- Rain - wrote:

Anxients

00:10:358 (1,2,3) - Might seem jaring for a new player going from the vocals to the back beat then back to the vocals, maybe 2 3/2 sliders would work better? - spread would be weird considering that if i did that it would be another easy diff
02:18:929 - Feels Very empty considering there is clear things that could be mapped here - im keeping the consistemcy with the pause i put 02:16:116 -
02:44:643 (2,3) - Considering how this has been expressed before in the song, i feel like consistency in rhythm choices would help a new player more than having changes just to make it feel new, it would make more sense to me to use this change in the last kiai rather than here. - you call it variety, i call it increasing the difficulty. a map's no fun if it doesnt get harder imo :p plus i think its pretty fine as is. no need to change anything

Sorry for the short mod, didnt have much time

sdafsf wrote:

anxient's normal

00:57:500 (1,2,1,2,1,2) - this section is all the same rhytm and yet you decided to chose 3 different ways to represent it. for the last combo you even mapped a different sound. it should be consistent imo - keeping the first one, made the third variety consistent with the 2nd variety
01:27:902 (2) - there is not sound on this red tick. i would choose a rhythm that closely follows the music in a normal diff. - nice
01:28:974 (2) - ^
01:30:045 (2) - ^ - catch
02:43:572 (1) - this section is mapped too differently to this imo 03:35:000 (1) - . if one kiai has to be more intense it should be the last kiai. the only kiai you chose to map in a very hard and intense way was the middle one which is a poor decision imo.i would either make them all consistent or make the last kiai the hardest(preferable even the arigato kiai). - buffed kiai 3.1, left the arigatou kiai alone coz i wanted it to feel like a finale (not too hard, dropping the diff)
03:59:643 (1) - make this end hitsound louder - nah

bad mod sorry . i didnt really find anything bad so i tried hard to find things i dont like - you did pretty great :thinking:

-himei wrote:

uh i guess i missed something from raikozen aka graveyard mapper for relax mod

My Angel Azusa wrote:

moph
00:09:837 (3) - im wondering why you dont choose to NC this cuz sv has changed a lot and the length of slider is much shorter than (1). Kinda confused to read for 00:09:301 (1,2,3,4) - lol
I mean I think its far from unreadable but if DQ'd sure will change. 00:09:301 (1,2) - is where the SV increased (where the NC is) and 00:09:837 (3,4) - just goes back to the SV before so its not hard to read

00:22:143 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8) - this seems very weird tbh, all beats here sound similar but you use a very different spacing for 00:22:143 (1,2,3,4) - and 00:22:679 (5,6,7,8) - . The first part 00:22:143 (1,2,3,4) - is well, mapped to the song. The jump between 00:22:277 (2,3) - is to emphasize (3) for obvious reasons. The second bar 00:22:679 (5,6,7,8) - however is expressing the repetition in the song, as the music repeats for another bar the movement also reflects that, mimicking the last set of movements from the previous bar which is why there isn't a jump. I figured this would be more interesting than repeating the same pattern.

Besides, from 00:27:500 - it makes sense for you to use 0.75x since usic is recurring but its less intense. But your ds and sv suddenly decreased so much....examples are 00:29:643 (1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,5,6) - and 00:21:072 (1,2,3,4,5,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8) - a huge difference imo. 00:29:643 (1,2,3,4) - should at least ctrl+G 00:29:911 (2,4) - lol
uh they're different because the song is very different between the two sections. 00:21:072 (1,2,3,4,5,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8) - percussion wise this section always has something every 1/1 and 00:29:643 (1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,5,6) - only has percussion every 2/1. It is a pretty noticeable difference and acts as a calmer section before the song picks up again. That is why there is a significant DS to express that point. 00:29:643 (1,2,3,4) - is also spaced lower than than 00:27:500 (1,2,3,4) - because its pitched lower, thought this would fit well with the music.

