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Shinsekai-

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Shinsekai- 2017-02-17T18:28:46+00:00

Hoy voy a poner aprueba tu Español amigo :^) asi que preparate!

[Kantan]

- Recomiendo que le bajes mas el volumen... Puedes intentar con 75 o 70% para el principio y 80 para la mitad... Tambien puedes intentar colocar el pirmer corte en 65% del volumen , la segunda le subes a 75% y al 3er corte le metes 85% para cuando explote lo subas a 100%!

Algo asi puede que funcione y le de una entrada mas... fuerte al map

- ~~tambien recomiendo poner un SV algo lento en el inicio para que sea mas visible para los nuevos jugadores algo asi como x0,85 o x0,75, Funciona bien y sigue siendo rankeable~~ BAJALE EL GENERAL SV A x1,20 >:C esta en x1,40 PARA LA KANTAN WUT

- aqui en vez de colocar esto 00:34:469 (55) - puedes poner un spinner, por que? Bueno para que no sea un ritmo consecutivo ya que en esa parte los sonidos son muy limitados y no suena casi nada por ende es mejor dejarlo simple...

- cambia esto a d 00:41:326 (11) - para que sigas el ritmo anterior... mejor dicho el ritmo que le das a toda la cancion, sin contar que ese es un sonido Fuerte

- diria que cortes esto hasta la linea blanca de atras 01:11:041 (67) - para que sea mas confortable

- comienza a bajar el volumen como hiciste en la primera parte para que sea mas bonito el final del map 01:40:755 - desde este punto comienzas

[Futsuu]

- Baja el SV... a x1,20 tambien teniendo en cuenta el BPM es mejor que mantengas lo mismo que la kantan

- haga lo mismo con el sonido en esta diff :^) entraria muchisimo mejor con esto del sonido creeme

[Ayyri's Muzukashii]

IDK IF... you know what? :^)

- do the same at kantan :^) downgrade and upgrade the hitsound

[Oni]

- Haces la misma cosa del volumen que te dije XD

- agrega una d aqui 00:17:755 (56) - para dar un poco mas de variedad

- YO DIGO que agreges notas aqui siguiendo los platillos a un volumen bajo 00:34:469 (1) -

- quita estos finishers estan mal usados 01:09:326 (178,186) - es mejor que los tengas simples A NO SER que los cambies a D :^) lo dejo a tu gusto

- lo mismo del final

bajale volumen a cada seccion

[Comentarios]

si lograste leer esto perfectamente tengo que felicitarte ♥ tienes un muy buen manejo del español Y tienes un tremendo map aqui XD espero que lo puedas rankear pronto Buena suerte Cracyyyyyyyyyyyyy

Skylish

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Skylish 2017-02-21T15:18:25+00:00

placeholder til Taiko replied to the above mods, then I will move my busy arse on it.

Lumenite-

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Lumenite- 2017-02-22T11:07:40+00:00

Skylish wrote:
placeholder til Taiko replied to the above mods, then I will move my busy arse on it.

Progress is slow because Ayyri controls all changes to her muzu.

Skylish

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Skylish 2017-02-26T14:39:21+00:00

From Discord M4M, sorry for being super late ;w;

[General]

> The source should be 'C.H.S'. It's the name of Circle. Source: http://c-h-s.me/alacarte/ http://c-h-s.me/chs-0017/

> Remove the tag related to C.H.S then

^EDIT: Ask Kwan then
[Kantan]

> From the beginning to 00:18:469 - , in these 16 bars (8x2), the progression was not very ideal. I agree with Stefan, there's a density issue all over the non-kiai sessions actually. I am go further for it. But first let's focus on these 16 bars:

- First 8 bars (group A): d k
- Next 8 bars (group B): d k dk

- The hugest problem is that the insertion of notes is not treated well. In the first session, the tail notes are missing ( 00:01:898 - / 00:04:184 - / ...). They are supposed to be mapped to induce an proper end of a repetitive pattern, in stead of 00:00:755 - / 00:03:041 - / .... The current version sounds incomplete. After you have put the head note and tail note (in case), you may add some extra notes in group B from group A patterns. <-- A better progression style I would say.

= Speaking of group B (from 00:09:326 - to 00:18:469 - ), 00:10:755 - / 00:13:041 - / ... are considered as off-beat patterns since the main style you should maintain is a very clean and clear 1/1 gap, matching the drums perfectly (there's only drum sounds though). The notes on the above mentioned timings should be removed so as to create a better step-by-step developments of notes at 00:18:469 - .

-= The main reason for removing most of the notes at the intro. is that the introduction part should be very clean as there is only ONE element: drums. While, you can hear that there is ONE MORE element after 00:18:469 - : the melody.

To make you less confused and tl;dr, here are some suggestions about the above words in a nutshell:
00:00:184 (1) -

00:09:326 (1) -

00:18:469 - remain what you have mapped is fine.

It help solve a bit of Stefan and Raiden's concerns about the density issue.

> 00:31:041 - why not putting a d here so as to maintain a really concrete patterns so far? Please look at the originally same patterns at 00:21:898 - / 00:26:469 - . Variation is not really necessary in Kantan.

> 00:34:469 - Urh, LOOOOONG slider in Kantan is just disgusting for me. It is not even Kantan user-friendly. Despite the fact that Kantan level players have to spam the keys for 25 times, slider will mask the silence of the melody in this timing. Leaving a simple d at 00:34:469 - is already good to go since the melody wears off for a while, and such a gap can give enough breaks for players.

> 00:36:755 - D can maintain a consistency of having a d/D as a start for every on-beat.

> 00:37:326 - / 00:41:898 - / ... need not to say, it's a very complex pattern as it extends to kd dk. The don itself at 00:37:612 - / 00:42:184 - is also confusing because it drops right 1/2 beat before the offbeat melody. Try consider removing them as well for the sake of clearer patterns used until Kiai.

> 00:49:612 - d k k d sounds more comfortable and the flow enhances a lot according to the pitch and instrumental part. 00:49:898 - a usual drum kick here so a kat should be put for consistency; 00:50:184 - its pitch is quite high and it can show a great contrast between it and the new start at 00:50:469 - . Also, what you may want is increasing the density so far in the above suggestions, and here's the chance obviously!

> 00:53:326 - / 00:54:469 - where are the kats?

> 00:53:612 - personally I am quite doubted about this kat, it sounds quite off suddenly although it falls on the melody.... It just violates the style you built up at the previous sessions frankly speaking....

> 01:08:755 - a too fanzy style is not recommended. It is quite confusing for using d D. d d D is still okay since there are some notes for preparation. d D sounds like an off-beat pattern from the perspective of Kantan level players you know... they may not be able to respond that fast as you expected. Also, the drum sounds at the background are evenly distributed, so as the notes we put should also be corresponding to the drum hits. i.e. D d D d

! I have no idea how to mod the Kiai part since the current notes are matching the music only(not the drum) very well and the uses of 3/2 are acceptable. One thing triggers me is that you abandon basically all the 4th beat drum kicks. I feel that the mapping channel suddenly shifts to the melody in stead of instrumental part in 180 degree. That's kinda strange.... You may consider re-mapping this part as it may go against your so far mapping style building up. A very limited amount of 3/2 patterns should be used, like only 4 times in these 16 bars at the Kiai session.

> 01:31:041 - similar case at 01:30:755 - , you may get a solution when you are re-mapping probably.

> 01:33:041 - / 01:35:326 - / .... another 1/1 pattern which triggers the SR system to consider them as off-beat patterns. Please refer to what you have changed in the sessions before Kiai.

> 01:49:612 - remove it to make the density flow look better. Nice for 4/1 --> 2/1 , not 4/1 --> 2/1 --> 1/1.

[Futsuu]

! The intro in Futsuu is much better than that of Kantan, you can tell it I guess.... Refer to some mapping advice in Kantan. They are also applicable in Futsuu in most cases.

