is extremely loud for what the mapper is trying to follow.
@wcx: 00:13:549 (2,3,4,5) - these are overmapped
This is kind of personal and I do understand that this is a very, very old difficulty, but there are a lot of inconsistent rhythms that make little to no sense with the background music. Would be nice if you could go over the difficulty and maybe reconsider some of them? (it's all over the map, hard to give you examples)
I am strongly advising that you change these overmapped beats that do not accurately reflect the song.
the sliders should be fine now
It would make me really sad at the direction ranked mapping is headed in if mappers were discouraged from mapping the finer details of a song just because some people have extremely low quality headphones that bury it.
I don't disagree that things that can't be discerned while listening to the song at normal playback speeds probably don't warrant their own clickables but I also don't think you can make an objective guideline using this due to a variety of factors.
For additional perspective, as a musician in a large ensemble it is recommended that you try to focus on listening to a different "part" (collection of instruments) on every play-through of a piece to build a better understanding of the music and how you fit into it. For a quality piece of music you could listen to the same recording of it dozens of times and still hear new things. Since your perception of the music can change on a day to day basis and is dependent both on how trained your ear is and the audio equipment you are using there isn't enough consistency to provide any objectivity without being heavily restrictive.
http://puu.sh/weaVM/49349e67d4.zip
So uh... is this map officially dead?
Would be extremely depressing if so.
Would be extremely depressing if so.
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Hello, from our queue w. Modding the Insane as requested. o/ I loved that Maki ♥
[Insane]
Goodluck!
[Insane]
- 00:03:986 (2,3) - Blanket?
- 00:05:299 (1) - Stack sliderend properly pls.
- 00:17:861 (3,5) - ^
- 00:18:424 (5,7) - ^^
- 00:20:861 (2,4) - Blanket?
- 00:35:299 (1,3) - Stack
- 00:48:799 (10) - NC here probably?
- 00:50:861 (3,4) - Blanket?
- 00:59:299 (1,2) - ^
- 02:00:799 (10) - NC here?
- 02:16:174 (6) - Stack
Topic Starter
Thanks Aqua! Everything not replied to was fixed.-Aqua wrote:
Hello, from our queue w. Modding the Insane as requested. o/ I loved that Maki ♥ me too
[Insane]I couldn't find anything else wrong. I guess this is my long nm
- 00:03:986 (2,3) - Blanket?
- 00:05:299 (1) - Stack sliderend properly pls.
- 00:17:861 (3,5) - ^ already stacked
- 00:18:424 (5,7) - ^^
- 00:20:861 (2,4) - Blanket?
- 00:35:299 (1,3) - Stack
- 00:48:799 (10) - NC here probably?
- 00:50:861 (3,4) - Blanket?
- 00:59:299 (1,2) - ^
- 02:00:799 (10) - NC here?
- 02:16:174 (6) - Stack it'd change the sliders in a way that won't fit as well so i'll have to leave it as is
Goodluck!
hi, from queue thx for cute pana pic
huh this map is really old
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chaoz' easy]
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wcx's extreme]
huh this map is really old
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- you end sliders on more important sounds than they start a lot (like starting on red ending on white), seems odd imo
- 00:11:299 (1,2,3) - maybe similar rhythm with 00:08:299 (1,2,3) - instead since they map the same sounds
- 00:15:986 (3) - sliderend is the stronger sound imo, ctrl+g this with 00:15:424 (2) - for rhythm
- 00:17:299 (1,2,3) - yeah
- 00:45:986 (2,3) - change rhythm to 00:48:986 (2,3) - for consistency
- 01:22:924 (4) - downbeat should be clickable imo
- 01:36:424 (2,3,4) - change rhythm to 01:33:424 (2,3) - for consistency
- 01:48:986 (2,3) - consistency, 01:51:986 (2,3) -
- 01:53:299 (1) - blanket could be improved
- refer to first point in chaoz' diff
- 01:51:424 (3) - i'm not sure new players will be able to follow this that well
- 02:05:299 (1) (and similar sliders) - isnt there something in the ranking criteria about avoiding sliders with unclear sliderpaths on normals? (which included sliders that go slightly back on themselves iirc)
- 02:29:299 (1) - this is gonna be kinda hard for noobs to follow
- 00:31:549 (5) - could blanket 6 as well
- 00:35:299 (1,2,3) - easy to misread as a full 1/2 or 1/1 stack
- 00:36:236 (4) - make this the same distance from 3 as 5 is, would look neater imo
- 00:40:924 (7) - kinda uncomfortable/hard to read for players around this skill level i think
- 01:09:049 (3,4) - doesnt really work since you used a 1/2 stack prior to this
- 01:30:986 (5) - ctrl+g for flow?
- 01:47:861 (3,4) - overlap could look better if 4's body overlapped 3's sliderend like this
- 01:53:861 (3,4) - ctrl+g on 4 and stacking 3 on 4's new sliderhead would make for more comfortable flow imo, same goes for 01:54:424 (5,6) -
- 00:15:424 (3,4,5) - potentially confusing since two different gaps in rhythm are in the same stack
- 00:18:986 (1,2,3) - yeah
- 00:42:424 (3,1,2) - um
- 00:55:924 (4,1) - blanket
- 01:05:299 (1,2) - also could blanket
- 01:54:424 (4,5,1) - why
- 02:25:549 (5,6,1) - last one
- 02:31:549 (1) - probably would be better as an extended slider into 02:31:924 -
- this experimental style is pretty neat, i like it
- 00:03:986 (2,3) - refer to easy/normal mods
- 00:30:236 (4) - would be better if stacked on 2 to give 5 spacing emphasis (also for consistency with 00:41:299 (1,2,3,4) - )
- 00:56:861 (3,4) - blanket
- 01:02:299 (1,2) - blanket?
- 01:02:861 (2) - ctrl+g for more comfortable flow
- 00:49:924 (5) - ctrl+g for flow
- 00:56:861 (3,4) - could be blanketed better
- 00:24:236 (3,4,5) - flow too wide here
- 00:33:424 (1,2,3) - ouch
- 00:43:549 (1) - unnecessary nc imo
- 00:47:486 (2,3,4) - flow too wide
- 01:57:424 (1,2) - in comparison to the rest of the space-after-slider thing this is too spaced, nerf this since it shouldnt be emphasized this much. this occurs repeatedly thru the entire map so i guess its a spacing concept the map uses, but i feel it's too overdone
Topic Starter
thanks newton!newton- wrote:
hi, from queue thx for cute pana pic np lol
huh this map is really old it is, decided to try ranking it again now
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- refer to first point in chaoz' diff you end sliders on more important sounds than they start a lot (like starting on red ending on white), seems odd imo What is your idea of important sounds in this song? For me, outside of kiai times the important sounds are clearly on every 3/2 beat, which will have red ticks sometimes. In kiai, it could be on 3/2 beats if you follow the main melody, or some white ticks that have claps, and I try to follow both while maintaining 1/1 or 1/2 beat gaps between all objects.
