petit milady - Hakone Hakoiri Musume · forum

Asaiga

Joined July 2013

Asaiga 2016-09-26T17:06:40+00:00

hi, from m4m

[thzz's Hard]
Feel free to say no to anything you feel wrong

00:09:532 (6) - I think you have been following the drum here, I understand why you place this 1/4 repeat slider but I think it makes better sense in term of making this a 1/2 or 3/4 slider. Because there is no drum sound there.
Or make this 1/1 slider 00:09:532 (6,1) - with clap/finish at slider end
00:13:487 (2,3) - Like here you did, there is no drum and you switched to 1/2 slider

I find it strange here 00:21:805 (4,5,6) -
\\ You switch follow the offbeat and map the drum on the slider end.
00:22:487 (7,8) - So if you want to switch back on the white tick I think it's better to stack it (8) with (7). Like you did here 00:21:805 (4,5) - . It's a sign of switching polarity for the players. Even tho I know it does not make any difference. Your choice

00:26:168 (4,5) - I think you can make the rhythm like this. Reason :
00:26:168 - You may want this to be clickable and it will emphasise the vocal better

00:34:487 (4) - I'm wondering why you map on red tick. The sound is weak there and mapping on white tick would be more reasonable.
00:34:350 (3,4) - These can be 1/2 sliders

00:35:578 (4) - Sound on the slider end is stronger and it doesn't match the concept of the slider. So if you want to map the instrument which I don't recommend you to because on that same measure you have been following the vocal 00:34:896 (1,2,3) -
So I think it's better to either
1) 00:35:578 (4) - Make this 1/1 slider, ends on red tick
2) Or just make one note here 00:35:714 -

00:54:941 (3) - Why is this repeat slider? There is no sound on blue tick for me
00:55:282 - But here there is

01:10:214 (3,4) - If you have been following the vocal in the kiai. I don't think these notes here suit what you are mapping to BUT!
01:09:668 (3,1) - This should be 1/1 slider because there is no sound to be clicked here 01:09:668 (3,1) -
01:10:078 (2) - And you NC this then people will know that you switch back to instrument
But in fast song like this hardly anyone notices lol

I can't mod fast bpm extra. Easy and Normal are fine, I checked Insane it was good too
sorry if bad mod

onsaemiro

85 posts

Joined February 2014

onsaemiro 2016-09-27T22:02:22+00:00

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Kalibe's Insane

00:01:487 (2,3,4,5,1,2) - not symmetrical and looks kinda ugly (2, 4, 1 should def form a line, hopefully evenly spaced)
^2 should prolly get closer to 1, but seeing what you did in 00:04:487 (5,1,2) , im guessing you like the even spacing there. In that case, try to align 00:02:714 (2) with 00:01:759 (3,5)
00:02:987 - 00:05:168 - i feel like these two ticks should have something clickable D: pretty distinct sound that's as important as the slider start that ends here
00:08:850 (2,5,6,7) - overlap. 2 should either stack with or be higher up than the slider. optimally, 2 should be where the triple+slider is rn, and the rest (00:09:396 (5,6,7,1) ) should be moved to where 2 is rn. it makes it look much less messy
00:09:805 (1,2) - should be stacked since you stacked these two --> 00:11:987 (1,2)
00:20:441 (4,5,3) - awk overlap. can prolly stack
00:26:714 (3) - kinda breaks the flow. maybe ctrl+g this? but this solution also breaks the flow from that to 00:26:987 (1) so either keep what you have now or find a better solution than me :3
00:30:532 (1,3) - light suggestion to stack, but prollly is fine as is now
00:36:668 (3,1) - should stack
00:56:168 (3,1) - overlap

first time i had to look through the map again cuz my mod was too short D: its too gud

Little's Extra

00:38:168 (1,2,3,4,5,6) - this star pattern looks kinda ugly D: while it doesn't have to be a perfect star (actually it prolly shouldnt be a perfect star), i think it would be appropriate to apply symmetry along a line (something along the line of this -> https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/6195015) <-- this is not the best solution because it causes overlap in 00:38:578 (4,1) and breaks stack in 00:38:850 (6,2) , but i'm sure a better solution exists out there (shifting a few stuff here and there)
^the reason why i say this is from my theory that if a pattern looks somewhat like a star (or any other shape for that matter) but is imperfect, it looks uglier than a similar pattern that is so deformed that it no longer looks like a star (and therefore less expectation to look like a perfect star). The current pattern looks starlike enough to be associated with one, but the lack of symmetry makes it look somewhat unappealing.
ofc this is just a personal theory :3 feel free to ignore this
01:11:987 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7) - same as above
01:26:168 (1,2,3,4,5) - 01:27:259 (1,2,3,4,5) - 01:38:168 (1,2,3,4,5) <- examples of "deformed" star-like pattern that is not expected to look like a star and therefore is ok as is. cursor movement very much resembles a usual star pattern (change in momentum and stuff), but because one or two of these points is so far away from where an actual star point would normally be, a player will not immediately recognize it as a "star" pattern and will not be taken aback by the lack of symmetry.

actually can't find faults. i'm a bad modder D: y are y'all so gud at mapping

Dailycare's Extra

00:02:305 (1,2,3) - i feel like 2 and 3 should be a tad bit (like a few tiny grid points) further from 1. its uncomfortably close to stacking that i really want it to be stacked on 1 (but i'm assuming you didn't stack them for a reason)
00:04:487 (1,2,3) - ^ this distance looks good ^.^ it's like mm difference but this looks much better than the one above
00:19:896 (2,3) - start of 3 is slightly closer to 2 than the end of 3. again mm diff but anything for perfect blanket amirite?

00:38:714 (3,1) - it's a super blatant overlap that i think it is probably intentional? i still think it would look better if 1 curved downward to avoid 3 a bit
00:58:759 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7) - what i said in Little's Extra about my theory also applies here i think. this star is somewhat uncomfortable to look at D: my shitty solution (you can prolly do better) for now is -- https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/6195132 (ofc you will have to fix the blanket on 00:59:714 (7) if you do this)
01:06:259 (4,2) - uncomfortably close (stack will be better in this case. i noticed a general theme in this map about having notes slightly off from the slider starts/ends and i respect that, but i think stacking 2 on 4 will be much easier than shifting 4 further up)
01:08:714 (1,3) - maybe 3 can be rotated a bit more clockwise to minimize the overlap? since the momentum from 01:08:987 (2) - curves up a bit anyways, it wouldn't matter too much if 3 is a bit further from 2. don't mind it too much it doesn't look as bad as i make it sound like it is
01:10:896 (1,1) - lul i laughed at this. it's like a rankable version of burai slider

i have no issue with it i just wanted to point it out
01:17:441 (1,3) - what i said about 01:08:714 (1,3)
01:24:941 (1,2) - i feel like the start of 1 should be to the left of the start of 2 D: looks weird
01:34:350 (1,2) - ^ 2 should be to the bottom right of 1
01:37:078 (1,2,1,2,1,2,1,2) - i think the second set can expand a tiiiny bit more outward from the first set (another mm thing). its uncomfortably close again that i really want to stack them but shouldnt

this was fun

i hope i was helpful even though you guys are god at mapping and im just a lowly scrub D: this was fun to play/mod

to the rank it goes!

midori_wah

426 posts

Joined April 2015

midori_wah 2016-09-29T00:33:27+00:00

I'm here from m4m queue.