00:35:000 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8) - flow is hard to follow, also if you look at what ure doing 00:26:429 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8) - the stack kinda breaks the flow.
how is the flow hard to follow exactly? If you're wondering why 00:35:536 (5,6,7,8) - is stacked, that's because the drums happens in pairs and 00:35:536 (5,7) - should be emphasized more which is the whole point to the starting and stopping motion. 00:26:965 (5,6,7,8) - is different as every note has the same drum which is why there is movement to each note.

01:13:572 (6) - NC
shit.

02:28:572 (1,2) - 02:29:643 (1,2) - spacing is inconsistent
Whole point is that the pattern goes forward backwards backward with increased spacing to kinda add build up for the following part. I think it fits additionally in the second half the vocal raises in pitch so the music builds up too

02:51:072 (1) - this is a very obvious 1/4 stream tbh
I'd pretty sure this is 1/6 lol. Sounds a bit off but definitely not 1/4 as I count 7 beats. Additionally I don't think a stream fits here.

03:56:429 (1,2,3,4,1,2) - spacing is way too small for kiai, you used large spacings for 03:55:090 (5,1,2,3,4,5) - etc anyways
I thought lower spacing would be a nice way to tie off the map after that intense section. If DQ'd I'll make the spacing larger but imo not an issue.

Yuii- wrote:

02:03:661 (3,1) - This still hasn't been fixed, and it does not affect any of the before/previous patterns as mentioned in p/5684862 . This circle should be place elsewhere because it truly was a mistake from Raikozen, which was mentioned a couple of months ago and still has not been fixed.

My Angel Azusa wrote:

Nino
01:18:393 (1) - why nc for emphasis
02:37:947 (5,1) - nazi blanket xdd
03:17:724 (3) - should break it to 2 circles cuz its different from 03:17:456 (1,2) - if u listen carefully mainly for structure consistent tho and the drum sound isnt the sound im following :p
03:24:889 - 03:25:291 - why ignored lul mainly for emphasis on the drum sound, for impact in gameplay xd

1. 00:18:929 (1,2,3,4,5,6) - Let's just go in-depth for on this pattern as an example. Just by looking at this and listening to the music I can't figure out at all what you are trying to emphasize in the music. The most intuitive thing would be the melody as it's by far the most dominant, however that doesn't fit as you are using big spacing from 1 to 2 which is totally fine, but on 3 the spacing gets extremely low in comparison to the previous two objects. Afterwards you are using 4 circles to...yeah, I really have no idea what you are trying to express with those. Would be completely fine if there was something special like you have 00:20:804 (4,5,1) - here (where the melody also hits the red tick to make the explanation short) but that's not the case. So to summarize this pattern, which was only an example of all the thousand similar patterns you have in this difficulty, it's purely random and totally ignoring the music as you are not doing what the music suggests. I'm not saying that the whole map is flawed as you did it correctly at some points, but a lot of patterns are really similar and thus not really expressing the music.
2. 00:24:286 (1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4) - In what way is this pattern a lot more intense than everything before? From the objective perspective it seems like you tried to emphasize the different pitches correctly, however that's only partly the case. 00:22:143 (1,1,2,1,2,1) - here you did completely fine, it's extremely noticable that the pitch went a lot higher and another weird noisy sound appears but for some reason you totally escalate with the spacing two measures later and basically make it non-sense as the music gets a lot calmer...and any explanation like "the section is pretty much about to end so I want to emphasize that) doesn't really work as it's not really noticable in the music (and no where near expectable when listening to the song the first time anyway) so there's that.
3. 00:30:715 (1,2,3,1,2,3) - So I can clearly see that you tried to emphasize the higher pitch by using a pattern with higher density, which is totally fine, however you aren't even nearly doing the same 00:32:858 (1,2,3,4,5) - here which is like super confusing because it's just inconsistent, not only density-wise but even spacing-wise it's completely different with not really being anyhing different in the music that gives the player the feeling that the sudden change is justified.
4. 00:36:072 - For the ghost stream that actually is already weird enough and not justified at all (yes, your explanation for them aren't satisfying at all and don't really make sense Kroytz), it's even more weird that you aren't highlighting the drums that for some reason land on some red ticks, so basically another major issue where you pretty much just ignore the music.
5. 00:43:572 (1,2) - Hm, ignoring the 1/2 vocals here, mapping the 1/2 melody 00:44:375 (3,4) - here and then all of a sudden give the vocals some love 00:47:858 (1,2,3) - here...