- 01:51:424 (3) - i'm not sure new players will be able to follow this that well why? normal players aren't as new as easy players
- 02:05:299 (1) (and similar sliders) - isnt there something in the ranking criteria about avoiding sliders with unclear sliderpaths on normals? (which included sliders that go slightly back on themselves iirc) these don't really count as unclear slider paths since they are still obvious even to normal players
- 02:29:299 (1) - this is gonna be kinda hard for noobs to follow if someone has trouble with this slider it will be the least of their worries, since they have to get through the rest of the map to reach this part at the end
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- this experimental style is pretty neat, i like it actually i meant the experimental style is in the expert, my mistake lol
- 00:03:986 (2,3) - refer to easy/normal mods what do you mean
- 00:30:236 (4) - would be better if stacked on 2 to give 5 spacing emphasis (also for consistency with 00:41:299 (1,2,3,4) - ) i'll try to redo this but moving it to 5 doesn't seem to work well
- 00:56:861 (3,4) - blanket wouldn't play the same
- 01:02:299 (1,2) - blanket? don't like how it plays when i do that
- 01:02:861 (2) - ctrl+g for more comfortable flow it's a repeat slider so it's uncomfortable after ctrl g
good luck!
- 00:49:924 (5) - ctrl+g for flow decided to move (1) instead
- 00:56:861 (3,4) - could be blanketed better not intended to blanket anything
btw rizia loves rize avatars
Thanks.newton- wrote:
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- 00:31:549 (5) - could blanket 6 as well Not necessary.
- 00:35:299 (1,2,3) - easy to misread as a full 1/2 or 1/1 stack Seems to read fine to me.
- 00:36:236 (4) - make this the same distance from 3 as 5 is, would look neater imo Fixed.
- 00:40:924 (7) - kinda uncomfortable/hard to read for players around this skill level i think Seems fair to me.
- 01:09:049 (3,4) - doesnt really work since you used a 1/2 stack prior to this Unstacked previous pair of objects.
- 01:30:986 (5) - ctrl+g for flow? No.
- 01:47:861 (3,4) - overlap could look better if 4's body overlapped 3's sliderend like this No.
- 01:53:861 (3,4) - ctrl+g on 4 and stacking 3 on 4's new sliderhead would make for more comfortable flow imo, same goes for 01:54:424 (5,6) - I disagree.
http://puu.sh/v1YKv/7312622fcb.zip
Thanksnewton- wrote:
hi, from queue thx for cute pana pic
huh this map is really old
[
- you end sliders on more important sounds than they start a lot (like starting on red ending on white), seems odd imo For me sounds on red tick in non kiai section is always stronger as I am focusing on mapping the main melody, then I focus on 1/1 more in kiai as it becomes more intense
- 00:11:299 (1,2,3) - maybe similar rhythm with 00:08:299 (1,2,3) - instead since they map the same sounds 00:13:924 - worth emphasize so I decide to use the same rhythm as 00:05:299 (1,2,3)
- 00:15:986 (3) - sliderend is the stronger sound imo, ctrl+g this with 00:15:424 (2) - for rhythm as explained
- 00:17:299 (1,2,3) - yeah
- 00:45:986 (2,3) - change rhythm to 00:48:986 (2,3) - for consistency 00:48:986 (2) is clear enough to use note due to the high pitch in main melody, also for 00:48:986 (2,3) you can't neglect the supporting melody behind
- 01:22:924 (4) - downbeat should be clickable imo ok
- 01:36:424 (2,3,4) - change rhythm to 01:33:424 (2,3) - for consistency they are totally different in the main melody
- 01:48:986 (2,3) - consistency, 01:51:986 (2,3) - ^
- 01:53:299 (1) - blanket could be improved sure
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newton- wrote:
[
- 00:15:424 (3,4,5) - potentially confusing since two different gaps in rhythm are in the same stack
if very low ar, yes
- 00:18:986 (1,2,3) - yeah
- 00:42:424 (3,1,2) - um
- 00:55:924 (4,1) - blanket
- 01:05:299 (1,2) - also could blanket
- 01:54:424 (4,5,1) - why
- 02:25:549 (5,6,1) - last one
- 02:31:549 (1) - probably would be better as an extended slider into 02:31:924 -
good luck!
thanks for mod
newton-
newton- wrote:
[
- 00:24:236 (3,4,5) - flow too wide here
flow is fine here imo- 00:33:424 (1,2,3) - ouch
^- 00:43:549 (1) - unnecessary nc imo
better to add this to the anti-jumps- 00:47:486 (2,3,4) - flow too wide
it's very well here imo- 01:57:424 (1,2) - in comparison to the rest of the space-after-slider thing this is too spaced, nerf this since it shouldnt be emphasized this much. this occurs repeatedly thru the entire map so i guess its a spacing concept the map uses, but i feel it's too overdone
fixed
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easy
01:23:299 (1,2) - 01:57:986 (3,4) - ds
normal
02:23:861 (2) - i think no need to have a reverse here
hard
00:18:986 (7,8) - spacing is a little bit big tbh
00:26:299 (1,2,4,5) - why suddenly the stack
00:40:924 (7,1) - make the downbeat clickable pls
00:45:799 (6) - NC?
00:45:423 (5,8,9,10) - can probably avoid overlapping here
00:48:611 (10,1) - also downbeats here are on sllider ends
01:38:299 (1,2) - 02:00:236 (7) - same issue
01:58:549 (10,11) - inconsistent with 00:46:549 (10,11) - also NC as above
wkyik
00:16:924 (6,1) - spacing of 1/6 is too big compared to the rest like 00:20:111 (4,1) - which are overlapped. Can probably change 5/6 to 4/6?
00:33:986 (1) - why nc
01:08:299 (1,2) - looks weird and also hard to play cuz linear
01:13:549 (4,5,1) - guess you can put some spacing between some of them cuz its the last part of kiai and kinda intense
01:36:986 (1,2) - swap nc?same issue as the previous one
01:48:986 (1) - ^
02:25:174 (3,4) - g?
01:23:299 (1,2) - 01:57:986 (3,4) - ds
normal
02:23:861 (2) - i think no need to have a reverse here
hard
00:18:986 (7,8) - spacing is a little bit big tbh
00:26:299 (1,2,4,5) - why suddenly the stack
00:40:924 (7,1) - make the downbeat clickable pls
00:45:799 (6) - NC?
00:45:423 (5,8,9,10) - can probably avoid overlapping here
00:48:611 (10,1) - also downbeats here are on sllider ends
01:38:299 (1,2) - 02:00:236 (7) - same issue
01:58:549 (10,11) - inconsistent with 00:46:549 (10,11) - also NC as above
wkyik
00:16:924 (6,1) - spacing of 1/6 is too big compared to the rest like 00:20:111 (4,1) - which are overlapped. Can probably change 5/6 to 4/6?
00:33:986 (1) - why nc
01:08:299 (1,2) - looks weird and also hard to play cuz linear
01:13:549 (4,5,1) - guess you can put some spacing between some of them cuz its the last part of kiai and kinda intense
01:36:986 (1,2) - swap nc?same issue as the previous one
01:48:986 (1) - ^
02:25:174 (3,4) - g?
All fixed thanks
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http://puu.sh/v7PI3/0ce87de9d4.zipMy Angel Azusa wrote:
hard
00:18:986 (7,8) - spacing is a little bit big tbh Changed.
00:26:299 (1,2,4,5) - why suddenly the stack It just feels right.
00:40:924 (7,1) - make the downbeat clickable pls hm... ok
00:45:799 (6) - NC? No.
00:45:423 (5,8,9,10) - can probably avoid overlapping here It's fine.
00:48:611 (10,1) - also downbeats here are on sllider ends It's intentional.
01:38:299 (1,2) - 02:00:236 (7) - same issue
01:58:549 (10,11) - inconsistent with 00:46:549 (10,11) - also NC as above Fixed rhythm.
thx!My Angel Azusa wrote:
wkyik
00:16:924 (6,1) - spacing of 1/6 is too big compared to the rest like 00:20:111 (4,1) - which are overlapped. Can probably change 5/6 to 4/6?