> 00:34:469 - that slider :<

> 01:04:184 - the mapping style right here is not consistent. 01:08:755 - / 01:09:898 - you leave a 2/1 gap after the Finisher (on-beat). You should also do so since 01:04:184 - . Meanwhile, for every on beat, it should be d/D as you are going to map the other notes as kats. A distinguishment of notes in terms of beat-wise is forseen.

Maybe something like: 01:04:184 (148) -

> 01:13:326 - I am still fond of using D in stead of K, it's up to you. But I want to supplement that 01:12:184 - should be consistent across your difficulties. That means: 01:12:184 - should be d k k (refer to Kantan), and 01:13:326 - can be D now with a really nice contrast at 01:13:041 - which will be a k.

! About the uses of 1/2 in the Kiai, it's really controversibal. The first eye-catching thins is 4 x 1/2. It is just too densed. d dk is fine, for example at 01:13:326 - .

> Meanwhile, from 01:14:041 - to 01:14:755 - / 01:16:326 - to 01:17:041 - / ... for God sake please do put some notes right here and there to make the density flow better. Two things you may notice now: density spike and density cleft. Neither of them is expected and wanted. Again, re-mapping in Kiai is probably needed.

> 01:31:612 - oh gosh... I see another spike over this session for 8 bars. A few problems are spotted out: the 4th drum kicks are disappeared as I mentioned in Kantan as well; the uses of 1/2 at 01:32:184 - / 01:34:184 - / 01:36:469 - / ... does not mean anything as far as I try to understand what do they are trying to match or represent; wrong emphasis (places) of using 1/2 (hard to explain, check my suggestion following up)...

To make it less vague, here's another suggestion: 01:31:612 (1) -

(repeat the pattern with some colour variations are fine imo, as Raiden told you before) The uses of 1/2 are pretty balancely distributted, while matching all drum kicks and pointing out the places where the melody has 3/2 patterns (using some 1/2 patterns to represent a relatively higher density).

[]

Something about Oni:

> More 1/4 can be put among the whole difficulty, except 00:55:041 - , where is a relatively calm session and therefore it should have a lower density spread overall speaking.

> 01:15:326 - / 01:17:612 - / ... these Finishers are not needed actually. The background (that drum kick) is not esp.ly strong enough for you to put such emphasis.

Feel free to call me back if you run into problems or misunderstanding!

Good luck for your 2nd mapset!

Last edited by Skylish 2017-02-26T14:48:30+00:00, edited 1 time in total.

Raiden

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Raiden 2017-02-26T14:43:42+00:00

In any case, C.H.S should be listed as ARTIST, source is only when the song comes from a videogame/series/whatever.

Ask IamKwaN for further instructions on that

Lumenite-

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Lumenite- 2017-02-26T14:47:36+00:00

Raiden wrote:
In any case, C.H.S should be listed as ARTIST, source is only when the song comes from a videogame/series/whatever.

Ask IamKwaN for further instructions on that

:eyes:

Lumenite-

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Lumenite- 2017-03-03T23:37:23+00:00

t+paz it the artist not source and c.h.s. is a tag not the artist

Taikocracy - Today at 6:26 PM

i forgot to show you this
c.h.s. isn't the artist is it
Akasha - Today at 6:27 PM
what song is this
Taikocracy - Today at 6:27 PM
toS
Akasha - Today at 6:28 PM
no it is t+pazolite
C.H.S and CHS should be in the tags
Did you have it as the source or smth?
Taikocracy - Today at 6:28 PM
no lol Skylish just said it should be in source
then Raiden said Artist
And I was like
Ari knows for sure
Akasha - Today at 6:29 PM
yeah it is in tags
Let me see if I can find smth for you
Taikocracy - Today at 6:30 PM
Oki
Akasha - Today at 6:34 PM
I got it
http://c-h-s.me/chs-0017/
Look at the bottom.

Just screenshot this message and put it on the forums if you want to

Stefan

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Stefan 2017-04-26T15:24:18+00:00

Chatlog

22:39 Stefan: So..
22:39 Stefan: Let's start with kantan
22:39 *Stefan is editing [https://osu.ppy.sh/b/1155167 t+pazolite - Intro - the other Side [Kantan]]
22:42 Stefan: Something that reeeeeeally bothers me is the density of two parts
22:43 Stefan: 00:18:469 - 00:34:469 - is calmer, yet it is denser
22:43 Stefan: compared to 00:36:755 - 00:55:041 -
22:43 Stefan: 00:36:755 - 00:55:041 - itself sounds really nice
22:43 Stefan: I like it
22:43 Stefan: but
22:44 Stefan: It doesn't make sense
22:44 Taikocracy: I see what you're saying
22:45 Stefan: Muzukashii is pretty similar for these two parts
22:45 Stefan: 00:36:755 - 00:55:041 - for Futsuu is denser
22:45 Taikocracy: I think the reason for this
22:45 Taikocracy: May be because of the instrument that hits on the upbeats or red ticks
22:46 Taikocracy: And so I just skip over them?
22:46 Stefan: Well yeah, that makes sense
22:46 Stefan: and like said, I like the second part a lot
22:46 Stefan: it feels good the way it is.
22:46 Taikocracy: Alright so your recommendation is to make the first part less dense
22:47 Stefan: But it's somewhat weird that for Kantan it doesn't apply that 00:36:775 - and after has less notes despite of being "louder"
22:47 Stefan: Let's see for the first part.
22:48 Taikocracy: I'm having trouble figuring out what I can do here
22:48 Taikocracy: Without the parts being too similar
22:48 Taikocracy: Unless, it being a kantan, that's what would be better
22:49 Stefan: yes and no
22:49 Stefan: We can still try to make loop differently
22:51 Taikocracy: :thinking:
22:53 Taikocracy: What is
22:53 Taikocracy: if8
22:53 Taikocracy: if***
22:53 Taikocracy: 00:19:898- this note is removed
22:53 Taikocracy: along with
22:53 Taikocracy: 00:21:898
22:53 Taikocracy: And keep that loop going
22:53 Stefan: hmm, yes
22:53 Stefan: that's an idea
22:54 Stefan: and then
22:54 Stefan: 00:24:469 - remove too.
22:54 Stefan: while 00:26:469 - 00:26:755 - 00:27:041 - can stay this way
22:54 Taikocracy: Yes indeed
22:54 Stefan: It's a little impact increase at this point
22:54 Stefan: but not too much.
22:55 Taikocracy: Okay, so that problem is a-ok
22:55 Taikocracy: Wait, can we move that one don to the second sectino
22:55 Taikocracy: Section*
22:55 Stefan: ? which one.
22:55 Taikocracy: 00:38:184 like add a don here
22:55 Taikocracy: oops
22:56 Stefan: would rather say at 00:40:469 -
22:56 Stefan: But whatever you like the most.
22:57 Taikocracy: I put it on 00:40:469
22:57 Taikocracy: It added a little more impact than the one of 00:38:184 imo
22:59 Stefan: Oki
22:59 Stefan: 01:04:184 - 01:10:755 - I think you know that I will complain about this part