Hakone

[Hakone]
00:10:350 - Maybe add a circle here to avoid HP drain.
00:10:896 - ^
00:12:532 - ^
00:13:078 - This one is for effect at the start of the 1/4 measure.
00:14:714 - ^Kinda?
01:31:078 - Same as the first. Don't want people to fail at the end, right?
01:31:623 - ^
01:33:259 - ^
01:33:805 - This one is also for effect.
01:35:441 - ^

Dailycare's Extra

[Dailycare's Extra]
00:10:350 - Avoid HP drain.
00:10:896 - ^
00:12:532 - ^
00:13:078 - For effect.
00:14:714 - ^
00:44:714 (1) - Maybe extend this by 1 tick (1/4)?
00:45:259 (1) - ^
00:49:078 (1) - ^
00:49:623 (1) - ^
01:11:441 - Add a circle here.
01:11:578 - ^
01:20:168 - ^
01:20:305 - ^
01:31:078 - Avoid HP drain.
01:31:623 - ^
01:33:259 - ^
01:33:805 - For effect.
01:35:441 - ^

Little's Extra

[Little's Extra]
00:10:350 - Add a circle here for effect.
00:10:896 - ^
00:12:532 - ^
00:13:078 - ^
00:14:714 - ^
01:10:896 - Add a circle here so that it matches the rhythm some more. (Doesn't make much sense, but I tried ;w;)
01:11:032 - ^
01:11:168 (1) - Stack this onto the previous 2 circles.
01:11:441 - 01:11:714 (1) - Same as before.
01:19:623 - 01:19:896 (1) - ^
01:19:896 (1) - 01:20:442 (1) - ^
01:22:487 - Add a circle here, so that it follows the rhythm.
01:24:668 - ^
01:31:078 - For effect.
01:31:623 - ^
01:33:259 - ^
01:33:805 - ^
01:35:441 - ^

Kalibe's Insane

[Kalibe's Insane]
00:10:350 - For effect.
00:10:896 - ^
00:12:532 - ^
00:13:078 - ^
00:14:714 - ^
01:12:600 - Maybe add a circle here? It just feels kinda off-beat.
01:31:078 - For effect.
01:31:623 - ^
01:33:259 - ^
01:33:805 - ^
01:35:441 - ^
01:38:714 (3) - Extend this by 1 tick (1/4), along with replacing the circle with a 2 tick slider (1/4) 1 tick after it.
01:39:668 (3) - Maybe turn this into a 2 tick repeating slider (1/4).
01:44:032 (2) - Maybe extend this slider by 1 tick so that off-rhythm sound at the end.

thzz's Hard

[thzz's Hard]
00:09:805 (1) - Replace this circle with a 8 tick once repeating slider (1/4).
00:11:987 (3) - ^
00:14:168 (1) - Replace this with an 8 tick slider no repeating (1/4).
01:11:441 - Add a circle here to connect the rhythm.
01:17:305 (1) - The spacing seems weird here.
01:20:168 - Same at the one above the previous.
01:30:532 (1) - Replace this circle with a 8 tick once repeating slider (1/4).
01:32:714 (3) - ^
01:34:896 (1) - ^ But no repeat.

eINess' Normal

00:10:350 - Add circle for effect.
00:10:896 - ^
01:02:441 - Add a 2 tick slider here (1/4).
01:02:850 - Add a 4 tick slider here (1/4).
01:03:396 - Add a 2 tick once repeating slider (1/4) here.
01:03:805 - Add a circle here.
01:41:441 (1) - Shorten this spinner by 12 ticks (1/4).
01:44:032 - Add a circle with a finish hitsound here.
01:44:441 - ^

Easy

[Easy]
00:10:350 - Add a slider here.
00:12:532 - ^
01:21:805 (5) - Maybe replace this with a repeating slider here. (xxxx<xxxx)
01:23:987 (1) - ^
01:31:078 - Add a slider here.
01:33:259 - ^

Why all the ^'s? Because I suck at modding.

Done.

Last edited by midori_wah 2016-09-29T21:56:45+00:00, edited 1 time in total.

Little

2,509 posts

Joined November 2012

Little 2016-09-29T03:07:00+00:00

chparkkim

chparkkim wrote:
00:38:168 (1,2,3,4,5,6) - this star pattern looks kinda ugly D: while it doesn't have to be a perfect star (actually it prolly shouldnt be a perfect star), i think it would be appropriate to apply symmetry along a line (something along the line of this -> https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/6195015) <-- this is not the best solution because it causes overlap in 00:38:578 (4,1) and breaks stack in 00:38:850 (6,2) , but i'm sure a better solution exists out there (shifting a few stuff here and there)
^the reason why i say this is from my theory that if a pattern looks somewhat like a star (or any other shape for that matter) but is imperfect, it looks uglier than a similar pattern that is so deformed that it no longer looks like a star (and therefore less expectation to look like a perfect star). The current pattern looks starlike enough to be associated with one, but the lack of symmetry makes it look somewhat unappealing.
ofc this is just a personal theory :3 feel free to ignore this
01:11:987 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7) - same as above
01:26:168 (1,2,3,4,5) - 01:27:259 (1,2,3,4,5) - 01:38:168 (1,2,3,4,5) <- examples of "deformed" star-like pattern that is not expected to look like a star and therefore is ok as is. cursor movement very much resembles a usual star pattern (change in momentum and stuff), but because one or two of these points is so far away from where an actual star point would normally be, a player will not immediately recognize it as a "star" pattern and will not be taken aback by the lack of symmetry.

actually can't find faults. i'm a bad modder D: y are y'all so gud at mapping

None of these were meant to look like stars. My circle placement is based on my perception of what is comfortable to play, not symmetry or star shapes.

dark_assassin16

dark_assassin16 wrote:
[Little's Extra]
00:10:350 - Add a circle here for effect.
00:10:896 - ^
00:12:532 - ^
00:13:078 - ^
00:14:714 - ^
01:10:896 - Add a circle here so that it matches the rhythm some more. (Doesn't make much sense, but I tried ;w;)
01:11:032 - ^
01:11:168 (1) - Stack this onto the previous 2 circles.
01:11:441 - 01:11:714 (1) - Same as before.
01:19:623 - 01:19:896 (1) - ^
01:19:896 (1) - 01:20:442 (1) - ^
01:22:487 - Add a circle here, so that it follows the rhythm.
01:24:668 - ^
01:31:078 - For effect.
01:31:623 - ^
01:33:259 - ^
01:33:805 - ^
01:35:441 - ^

I prefer to place emphasis on drums rather than vocals, because they have more interesting rhythm and heavier impact in the song.

Thanks for checking.
No change to my diff.

Sebu

95 posts

Joined February 2014

Sebu 2016-09-29T16:39:21+00:00

hi, m4m

Keep in mind everything I say is only suggestions.

thzz's Hard
to start off there is not much to comment on in this diff. looks clean.

00:08:168 (2) - this feels like something a new player might misread, as it's hidden under the slider. should probably try to avoid this
01:40:896 (3) - ugly slider, could be easily blanketed with 01:41:441 (1) -

Kalibe's Insane

00:35:578 (2,3) - probably should ctrl+g for easier reading and feels better to play
00:45:532 (4,2) - blanket
00:47:305 (2,3) - and 00:48:396 (2,3) - has very different spacing, even tho they are the same intensity, why?
01:11:714 (4,1,2) - these angles look quite messy tbh
01:12:532 (1,2,3,4,5) - feel like this would play better if the position of (1) and the triple was swapped.
01:20:441 (4,1) - blanket
01:32:168 (1,2) - ^

Little's Extra

00:17:441 (1,5) - blanket
00:21:941 (1,2,3,1,2) - making these stacked makes it difficult to not misread as triplets. should consider changing
01:43:350 (4) - i dont hear any repeating 1/4's here. should just be a circle at both white and red tick, or kickslider on white and circle on red tick.