00:33:986 (1) - why nc
01:08:299 (1,2) - looks weird and also hard to play cuz linear
01:13:549 (4,5,1) - guess you can put some spacing between some of them cuz its the last part of kiai and kinda intense
01:36:986 (1,2) - swap nc?same issue as the previous one
01:48:986 (1) - ^
02:25:174 (3,4) - g?
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Topic Starter
everybody on this page has been a BN 
yes
Topic Starter
omfg thanks sahuang~
holy is this the return of the legendary xxdesugunx
heyo
popping reasons in bold
General:
popping reasons in bold
General:
- Please use slider tick rate 1 on all diffs. The song doesn't present any constant 1/2 rhythm, hence the change I ask here
- 00:13:924 (4,5) - umh... these feel really really overmapped. I can overlook some smaller overmaps (like 00:04:924 (2,3) - ) since they fit, but in this case I would do something like... https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/7998631 to catch that strange sound playing on 00:13:924 - .
Give it a try and see.
Btw, you do map that sound for 01:25:924 (1) - , so it might be good for consistency too, to change the one above ^ - 01:13:924 (7,8,1) - you might want to consider reducing spacing for these. The song is clearly calmer and calmer, yet spacing is still big
- 02:25:924 (1,2) - consider how the song calms down, it would have been cool to put shorter spacing here. Take a look at your Insane and see what you did there
- 00:12:986 (6) - that finsh on the tail @.@ why is it there lol
- 00:17:299 (1,2) - please stack. It is not the same as 00:12:986 (6,1) - hence you should avoid the same visual pattern.
- 02:26:299 (1) - umh... it probably works better stacked on the next slider. It also is more readable that way
- 00:15:986 (4) - pretty sure this is not the same thing as 00:14:299 (1,2,3) - so maybe change it a little? (I suggest a 1/1 slider instead) // 01:24:986 (4) - same
- 00:31:549 (5,6) - similar to above. Those 2 objects don't really fall on identical beats, hence it feels a bit meh to have them like that.
Make 3 a 1/1 slider instead? - 00:39:236 (3) - I'd move this to x344 y244 to make sure the gap between 00:39:236 (3,4) - and 00:39:986 (5,6) - is not the same on the playfield, since it might be causing reading problems
- 00:48:986 (1,2) - a repeat slider here would work better instead, since you literally skip 2 strong beats by placing them on slider ends: 00:48:799 - 00:49:174 - .
With that slider repeat you sort of fix it without remapping it, but emphasis is really poor here for a diff that should still be fairly intuitive for players - 01:11:861 (2,3,4) - again. Don't, and I say don't, put such sort of gaps relying on the fact players will read this, because they won't,
not at this sort of difficulty at least. 01:12:424 (3) - make it x0 y148 perhaps - 01:53:299 (1) - please stack on next object instead. You totally throw away your emphasis here. The jump should go on the strong beat (01:53:299 - ) and not on the weak beat (01:53:486 - ) in comparison
- 02:31:924 (6) - might want to add a NC
- 02:25:924 (7) - what do you think of just a circle? This sound is pretty different from the previous sliders imo
- 00:48:986 (2) - I'd probably focus on the stronger drum beats here, considering that build-up. What do you think of a 1/1 slider from 00:48:799 - instead?
fixed, thanks! (fixed the one before the second kiai as well)
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Creator:xxdeathx
Version:Chaoz's Easy
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MrSergio
MrSergio wrote:
wcx:
- 00:13:924 (4,5) - umh... these feel really really overmapped. I can overlook some smaller overmaps (like 00:04:924 (2,3) - ) since they fit, but in this case I would do something like... https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/7998631 to catch that strange sound playing on 00:13:924 - .
Give it a try and see.
well actually I'm not following the strange sound at 00:13:924 - only, I'm following the quiet but heavy drums in the background(you can hear them from 00:13:549 - to 00:14:205 - clearly)
Btw, you do map that sound for 01:25:924 (1) - , so it might be good for consistency too, to change the one above ^
I didn't choose the same rhythm for this one it's because that this part is just after a break time, it's better to build up a transition for players here, so it's better to use some simpler rhyhtm here. also although this 2 part sounds the same but the time gap is huge enough(they are in different parts of the song), the little inconsistent won't lead to any misleading imo- 01:13:924 (7,8,1) - you might want to consider reducing spacing for these. The song is clearly calmer and calmer, yet spacing is still big
reasonable, so I moved 01:14:111 (8) - to a new position. the spacing should fit better now
@death: I didn't fix the rick rate yet, if you agree with that please do it to me
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464,224,145736,1,0,0:0:0:0:
160,208,145924,1,8,0:2:0:0:
408,104,146111,1,0,0:0:0:0:
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260,300,148549,6,0,B|212:268|252:228|204:196,1,120,2|0,3:2|0:0,0:0:0:0:
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248,56,152111,1,0,1:0:0:0:
Topic Starter
Thanks for checking this old mapset! I'd like to hear more about the tick rate thing though.MrSergio wrote:
heyo
popping reasons in bold
General:Expert:
- Please use slider tick rate 1 on all diffs. The song doesn't present any constant 1/2 rhythm, hence the change I ask here 90%
of the song has an ongoing 1/2 track, so I'm not sure why tick rate 2 is not okay. Do you mind elaborating further on the reasoning?Normal:
- 02:25:924 (1,2) - consider how the song calms down, it would have been cool to put shorter spacing here. Take a look at your Insane and see what you did there The insane had a slider there, but the section is intense and calms down starting at 02:26:299 (1) - so I used high spacing before that point.
Once you check, fixed the issue (and additional stuff) and got the bubble again call me back and we can go
- 02:25:924 (7) - what do you think of just a circle? This sound is pretty different from the previous sliders imo the sound is prety different but I don't feel it's fitting when I put a circle there
I actually think tickrate 2 fits alright in this case
though you might want to set the ones landing on rather quiet hihats in the chorus to soft sampleset at least and probably reduce volume for a few others
though you might want to set the ones landing on rather quiet hihats in the chorus to soft sampleset at least and probably reduce volume for a few others
thanks for mod!MrSergio wrote:
wkyik's Insane:
- 00:12:986 (6) - that finsh on the tail @.@ why is it there lol
- 00:17:299 (1,2) - please stack. It is not the same as 00:12:986 (6,1) - hence you should avoid the same visual pattern.
- 02:26:299 (1) - umh... it probably works better stacked on the next slider. It also is more readable that way
@xxdx: plz help me stack 00:17:674 (2) - under 00:17:299 (1) - tail thanks!
Well... I re-checked many times and it turns out slider tick rate 2 fits, although it is too loud in some parts as Lasse said and that may be the cause why I misjudged here.
Parts like the intro or the calm parts outside the kiai time feel a bit too loud but it's more in comparison to the other hitsounds, rather than the hitsound itself (they seem to be louder than your whistles for example. You can hear that in the intro).
At this point I don't really mind it, but some sort of change might be good just for... "details" or whatever.
Also, since the reason I popped for seems to be void, I can actually qualify this right away since it is considered a minor change:
As for the other things mentioned in the mod replies:
wcx:
If you tell me {"quiet" and "heavy" drum beats} it makes no sense since it's contradicting itself.