23:00 Taikocracy: It's hard to get the build up good for a kantan D:
23:01 Stefan: Well, it is.
23:01 Stefan: it's nearly impossible if we're fair.
23:01 Stefan: https://derpovic.s-ul.eu/1IrwMXbG.png
23:02 Stefan: I didn't add any hitsounds to them since they're good like this
23:02 Stefan: I just think that it's better to go like this.
23:02 Stefan: the dD are good to make it denser than 00:55:041 - 01:03:612 -
23:03 Taikocracy: That actually sounds pretty good
23:03 Taikocracy: I like it
23:04 Stefan: also delete the note at 01:12:755 -
23:04 Stefan: a break is definitely better than connecting that part to the kiai
23:04 Taikocracy: Got it :thumbsup:
23:10 Stefan: Oh dear, the Kiai
23:11 Taikocracy: Those rhythms were suggested by Raiden
23:11 Stefan: But yeah, I see the usage of 1/2 here
23:11 Stefan: He has a point, no question.
23:11 Taikocracy: He suggested a 1/2 rhythm
23:11 Stefan: because Futsuu is pretty tough already
23:11 Taikocracy: I later simplified it to something I thought was a little easier
23:13 Taikocracy: Yeh true
23:17 Stefan: let's make some things more consistent for the kiai
23:17 Stefan: 01:16:469 - should be d
23:17 Stefan: 01:21:041 - too
23:17 Stefan: 01:18:326 - should be k since 01:13:755 (2,3) - are too
23:18 Taikocracy: :thumbsup:
23:22 Stefan: That should be dkd k k
23:22 Stefan: to fit with 01:24:184 (24,25,26,27,28) -
23:23 Taikocracy: What should?
23:23 Stefan: Oh
23:23 Stefan: 01:28:755 (34,35,36,37,38) -
23:24 Stefan: After you applied all changes.. tell me the SR please I think we break things here
23:24 Taikocracy: Got it
23:24 Taikocracy: 1.98*
23:24 Stefan: Well, that's still good to go!
23:24 Stefan:

23:25 Taikocracy: Kantan, check

23:25 Taikocracy: Futsuu next?
23:26 Stefan: Well, I will remember about Kantan since I am not to 100% sure at all
23:26 Stefan: But yeah, let's move to Futsuu
23:33 Taikocracy: I hope that silence is a good thing lol
23:35 Stefan: Ahh, well
23:35 Stefan: people are invading me with pms
23:37 Taikocracy: :thinking:
23:39 Taikocracy: i accidentally closed chat log D:
23:39 Stefan: No problem
23:39 Stefan: I have it here
23:39 Taikocracy: phew
23:40 Stefan: Anyway, 00:21:755 (46) - what do you think about moving the note to 00:21:898 - ? It'd be something different, although I'd understand why you would deny it.
23:41 Taikocracy: Eh, I prefer the 1/2 rhythm as is personally
23:42 Stefan: Aight.
23:43 Stefan: wouldn't 00:40:469 (94,95) - be more senseful if you switch them?
23:43 Taikocracy: Yes, it would xP
23:43 Stefan: aye, good then.
23:46 Taikocracy:

23:48 Stefan: for 01:04:184 - 01:08:755 - we should decrease the density a bit
23:48 Taikocracy: Same build up xD
23:49 Stefan: (to fit better with the changes in Kantan)
23:49 Stefan: 01:05:041 (153,155) - should be removed at this point
23:49 Stefan: as well 01:07:326 (161,163) -
23:50 Taikocracy: Got it

23:50 Taikocracy: Sounds good too
23:51 Stefan: 01:31:612 - 01:40:184 - sounds pretty weird to me.
23:52 Stefan: the ooo parts sounds somewhat okay but also like that could be better at all.
23:52 Stefan: It doesn't really fit so well like the oooo parts in the kiai, that's what I mean.
23:52 Taikocracy: Ah yes, recommended by Skylish
23:52 Taikocracy: I thought it sounded alright
23:52 Taikocracy: :thinking:
23:52 Taikocracy: What do you suggest?
23:52 Stefan: let me see
23:55 Stefan: 01:31:612 - 01:33:326 - https://derpovic.s-ul.eu/dIul446W.png
23:56 Stefan: this is basically 00:18:469 (37,38,39,40,41,42) -
23:56 Stefan: but denser
23:56 Taikocracy: Loop it?
23:56 Stefan: Hmm, sorta.
23:57 Stefan: 01:33:898 - 01:35:612 - would be this https://derpovic.s-ul.eu/i6FEmizq.png
23:58 Taikocracy: And the last two?
23:58 Stefan: ya
23:59 Stefan: well, I can say that I am happier with Futsuu
23:59 Stefan: than with Kantan tbh
23:59 Stefan: I think Futsuu looks ready this way.
23:59 Taikocracy: Me too lol
00:00 Taikocracy: I think the muzu and oni will be much easier to get through
00:00 Taikocracy: Key word: think
00:00 Stefan: gonna throw a mod on the for-- wait a second, that will be hard for Ari :thinking:
00:01 Stefan: well, I poke her somewhere else.
00:01 Taikocracy: Ari gave me permission to change it as needed
00:01 Stefan: Ah, I see.
00:02 Taikocracy: She said to let her know when it's been bubbled and she'll look at it then
00:02 Taikocracy: Last time Raiden looked at my Oni he didn't find anything wrong :eyes:
00:02 Taikocracy: Made me happy
00:02 Stefan: Well, to be honest
00:03 Stefan: I won't torture myself to find something in the Oni since I played it like 20 times already
00:03 Stefan: and there is nothing that it needs to be fixed
00:03 Stefan: like consistency wise or something which is bad.
00:03 Taikocracy:

00:03 Taikocracy: Is the Muzu good though
00:03 Stefan: well, let's see
00:04 Stefan: 00:18:469 - 00:33:898 -
00:05 Stefan: I don't know why she did use oooooo for this sorta calm part
00:05 Stefan: I mean it fits but.. it's too much if you compare it with the upcoming parts.
00:06 Stefan: You could remove every 2nd note of these parts.
00:06 Stefan: that sounds good to go.
00:06 Taikocracy: Which 2nd note?
00:06 Taikocracy: Like an example?
00:06 Stefan: let's take 00:21:755 (58,59,60,61,62,63) - for example
00:07 Stefan: remove 00:21:898 (59) - at this case
00:07 Stefan: so it becomes d kkdk
00:07 Taikocracy: Got it

00:09 Stefan: 01:12:826 (268) - and 01:13:112 (270) -
00:10 Stefan: In all honest, they sould misplaced and doesn't fit well for what they're intended.
00:10 Taikocracy: Remove them?
00:10 Stefan: Yes
00:10 Taikocracy: Got it
00:10 Stefan: These are the only two doublets
00:10 Stefan: and they don't even fit so well at all.
00:11 Taikocracy: I agree, but they were o.k.-ish to me so I didn't think I needed to remove them
00:14 Stefan: 01:33:898 - 01:35:612 - that part is pretty strange
00:15 Stefan: I don't really get behind what exactly she is following here
00:15 Stefan: gonna find something better that suits to her.
00:16 Stefan: https://derpovic.s-ul.eu/r9Cdc9b4.png
00:16 Stefan: that fits better to her style.
00:16 Stefan: (it looks funny since it goes o oo ooo oooo lmao)
00:17 Stefan: Ah, (370,371) are supposed to be dk.
00:17 Stefan: forgot to change that.
00:18 Taikocracy: Got it

00:18 Stefan: Okay, that's it for Muzukashii.
00:18 Taikocracy: That wraps the set up
00:18 Stefan: You could update the map or send me your update so I can check what we have so far.
00:18 Taikocracy: Do you want to go back to the Kantan and see if you can get it to your liking?
00:18 Stefan: because yeah
00:18 Taikocracy: Or would you prefer that first
00:18 Stefan: I am still unsure about Kantan
00:18 Taikocracy: Upadting now
00:19 Stefan: aightt
00:19 Taikocracy: Updated
00:21 Stefan: Something you can do for all diffs except Oni is to resnap all notes.
00:21 Stefan: Go at the timing tab athen "Resnap all notes".
00:22 Stefan: Some are unsnapped for 1ms
00:22 Stefan: *and then
00:23 Taikocracy: Done
00:23 Stefan: 01:34:898 (372) - in Muzukashii should be d
00:24 Taikocracy: :thumbsup;
00:24 Stefan: Okay, Kantan is left now.
00:25 Taikocracy: Yess
00:28 Stefan: well but first let's move quick to Oni (^:
00:28 Stefan: there is indeed something I want to mention
00:28 Taikocracy: :^)
00:29 Stefan: 01:13:184 - and 01:13:041 - could use SV lines
00:29 Stefan: 01:13:041 - with 1.05 and 01:13:184 - with 1.10
00:29 Stefan: the transistion is smoother and it looks nicer imo
00:29 Taikocracy: Done