Dailycare's Extra

00:39:532 (2,3,1,2) - should be rearranged this way imo. plays better and makes more sense. https://sebu.s-ul.eu/bWOiwKHS
00:48:532 (1,2) - why did u choose to use 2 circles here instead of a slider, when u did that on the exact same part just a second earlier?
00:52:896 (1,2) - ^
00:59:714 (7) - ctrl+g
01:14:578 (3) - feels better with ctrl+g tbh. maybe move a bit further away/down if u choose to do so.
01:15:123 - quite an important sound. should be able to click it
01:21:668 - ^
01:38:987 (1) - unfitting shape?
01:43:078 (1,2,3,4,5,6,1) - this plays really awkward

Hakone

00:01:078 (1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,5,6,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,5,6,7) - not sure what this part is mapped to? i can hear some of it, but some of the notes like 00:02:850 (5) - i hear no sound on(depends on what you're following but that is kinda my point).
Don't really see a problem with structure, spacing or patterns otherwise, nice map.
good luck with rank

Dailycare

Beatmap Nominator

1,071 posts

Joined May 2012

Dailycare 2016-09-29T23:20:13+00:00

I'm sorry that I wasn't able to reply to you guys ;c And I hardly fix them tbh.. Anyway thanks for mods!

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144,154,57941,1,2,0:0:0:0:
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Cellina

1,004 posts

Joined March 2013

Cellina 2016-09-30T11:46:45+00:00

Hakone

00:18:259 (1) - 이거 솔직히 더 부드럽게 다듬을 수 있었을거같은데... 너무 어색했음
00:31:623 (1,3) - 스택에러
00:37:078 (1,2) - 얘네들 정도는 서클로 대체해도 될거같음
00:40:623 (2) - ^
01:03:123 (3) - 뉴콤 어떰
01:23:714 (6,7,1,2) - 동선 좀 어색해보여요

Dailycare's Extra

00:13:623 (1,2) - 이거 충분히 3/4슬라랑 1/2슬라로 헷갈릴 수 있음
01:34:350 (1,2,3) - ^
00:13:896 (2,3) - 상식적으로 너무 넓은거 아님??????????
00:49:078 (1,2,1,2) - 님 이거 제가 몇백번이나 쳐봤는데 너무헷갈려요;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;

늦어서 ㅈㅅ

sahuang

2,293 posts

Joined December 2014

sahuang 2016-10-01T11:40:59+00:00

Easy→Normal
Normal→Advanced
Better? ww

Garden

Nomination Assessment Team

1,343 posts

Joined June 2013

Garden 2016-10-03T09:59:15+00:00

General

convert ur cutebg to a .jpg file can save 1/3 of ur filesize!
a silent sliderslide would sound good in some diffs with soft sample for the first part

Easy

im kinda confused about the rhythm at the very first part, what about starting ur diff here 00:05:441 - and delete previous objects?
00:38:714 (2,3) - maybe consider this rhythm pattern instead to go with continuous 1/1 gap on timeline

eINess' Normal

00:56:987 - 00:57:259 - it feels more natural to have claps here imo, its still part of the drum-intense part

thzz's Hard

00:50:987 (6,1) - same spacing as 00:46:623 (6,1) - ?
01:25:555 - 01:28:350 (1,2,3) - clap on the blue tick feels kinda abrupt here imo, maybe nerf the volume a bit or hitsound in another way?
01:40:896 (3,1) - can improve blanket a bit

Kalibe's Insane

00:09:737 - 00:14:100 - 01:34:828 - soft sample as 00:11:441 (2,3,1) - ?

Little's Extra

00:13:828 - 00:14:100 - 01:34:555 - 01:34:828 - 01:40:555 - 01:40:828 - soft sample as 00:11:441 (2,3,1) - ?
00:27:805 (3,4) - what about making 3 a slider since it might be misread as continuous 1/2 rhythm imo

Dailycare's Extra

01:10:896 (1,1) - 01:19:623 (1,1) - okay for reading imo, but i thought unstack the pattern a bit fits ur general style on this diff, like 00:02:305 (1,2,3) - 00:13:623 (1,2) - etc.?
01:26:168 (1,2,1,2,1,2,1,2,1,2,1,2,1,2,1,2) - maybe u can change the jump order of second symmetric part a bit since the straight pattern 01:26:987 (1,2,1) - might be a bit hard to aim

Hakone

01:28:487 (1,2,3,1,2,3,1,2,3,1,2,1) - just sth as a player, getting those triplets closer make them a lot easier to play, and it doesnt even intefere with the star rating more than 0.05*
01:39:396 (1) - same

thzz

579 posts

Joined May 2012

thzz 2016-10-03T12:18:28+00:00

Asaiga wrote:
hi, from m4m

[thzz's Hard]
Feel free to say no to anything you feel wrong

00:09:532 (6) - I think you have been following the drum here, I understand why you place this 1/4 repeat slider but I think it makes better sense in term of making this a 1/2 or 3/4 slider. Because there is no drum sound there.
Or make this 1/1 slider 00:09:532 (6,1) - with clap/finish at slider end this isn't following drums but changed hitsound~
00:13:487 (2,3) - Like here you did, there is no drum and you switched to 1/2 slider

I find it strange here 00:21:805 (4,5,6) -
\\ You switch follow the offbeat and map the drum on the slider end.
00:22:487 (7,8) - So if you want to switch back on the white tick I think it's better to stack it (8) with (7). Like you did here 00:21:805 (4,5) - . It's a sign of switching polarity for the players. Even tho I know it does not make any difference. Your choice since characteristic synth sounds at 00:21:941 (5,6,7,8) - are much hearable for me, it's really intentional stack, which is expressing changed following instrument here. also about 00:22:487 (7,8) - , not changing instrument so keep it for now.

00:26:168 (4,5) - I think you can make the rhythm like this. Reason :
00:26:168 - You may want this to be clickable and it will emphasise the vocal better there isn't any quantized vocal here, is it? it's not vocal, just girls' chatting.

00:34:487 (4) - I'm wondering why you map on red tick. The sound is weak there and mapping on white tick would be more reasonable. 00:34:350 (3,4) - These can be 1/2 sliders following vocal. it's common pattern to skip drum sound imo. (also, I skipped some vocal rhythm but it has reason, which is that it could be too difficult as Hard diff if I follow vocal exactly on such a high BPM.)

00:35:578 (4) - Sound on the slider end is stronger and it doesn't match the concept of the slider. So if you want to map the instrument which I don't recommend you to because on that same measure you have been following the vocal 00:34:896 (1,2,3) -
So I think it's better to either
1) 00:35:578 (4) - Make this 1/1 slider, ends on red tick
2) Or just make one note here 00:35:714 -
change to 1/2 slider+circle there~

00:54:941 (3) - Why is this repeat slider? There is no sound on blue tick for me
00:55:282 - But here there is oops, you're right.