Moreover, there is no drum beat whatsoever at 00:14:111 - so the point is invalid from the start
Let me also add how by using 00:12:424 (4,1) - you literally focus the attention on the foreground instruments, so your switch to background instruments feels inappropriate at that point of the combo. You could do that more efficiently with a new Combo (hey, doesn't this sound similar to what I suggested in the screen? :thinking: )
Anyway, your call. I would rather have a more logical reply tho.
And in regards of the second part: I wasn't pointing to any misleading thing or anything, just that you actually focused on that sound in a similar rhythm, so why isn't it the same everywhere? (don't give me the "variety" excuse, cause this song is not that long and it is repetitive itself, which makes "variety" not an option imo)
Rizia:
00:13:174 - that's a reverse crash starting there, not a crash. You could at least reduce volume on that one to make it sound less disrupting (also, your diff is the only one using that, but I guess this is not a valid point, right?)
Revive it and we can do something about it
Parts like the intro or the calm parts outside the kiai time feel a bit too loud but it's more in comparison to the other hitsounds, rather than the hitsound itself (they seem to be louder than your whistles for example. You can hear that in the intro).
At this point I don't really mind it, but some sort of change might be good just for... "details" or whatever.
Also, since the reason I popped for seems to be void, I can actually qualify this right away since it is considered a minor change:
As for the other things mentioned in the mod replies:
xxdeathx wrote:
MrSergio wrote:
Expert:I was implying that the song calms down from 02:25:924 - and that the fact you placed a slider there in the Insane means that something in your mind was telling you that too, perhaps. I still think a little spacing decrease would fit better, but heh...
- 02:25:924 (1,2) - consider how the song calms down, it would have been cool to put shorter spacing here. Take a look at your Insane and see what you did there The insane had a slider there, but the section is intense and calms down starting at 02:26:299 (1) - so I used high spacing before that point.
Normal:but why not? .-. I mean, you clearly start a new rhythm with 02:26:299 (1) - and you yourself said it is a different sound, so making it contrast with the rest seems somewhat logical here... (or not?
- 02:25:924 (7) - what do you think of just a circle? This sound is pretty different from the previous sliders imo the sound is prety different but I don't feel it's fitting when I put a circle there
wcx:
If you tell me {"quiet" and "heavy" drum beats} it makes no sense since it's contradicting itself.
Moreover, there is no drum beat whatsoever at 00:14:111 - so the point is invalid from the start
Let me also add how by using 00:12:424 (4,1) - you literally focus the attention on the foreground instruments, so your switch to background instruments feels inappropriate at that point of the combo. You could do that more efficiently with a new Combo (hey, doesn't this sound similar to what I suggested in the screen? :thinking: )
Anyway, your call. I would rather have a more logical reply tho.
And in regards of the second part: I wasn't pointing to any misleading thing or anything, just that you actually focused on that sound in a similar rhythm, so why isn't it the same everywhere? (don't give me the "variety" excuse, cause this song is not that long and it is repetitive itself, which makes "variety" not an option imo)
Rizia:
00:13:174 - that's a reverse crash starting there, not a crash. You could at least reduce volume on that one to make it sound less disrupting (also, your diff is the only one using that, but I guess this is not a valid point, right?)
Revive it and we can do something about it
Thanks.MrSergio wrote:
Hard:
- 00:15:986 (4) - pretty sure this is not the same thing as 00:14:299 (1,2,3) - so maybe change it a little? (I suggest a 1/1 slider instead) // 01:24:986 (4) - same It's the same to me because it's part of the same grouping of accented notes in the brass.
- 00:31:549 (5,6) - similar to above. Those 2 objects don't really fall on identical beats, hence it feels a bit meh to have them like that.
Make 3 a 1/1 slider instead? These objects show the straight rhythm in the strings, since it contrasts with the 3/2 beat groupings in the brass earlier in the phrase and make nice transition.- 00:39:236 (3) - I'd move this to x344 y244 to make sure the gap between 00:39:236 (3,4) - and 00:39:986 (5,6) - is not the same on the playfield, since it might be causing reading problems Moved (4) to reduce 1/2 beat distance spacing.
- 00:48:986 (1,2) - a repeat slider here would work better instead, since you literally skip 2 strong beats by placing them on slider ends: 00:48:799 - 00:49:174 - .
With that slider repeat you sort of fix it without remapping it, but emphasis is really poor here for a diff that should still be fairly intuitive for players No, I'm keeping brass instrument 3/2 emphasis until the transition at the last two beats. It's consistent with the rest of the map.- 01:11:861 (2,3,4) - again. Don't, and I say don't, put such sort of gaps relying on the fact players will read this, because they won't,
not at this sort of difficulty at least. 01:12:424 (3) - make it x0 y148 perhaps You don't have to write in such an aggressive tone. Made it more readable.- 01:53:299 (1) - please stack on next object instead. You totally throw away your emphasis here. The jump should go on the strong beat (01:53:299 - ) and not on the weak beat (01:53:486 - ) in comparison Stacked.
- 02:31:924 (6) - might want to add a NC No.
http://puu.sh/vIxG0/6ce4b2b7e2.zip
Topic Starter
Managed to update while my internet was up.
I meant that the whole section is intense until 02:26:299 (1) - because that's the downbeat of the next section which is calm.
And the last slider being a different sound doesn't mean it has to be mapped differently. I did try to put a circle there but didn't like how it sounded, and also didn't like how it played (liked how the 1/2 sliders were building up until the intense section ended).
I meant that the whole section is intense until 02:26:299 (1) - because that's the downbeat of the next section which is calm.
And the last slider being a different sound doesn't mean it has to be mapped differently. I did try to put a circle there but didn't like how it sounded, and also didn't like how it played (liked how the 1/2 sliders were building up until the intense section ended).
I'm just waiting on Rizia ans wcx to reply to qualify, in case it wasn't clear o.o
MrSergio
MrSergio wrote:
wcx:
If you tell me {"quiet" and "heavy" drum beats} it makes no sense since it's contradicting itself.
Moreover, there is no drum beat whatsoever at 00:14:111 - so the point is invalid from the start
sorry my old words is a bit misleading. they're not heavy indeed, but they are not invisible either. those sounds can be hear clearly from 00:13:549 - to 00:14:205 - with 1/4 rhythms even they are actually quiet. the result is that I'm following something which obviously exists, I think this is never called as overmap.
Let me also add how by using 00:12:424 (4,1) - you literally focus the attention on the foreground instruments, so your switch to background instruments feels inappropriate at that point of the combo. You could do that more efficiently with a new Combo (hey, doesn't this sound similar to what I suggested in the screen? :thinking: )
sorry but I'm not sure what you means here.. if you think the new combo setting is misleading then I could fix that, or if not maybe you could explain again in more clear way
Anyway, your call. I would rather have a more logical reply tho.
And in regards of the second part: I wasn't pointing to any misleading thing or anything, just that you actually focused on that sound in a similar rhythm, so why isn't it the same everywhere? (don't give me the "variety" excuse, cause this song is not that long and it is repetitive itself, which makes "variety" not an option imo)
in fact I'm not focused on the same sounds in the 2 parts. the first I'm focused on the background quiet sounds(00:13:549 - to 00:14:205 - maybe they are drums, you can hear it carefully). the second part I'm focused on the loud and clear sound(01:25:924 - ). I didn't focused on the same thing at the 2 part at first(though they have same sounds in some tracks), so your point is a bit invalid imo. cuz I didn't handle the 2 parts in similar way so they could be different imo
Topic Starter
i really should be staying away from osu during my vacation in japan..