00:30 Stefan: good, that was all (FOR REAL)
00:30 Stefan: Now it's time for Kantan
00:32 Taikocracy: XD
00:32 Stefan: Didn't you want to keep 00:26:469 - as d?
00:32 Stefan: I mean it's okay either way but i am just wondering.
00:33 Taikocracy: Yes I believe so
00:33 Stefan: aight.
00:37 Taikocracy: I don't think the Kantan is actually as bad as I thought :swet_smile:
00:49 Stefan: 01:13:326 - 01:21:898 - can look like this: https://derpovic.s-ul.eu/lvV3y1aQ.png This is a nicer and imo more natural way to include 1/2 notes in the Kiai without turning to 1/1 - 1/2 - 1/1.
00:51 Stefan: The colours are used like this to simplify the rhythm slightly.
00:53 Stefan: Lastly, 01:32:184 - should be deleted for a longer break.
00:56 Taikocracy: Okay those changes are done
00:56 Stefan: How do you find the pattern?
00:56 Stefan: Compared to the previous, since it's basically an overhaul of the Kiai
00:56 Taikocracy: I think it's coherent
00:57 Taikocracy: I'm okay with it

So in the end we argued that Taikocracy gets some people to check the Kantan (just to play it and give a feedback) since the changes for the difficulty were huge, compared to the rest. So I don't feel sure to bubble it immediately. Rest of the set looks neat and we're almost there!

Jonarwhal

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Jonarwhal 2017-04-27T00:32:30+00:00

not a check just a chat

19:47 Jonawaga: TAIIII
19:52 Taikocracy: O:
19:52 Jonawaga: xd
19:52 Taikocracy: Stefan used the colors to simplify the rhythm
19:53 Taikocracy: Was the kiai good>
19:53 Taikocracy: ?*
19:54 Jonawaga: whats this called again
19:54 Taikocracy: what
19:54 Jonawaga: xd
19:54 Jonawaga: jk
19:55 Jonawaga: i dont unserstand your reasoning, as i mentioned
19:56 Taikocracy: It's based on pitch
19:56 Taikocracy: The monocolor again is just to simplify it as much as possible
19:57 Jonawaga: i mean
19:57 Jonawaga: you can have mono pitch systems
19:58 Taikocracy: systems?
19:58 Jonawaga: for example, in muzu, a lot of streams are based on what the circle at the END would be
19:58 Jonawaga: idk what it's called
19:59 Jonawaga: or the motion in which the pitches go
19:59 Jonawaga: but those are ususally the same...
20:00 Jonawaga: 01:14:041 (2,3) - like this could be dd for that reasoning... idk if anyone uses this besides me though
20:01 Jonawaga: does that make sense?
20:02 Taikocracy: Kinda
20:02 Jonawaga: ok,
20:02 Taikocracy: So if 2 and 3 are don
20:02 Taikocracy: are 6 and 7 kat
20:02 Taikocracy: ?
20:02 Jonawaga: i'll have to check lol
20:02 Taikocracy: :thinking2:
20:02 Jonawaga: yeah... it works in theory but
20:02 Jonawaga: the application seems a little odd on this map
20:02 Jonawaga: it would result in a lot of dons/kats in a row 
20:04 Taikocracy: So what are Jona's recommendations
20:04 Taikocracy: Kiai good or needs changing
20:05 Jonawaga: ok i get it now
20:07 Jonawaga: revert to normal
20:07 Jonawaga: 01:24:755 (5,6,7) - switch to k
20:07 Jonawaga: 01:26:469 (8,9,10) - switch to d
20:07 Jonawaga: 01:29:327 (14) - switch to k (optional)
20:07 Jonawaga: 01:31:612 (18) - switch to k (optional)
20:07 Jonawaga: all for pitches
20:07 Jonawaga: is that good?
20:08 Taikocracy: the optionals i can't apply
20:08 Jonawaga: ye i thought so
20:08 Taikocracy: welll
20:08 Jonawaga: i just tried them
20:08 Taikocracy: it'd make it 2*
20:08 Jonawaga: it would???
20:09 Taikocracy: yeah
20:09 Jonawaga: roh
20:09 Jonawaga: oh
20:09 Taikocracy: it's super fragile
20:09 Jonawaga: xd
20:09 Jonawaga: well the non optionals
20:09 Jonawaga: those are good right?
20:09 Taikocracy: made 1 change
20:09 Jonawaga: ok...
20:09 Taikocracy: 01:21:898 is k
20:10 Taikocracy: made 1.98*
20:10 Jonawaga:  invalid format
20:10 Jonawaga: plz
20:10 Taikocracy: wut
20:10 Taikocracy: oh
20:10 Taikocracy: oops
20:11 Taikocracy: is that one change good
20:11 Taikocracy: you like?
20:11 Jonawaga: uh
20:11 Jonawaga: you ignored the changed i made
20:11 Taikocracy: ?
20:11 Jonawaga: 01:24:755 (5,6,7) - switch to k
20:11 Jonawaga: 01:26:469 (8,9,10) - switch to d
20:12 Taikocracy: Ah yes
20:12 Taikocracy: Done
20:12 Taikocracy: Final of
20:12 Taikocracy: 1.99*
20:12 Taikocracy: Jesus
20:12 Jonawaga: wow
20:12 Jonawaga: upload...
20:12 Jonawaga: i'll help you reduce
20:14 Jonawaga: upload soon?
20:14 Taikocracy: Updated
20:14 Taikocracy: :3
20:14 Jonawaga: creepy
20:14 Jonawaga: uploaded osu 
20:14 Jonawaga: is the same as my local
20:15 Taikocracy: lol
20:15 Jonawaga: ok let's simplify this
20:15 Taikocracy: it's pretty simple as it is
20:15 Taikocracy: the kiai is just a huge butt buff
20:16 Jonawaga: 00:36:755 - / 00:55:041 - imo this can be reduced a tiny bit more
20:18 Taikocracy: :eyes:
20:19 Jonawaga: can be but
20:19 Jonawaga: call me back if you need it i guess
20:19 Jonawaga: ;w;
20:20 Taikocracy: oki
20:20 Taikocracy: can you post that in the forum plz
20:20 Taikocracy: this*
20:20 Taikocracy: irc
20:20 Jonawaga: oh
20:20 Jonawaga: well i wanna clarify about the SR
20:20 Taikocracy: Oh okay
20:20 Taikocracy: What's up
20:23 Jonawaga: how to make it drop
20:23 Jonawaga: map the white ticks
20:23 Taikocracy: Oh, yes ofc
20:24 Jonawaga: like consider making the first half of the kiai
20:25 Jonawaga: 00:55:041 - 
20:25 Jonawaga: nope lol wrong stamp
20:25 Jonawaga: 01:13:326 - / 01:22:469 - use white ticks?
20:26 Jonawaga: the 1/2 sounds are definetly stronger in the second half
20:26 Taikocracy: hold on I'm changing it now
20:26 Taikocracy: That sparked a good idea
20:26 Jonawaga: ok...
20:27 Jonawaga: i hope that doesn't make it too jarring when 1/2 is introduced...
20:28 Taikocracy: Okay
20:28 Taikocracy: I made it down to 1.93*
20:28 Taikocracy: Check it out
20:28 Jonawaga: wow
20:28 Jonawaga: <3 <3 <#
20:29 Jonawaga: xd
20:29 Jonawaga: check with Stefan but i love it

Skylish

1,070 posts

Joined June 2013

Skylish 2017-04-27T07:37:42+00:00

As requested for some opinion in Kantan's Kiai section:

01:13:898 (2,3) - / 01:16:184 (6,7) - / 01:18:469 (11,12) - / 01:20:755 (15,16) - / 01:23:041 (2,3) -
You must have noticed that they are really off from the melody itself, they should be consistent with 01:25:469 (6,7) - / 01:27:755 (11,12) - .
It is not really ideal to shift all of these dd/kk to the on-beats forcefully because it is just weird.
Then you will figure the SR jumps up due to these CORRECTLY shifted off-beat dd/kk. You need to consider, now, how to reduce the SR with reasonable moves. I recommend removing 01:17:612 (9) - / 01:26:755 (9) - / for the sake of SR. (now it should be 2.00) It is fine with it although you may wonder about the density issue. I believe the previous off-beat patterns, with suitable gaps though, are already challenges for the Kantan level players.