01:10:214 (3,4) - If you have been following the vocal in the kiai. I don't think these notes here suit what you are mapping to BUT!
01:09:668 (3,1) - This should be 1/1 slider because there is no sound to be clicked here 01:09:668 (3,1) -
01:10:078 (2) - And you NC this then people will know that you switch back to instrument
But in fast song like this hardly anyone notices lol following vocal at 01:09:668 (3,1) - so change 01:09:805 (1,2) - to 1/1 slider instead. then, it may be easier to notice that... NC pattern is keeping for now, taking same NC pattern is much needed here imo.

thank you~ your good mod makes me much consideration by very concrete opinions.

dark_assassin16 wrote:
I'm here from m4m queue.
[thzz's Hard]
00:09:805 (1) - Replace this circle with a 8 tick once repeating slider (1/4). give me reason lol although I considered your saying, I couldn't find any necessity. or is it just your preference?
00:11:987 (3) - ^ ^
00:14:168 (1) - Replace this with an 8 tick slider no repeating (1/4). ^
01:11:441 - Add a circle here to connect the rhythm there is characteristic drum pattern here imo. it should be a reasonable way because no sound rings at there.
01:17:305 (1) - The spacing seems weird here. okay
01:20:168 - Same at the one above the previous. same
01:30:532 (1) - Replace this circle with a 8 tick once repeating slider (1/4). reason plz
01:32:714 (3) - ^ ^
01:34:896 (1) - ^ But no repeat. ^

Done.

anyway, thanks your suggestions~

Sebu wrote:
Keep in mind everything I say is only suggestions.

thzz's Hard
to start off there is not much to comment on in this diff. looks clean. thnks :3
00:08:168 (2) - this feels like something a new player might misread, as it's hidden under the slider. should probably try to avoid this okay
01:40:896 (3) - ugly slider, could be easily blanketed with 01:41:441 (1) - indeed, made it better~
good luck with rank

thanks much!!

Garden wrote:
thzz's Hard
00:50:987 (6,1) - same spacing as 00:46:623 (6,1) - ? good for looks and consistency, okay
01:25:555 - 01:28:350 (1,2,3) - clap on the blue tick feels kinda abrupt here imo, maybe nerf the volume a bit or hitsound in another way? just a correct way considering the song.
01:40:896 (3,1) - can improve blanket a bit okay (second time to be mentioned lol)

thank you xd

~~http://puu.sh/rweVZ/1c83582d21.osu~~
http://puu.sh/rwfuU/dd76083ca4.osu

Little

2,509 posts

Joined November 2012

Little 2016-10-04T02:14:14+00:00

Sebu wrote:

Little's Extra
00:17:441 (1,5) - blanket k
00:21:941 (1,2,3,1,2) - making these stacked makes it difficult to not misread as triplets. should consider changing It's fine.
01:43:350 (4) - i dont hear any repeating 1/4's here. should just be a circle at both white and red tick, or kickslider on white and circle on red tick. 1/4 repeat slider feels better here.

Garden wrote:
Little's Extra
00:13:828 - 00:14:100 - 01:34:555 - 01:34:828 - 01:40:555 - 01:40:828 - soft sample as 00:11:441 (2,3,1) - ? ok
00:27:805 (3,4) - what about making 3 a slider since it might be misread as continuous 1/2 rhythm imo I prefer circle for brief pause here.

Thanks.

http://puu.sh/rwYDD/f975874018.zip

Lami

1,756 posts

Joined June 2011

Topic Starter

Lami 2016-10-04T17:02:07+00:00

Cellina wrote:
Hakone
00:18:259 (1) - 이거 솔직히 더 부드럽게 다듬을 수 있었을거같은데... 너무 어색했음
00:31:623 (1,3) - 스택에러
00:37:078 (1,2) - 얘네들 정도는 서클로 대체해도 될거같음맵 자체에 서클이 많아서 그런지 약한부분은 슬라로 채우고싶네요
00:40:623 (2) - ^
01:03:123 (3) - 뉴콤 어떰
01:23:714 (6,7,1,2) - 동선 좀 어색해보여요 저는 ㄱㅊ해보이는

늦어서 ㅈㅅ

Garden wrote:
General
convert ur cutebg to a .jpg file can save 1/3 of ur filesize! maybe i will change BG if i get good bg xd.
a silent sliderslide would sound good in some diffs with soft sample for the first part
Easy
im kinda confused about the rhythm at the very first part, what about starting ur diff here 00:05:441 - and delete previous objects?
wanna keep same start part ;w;
00:38:714 (2,3) - maybe consider this rhythm pattern instead to go with continuous 1/1 gap on timeline
Hakone
01:28:487 (1,2,3,1,2,3,1,2,3,1,2,1) - just sth as a player, getting those triplets closer make them a lot easier to play, and it doesnt even intefere with the star rating more than 0.05* well, i think it's enough easy, if consider 6.8 stars.
01:39:396 (1) - same

@dark_assassin16 : no fix, because they are finished by pretty strong drum.

@Sebu : 00:02:850 (5) - have sounds enough i think.

@sahuang : idk.. xd

Dailycare

Beatmap Nominator

1,071 posts

Joined May 2012

Dailycare 2016-10-04T23:20:18+00:00

Cellina wrote:
Dailycare's Extra
00:13:623 (1,2) - 이거 충분히 3/4슬라랑 1/2슬라로 헷갈릴 수 있음
01:34:350 (1,2,3) - ^ 내전그렇게생각하지안내요..
00:13:896 (2,3) - 상식적으로 너무 넓은거 아님?????????? 저가고쳤어요..
00:49:078 (1,2,1,2) - 님 이거 제가 몇백번이나 쳐봤는데 너무헷갈려요;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;; 니마요아이들은말이죠저가... 핶깔리라고 넛어보앋내요..

@garden
fixed all but I didn't fix all the symmetric jumps. Just adjusted only 01:26:987 (1,2) - and 01:28:078 (1,2) - to 1/2s

Thanks for mods!

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Kalibe

2,060 posts

Joined October 2013

Kalibe 2016-10-05T11:59:54+00:00

did some fixes:

- change samples to soft
- fixed most Sebu and chparkkim suggestions

thanks for mods!

osu file format v14

[General]
AudioFilename: Hakone Hakoiri Musume.mp3
AudioLeadIn: 0
PreviewTime: 72873
Countdown: 0
SampleSet: Normal
StackLeniency: 0.4
Mode: 0
LetterboxInBreaks: 0
WidescreenStoryboard: 1

[Editor]
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BeatDivisor: 4
GridSize: 4
TimelineZoom: 1.5

[Metadata]
Title:Hakone Hakoiri Musume
TitleUnicode:ハコネハコイリムスメ
Artist:petit milady
ArtistUnicode:petit milady
Creator:Lami
Version:Kalibe's Insane
Source:温泉幼精ハコネちゃん
Tags:Onsen Yousei Hakone-chan 悠木碧 Yuuki Aoi 竹達彩奈 Taketatsu Ayane eINess thzz Little cloudsplash16 kalibe Dailycare
BeatmapID:1081149
BeatmapSetID:374820

[Difficulty]
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ApproachRate:9
SliderMultiplier:1.55
SliderTickRate:1

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//Storyboard Layer 1 (Fail)
//Storyboard Layer 2 (Pass)
//Storyboard Layer 3 (Foreground)
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smallboat

1,687 posts

Joined January 2010

smallboat 2016-10-16T04:29:06+00:00

[Easy]
Nothing

[eINess' Normal]

01:19:896 (2) - Maybe this rhythm will be played better because it will follow all vocal imo :

SPOILER

[thzz's Hard]

01:20:441 (2) - Stack at 01:20:714 (1) - slider head?

01:29:305 (5) - Consider to change this rhythm imo (The same vocal part as 01:40:214 (5,6,1,2) - here)?

SPOILER

[Kalibe's Insane]

00:59:714 (1,2) - Cancel this new combo because I think this jump still readable imo
01:39:259 (1) - Maybe this note can move to (248|280) do a anit-jump pattern?