My Angel Rize has agreed to remove the finish
My Angel Rize has agreed to remove the finish
ok, last thing to do :p
(slider tick rate to 2)
(slider tick rate to 2)
Topic Starter
is it necessary to make tick rates consistent across different guest difficulties if they have their own reasons for choosing tick rate 1?
alright, it turns out I imagined a rule about slider tick rate being consistent across diffs (dunno why tho, sorry about that)
That aside, not sure what the reasons for those diffs are, but I believe it is connected with the intro, where long sliders are present:
your diffs decided to add the slider tick for a more intense rhythm, while the other 3 diffs (well, we might want to exclude the Normal from this since high slider ticks and low SV are meh) opted for a more calm feeling for that part.
The rest of the drain is mapped more or less the same way, so that was my only concern, which I can call minor myself.
I think we can finally get this going (I would have personally used slider tick 1 on all diffs, but that is personal and just for that first part anyway)
To clarify in case someone didn't follow the thread:
I was the one popping this set for something that later on was deemed not a problem at all, and as stated here (p/5997493) I can qualify right away, since the previous icon is still valid due to changes being minor.
That aside, not sure what the reasons for those diffs are, but I believe it is connected with the intro, where long sliders are present:
your diffs decided to add the slider tick for a more intense rhythm, while the other 3 diffs (well, we might want to exclude the Normal from this since high slider ticks and low SV are meh) opted for a more calm feeling for that part.
The rest of the drain is mapped more or less the same way, so that was my only concern, which I can call minor myself.
I think we can finally get this going (I would have personally used slider tick 1 on all diffs, but that is personal and just for that first part anyway)
To clarify in case someone didn't follow the thread:
I was the one popping this set for something that later on was deemed not a problem at all, and as stated here (p/5997493) I can qualify right away, since the previous icon is still valid due to changes being minor.
woah my first gd
gratz xD
gratz xD
can u fix map desc pls :v
[wcx's Extreme]
00:50:580 (2,2) - Why are you mapping a blue tick slider when there is literally no beat on the blue tick? This happens multiple times and I do not understand why this decision was made. This is basically wrong snap + overmap. These play terribly as they do not fit the music. Please see to fixing this.
00:50:580 (2,2) - Why are you mapping a blue tick slider when there is literally no beat on the blue tick? This happens multiple times and I do not understand why this decision was made. This is basically wrong snap + overmap. These play terribly as they do not fit the music. Please see to fixing this.
The source should be ノーゲーム・ノーライフ like previous map with used ノーゲーム・ノーライフ ?
Yes, slider tick rate works around based on the song, not with the map. In this case, STR needs to be set to 2 because of the amount of beats in between every 1/2 beat.xxdeathx wrote:
is it necessary to make tick rates consistent across different guest difficulties?
It would also be nice to mute the slidertails on every 3/4 slider because the usage of normal-hitnormal on them is extremely loud for what the mapper is trying to follow.
@wcx: 00:13:549 (2,3,4,5) - these are overmapped
This is kind of personal and I do understand that this is a very, very old difficulty, but there are a lot of inconsistent rhythms that make little to no sense with the background music. Would be nice if you could go over the difficulty and maybe reconsider some of them? (it's all over the map, hard to give you examples)
LOL, I am here to celebrate it got qualified and I see it gonna something wrong...........
Aim difficulty of Insane
Aim difficulty of Expert
As you can notice the Expert is pretty much like the Insane diff (or vice versa) just with a harder diff spike. That's not how spreads actually work to be fair. Also, there's as few difference in intensity / density so you really should fix some stuff here
Aim difficulty of Expert
As you can notice the Expert is pretty much like the Insane diff (or vice versa) just with a harder diff spike. That's not how spreads actually work to be fair. Also, there's as few difference in intensity / density so you really should fix some stuff here
lol
well yeah, the improvised rhythms focusing on unsupported blue ticks is still not a great thing to do, even after 2 years. don't know how much detail is needed at this point, since the last two disqualifications and xexxar/yuii said everything already lol
also using the same sound sample for hitnormal and hitclap is ear destruction
you've got some other things to address too, so taking this down for now
also using the same sound sample for hitnormal and hitclap is ear destruction
you've got some other things to address too, so taking this down for now
Topic Starter
Thanks MrSergio for your assistance and nomination, but it looks like we aren't done yet. Please let me know what you think of the following.
All GDers have agreed to move to tick rate 2 so that it's consistent. I'll wait for wcx to respond to the posts addressed at his difficulty, though I can say:
00:13:549 (2,3,4,5) - is sure as hell not overmapped because at 25% playback speed I can hear 1/4 sounds starting weak and getting louder at every tick there, and I have apple headphones with 4% computer volume, 60% osu music volume, and 15% osu master volume.
There is no hitnormal in this mapset so I'm not sure why you guys are talking about one. Everything sounds fine to me unless ear destruction means something else to you.
I don't know how the graphs were generated or what I'm expecting to infer from them, but I don't need them to tell me the Insane and Expert diffs are similar—after all it is two difficulties of the same song by the same mapper (who tried to use the same style). As long as no gap between any two consecutive difficulties is too large, it shouldn't be an issue.
Gratz on 2k posts pishifat.
All GDers have agreed to move to tick rate 2 so that it's consistent. I'll wait for wcx to respond to the posts addressed at his difficulty, though I can say:
00:13:549 (2,3,4,5) - is sure as hell not overmapped because at 25% playback speed I can hear 1/4 sounds starting weak and getting louder at every tick there, and I have apple headphones with 4% computer volume, 60% osu music volume, and 15% osu master volume.
There is no hitnormal in this mapset so I'm not sure why you guys are talking about one. Everything sounds fine to me unless ear destruction means something else to you.
I don't know how the graphs were generated or what I'm expecting to infer from them, but I don't need them to tell me the Insane and Expert diffs are similar—after all it is two difficulties of the same song by the same mapper (who tried to use the same style). As long as no gap between any two consecutive difficulties is too large, it shouldn't be an issue.
Gratz on 2k posts pishifat.
normal-hitnormal is the sampleset used in wcx's difficulty during the Kiai. There is no normal-hitnormal.wav, it's the default hitsound that is being used.
Also, yes, those are overmapped. What you can listen with 25% playback speed is the same sound that can be heard throughout the entire song; but that's why we play with 100% volume, hence why your difficulty has only 1/2 patterns during that timestamp.
Also, yes, those are overmapped. What you can listen with 25% playback speed is the same sound that can be heard throughout the entire song; but that's why we play with 100% volume, hence why your difficulty has only 1/2 patterns during that timestamp.
00:13:549 (2,3,4,5) - at 100% playback I can hear this sound VERY clearlyYuii- wrote:
normal-hitnormal is the sampleset used in wcx's difficulty during the Kiai. There is no normal-hitnormal.wav, it's the default hitsound that is being used.
Also, yes, those are overmapped. What you can listen with 25% playback speed is the same sound that can be heard throughout the entire song; but that's why we play with 100% volume, hence why your difficulty has only 1/2 patterns during that timestamp.
Xexxar
Xexxar wrote:
[wcx's Extreme]
00:50:580 (2,2) - Why are you mapping a blue tick slider when there is literally no beat on the blue tick? This happens multiple times and I do not understand why this decision was made. This is basically wrong snap + overmap. These play terribly as they do not fit the music. Please see to fixing this.