Lumenite-

625 posts

Joined April 2015

Topic Starter

Lumenite- 2017-04-27T20:36:25+00:00

@Jonawaga and @Skylish thank you for y'alls help~

Jonarwhal

1,216 posts

Joined November 2013

Jonarwhal 2017-05-04T22:04:09+00:00

Looks good. Bubbled~

log

15:56 Jonawaga: TAI
16:00 Taikocracy: o hi
16:00 Taikocracy: was doing a 5 min play sorry lol
16:00 Jonawaga: lol
16:00 Jonawaga: exit and mod with me now?
16:02 Taikocracy: Well I'm practing for a tourney
16:02 Taikocracy: A friend of mine's partner spilled acid on his hand
16:02 Jonawaga: @_@
16:02 Taikocracy: And wanted me to repalce
16:02 Taikocracy: We're in MP practicing
16:02 Jonawaga: i see
16:02 Taikocracy: But it should be over soon
16:02 Jonawaga: ok
16:09 Taikocracy: Oki we good
16:09 Taikocracy: Hello young cute child
16:10 Jonawaga: aw
16:12 *Jonawaga is editing [https://osu.ppy.sh/b/1155167 t+pazolite - Intro - the other Side [Kantan]]
16:12 Jonawaga: why not 1.4x 
16:13 Taikocracy: Chichinya recommended to slow it down because BPM
16:13 Jonawaga: who
16:13 Taikocracy: I think it's 1.2x on futsuu too
16:13 Jonawaga: it is
16:13 Jonawaga: i disagree on both
16:13 Taikocracy: yee
16:13 Taikocracy: Alright
16:13 Taikocracy: That's not really one I can argue with lol
16:13 Jonawaga: lol
16:14 Jonawaga: ok
16:14 *Jonawaga is editing [https://osu.ppy.sh/b/1155167 t+pazolite - Intro - the other Side [Kantan]]
16:14 Jonawaga: 01:20:184 (14) - optional switch to k to match prior pattern 01:15:612 (5) - 
16:15 Taikocracy: makes SR 2.03*
16:15 Taikocracy: can't apply
16:15 Jonawaga: wow
16:15 Jonawaga: switch the other to d then?
16:15 Taikocracy: this difficulty is so very volate
16:15 Taikocracy: volatile*
16:15 Jonawaga: ohhhhh
16:15 Jonawaga: the SV
16:15 Taikocracy: that makes it 2* LOL
16:16 Jonawaga: omg
16:16 Jonawaga: nvm then i guess 
16:16 Jonawaga: i cri
16:16 Taikocracy: Isn't 2.0* rankable
16:16 Jonawaga: yes
16:17 Taikocracy: Then I don't think it's a bad idea...
16:17 Jonawaga: why dont i can't believe your SR hasn't dropped
16:17 Jonawaga: "why dont i cant"
16:18 Taikocracy: LOL
16:18 Jonawaga: did you apply Skylish's mod or
16:19 Jonawaga: cuz like he makes it drop to 1.95
16:19 Taikocracy: I thought I did
16:19 Taikocracy: Let me relook at it
16:20 Jonawaga:   01:17:612 - remove
16:22 Taikocracy: Gotta say I did indeed apply his mod
16:22 Jonawaga: 01:17:612 - why is there still a note here then
16:22 Jonawaga: 01:26:755 - and here
16:23 Taikocracy: Look at me
16:23 Taikocracy: Skipping over comments
16:23 Jonawaga: o m g
16:23 Taikocracy: I'm at 1.91* now
16:23 Jonawaga: you need to be more careful
16:23 Taikocracy: I'm sorry lol I'm very oblivious at least 60% of the time
16:23 *Jonawaga is being a hypocrite
16:24 Jonawaga: youre fine
16:24 Jonawaga: i sleepwalk through life uwu
16:24 Jonawaga: anyway
16:24 Jonawaga: now that we can play with it
16:24 Jonawaga: 01:16:327 (6,7) - optional kk
16:24 Jonawaga: 01:20:184 (13) - optional k for consistency
16:24 Taikocracy: I'd only make note 7 a k
16:25 Taikocracy: +.05*
16:25 Jonawaga: dude
16:25 Taikocracy: lol
16:25 Taikocracy: SR broken
16:25 Jonawaga: you have to keep them mono XD
16:25 Jonawaga: that's why I said kk
16:25 Jonawaga: don't just assume I'll let you make one of them k
16:26 Taikocracy: I didn't assume anything
16:26 Jonawaga: ahhh
16:26 Taikocracy: I just thought that having note 7 as a k by itself would sound better
16:26 Taikocracy: :sweat_smile:
16:26 Jonawaga: yeah =w=
16:26 Jonawaga: it would
16:26 Jonawaga: but
16:26 Jonawaga: not at this rate
16:26 Taikocracy: btw
16:26 Taikocracy: 01:21:898 because this is a k
16:26 Taikocracy: oops format
16:27 Jonawaga: why do you do links that like that owo
16:27 Taikocracy: 01:17:326 - shouldn't this also be a k
16:27 Taikocracy: because i forget to put the dash lol
16:27 Jonawaga: sure but I'd rather make 01:21:898 (16) - this a d
16:27 Jonawaga: because low pitch
16:27 Jonawaga: either is fine though
16:27 Taikocracy: Ok
16:28 Jonawaga: why do you keep accepting my optional suggestions 
16:28 Jonawaga: anyway
16:29 Jonawaga: last thing
16:29 Jonawaga: 01:23:184 (2,3) - kk if you want
16:29 Jonawaga: 01:27:755 (10,11) - same
16:29 Taikocracy: Alrighty
16:29 Jonawaga: i said if you wnat
16:30 Taikocracy: I do want to tho
16:30 Taikocracy: XD
16:30 Jonawaga: im almost upset you agree with me too much
16:30 Jonawaga: =w=
16:30 Taikocracy: I was thinking about changing those myself anyways
16:30 Jonawaga: ah
16:30 Jonawaga: hows the sr
16:30 Taikocracy: 1.92
16:30 Jonawaga: wow
16:30 Taikocracy: I hardly ever disagree
16:30 Taikocracy: With anyone
16:30 Jonawaga: thats
16:30 Jonawaga: honestly kinda ignorant in taiko
16:31 Taikocracy: Not because I'm like idk what the word is for it
16:31 Jonawaga: not that youre ignorant
16:31 Taikocracy: ignorant, sure
16:31 Taikocracy: All the suggestions I get from people make sense
16:31 Taikocracy: So I'm like okay
16:31 Jonawaga: but
16:31 Jonawaga: sometimes
16:31 Jonawaga: in fact heck most of the time
16:31 Jonawaga: people don't understand your intentions for sections and change the wrong stuff
16:32 Jonawaga: Ayyri constantly denied entire mods
16:32 Jonawaga: ENTIRE
16:32 Jonawaga: MODS
16:32 Taikocracy: I know xD
16:33 *Jonawaga is editing [https://osu.ppy.sh/b/1155174 t+pazolite - Intro - the other Side [Futsuu]]
16:33 Jonawaga: 00:13:041 (25,26) - 
16:33 Taikocracy: I'd say I have a 40% reject rate on mods
16:33 Jonawaga: FOR EXAMPLE
16:33 Taikocracy: And owo
16:33 Jonawaga: im sure you get messages saying to make this dk to match the prior
16:33 Jonawaga: but if you keep playing you start to see what Tai is doing
16:33 Jonawaga: 00:17:612 (35,36) - see? you repeated the pattern
16:34 Jonawaga: so there must be a reson
16:34 Jonawaga: then, I look for the reason
16:34 Jonawaga: then I hear the snarish noise in the bg you're following there 
16:34 Jonawaga: and I make a mental note to leave that part alone
16:34 Jonawaga: makes sense?
16:35 Taikocracy: yes sensei jona
16:35 Taikocracy: xd
16:36 Jonawaga:   00:36:755 - / 00:55:041 - like it were me i would have mapped this whole section very differently
16:37 Jonawaga: following the pitch of the melody/synth/whatchamacallit
16:37 Taikocracy: Idek xD
16:37 Jonawaga: do you like this pattern or u want me to show u
16:38 Taikocracy: I like it the way it is, but you can show me what you were talking about
16:39 Jonawaga: ok make another difficulty as a copy of this one
16:40 Taikocracy: oki
16:41 Jonawaga: 00:38:184 (87,88) - ctrl+g
16:41 Jonawaga: 00:39:041 (90) - k
16:41 Jonawaga: 00:39:469 (91,92) - ctrl+g
16:41 Jonawaga: 00:40:041 (93) - k
16:41 Jonawaga: 00:40:469 (94,95) - ctrl+g
16:42 Jonawaga: 700:42:755 (101,102) - ctrl+g
16:42 Jonawaga: 00:43:612 (104) - k
16:42 Jonawaga: 00:44:041 (105,106) - ctrl+g
16:42 Jonawaga: 00:45:041 (108,109) - ctrl+g
16:42 Jonawaga: 00:44:612 (107) - k
16:43 Jonawaga: 00:46:898 (114,115) - k k
16:43 Jonawaga: 00:48:612 (119) - k
16:43 Jonawaga: 00:48:898 (120,121) - ctrl+g
16:43 Jonawaga: 00:49:612 (122,123) - ctrl+g
16:43 Jonawaga: 00:51:469 (128,129) - k k
16:43 Jonawaga: 00:53:184 (133,134) - ctrl+g