[Little's Extra]

01:03:668 (2,3) - Ctrl+g do a space beat seem good play for fun?
01:20:987 (1,1) - Cancel NC ? Has no heavy drum imo.

[Dailycare's Extra]

00:06:805 (1) - Remove NC? I think it not necessary do it. (Follow the big white line to do a new combo imo)

[Hakone]

Good flow. Nothing to say that.

Kalibe

2,060 posts

Joined October 2013

Kalibe 2016-10-16T13:07:28+00:00

smallboat wrote:
[Kalibe's Insane]

00:59:714 (1,2) - Cancel this new combo because I think this jump still readable imo ok
01:39:259 (1) - Maybe this note can move to (248|280) do a anit-jump pattern? Current one is also fine imo

thanks!

osu file format v14

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TitleUnicode:ハコネハコイリムスメ
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Little

2,509 posts

Joined November 2012

Little 2016-10-16T13:55:28+00:00

All fixed on my diff. Thanks!
http://puu.sh/rKU6p/5ef8a1421a.zip

thzz

579 posts

Joined May 2012

thzz 2016-10-16T14:58:50+00:00

smallboat wrote:
[thzz's Hard]

01:20:441 (2) - Stack at 01:20:714 (1) - slider head? really intentional symmetry pattern. there's same pattern at 01:10:896 (1,2) -

01:29:305 (5) - Consider to change this rhythm imo (The same vocal part as 01:40:214 (5,6,1,2) - here)? okay
SPOILER

thank you

http://puu.sh/rKWXE/edeb1c0ab5.osu

Ujimatsu Chiya

2,480 posts

Joined December 2013

Ujimatsu Chiya 2016-10-18T11:35:50+00:00

all fixed, thanks all

SPOILER

osu file format v14

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TitleUnicode:ハコネハコイリムスメ
Artist:petit milady
ArtistUnicode:petit milady
Creator:Lami
Version:eINess' Normal
Source:温泉幼精ハコネちゃん
Tags:Onsen Yousei Hakone-chan 悠木碧 Yuuki Aoi 竹達彩奈 Taketatsu Ayane eINess thzz Little cloudsplash16 kalibe Dailycare
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Lami

1,756 posts

Joined June 2011

Topic Starter

Lami 2016-10-18T11:50:26+00:00

Dailycare don't have enough time for now..
get permission

smallboat wrote:
[Dailycare's Extra]

00:06:805 (1) - Remove NC? I think it not necessary do it. (Follow the big white line to do a new combo imo)
this NC design seems like same usage with 00:05:441 (1,1,2,3) -
they (00:05:714 (1,2,3) - ) have regular parttening for now. keep fine imo.

thanks, smallboat :3

@ add tag my previous nickname x.x

Lasse

Beatmap Nominator

3,596 posts

Joined June 2011

Lasse 2016-10-28T16:39:37+00:00

hey
[general]
metadata: p/5489339 => fine
diffnames that are (part of) the song name trigger me _ -
I think renaming the two lowest diff to normal-advanced would be better
sure current normal is still mapped more like a normal, but it's quite fast and all so advanced gives players a better idea what to expect

[hakone]
00:13:623 (5,6) - how about making this a slider to fit the emphsized vocal better like 00:13:896 (7) - ?
00:14:168 (1) - feel this needs more emphasis cause it's a really strong sound, but low spacing after a slider, maybe move the whole 00:13:214 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7) - pattern down a bit so you get something like http://i.imgur.com/bd9Oeit.jpg ?
00:17:441 (1,2,3,4) - would fit vocal emphasis and hitsounding pattern better with nc on 00:17:714 -
00:18:259 (1) - shape just looks really messy to me lol
00:22:282 (3,4) - stack on sliderend kinda kills momentum and doesn't suit such an energetic part, how about something like http://i.imgur.com/ypm3ItJ.jpg or stack on 00:21:396 (4) - ?
00:28:896 (3) - skipping such audible 1/4 doesn't really feel fitting on a map of this difficulty : /
00:44:168 (3,4,5) - this felt awful to play for me, mainly because it's very linear with a slowdown, if you want to keep an angle like this, consider 00:44:305 (4) - to be played as a simple hitcircle and use even spacing, like http://i.imgur.com/2YI86QD.jpg or make a much more acute angle if you want to decrese spacing so much
00:46:214 (4,5) - 1/2 stack feels pretty random and uncalled for with how you spaced other things and the music being so energetic
01:03:805 (1) - should have different sv to make it stand out more as you put some emphasis on the tail here and it sounds way different from the others
01:12:532 (1,2,3,4) - this didn't play well at all because of the linear movement, but 01:12:668 (2,3,4) - slows it down so much. you could for example do sth like http://i.imgur.com/fGEP559.jpg curve/angle makes it much easier to snap
01:21:259 (1,2,3,4) - similar here but a bit nicer cause of the angle, though something more like http://i.imgur.com/H2IZXXV.jpg would be great
01:30:259 (1) - even with how energetic this part is/using sliders 1/4 gap is really unpredictable/huge here, reducing it a bit to not force so many "unfair" 100s due to missing sliderend here would be great. like stacking 01:30:259 (1) - on 01:29:714 (3) - and moving things a bit so you get http://i.imgur.com/Jnj72YP.jpg

even if this a bit more difficult than things I'm comfortable with playing wise, I don't see problems with pushing it forward. Both flow and rhythm are extremely simplistic anyways and the high-ish spacing fits the very energetic feeling the song gives well.

[dailycare]
01:10:078 (2,3,1) - similar issue here as 00:22:282 (3,4) - on highest diff. even something like 01:23:168 (2,3,4) - works better
01:37:078 (1,2,1,2,1,2,1,2) - 00:16:350 (1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4) - same thing in the song and your patterning is similar, so they should bot also be NC'd in the same way (both nc patterns work, but I think the 1-2-3-4 one is nicer to differentitate it from before)
interesting diff, nice

[little]
00:01:350 (2,3) - normal spacing instead would fit so much better since 00:01:487 (3) - is pretty important for the main melody. 00:02:578 (3,4) - works so much better
00:56:441 (4,2) - can_you_not.jpeg
01:04:078 (1) - different sv would be nice to make it stand out a bit
01:40:623 (2,3,4,1) - could really use more spacing than before cause since the switch from slider-circle to slider-slider 1/4 gaps makes it feel less intense to play, though the vocals are just as, or even more energetic. at least like 2.3x ds would be much better already

[kalibe]
00:09:532 (7) - how about not overlapping this? could really be more emphasized http://i.imgur.com/mQ3RvOj.jpg
00:11:987 (1) - same here, also doesn't fit with how high spacing for 00:11:441 (2,3) - is lol // also 01:32:168 (1,2,1) -
00:34:896 (1) - would reconsider this shape, mainly the left side, movement into and out of it are not that nice to play. no idea what kind of shape you would like, but things like http://i.imgur.com/N2sN5XR.jpg or http://i.imgur.com/b4wiV67.jpg etc. would work better
01:25:350 (2,3,4) - 01:23:168 (2,3,4) - represent the same thing in the song, so making them more similar would make sense
01:30:259 (4,1) - as 00:09:532 (7,1) - // + 01:34:623 (2,1) -

[thzz]
od 6 or at least 6.5 would fit the diff and the spread much better
00:08:850 (2,3,4,5) - 1/2 clicking rhythm could be reduced a bit here, seems too intense compared to other parts http://i.imgur.com/3zhyaeD.jpg
00:28:896 (5) - why not make this 1/4 to fit the music better? http://i.imgur.com/2CHyBFv.jpg
00:54:941 (3,4,5,6) - check this with enabled stacking http://i.imgur.com/Sza46dq.jpg just manually move it 8x8 pixels right/down with ctrl+arrow keys so you get http://i.imgur.com/9d3kxLT.jpg // 01:29:032 (4,5,6,1) - 01:41:987 (2,3,4,5) - same here
01:18:532 (3,4,5,6) - can be slightly misleading pattern at this ar, I suggest you ctrl 01:19:078 (4,5) - as that also fits the movement from before better

[einess]
nice

[easy]
00:52:350 (2,3,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,1,2,3) - could really use a 2/1 gap somewhere, feels way too intense right now. maybe delete 00:55:350 (4,4) - ?
00:59:987 (1,1) - really low recovery time deleting 01:03:123 (1) - would work better
01:36:532 (4,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,1) - similar to first point, feels way too dense right now

let me know when everything is updated!