1. 00:57:233 (4) - This is imo pretty much the same as the white tick on the slidertail of 00:52:679 (4) - so there should be another 1/1 gap to emphasis the strong upcoming melody instead of the vocals in this case, the 1/2 just feels really random to me because there's like exactly the same thing before but you just start adding objects to it when there's no reason to except than trying to build emphasis which can't really happen when you start going inconsistent.
2. 01:09:286 (1,2,3,4,5,1,2,3,4,5) - Extremely counter-intuitive that these two bursts lack hitsounding (and thus feedback) so hard when you even mapped a stream with normal hitsounding to a non-existent thing, don't you think?
3. 01:19:733 (4) - Not mapped to the vocals when you do it every time later on?
4. 02:05:358 (2,3,4) - I'm wondering how this is supposed to be readable without an extra NC / good readable pattern. Stacked 1/3's are an extreme pain to read and since there's no special NC the player will still expect the rhythm to be either 1/2 or 1/4 just like usual, so in this case the player would tap 1/4s because there's no way to predict / read the 1/3's properly.
5. Sometimes there are also patterns like 02:10:893 (1,3) - with no real (or clear) concept behind them, so they feel really forced when playing because the pattern is kinda special but there's no music making it fit or anything else that makes it more intuitive
6. 02:23:750 (1,2,1,2) - lol
7. 02:51:072 (1,2,3,1) - Since most objects were 1/4 anyway there's nothing wrong with doing the same same here (let alone that there are some 1/4 repeats with a really similar spacing) and 1/8's on this BPM are extremely punishing, so it's just really unneccesary to do this imo.

GaterRaider wrote:

@Stjpa:

i guess its time for a break; playing isnt fun at all anymore, i suck at mapping so i cant enjoy it either and modding is meh

You should stick to your profile description since your mod is a whole lot of rambling garbage that you felt the need to put a summary at the bottom. Yes it sounds rude and harsh, but honestly that's just the truth and there's no other way to say it.

GaterRaider wrote:

I don't know how mappers put up with shit like this. If you can't express yourself with a thousand words maybe you shouldn't post here. You talk about things not making sense from an objective perspective and list up a bunch of stuff that are your personal opinion and nothing more, no matter how hard you try to spin it any other way. I don't know in which echo chamber you live in to have seen hate on this map literally everywhere. Maybe you should step out of your bubble for a bit and ignore the circlejerk you see by a few select people in this thread.

Stjpa wrote:

1. 00:18:929 (1,2,3,4,5,6) - Let's just go in-depth for on this pattern as an example. Just by looking at this and listening to the music I can't figure out at all what you are trying to emphasize in the music. The most intuitive thing would be the melody as it's by far the most dominant, however that doesn't fit as you are using big spacing from 1 to 2 which is totally fine, but on 3 the spacing gets extremely low in comparison to the previous two objects. Afterwards you are using 4 circles to...yeah, I really have no idea what you are trying to express with those. Would be completely fine if there was something special like you have 00:20:804 (4,5,1) - here (where the melody also hits the red tick to make the explanation short) but that's not the case. So to summarize this pattern, which was only an example of all the thousand similar patterns you have in this difficulty, it's purely random and totally ignoring the music as you are not doing what the music suggests. I'm not saying that the whole map is flawed as you did it correctly at some points, but a lot of patterns are really similar and thus not really expressing the music.