16:44 Jonawaga: 00:53:755 (135) - k
16:44 Jonawaga: and you're done \o/
16:44 Taikocracy: Eh
16:45 Taikocracy: this ignores the very apparent snare hits
16:45 Jonawaga: basically \o/
16:45 Taikocracy: :/
16:46 Jonawaga: so then you'd just change the missing snares to kats
16:46 Jonawaga: i believe
16:46 Jonawaga: 00:38:469 (88) - 
16:46 Taikocracy: the snares over ride the sounds
16:46 Jonawaga: 00:40:755 (95) - 
16:46 Taikocracy: no me gusta
16:46 Jonawaga: 00:43:041 (102) - 
16:46 Jonawaga: 00:45:326 (109) - 
16:46 Jonawaga: 00:49:898 (123) - 
16:47 Jonawaga: 00:52:184 (130,131) - ctrl+g
16:47 Taikocracy: I won't be changing it
16:47 Taikocracy: :sweat_smile:
16:47 Jonawaga: ye this is just a hypothetical
16:47 Jonawaga: heck im cutting this out of my upload
16:47 Jonawaga: did you fix the snares?
16:47 Taikocracy: LOL
16:48 Taikocracy: I have it the same way as it was the first time you saw it
16:48 Taikocracy: xd
16:48 Jonawaga: ???
16:48 *Taikocracy shakes head
16:48 Taikocracy: Never mind lol
16:49 Jonawaga: do you like it or
16:49 Taikocracy: I like the way I did it better
16:49 Taikocracy: Lol
16:49 Taikocracy: That's what I was trying to say
16:49 Jonawaga: ok 
16:49 Taikocracy: I'm just gonna leave that part alone
16:50 Jonawaga: can u put a .osu for that version in the beatmaps
16:50 Jonawaga: description?
16:50 Jonawaga: i quite like it >//////<
16:50 *Taikocracy sighs because he deleted the difficulty with it
16:51 Jonawaga: lmao
16:51 Jonawaga: can'u u just restore it from the recycling bin?
16:52 Taikocracy: yeah I guess
16:52 Jonawaga: do that por favor
16:52 Taikocracy: ok
16:53 Jonawaga: yay
16:53 Jonawaga: so then just upload the .osu and put it in your map's description next upload
16:53 Taikocracy: :3
16:53 Jonawaga: wanna mod oni now?
16:54 Taikocracy: sure :D
16:54 *Jonawaga is editing [https://osu.ppy.sh/b/1154653 t+pazolite - Intro - the other Side [Oni]]
16:54 Jonawaga: 00:30:612 (121,122,123,124,125,126,127) - just an observation
16:54 Jonawaga: this combo is longer than the others \o/
16:55 Taikocracy: 00:32:898- matches here
16:55 Jonawaga: i noticed but i don't get why
16:55 Taikocracy: It's part of a "growing" effect
16:55 Jonawaga: huh
16:55 Jonawaga: ok
16:55 Jonawaga: 01:13:326 (1) - 
16:55 Jonawaga: no finisher for the kiai start?
16:56 Jonawaga: i guess it makes sense cuz
16:56 Jonawaga: difficulty
16:56 Jonawaga: just chacking to make sure that's intentional and all
16:56 Taikocracy: I think I marked it off for a certain reason
16:56 Taikocracy: I don't remember why
16:56 Taikocracy: Oh now I do
16:56 Taikocracy: That was an accident lol
16:57 Jonawaga: oh
16:59 Jonawaga: ok your kiai seems like cool improvision stuff
17:00 Taikocracy: It was :D
17:01 Jonawaga: ok the rest looks good
17:01 Jonawaga: im gonna upload
17:01 Jonawaga: you're gonna upload
17:01 Jonawaga: i'll get a second opinion
17:03 Jonawaga: tai tai tai tai tai tai 
17:04 Jonawaga: TAITATITAITAITAITIATIAITIATIAITIATITAIIATAITIQ
17:07 Taikocracy: sorry LOL
17:07 Jonawaga: xd
17:08 Taikocracy: everyone needs a second opinion oml
17:08 Taikocracy: xD
17:08 Jonawaga: upload sooner or later owo
17:08 Taikocracy: Hold on
17:09 Taikocracy: I'm getting the ,osu
17:09 Taikocracy: .osu*
17:11 Taikocracy: \okay it's updated lol
17:12 Jonawaga: yay]
17:16 Jonawaga: except
17:17 Jonawaga: you didnt do what i want for v2 lol
17:17 Taikocracy: where
17:17 Jonawaga: 00:38:469 (88) - k, 00:40:755 (95) - k, 00:43:041 (102) - k, 00:45:326 (109) - k
17:18 Jonawaga: 00:49:898 (123) - k
17:20 Jonawaga: got that?
17:20 Taikocracy: ryes
17:20 Jonawaga: thanks
17:20 Jonawaga:  did u wanna adjust the bg?
17:21 Taikocracy: Not really xD
17:21 Jonawaga: ahkay
17:21 Taikocracy: ;3
17:22 Taikocracy: fixed the link
17:22 Jonawaga: tysm XD
17:22 Taikocracy: np lol
17:22 Taikocracy: LOL did you ask Nepuri
17:22 Taikocracy: XD
17:22 Jonawaga: my friend's gonna msg u now
17:22 Jonawaga: yeshh
17:22 Taikocracy: XDDDD
17:23 Jonawaga: whats his suggestion
17:23 Taikocracy: Hold on
17:23 Taikocracy: He messed it up the first time
17:23 Jonawaga: lol
17:24 Taikocracy: "ok now properly lol"
17:24 Jonawaga: what
17:24 Jonawaga: xd
17:27 Taikocracy: He suggested removing some 1/2 from 00:09:326 - 00:18:469
17:28 Jonawaga: ah
17:28 Taikocracy: That was his only thing
17:29 Jonawaga: https://puu.sh/vFK1N/2974bc0a9c.jpg
17:29 Jonawaga: ya like?
17:29 Taikocracy: yeeee
17:29 Jonawaga: ok
17:30 Jonawaga: you know how to apply that, right?
17:31 Jonawaga: tai?
17:31 Taikocracy: No I don't XD
17:31 Jonawaga: oh lol
17:32 Jonawaga: open the .osu file
17:32 Taikocracy: I've never worked with the visual part of the editor except to apply a BG
17:32 Jonawaga: look for the line that says "0,0,"the other side.jpg",0,75"
17:32 Jonawaga: and change the last "0" to "75"
17:33 Taikocracy: Where
17:33 Taikocracy: :eyes:
17:33 Jonawaga: "events" section
17:33 Jonawaga: a few lines down
17:34 Taikocracy: In design?
17:34 Jonawaga: "events"
17:34 Jonawaga: in the .osu file
17:34 Jonawaga: file>open .osu in notepad
17:34 Taikocracy: Got it ye
17:35 Taikocracy: https://puu.sh/vFKFO/9a42a28a3d.png
17:35 Taikocracy: so it looks like that
17:35 Jonawaga: yeye
17:35 Jonawaga: that'll drop the bg
17:36 Taikocracy: Do I have to do it for all of the idffs
17:36 Taikocracy: What about on the muzu
17:36 Jonawaga: yes
17:36 Jonawaga: do that all diffs
17:36 Jonawaga: not muzu
17:37 Taikocracy: Lol okay
17:37 Taikocracy: oki we good
17:38 Taikocracy: updating
17:41 Taikocracy: omg i need to stop closing my osu
17:41 Jonawaga: xd
17:42 Taikocracy: the 2nd time
17:42 Taikocracy: :::????
17:43 Jonawaga: lol you're fine
17:45 Taikocracy: Dude there's a version of Chinese Restaurant that was like my sh*t back in the day lmao
17:45 Jonawaga: are u stalking me
17:46 Taikocracy: no hablo ingles
17:46 Taikocracy: =w=
17:48 Jonawaga: estas stalkiendo me?
17:49 Taikocracy: dang
17:49 Jonawaga: lol
17:49 Taikocracy: I can't Korean me way out of this
17:49 Taikocracy: ;-;
17:49 Taikocracy: yo no hablo espanol
17:49 Taikocracy: :3
17:50 Jonawaga: my background didn't drop
17:50 Taikocracy: the one on v2
17:50 Taikocracy: ?
17:50 Jonawaga: no
17:50 Jonawaga: like nothing dropped
17:50 Taikocracy: wut
17:51 Taikocracy: https://puu.sh/vFLKX/90fe85ecb2.png
17:51 Jonawaga: did u upload with it?
17:51 Taikocracy: is it supposed to look like this
17:52 Jonawaga: yes
17:52 Taikocracy: then it worked for me :thinking:
17:52 Jonawaga: i redownloaded and it looks like this
17:52 Jonawaga: https://puu.sh/vFLOl/8aafe66187.jpg
17:52 Jonawaga: faceless gal
17:52 Taikocracy: this is disappointing
17:52 Taikocracy: let me see what happens if i redl
17:53 Taikocracy: Nah your right lol
17:53 Taikocracy: HOld on
17:54 Taikocracy: Does the kantan look right
17:55 Jonawaga: yes
17:55 Taikocracy: check again
17:55 Taikocracy: I reupdated
18:01 Jonawaga: YAY
18:01 Jonawaga: 2 pretty girls
18:01 Jonawaga: in perfect view now
18:01 Taikocracy: XD
18:01 Jonawaga: sorry a lot of this was me intentionally wasting time XD
18:01 Taikocracy: LOL
18:01 Taikocracy: It's fine
18:02 Jonawaga: ready to blow some bubbles?