Little

2,509 posts

Joined November 2012

Little 2016-10-29T01:10:42+00:00

Lasse wrote:
[little]
00:01:350 (2,3) - normal spacing instead would fit so much better since 00:01:487 (3) - is pretty important for the main melody. No, the stack definitely works better for me. 00:02:578 (3,4) - works so much better Not the same.
00:56:441 (4,2) - can_you_not.jpeg Sure, adjusted placement a bit.
01:04:078 (1) - different sv would be nice to make it stand out a bit Oops, fixed it.
01:40:623 (2,3,4,1) - could really use more spacing than before cause since the switch from slider-circle to slider-slider 1/4 gaps makes it feel less intense to play, though the vocals are just as, or even more energetic. at least like 2.3x ds would be much better already Sure, adjusted the distance spacing a bit.

http://puu.sh/rZ6b1/200c52fe74.zip

thzz

579 posts

Joined May 2012

thzz 2016-10-29T03:02:41+00:00

Lasse wrote:
[thzz]
od 6 or at least 6.5 would fit the diff and the spread much better nerf to 6.5
00:08:850 (2,3,4,5) - 1/2 clicking rhythm could be reduced a bit here, seems too intense compared to other parts http://i.imgur.com/3zhyaeD.jpg okay
00:28:896 (5) - why not make this 1/4 to fit the music better? http://i.imgur.com/2CHyBFv.jpg really good :3
00:54:941 (3,4,5,6) - check this with enabled stacking http://i.imgur.com/Sza46dq.jpg just manually move it 8x8 pixels right/down with ctrl+arrow keys so you get http://i.imgur.com/9d3kxLT.jpg // 01:29:032 (4,5,6,1) - 01:41:987 (2,3,4,5) - same here i know this because i always enabled stacking. if i take more distance, it may look weird when played in HR. then, i couldn't find another way.
01:18:532 (3,4,5,6) - can be slightly misleading pattern at this ar, I suggest you ctrl 01:19:078 (4,5) - as that also fits the movement from before better okay

thanks

http://puu.sh/rZbD9/77e828c712.osu

Dailycare

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1,071 posts

Joined May 2012

Dailycare 2016-10-29T05:42:19+00:00

Lasse wrote:
[dailycare]
01:10:078 (2,3,1) - similar issue here as 00:22:282 (3,4) - on highest diff. even something like 01:23:168 (2,3,4) - works better I think stacking notes on the end still good enough though your suggestion works well. Because 01:09:805 (1,2) - are just symmetrical.
01:37:078 (1,2,1,2,1,2,1,2) - 00:16:350 (1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4) - same thing in the song and your patterning is similar, so they should bot also be NC'd in the same way (both nc patterns work, but I think the 1-2-3-4 one is nicer to differentitate it from before) The 1-2-1-2 NC setting is just a mistake ;
interesting diff, nice thanks xD

Thank you for mod!

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Lami

1,756 posts

Joined June 2011

Topic Starter

Lami 2016-10-30T12:50:54+00:00

Lasse wrote:
hey

[general]
metadata: p/5489339 => fine
diffnames that are (part of) the song name trigger me _ -
I think renaming the two lowest diff to normal-advanced would be better
sure current normal is still mapped more like a normal, but it's quite fast and all so advanced gives players a better idea what to expect fix

[hakone]
00:13:623 (5,6) - how about making this a slider to fit the emphsized vocal better like 00:13:896 (7) - ?
based on express drum, 00:13:759 (6) - have drum, but 00:14:032 - not here.
00:14:168 (1) - feel this needs more emphasis cause it's a really strong sound, but low spacing after a slider, maybe move the whole 00:13:214 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7) - pattern down a bit so you get something like http://i.imgur.com/bd9Oeit.jpg ? ok
00:17:441 (1,2,3,4) - would fit vocal emphasis and hitsounding pattern better with nc on 00:17:714 -
00:17:714 (3) - add nc, hitsound parttening have enough emphasis i think, since there are two finish.
00:18:259 (1) - shape just looks really messy to me lol
fix to more symmertical slider
00:22:282 (3,4) - stack on sliderend kinda kills momentum and doesn't suit such an energetic part, how about something like http://i.imgur.com/ypm3ItJ.jpg or stack on 00:21:396 (4) - ? k
00:28:896 (3) - skipping such audible 1/4 doesn't really feel fitting on a map of this difficulty : / hm, try to something
00:44:168 (3,4,5) - this felt awful to play for me, mainly because it's very linear with a slowdown, if you want to keep an angle like this, consider 00:44:305 (4) - to be played as a simple hitcircle and use even spacing, like http://i.imgur.com/2YI86QD.jpg or make a much more acute angle if you want to decrese spacing so much try to triplet, suppose it's better way
00:46:214 (4,5) - 1/2 stack feels pretty random and uncalled for with how you spaced other things and the music being so energetic reparttening
01:03:805 (1) - should have different sv to make it stand out more as you put some emphasis on the tail here and it sounds way different from the others
i think special shape enough design for express music. by kinda continous vocal. since vocal is short, not prefer to sv changing for that.
01:12:532 (1,2,3,4) - this didn't play well at all because of the linear movement, but 01:12:668 (2,3,4) - slows it down so much. you could for example do sth like http://i.imgur.com/fGEP559.jpg curve/angle makes it much easier to snap fix
01:21:259 (1,2,3,4) - similar here but a bit nicer cause of the angle, though something more like http://i.imgur.com/H2IZXXV.jpg would be great k
01:30:259 (1) - even with how energetic this part is/using sliders 1/4 gap is really unpredictable/huge here, reducing it a bit to not force so many "unfair" 100s due to missing sliderend here would be great. like stacking 01:30:259 (1) - on 01:29:714 (3) - and moving things a bit so you get i prefer comfortable partten too, so done.http://i.imgur.com/Jnj72YP.jpg

even if this a bit more difficult than things I'm comfortable with playing wise, I don't see problems with pushing it forward. Both flow and rhythm are extremely simplistic anyways and the high-ish spacing fits the very energetic feeling the song gives well. try to increase 0.1 star rating.owo

[easy]
00:52:350 (2,3,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,1,2,3) - could really use a 2/1 gap somewhere, feels way too intense right now. maybe delete 00:55:350 (4,4) - ? removed
00:59:987 (1,1) - really low recovery time deleting 01:03:123 (1) - would work better k
01:36:532 (4,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,1) - similar to first point, feels way too dense right now i think it's fine, since there is some 2/1 slider here which help break clicking for beginner.

let me know when everything is updated!