I'm doing this is doing something like custom triple clicks, some of this kind of patterns might not follow song but it won't be hard to read/play at all. otherwise,
I don't think they they play bad but they play well imo. not following song not equals to playing bad imo. this works same as triples and I don't see any custom triples would make it play bad, only the bading using of them does..
Yuii-
Yuii- wrote:
@wcx: 00:13:549 (2,3,4,5) - these are overmapped
This is kind of personal and I do understand that this is a very, very old difficulty, but there are a lot of inconsistent rhythms that make little to no sense with the background music. Would be nice if you could go over the difficulty and maybe reconsider some of them? (it's all over the map, hard to give you examples)
this is not overmap cuz I'm following the sounds that obviously exists in the musc, you can listen to the background carefully. besides I don't think the rhythm is inconsistent, the song itself has a sudden high density rhythm and I just followed it. if the song changed its rhythm I don't see anything bad that I also change.
if I miss anything special in the song rhythm, the map might full of 1/2 rhythm, I think it's totally consistent but must be boring to play. so I don't like to do it
Topic Starter
I don't believe that's how overmapping is defined.
My normal-hitnormal sounds nothing like the normal-hitclap included with the beatmap. Why is it troublesome?
Also, could anyone suggest rhythms that wcx could use instead of his current ones?
My normal-hitnormal sounds nothing like the normal-hitclap included with the beatmap. Why is it troublesome?
Also, could anyone suggest rhythms that wcx could use instead of his current ones?
... I mean the nature of this game is a rhythm game. Deliberately ignoring the song and mapping clickable beats to things that don't exist rhythmically and creating overmapped triplets is not acceptable. If we allow this type of mapping we might as well just remove the requirement that maps need to be properly timed.wcx19911123 wrote:
XexxarXexxar wrote:
[wcx's Extreme]
00:50:580 (2,2) - Why are you mapping a blue tick slider when there is literally no beat on the blue tick? This happens multiple times and I do not understand why this decision was made. This is basically wrong snap + overmap. These play terribly as they do not fit the music. Please see to fixing this.
I'm doing this is doing something like custom triple clicks, some of this kind of patterns might not follow song but it won't be hard to read/play at all. otherwise,
I don't think they they play bad but they play well imo. not following song not equals to playing bad imo. this works same as triples and I don't see any custom triples would make it play bad, only the bading using of them does..
I am strongly advising that you change these overmapped beats that do not accurately reflect the song.
Gonna try to stay out of the argument as much as I can, but let's not just repeat the same "is extra notes bAd??" argument that's been happening for years and years and never went anywhere. Some people like it, others don't, and neither side's going to change their mind. The discussion will be much cleaner and faster by suggesting other rhythms you find more fitting.Xexxar wrote:
... I mean the nature of this game is a rhythm game. Deliberately ignoring the song and mapping clickable beats to things that don't exist rhythmically and creating overmapped triplets is not acceptable. i mean, it's been seen as acceptable for years and years and even 6 days ago, i know we shouldn't use individual maps to defend a new map but a long-lasting concept in the community hasn't been dismissed in the last 6 days so you'll need a more compelling argument
If we allow this type of mapping we might as well just remove the requirement that maps need to be properly timed. pls try to avoid big exaggerated arguments like this, it doesn't rly add anything to your case and just makes both sides of the argument more annoyed (and i mean most ppl that do additive-style rhythming stuff do it bc they think it fits the song, while a mistimed map clearly wouldnt)
I am strongly advising that you change these overmapped beats that do not accurately reflect the song.
wcx's Extreme
For stuff like 00:50:299 (1,2) - You could try a rhythm like this. It'll make the blue tick clickable still, but also the white tick and other "strong" sounding notes. You still get to map your blue ticks (which imo exist, though very feint), but now you'll also map snares like 00:50:674 - to clickable notes too.
I think people aren't communicating the issue clearly... the blue tick isn't an overmap imo. But it sounds like an overmap because right now you're mapping the blue tick in a way where you ignore the white tick afterwards, and because the white tick is obviously a strong note, people attribute it to overmapping. You can argue that the blue tick exists in the music. I think your argument is valid. But you can't really argue that the white ticks like 00:50:674 - should be left unclickable... I don't think your argument for that is convincing.
For stuff like 00:50:299 (1,2) - You could try a rhythm like this. It'll make the blue tick clickable still, but also the white tick and other "strong" sounding notes. You still get to map your blue ticks (which imo exist, though very feint), but now you'll also map snares like 00:50:674 - to clickable notes too.
I think people aren't communicating the issue clearly... the blue tick isn't an overmap imo. But it sounds like an overmap because right now you're mapping the blue tick in a way where you ignore the white tick afterwards, and because the white tick is obviously a strong note, people attribute it to overmapping. You can argue that the blue tick exists in the music. I think your argument is valid. But you can't really argue that the white ticks like 00:50:674 - should be left unclickable... I don't think your argument for that is convincing.
the bluetick 1/4slider rhythmthing is a fairly common rhythm especially in chinese mapping, it shows up in a lot of ways but im just gonna break down its usage in this map
So for stuff like 00:50:580 (2) - , it's still mapping the white tick with the sliderend, and the sliderbody gives a nice "snappy" feeling telling you to lift up on the white tick, and the liftup can be considered a nice emphasis for some. The following 3/4 clicking gap makes for a nice return to the basic drumbeat when clicking 00:50:861 (3) - , emphasizing that red tick a lot, which fits this song well since the strong violin is on that tick. And since the player naturally understands basic drumbeats, this rhythm is pretty easy to play, just play a 1/2 slider, then click a 1/4 slider like a triple, and then play another 1/2 slider in beat.
uh i hope that made sense
So for stuff like 00:50:580 (2) - , it's still mapping the white tick with the sliderend, and the sliderbody gives a nice "snappy" feeling telling you to lift up on the white tick, and the liftup can be considered a nice emphasis for some. The following 3/4 clicking gap makes for a nice return to the basic drumbeat when clicking 00:50:861 (3) - , emphasizing that red tick a lot, which fits this song well since the strong violin is on that tick. And since the player naturally understands basic drumbeats, this rhythm is pretty easy to play, just play a 1/2 slider, then click a 1/4 slider like a triple, and then play another 1/2 slider in beat.
uh i hope that made sense
argument 1: strong sounds should be clicked because that is the player input
argument 2: there is more to player input than just the applying pressure to a key, there is also relieving the pressure from the key and moving the cursor, which are active decisions done by a player to "play" a map.
what the fine is rhythm?? sounds in a song right?
what the fine is a map? an expression of the song??
what is the problem with the mapper consistently expressing the music through player input? I thought this was normal.
argument 2: there is more to player input than just the applying pressure to a key, there is also relieving the pressure from the key and moving the cursor, which are active decisions done by a player to "play" a map.
what the fine is rhythm?? sounds in a song right?
what the fine is a map? an expression of the song??
what is the problem with the mapper consistently expressing the music through player input? I thought this was normal.
oh well, I actually got what you mean now..
a kickslider start at a blue beat that emphasis the blue beat only but ignored the white beat on its end. in fact the main rhythm in the song is the white beats, so I'd better not doing this.
if this is what you means, I think I can fix it.
however if you mean the blue beat can't have any clickable objects because it's overmap, I don't agree with. this should be acceptable imo
edit: @Xexxar. maybe also @Monstrata
a kickslider start at a blue beat that emphasis the blue beat only but ignored the white beat on its end. in fact the main rhythm in the song is the white beats, so I'd better not doing this.
if this is what you means, I think I can fix it.
however if you mean the blue beat can't have any clickable objects because it's overmap, I don't agree with. this should be acceptable imo
edit: @Xexxar. maybe also @Monstrata
Dear bor,
..................... You've triggered me with one thing, two times. nys
oh and hi guuys, what's goin on in this thread? oh
..................... You've triggered me with one thing, two times. nys
It is an issue when you are supposed to show a proper spread but two of your difficulties play exactly the same and have no difference whatsoever because 95% is the same due to same spacing emphasis and density. The Expert should be harder overall (for obvious reasons) and the SR also shows that it's supposed to be harder which isn't the case because only the 1-2-1-2 patterns are harder while the rest of the map is the same just with different patterning.xxdeathx wrote:
I don't know how the graphs were generated or what I'm expecting to infer from them, but I don't need them to tell me the Insane and Expert diffs are similar—after all it is two difficulties of the same song by the same mapper (who tried to use the same style). As long as no gap between any two consecutive difficulties is too large, it shouldn't be an issue.