Stefan

Global Moderator

10,393 posts

Joined January 2011

Stefan 2017-05-05T00:24:43+00:00

Chatlog for things

01:39 *Stefan is editing [http://osu.ppy.sh/b/1154653 t+pazolite - Intro - the other Side [Oni]]
01:40 Stefan: I guess you REALLY want to stay with the 1.15 in the kiai, right?
01:40 Taikocracy: O:
01:40 Taikocracy: Well that part is much more intense than the rest of the song
01:40 Taikocracy: I think the SV speed up emphasizes tat
01:40 Taikocracy: That*
01:40 Stefan: I see, okay.
01:43 *Stefan is editing [http://osu.ppy.sh/b/1155174 t+pazolite - Intro - the other Side [Futsuu]]
01:44 Stefan: 01:24:898 (42) - this could be kddk like 01:29:326 (57,58,59,60) - is as well
01:44 Stefan: additionally, we could mirror 01:27:041 (49,50,51,52) - and 01:22:469 (33,34,35,36) - to these two parts
01:44 Stefan: and change them to dkkd (Dkkd for 01:22:469 (33,34,35,36) - )
01:45 Stefan: What do you think?
01:45 Taikocracy: So all those highlighted parts are kddk?
01:45 Stefan: 01:29:326 (57,58,59,60) - is kddk
01:46 Stefan: 01:24:755 (41,42,43,44) - is kkdk right now
01:46 Stefan: 01:27:041 (49,50,51,52) - and 01:22:469 (33,34,35,36) - are dddk but I suggested to change them to dkkd
01:46 Stefan: 01:22:469 (33,34,35,36) - to Dkkd (because you use a finisher)
01:47 Taikocracy: It sounds just as good
01:48 Stefan: Aye, okay.
01:48 Taikocracy: c:
01:48 Stefan: Now to my personal problem child
01:49 Taikocracy: :eyes:
01:53 Stefan: As weird it sounds
01:53 Stefan: but did you let confirm from someone (or by yourself) the metadata?
01:53 Taikocracy: Ayyri confirmed metadata
01:53 Stefan: Okay, that's enough for me.
01:53 Taikocracy: Skylish also looked at it when he did his first mod
01:54 Stefan: since "the other Side" looks so weird but then again because it looks so weird I can count it will be the right one.
01:55 Taikocracy: O:
02:04 Stefan: Okay uh..
02:04 Stefan: Two things we gonna do before we're done here
02:05 Stefan: first, the backgrounds.
02:05 Taikocracy: Alrighty!
02:05 Stefan: Although it doesn't really matter AS long you have good reasons to ignore the typical sizes we could reduce your current BG to 1024x768
02:06 Taikocracy: How do you do that
02:06 Taikocracy: :thinking:
02:06 Taikocracy: Do I have to change the resolution of the actual picture file
02:06 Stefan: Well, let me do this quick
02:08 Stefan: https://derpovic.s-ul.eu/q5htkB4q.jpg use this
02:09 Taikocracy: Wait
02:09 Taikocracy: I set the BG to move downward
02:09 Taikocracy: If I change the picture don't I have to like mess with that setting again
02:10 Stefan: Uh, not necessarily
02:10 Stefan: You put the BG directly in the folder
02:10 Stefan: it should be even labeled the same like the old bg
02:12 Stefan: https://derpovic.s-ul.eu/FhUIQ6oD.jpg use this for Ari's map
02:12 Stefan: (it really was 1365x768 gdi)
02:14 Taikocracy: Okay, got it
02:14 Stefan: Okay.
02:15 Stefan: for Futsuu and Kantan: Resnap all notes
02:16 Stefan: that function, you knw?
02:16 Stefan: *know
02:16 Taikocracy: Oh yeah
02:16 Stefan: Muzukashii and Oni were fine, checked them
02:16 Taikocracy: Done and done :3
02:16 Stefan: After then, go and update

tl;dr Backgrounds has been changed to standardized resolutions, small changes in the Futsuu kiai has been done.