thanks for mod :3

Kalibe

2,060 posts

Joined October 2013

Kalibe 2016-10-30T19:25:46+00:00

fixed everything, hope in a good way :d

osu file format v14

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AudioLeadIn: 0
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Countdown: 0
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LetterboxInBreaks: 0
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[Editor]
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GridSize: 4
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Title:Hakone Hakoiri Musume
TitleUnicode:ハコネハコイリムスメ
Artist:petit milady
ArtistUnicode:petit milady
Creator:Lami
Version:Kalibe's Insane
Source:温泉幼精ハコネちゃん
Tags:Onsen Yousei Hakone-chan 悠木碧 Yuuki Aoi 竹達彩奈 Taketatsu Ayane eINess thzz Little cloudsplash16 kalibe Dailycare intoon
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363,235,100623,2,0,P|361:272|353:328,1,77.5,12|0,0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
240,364,100896,2,0,L|240:276,1,77.5,4|0,0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
239,87,101168,1,12,0:0:0:0:
239,87,101441,6,0,P|285:144|364:144,1,155,8|4,0:0|0:2,0:0:0:0:
361,144,101987,1,8,0:0:0:0:
288,264,102123,1,0,0:0:0:0:
288,264,102191,1,0,0:0:0:0:
288,264,102259,2,0,L|276:176,2,77.5,0|8|8,0:0|3:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
408,224,102668,1,0,0:0:0:0:
272,160,102805,6,0,P|232:148|192:144,1,77.5,8|0,0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
16,204,103078,1,8,0:0:0:0:
16,204,103146,1,0,0:0:0:0:
16,204,103214,1,0,0:0:0:0:
120,154,103350,2,0,P|156:146|220:146,1,77.5,8|8,0:0|3:0,0:0:0:0:
404,184,103623,5,10,0:0:0:0:
404,184,104032,2,0,B|332:152|256:200|256:200|312:272|260:344,1,302.249986164094,10|12,0:0|1:0,3:0:0:0:
256,192,104509,12,0,105532,2:0:0:0:

Lasse

Beatmap Nominator

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Lasse 2016-10-30T21:45:05+00:00

thzz wrote:
[thzz]
00:54:941 (3,4,5,6) - check this with enabled stacking http://i.imgur.com/Sza46dq.jpg just manually move it 8x8 pixels right/down with ctrl+arrow keys so you get http://i.imgur.com/9d3kxLT.jpg // 01:29:032 (4,5,6,1) - 01:41:987 (2,3,4,5) - same here i know this because i always enabled stacking. if i take more distance, it may look weird when played in HR. then, i couldn't find another way.

doesn't change the fact that it looks really bad nomod and not making something look bad nomod when it can be easily fixed by moving things a few pixels seems really unreasonable.
also if you fix it by moving 8x8 pixels it looks perfect nomod and still fine with hr because spacing might be a bit uneven, but at least there are not these really ugly small overlaps like on nomod right now + ar10 makes it much less noticeable
(also mapping for nomod makes way more sense than for certain mods, so that should always take priority)

everything else looks fine now

thzz

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thzz 2016-10-30T22:15:06+00:00

@Lasse
all right. i fixed them~
thanks explanation!

@Lami
sorry, update plz orz
http://puu.sh/s14yU/d3aa98a2bc.osu

Lami

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Topic Starter

Lami 2016-10-31T02:23:51+00:00

done o o

Lasse

Beatmap Nominator

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Lasse 2016-10-31T10:35:11+00:00

fine now

Lami

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Lami 2016-10-31T10:50:39+00:00

thanks :3

I Must Decrease

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I Must Decrease 2016-10-31T23:26:12+00:00

Hello! I have some concerns regarding this mapset's top difficulty!

obligatory i can pass this map so i am justified in my statements xddd

[Aesthetics]
I feel that this map lacks serious quality in terms of structure and design. Generally speaking, lots of notes and sliders appear with seemingly random positioning and spacing. This can definitely be improved. ~~Things like 00:37:078 (1,2) - be two different slider shapes when you're following vocals for both doesn't really make sense.~~ < Not really important point, it can be improved but is not necessary.

[Rhythms]
My overall largest complaint with this map is the nonsensical logic that is being applied to this song's rhythms. While I understand that there is a lot going on and it can be difficult to justify every note, a large portion of rhythms do not make sense or are just plain random.

Some examples:

00:03:123 - is ignored to apply a pause after the end of the drum on 00:02:987 (6) - Yet, for some reason 00:03:259 (1) - exists when it doesn't have that drum you were just following. I understand that 00:01:078 (1) - is mapped so why shouldn't 00:03:259 (1) be as well, but the problem is that the drums didn't exist when 00:01:078 (1) - was mapped. Given that you exclusively follow the drums after 1, you should remove the second 1 as its not what you're following anymore.
00:05:305 (7) - why are we mapping this beat now when we weren't before?
00:18:532 (1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,5,6,1,2,3,4,5,6,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,5,6,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,5,6,7) - what is this section even following? Why are some notes sliders and some notes circles? I cannot discern any reasoning for your rhythms. its like you're trying to follow the vocals at some points and then flat out ignore it at others, it doesn't make sense. It's also extremely intense for no reason, but that's another section of concern.
00:29:441 (1,2,3,4,5,6) - why are the first two sliders?
00:31:623 (1,2,3,4,5) - what are we following?
00:33:532 - i get you're focusing vocal emphasis but why is this not clickable while 00:33:668 (4) - is? just remove 4 and make an anti jump or something
00:33:805 (1,2,3,4,5,6) - why this rhythm?
00:35:987 (1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,5) - again, weird choices, you follow vocals with your 1/1 usage, but then strangely undermap and overmap. 00:37:078 (1,2) - is very strong 1/2 beats, yet 1/2. It's fine but weird. 00:38:714 (4,5) - on the other hand just makes no sense. You're strongly following vocals and you make 4 as a slider and 5 to be a clickable snare?

etc.

[Spacing]
This goes mostly along with the rhythm choices, but spacing is equality chaotic. Turn off your sound and randomly go to a part in the map. Can you tell what part of your map it is based solely on how its mapped? No, because everything feels the same and nothing really stands out. Yes you map hard parts with cross screen jumps and they're recognizable, but generally speaking there's nothing that gives off any sense of uniqueness to any section, it all just feels like a mess of the exact same jumps being repeated with slight variances in spacing depending on whether or not its a kiai time. I understand there is the concern that you don't want to make a really easy map compared to the spiked parts, but there are definitely more ways to do this than how it is done here.

Sections like 00:27:259 (1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,1,2,3,4,5,6,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,5,1,2,3,1,2,3,4,5,6) - could be so interesting and identifiable if they were slow and had spacing and rhythmic choices that better support the music.

I recommend taking the time to really think about what the music is trying to convey and how the player can experience that, rather than pasting the same patterns in a bland map that doesn't do anything but inflate people's ranks.

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Shiirn

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Shiirn 2016-11-01T05:05:37+00:00

Lami wrote:
lol, where is respecting to mapper and BN who gave bubble

Earn respect, then demand it.

"Hakone" is completely inexcusably mapped with zero musical relevance whatsoever. It literally makes up drum rhythms for large chunks of the song to fill in the time between vocal lines. These would be opportune moments to have weaker spacing and patterns, but instead the same spacing and patterns as the rest of the map are shoved in them.

The entire map is made with a nearly singular style of spacing, which doesn't even fit the song. It feels like a robot made it, not a human being.

Kibbleru

osu! Alumni

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Kibbleru 2016-11-01T05:28:36+00:00

Shiirn wrote:
Lami wrote:
lol, where is respecting to mapper and BN who gave bubble
Earn respect, then demand it.