Oh god, why the metadata check here is ignoring?
You are not even giving a valid source to your metadata suggestion...KittyAdventure wrote:
Oh god, why the metadata check here is ignoring?
Topic Starter
I wouldn't say the two play exactly the same since the insane is simpler and easier to read, but that's a moot point. If there are no difficulty gaps then it's irrelevant to a proper spread.
Topic Starter
Why the hell would I want to do that when what I have is completely fine and more difficulties are better than fewer?
@wcx, there are some blue ticks that support clickables, but others that do not. I think Monstrata's suggestion will improve your map however, so that is somewhere to start.
fixed some
I fixed all ticksliders start at blue beats with a heavy drum in the music.osu file format v14
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the sliders should be fine now
Topic Starter
How do you think about the revised difficulty?
I mean, he might not be able to hear it at 100% because the headphones hes using are a piece of shit and by no means representative of normal human hearing. Using HD800s, what are considered to be reference grade headphones, I can hear the 1/4 here at 100% playback every time without straining my ear.Yuii- wrote:
Also, yes, those are overmapped. What you can listen with 25% playback speed is the same sound that can be heard throughout the entire song; but that's why we play with 100% volume, hence why your difficulty has only 1/2 patterns during that timestamp.
It would make me really sad at the direction ranked mapping is headed in if mappers were discouraged from mapping the finer details of a song just because some people have extremely low quality headphones that bury it.
I don't disagree that things that can't be discerned while listening to the song at normal playback speeds probably don't warrant their own clickables but I also don't think you can make an objective guideline using this due to a variety of factors.
For additional perspective, as a musician in a large ensemble it is recommended that you try to focus on listening to a different "part" (collection of instruments) on every play-through of a piece to build a better understanding of the music and how you fit into it. For a quality piece of music you could listen to the same recording of it dozens of times and still hear new things. Since your perception of the music can change on a day to day basis and is dependent both on how trained your ear is and the audio equipment you are using there isn't enough consistency to provide any objectivity without being heavily restrictive.
let's see...
After seeing the issues brought up and revising the diff myself I came to the conclusion that some things could still be improved, seeing the map got dq'q for the time being.
These are merely aspects that I care about, rather than totally objective things (and I may have pointed them out, but trying once more might bring a change, who knows...)
wcx:
After seeing the issues brought up and revising the diff myself I came to the conclusion that some things could still be improved, seeing the map got dq'q for the time being.
These are merely aspects that I care about, rather than totally objective things (and I may have pointed them out, but trying once more might bring a change, who knows...)
wcx:
- 00:13:549 (2,3,4,5) - regarding these, I still believe that keeping 00:13:549 (2,3) - as they are while changing 00:13:924 (4,5) - into a slower slider would fit way better. I proposed this before and it's the same thing, but let me explain why I suggest this:
- first, if you add a whistle on both of 00:13:549 (2,3) - you make this part really consistent with 00:04:924 (2,3) - (aka, you gain structure)
- second, if you turn 00:13:924 (4,5) - convert these into a slider you switch to a more important instrument in the song (aka, you gain song expression)
- third, you virtually gain also variety while keeping a constant concept for the map (which is a good thing, obviously)
That's not bad, but it's not that great either if you ask me, since you discarded some cool rhythm there. I personally see no reason why not doing what I suggest, since your idea is kept (in fact, it is enhanced) - 01:00:799 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8) - in regards of this pattern I think that using random jumps like this doesn't make it right.
For example I hear that the song picks up more intensity from 01:01:549 (5) - . Also 01:02:111 (8) - this doesn't sound like a strong beat at all (it might be good by being just a slider tail imo), while the whole jump pattern is rather random if we check the whole combo.
Aesthetics are subjective and whatever, but emphasis isn't imo, that's why you should at least respect the right distance between notes to created the right emphasis. Just an example: *click* - 01:13:924 (7,8,1) - partly mentioned above, I still feel like the song is calming down from here on, that's why these big spacings don't make that much sense to me.
You should decrease them imo, even if you don't re-arrange the pattern to make it more organized - 02:13:924 (7,8) - this should also be slightly shorter imo
- 02:25:924 (7,8,1) - and these could benefit from a spacing reducing too, for the reasons mentioned before
- 01:01:924 (1,2) - as mentioned for wcx, this jump would probably be better if smaller. It would also decrease the current diff spike for this section (I must admit I've been playing this map so much in DT I never noticed this big diff spike myself)
- 01:06:611 (6,7,1) - this pattern adds a lot of reading channel out of nowhere btw. I first ignored this, but after checking the whole map multiple times it turns out you don't do anything like this anywhere else. This is kinda inconsistent and at least a smaller spacing would work (the hidden pattern is technically the issue tho, so just move that triplet from behind that slider maybe)
- 02:25:924 (1,2) - a spacing decrease would match the song better too imo
- 00:05:299 (1,2) - that overlap due to stack leniency is kinda ugly tbh
- 00:43:924 (8) - I know there are many instances, but this overmapping kinda stood out. Just a circle for 00:43:549 (7) - would work greatly
- 02:13:924 (1,2) - spacing reduction too would be cool
- 00:47:299 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8) - the rhythm here is kinda misleading, and that's because of 00:48:799 - being a slider tail, while it is a clear hit on the drum. Something like this would work way better and make it more intuitive imo
- 01:35:299 (1,2,3,4,5,6) - in such a calm section of the song I would expect a bit more of sliders, not 7 1/2 clicks in a row. The best solution is simply two 1/2 repeat sliders, but also slider + circle works fine. Just not all clicks please
- I'm honestly a bit displeased with this diff now that I look back at it :/
It feels a bit too unstructured at times (patterns just tell me "I didn't think much of these patterns, they are just there" and some rhythms could have been expressed better too (like the point above ^)
- 02:25:924 (7) - still convinced this would make a great effect due to contrast if used as just a circle instead
- 00:51:799 (3) - can we try making this a more vertical slider so the flow doesn't seem misleading?
After asking for testplays on my lower diffs I noticed how new players tend to rarely change direction on patterns where a slider is right after a circle, equally distanced from head and tail.
It basically means that right now players will first go for the repeat instead of the head because 00:50:299 (1,2) - is pointing to the right.
If you attempt something like this you can make sure they won't misread it at all - 01:50:299 (1) - this might be similar, although it might not be THAT misleading yet...