Good night!
Edit: https://derpovic.s-ul.eu/YicUpFgt.png Lovely.

Feerum

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Feerum 2017-05-05T00:46:27+00:00

Hi.

Stefan did contact me in discord. It seems he forgot about the 24h rule.
Please wait from now on 21 more hours before qualify it again.

Reverted to bubble

Stefan

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Stefan 2017-05-05T23:05:20+00:00

Okay.

zigizigiefe

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zigizigiefe 2017-05-09T13:35:24+00:00

omg congratz Taikocracy \o/

qoot8123

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qoot8123 2017-05-10T04:14:10+00:00

Hello! I have some concern about futsuu and spread:

The 5/2 break on kiai part seems a bit forced and become less rhythmic , however, the structure on 00:36:755 - ~ 00:55:041 - is much better to me because you followed significant rhythm and instrument which kiai doesn't. So I suggest you could follow similar structure like this(01:13:326 -~ 01:18:184 - )

Additionally, the spread between kantan and futsuu is pretty large, especially 01:31:612 - ~01:40:755 - ,and 00:55:041 - ~01:04:184 - is very close to kantan .

These are what I concerned, I'd like to know what you think about if you not agree these suggestions.

OnosakiHito

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OnosakiHito 2017-05-12T18:34:50+00:00

Disqualified this beatmap as concerns were raised. Please check these and give an answer to them.
Additionally, I feel the same as qoot about the mentioned 5/2 as they are indeed kind of forced. Give it some more opinions.

Lumenite-

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Lumenite- 2017-05-13T00:39:14+00:00

(Originally sent over PM)

Hi.

The 5/2 break you suggested is quite the opposite of forced. To emphasize this point, to make it the opposite of forced, I would have to place a note at 01:14:326 (And by extension all similar sounds), and in doing so would quickly make the Futsuu kiai simply too hard for lower-level players, and would nullify that Futsuu's should have consistent 3/1 or 4/1 breaks. 5/2 breaks (2.5/1 breaks) are as close of breaks as this kiai is able to provide. Image

Additionally, spread issues between 00:55:041 - ~01:04:184 are not big because the section is calm-there is not much else to add here that would make logical or coherent sense.

Lastly, I do agree with spread issues between 01:31:612 - ~01:40:755. I've decreased the density by removing most of the 1/2 patterns in this section of the map. I maintained some as to also compensate for the spread in the Muzukashii, with more demanding 1/2.

Sorry for the late reply, I never received any notification that someone left a post.

~Taikocracy

(Please PM me in game when you read this, I'll most likely be able to discuss in further detail in irc.)

EDIT: I fixed all of the density issues you mentioned after second review, however still keeping the kiai the same due to the same reasons as listed above.

Nardoxyribonucleic

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Nardoxyribonucleic 2017-05-14T15:17:15+00:00

As requested in-game, here is an modding log regarding the issues raised in disqualification.

IRC mod with Taikocracy, May 14, 2017

22:01 Taikocracy: Hi!
22:01 Nardoxyribonucleic: hi
22:05 Taikocracy: I think you checked one of my maps not to long ago, the other Side?
22:07 Nardoxyribonucleic: Just skimmed through that once some days ago
22:08 Taikocracy: Did you think it was fine?
22:15 Nardoxyribonucleic: Hmm. I think the notes in Futsuu's kiai is a bit dissociated...
22:16 Nardoxyribonucleic: Let me think of some suggestions for you rather than the one you mentioned in your post
22:17 Nardoxyribonucleic: What do you think of moving 01:13:469 (2) - to 01:14:184 - and changing to k ?
22:18 Nardoxyribonucleic: As a 210bpm Futsuu, using 4 notes in a row seems a bit hard, and the gap between this and Kantan is a bit wide
22:18 Nardoxyribonucleic: four 1/2 notes
22:32 Taikocracy: That's a genius idea
22:32 Taikocracy: O:
22:33 Taikocracy: How would it work starting at 01:22:469- tho?
22:33 Taikocracy: I keep messing up the format ahg
22:33 Nardoxyribonucleic: Let's see...
22:34 Nardoxyribonucleic: 01:15:755 (10) - move to 01:16:469 - and then swap the 1/2 doublet to k d ?
22:35 Nardoxyribonucleic: Then the next two just repeat
22:36 Nardoxyribonucleic: http://puu.sh/vPK6U.jpg (cursor at 01:15:612 - )
22:38 Taikocracy: The rhythms changes at 01:22:469 (33) -
22:38 Taikocracy: Would you do the same thing
22:38 Nardoxyribonucleic: 01:19:898 (24) - what about changing this note to k for the snare sound?
22:45 Nardoxyribonucleic: You may try something like this for the rhythm change: https://puu.sh/vPKrr.jpg
22:45 Nardoxyribonucleic: (cursor at 01:22:469 - )
22:46 Nardoxyribonucleic: Then this second half of the kiai could be reformed like [https://puu.sh/vPKuR.jpg this] for consistency (cursor at 01:26:469 - )
22:48 Nardoxyribonucleic: I tried to keep your patterning as much as possible
22:49 Nardoxyribonucleic: So you may take this as an reference to improve the association between notes in the kiai
22:49 Taikocracy: Sorry my replies are late, it's mother's day and all

22:51 Taikocracy: That reduced the SR a bit
22:52 Taikocracy: And it looks great
22:53 Nardoxyribonucleic: You are welcome. Do you need an irc log for this?
22:53 Taikocracy: Are there any other notes that you see around the set in general?
22:53 Taikocracy: Before you post an irc
22:57 *Nardoxyribonucleic is editing [http://osu.ppy.sh/b/1155167 t+pazolite - Intro - the other Side [Kantan]]
22:57 Nardoxyribonucleic: 00:49:612 - consider adding d here to cohere with 00:45:041 - ?
22:59 Nardoxyribonucleic: From 00:52:755 to 00:53:326 - how about mapping with 1/1 kkd here ?
22:59 Nardoxyribonucleic: 00:52:755 - to 00:53:326 - *
23:00 Taikocracy: That looks great c:
23:01 Nardoxyribonucleic: 01:26:469 (8) - k would sound better as the background pitch is decreasing across 01:26:469 - 01:27:041 -
23:05 Nardoxyribonucleic: But you may keep it as d too
23:05 Taikocracy: Nah, the k makes sense because it's still relative in pitch to notes 6 and 7
23:05 Taikocracy: Which are also k
23:06 Nardoxyribonucleic: Yeah, it's up to you
23:09 Nardoxyribonucleic: As I mainly help you about the issues related to this disqualification, I guess that's it. You may ask Jonawaga and Stefan for a recheck again. :3

Good luck~

Jonarwhal

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Jonarwhal 2017-05-15T00:33:18+00:00

seems like everything was fixed, qualified~

Skylish

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Skylish 2017-05-15T00:43:25+00:00

Jonawaga wrote:
seems like everything was fixed, qualified~

Wait what?

There's likely a bunch of structural changes in the difficulties according to Nardo's IRC discussion with Taikocracy, shouldn't it be a bubble first?

pishifat

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pishifat 2017-05-15T00:52:52+00:00

get a bubble lolz

Lumenite-

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Lumenite- 2017-05-15T00:53:54+00:00