"Hakone" is completely inexcusably mapped with zero musical relevance whatsoever. It literally makes up drum rhythms for large chunks of the song to fill in the time between vocal lines. These would be opportune moments to have weaker spacing and patterns, but instead the same spacing and patterns as the rest of the map are shoved in them.

The entire map is made with a nearly singular style of spacing, which doesn't even fit the song. It feels like a robot made it, not a human being.

Pyroflayer, you have repeatedly shown to have no idea what you're talkign about within the mapping community, so maybe sit back and watch for once instead of interjecting with inept outcries. "etc" means more examples are presentable, he's got a decent enough amount already.

did you look over the mod tho? js :S
the song itself doesn't vary very much in general so i don't see whats wrong with it, also although its not very clear, the map does get more intense when the music calls for it.

also tell me where the drum rhythms are 'made up?' because i'm assuming you're talking about 00:18:532 - and i definitely hear a drum rhythm in the music, why wouldn't he map the drum when the vocals are messy and unsnapped?

pls dont reply to this post btw, just stating my honest opinions here, don't want to get caught into drama :S

Shiro

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Shiro 2016-11-01T06:54:02+00:00

Okay, I've removed basically all recent posts because they're not constructive at all and are just fueling drama.
EDIT: forgot one, woops

@Lami give a proper reply to the mod. Your map won't get any further until you do anyway.
@everyone if you're not going to contribute constructively to the discussion, don't post. Accusing someone of being a shit BN or shitmapper or of not knowing what they're talking about isn't helping.

Lami

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Lami 2016-11-01T09:29:36+00:00

Xexxar wrote:
Hello! I have some concerns regarding this mapset's top difficulty!

obligatory i can pass this map so i am justified in my statements xddd

[Aesthetics]
I feel that this map lacks serious quality in terms of structure and design.
Generally speaking, lots of notes and sliders appear with seemingly random positioning and spacing.
This can definitely be improved.from some discussion, i get some opinion it's fine
~~Things like 00:37:078 (1,2) - be two different slider shapes when you're following vocals for both doesn't really make sense.~~
< Not really important point, it can be improved but is not necessary.

[Rhythms]
My overall largest complaint with this map is the nonsensical logic that is being applied to this song's rhythms.
While I understand that there is a lot going on and it can be difficult to justify every note,
a large portion of rhythms do not make sense or are just plain random.

Some examples:
00:03:123 - is ignored to apply a pause after the end of the drum
on 00:02:987 (6) - Yet, for some reason 00:03:259 (1) - exists when it doesn't have that drum
you were just following. I understand that 00:01:078 (1) - is mapped so why shouldn't 00:03:259 (1) be as well,
but the problem is that the drums didn't exist when 00:01:078 (1) - was mapped.
Given that you exclusively follow the drums after 1,
you should remove the second 1 as its not what you're following anymore.
nah, it's not drum. i followed more major sound in here, also some circle 00:01:350 (2,4) - add for continous flow playing. because it's higheset diff, if i follow drum in here, it don't make sense why i skip 00:01:623 - .
00:05:305 (7) - why are we mapping this beat now when we weren't before?
[color=#FF0040]same above 00:04:896 (4,6) - same sound = continous, 00:02:714 (4,6) - have different sound = break.
try other thing for different sound.
00:18:532 (1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,5,6,1,2,3,4,5,6,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,5,6,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,5,6,7) - what is this section even following?
Why are some notes sliders and some notes circles? I cannot discern any reasoning for your rhythms.
its like you're trying to follow the vocals at some points and then flat out ignore it at others,
it doesn't make sense. It's also extremely intense for no reason, but that's another section of concern.
plz more listen carefully, electorc sound(?) some heard.
00:29:441 (1,2,3,4,5,6) - why are the first two sliders?
changed
00:31:623 (1,2,3,4,5) - what are we following?
changed circle
00:33:532 - i get you're focusing vocal emphasis but why is this not clickable while 00:33:668 (4) - is?
just remove 4 and make an anti jump or something
fine as vocal line
00:33:805 (1,2,3,4,5,6) - why this rhythm?
? anyone didnt say it's incorrect..
00:35:987 (1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,5) - again, weird choices, you follow vocals with your 1/1 usage,
but then strangely undermap and overmap. 00:37:078 (1,2) - is very strong 1/2 beats,
yet 1/2. It's fine but weird. 00:38:714 (4,5) - on the other hand just makes no sense.
You're strongly following vocals and you make 4 as a slider and 5 to be a clickable snare?
adjust
etc

[Spacing]
This goes mostly along with the rhythm choices, but spacing is equality chaotic.
Turn off your sound and randomly go to a part in the map. Can you tell what part of your map it is based solely on how its mapped?
No, because everything feels the same and nothing really stands out.
Yes you map hard parts with cross screen jumps and they're recognizable,
but generally speaking there's nothing that gives off any sense of uniqueness to any section,
it all just feels like a mess of the exact same jumps being repeated with slight variances in spacing
depending on whether or not its a kiai time. I understand there is the concern
that you don't want to make a really easy map compared to the spiked parts,
but there are definitely more ways to do this than how it is done here.

Sections like 00:27:259 (1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,1,2,3,4,5,6,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,5,1,2,3,1,2,3,4,5,6) - could be so interesting and identifiable if they were slow and had spacing and rhythmic choices that better support the music.
remapped

I recommend taking the time to really think about what the music is trying to convey and how the player can experience that, rather than pasting the same patterns in a bland map that doesn't do anything but inflate people's ranks.i already get many opinion + modding until now. btw, your modding is so 'subjective', BN aren't people who is forced personal taste. please think why QAT can't DQ directly by their's own opinion.

ok, i do some rework overall thing, hopefully it's okay for now.

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Sonnyc

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Sonnyc 2016-11-01T09:40:10+00:00

좀 더 명확히 하자면, Xexxar는 BN의 권한으로 주관적 퀄리티에 대한 이유로 이 맵에 "거부권"을 행사한 것이며 이는 BN의 역할 중 하나로 보장되어있습니다.

거부권을 행사한 BN과 반드시 일정한 합의점에 도달하실 필요는 없습니다. 해당 비트맵의 현재 디자인에 동의할 수 있는 (기존에 버블을 준 Lasse를 제외한) BN 2명의 동의를 추가로 받아낼 수 있다면 퀄파로 갈 수 있습니다. 가능하면 이 맵에 동의하지 않는 븡과의 일정 수준 합의점을 도출해내는 것이 권장되긴 하지만요.

Lami

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Topic Starter

Lami 2016-11-01T09:44:41+00:00

쟤가 다른맵에서 하는것들을보면 아마 합의는 될거같지않고

저거 동의하는 사람은 주변에는 없던데 그런걸 막 고치는것도 맘에안들고... 시간이 좀필요한듯;

I Must Decrease

908 posts

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I Must Decrease 2016-11-01T17:09:21+00:00

Well if you decide to stop being conceited and are willing to work to improve your map with me, you can call me back and I will reconsider your map. Until then Lasse will be unable to bubble this map based on the new rule.

Lami

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Lami 2016-11-01T17:26:34+00:00

Xexxar wrote:
Well if you decide to stop being conceited and are willing to work to improve your map with me, you can call me back and I will reconsider your map. Until then Lasse will be unable to bubble this map based on the new rule.

i just worried my plan, whether i find new 2 BN or just follow your opinion.

i don't mind to improve my map, but im not sure that your modding have enough vaild thing for improve map.
because i ask opinion some people, but many people don't agree with you.

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