Stjpa wrote:

00:24:286 (1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4) - In what way is this pattern a lot more intense than everything before? From the objective perspective it seems like you tried to emphasize the different pitches correctly, however that's only partly the case. 00:22:143 (1,1,2,1,2,1) - here you did completely fine, it's extremely noticable that the pitch went a lot higher and another weird noisy sound appears but for some reason you totally escalate with the spacing two measures later and basically make it non-sense as the music gets a lot calmer...and any explanation like "the section is pretty much about to end so I want to emphasize that) doesn't really work as it's not really noticable in the music (and no where near expectable when listening to the song the first time anyway) so there's that.

ok i might kinda agree that this is a bit overhauled, but it also reflects the same pitch change as previously, i do that in other things you pointed out as well

Stjpa wrote:

00:30:715 (1,2,3,1,2,3) - So I can clearly see that you tried to emphasize the higher pitch by using a pattern with higher density, which is totally fine, however you aren't even nearly doing the same 00:32:858 (1,2,3,4,5) - here which is like super confusing because it's just inconsistent, not only density-wise but even spacing-wise it's completely different with not really being anyhing different in the music that gives the player the feeling that the sudden change is justified.

Stjpa wrote:

00:36:072 - For the ghost stream that actually is already weird enough and not justified at all (yes, your explanation for them aren't satisfying at all and don't really make sense Kroytz), it's even more weird that you aren't highlighting the drums that for some reason land on some red ticks, so basically another major issue where you pretty much just ignore the music.

Stjpa wrote:

00:43:572 (1,2) - Hm, ignoring the 1/2 vocals here, mapping the 1/2 melody 00:44:375 (3,4) - here and then all of a sudden give the vocals some love 00:47:858 (1,2,3) - here...

Stjpa wrote:

These issues are pretty much in the whole map. However, the by far biggest issue in this diff are the screenjumps.

Stjpa wrote:

screenjumps.

Stjpa wrote:

00:48:929 - in the section starting here you start placing jumps in a way that is not understandable for anyone who listens to the music properly when playing. Because of all the screenjumps you placed here all the emphasis you tried to use in the kiais, which are unarguably the most intense sections in the song by far, completely lose its emphasis and meaning as they are mapped the same way as in non-kiai parts even though they are stronger. Is that intuitive? Not really. Does it make sense? Not at all, and I'm sure you can agree on it, at least a lot of other people who aren't bad at modding / mapping or whatever can. This is just a very big flaw in the maps concepts which is crucial as maps are supposed to reflect the music, which doesn't happen here when you do something like this.

Stjpa wrote:

1. 00:57:233 (4) - This is imo pretty much the same as the white tick on the slidertail of 00:52:679 (4) - so there should be another 1/1 gap to emphasis the strong upcoming melody instead of the vocals in this case, the 1/2 just feels really random to me because there's like exactly the same thing before but you just start adding objects to it when there's no reason to except than trying to build emphasis which can't really happen when you start going inconsistent.

Stjpa wrote:

01:09:286 (1,2,3,4,5,1,2,3,4,5) - Extremely counter-intuitive that these two bursts lack hitsounding (and thus feedback) so hard when you even mapped a stream with normal hitsounding to a non-existent thing, don't you think?

Stjpa wrote:

01:19:733 (4) - Not mapped to the vocals when you do it every time later on?

Stjpa wrote:

02:05:358 (2,3,4) - I'm wondering how this is supposed to be readable without an extra NC / good readable pattern. Stacked 1/3's are an extreme pain to read and since there's no special NC the player will still expect the rhythm to be either 1/2 or 1/4 just like usual, so in this case the player would tap 1/4s because there's no way to predict / read the 1/3's properly.

Stjpa wrote:

Sometimes there are also patterns like 02:10:893 (1,3) - with no real (or clear) concept behind them, so they feel really forced when playing because the pattern is kinda special but there's no music making it fit or anything else that makes it more intuitive 02:23:750 (1,2,1,2) - lol 02:51:072 (1,2,3,1) - Since most objects were 1/4 anyway there's nothing wrong with doing the same same here (let alone that there are some 1/4 repeats with a really similar spacing) and 1/8's on this BPM are extremely punishing, so it's just really unneccesary to do this imo.