- 02:13:924 (4,1) - ^
Topic Starter
Thanks for taking the time to go over this again. I changed everything I didn't reply to and hope you're happier with the revised difficulties.MrSergio wrote:
let's see...
After seeing the issues brought up and revising the diff myself I came to the conclusion that some things could still be improved, seeing the map got dq'q for the time being.
These are merely aspects that I care about, rather than totally objective things (and I may have pointed them out, but trying once more might bring a change, who knows...) doing my best to change some parts
Expert:Insane:
- 01:01:924 (1,2) - as mentioned for wcx, this jump would probably be better if smaller. It would also decrease the current diff spike for this section (I must admit I've been playing this map so much in DT I never noticed this big diff spike myself) i wouldn't want to change the jump for this one since it'd break the geometry of the increasing spacing
- 01:06:611 (6,7,1) - this pattern adds a lot of reading channel out of nowhere btw. I first ignored this, but after checking the whole map multiple times it turns out you don't do anything like this anywhere else. This is kinda inconsistent and at least a smaller spacing would work (the hidden pattern is technically the issue tho, so just move that triplet from behind that slider maybe)
- 02:25:924 (1,2) - a spacing decrease would match the song better too imo
Normal:
- 00:05:299 (1,2) - that overlap due to stack leniency is kinda ugly tbh
- 00:43:924 (8) - I know there are many instances, but this overmapping kinda stood out. Just a circle for 00:43:549 (7) - would work greatly instead changed 00:43:549 (7) - to a 3/2 beat slider like its counterpart at 01:55:549 (9) - . though i wouldn't call this overmapping as much as a rhythm that covers more than expected of this difficulty
- 02:13:924 (1,2) - spacing reduction too would be cool i'm still keeping that as part of the intense section like the previous notes
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- 02:25:924 (7) - still convinced this would make a great effect due to contrast if used as just a circle instead
MrSergio
MrSergio wrote:
wcx:
- 00:13:549 (2,3,4,5) - regarding these, I still believe that keeping 00:13:549 (2,3) - as they are while changing 00:13:924 (4,5) - into a slower slider would fit way better. I proposed this before and it's the same thing, but let me explain why I suggest this:
As far as I could understand, the reasoning for this pattern was purely for consistency iirc.
- first, if you add a whistle on both of 00:13:549 (2,3) - you make this part really consistent with 00:04:924 (2,3) - (aka, you gain structure)
no, the rhythm in 00:04:924 (2,3) - and 00:13:549 (2,3,4,5) - are completely different. there's much more tracks(music instruments) in the 2nd part, it's reasonable for me to follow a different track in the 2nd part. therefore, it's no need to use a same hitsounding pattern- second, if you turn 00:13:924 (4,5) - convert these into a slider you switch to a more important instrument in the song (aka, you gain song expression)
I don't think so, I think the quiet drums are the most important instruments in this small part- third, you virtually gain also variety while keeping a constant concept for the map (which is a good thing, obviously)
if a constant concept exists the same patterns in the song, they should be good. otherwise I don't think it's a must and making the map better
That's not bad, but it's not that great either if you ask me, since you discarded some cool rhythm there. I personally see no reason why not doing what I suggest, since your idea is kept (in fact, it is enhanced)
I didn't change anything after your first mod on this.. why is it enhanced?- 01:00:799 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8) - in regards of this pattern I think that using random jumps like this doesn't make it right.
For example I hear that the song picks up more intensity from 01:01:549 (5) - . Also 01:02:111 (8) - this doesn't sound like a strong beat at all (it might be good by being just a slider tail imo), while the whole jump pattern is rather random if we check the whole combo.
Aesthetics are subjective and whatever, but emphasis isn't imo, that's why you should at least respect the right distance between notes to created the right emphasis. Just an example: *click*
valid, I changed the placement in 8 a bit(closer to 7 than before)- 01:13:924 (7,8,1) - partly mentioned above, I still feel like the song is calming down from here on, that's why these big spacings don't make that much sense to me.
You should decrease them imo, even if you don't re-arrange the pattern to make it more organized
I already fixed the spacing once before, not sure if you noticed. the current spacing is small enough imo(maybe it's still big in your mind, but it's actually much smaller than average spacing of objects around it). on the other hand, the song suddenly become quiet at 01:14:299 - , it's consistently intense before this time, I don't see why I need to reduce the spacing before 01:14:299 - (even I already did it a bit, but for more I would say no)- 02:13:924 (7,8) - this should also be slightly shorter imo
questionable here, the song doesn't seems to be a little quieter at this part, I don't think the current spacing need to be fixed- 02:25:924 (7,8,1) - and these could benefit from a spacing reducing too, for the reasons mentioned before
same as above. the last 3 mods are similar. so I have my summary here: the song become quiet immediately not smoothly at the end of those intense part, it's no need to reduce spacing imo
@death: pay attention to general things cuz I didn't redl it before this fix
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Mr. Random-passerby here.
[Metacheck]
[Metacheck]
- Tag+ スーパースィープ, ノゲノラ would be good.
- According to VGMdb this song is composed by Fumihisa Tanaka (田中文久, Tanaka Fumihisa) alone, so other 3 member should be removed from tag / setting the original composer as artist name and putting company name in tags. Not so sure about the correctness of the meta cuz I don't have the original BD set either.
didn't fix 01:50:299 (1) - since beginners will treat 01:48:986 (2,3,1) - as a triangular pattern instead of hitting the slider end, the flow 01:48:986 (2,3) - and then 01:50:299 (1)'s end is just weird lol
thx
thx
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Title:All of you is all of me
TitleUnicode:All of you is all of me
Artist:SuperSweep
ArtistUnicode:スーパースィープ
Creator:xxdeathx
Version:Chaoz's Easy
Source:No Game No Life
Tags:ノーゲーム・ノーライフ NGNL ost original soundtrack insert song the king's plan kawaiwkyik chaoslitz cloudsplash16 wcx19911123 rizia little 細江慎治 佐宗綾子 江口孝宏 田中文久 Hosoe Shinji Sasou Ayako Eguchi Takahiro Fumihisa Tanaka
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Fixed other stuff.MrSergio wrote:
Cloud:
- 00:47:299 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8) - the rhythm here is kinda misleading, and that's because of 00:48:799 - being a slider tail, while it is a clear hit on the drum. Something like this would work way better and make it more intuitive imo No, I want to stay off that beat because I want to keep all the emphasis on the 3/2 instrument rhythm throughout this transition section.
http://puu.sh/weaVM/49349e67d4.zip
@Curisu
Well... VGMdb is not really official and even if it was I don't see any harm in keeping those tags there. They are just a way to easily search for the song (although I doubt there are many knowing who actually made the song and searches for it LOL) but ye...
Changes look good to me, above all Litte's diff (I've been a bit harsh I guess, sorry about that)
Well... VGMdb is not really official and even if it was I don't see any harm in keeping those tags there. They are just a way to easily search for the song (although I doubt there are many knowing who actually made the song and searches for it LOL) but ye...
Changes look good to me, above all Litte's diff (I've been a bit harsh I guess, sorry about that)
Turns out I wasted 12 hours, mb
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Thanks again!!!
Q
Congratulations! 
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My Angel Azusa wrote:
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Thanks again!!!
remember you qualified long ago tooKayano wrote:
Congratulations!
Congratulations
Congratz, I've been waiting for this to come out for a while.
wow. This one took awhile.
Congrats... finally!
Congrats... finally!
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omfg
we did it
we did it
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Congrats ~