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Drezi

Tess wrote:

It was.
But I just don't get it. That's what I thought but it doesn't make sense to say, coming after Navi's post, like at all.

It looks like what was meant to be a townie reaction to the kill and you just decided to post it anyway after you realized you're not actually dead.
Nyxa
I actually originally thought Navizel had posted the prod without checking your post first, and was expecting him to post my death anytime soon. I wanted to say what I could before that happened.
Drezi
07-21 07:18 UTC

Navizel wrote:

rEdo has been prodded.
07-21 07:46 UTC

Tess wrote:

Ha, alright. Goes to show that once people become suspicious of someone they'll find every excuse to fuel their suspicions rather than examining things closely and paying attention to what matters.

A friendly reminder that this whole thing was born from nothing but me not saying much, and was fueled by suspicions based as much on hunches as mine were.

Tess wrote:

I actually originally thought Navizel had posted the prod without checking your post first, and was expecting him to post my death anytime soon. I wanted to say what I could before that happened.
I think you're scum.
Nyxa
I know you do. I have no way to prove that I posted right after I read the post, so

@Mod: Can a prod be requested in PM to the mod as well?
Nyxa
Depending on the answer, you're town, or scum. And if you're scum, then farto is town.
Drezi

Tess wrote:

I have no way to prove that I posted right after I read the post
It doesn't matter Navi's post said "POSTED HALF AN HOUR AGO".
Nyxa
That doesn't exempt Navizel from having a reason to post about my death later? People also have lives beside this, you know.
Drezi

Tess wrote:

Depending on the answer, you're town, or scum.
How so?
Nyxa
Because it'd be a pretty smart move to PM your prod request to Navizel right after posting that fake kill. It makes you look town, while at the same time preventing me from confirming I'm town, by an accident on the mod's behalf. As you posted yourself, that prod was too early, but not too early to prevent a prod request. A few minutes shouldn't matter.

But, judging by that timing, the fact that you could've fakekilled me much sooner to get that information out of me (there were far better reasons to do that before rEdo got prodded), it's not very weird to think you may have been waiting for the right opportunity to pull such a move. Which would be a brilliant move as scum. If you already know I'm town, you wouldn't pull a move such as fakekilling me right after learning my role, because my reaction to that would obviously be town, which would benefit town but not scum. On the other hand, if a mod post happens not long after your post that doesn't include my death, then yeah, I pretty much lose all opportunity to definitively prove I'm town, and you appear to be a townie who was legit trying to figure out someone's alignment.

The only reason I'm not certain of this is because of the 45 minute gap between your kill post and Navizel's prod, but that's still enough time for him to have read your prod request in pm and posted about it when it was the right time. It would've been risky, but not devastatingly so. The only thing that would've happened if I posted before Navizel's prod would be that people would've known my alignment. Which isn't a big deal - you could find someone else to lynch and then nightkill me (if you really wanted to get rid of me) instead.

I know it may seem a bit far fetched but it looks like an allround good move to make, scum or town, so I want to see if it's possible to anonymously request a prod in pm to the mod. If so, then I'm fairly certain this was a move on your part (because it means that Navizel indeed didn't prod rEdo on his own, it seems kinda odd to me that he'd post the prod so soon out of his own accord. It's more like someone was waiting for that prod - not entirely impossible that Navizel was waiting, but it seems more unlikely to me than someone else waiting for a reason), and you'll get right up there on my list along with SNB. If not, then you're most certainly town trying to figure out my alignment.

Anyone making an obvtown move should be doublechecked for their motives imo. And I think this is a pretty good way of checking it without consulting the person in question.
Topic Starter
Navizel
????????

There's no death scene to be posted
Nyxa
@Mod: Can a prod be requested in PM, anonymously?
Topic Starter
Navizel

Tess wrote:

@Mod: Can a prod be requested in PM to the mod as well?
You can.
Drezi

Tess wrote:

Also I agree that Navizel could've waited a bit.

Tess wrote:

at the same time preventing me from confirming I'm town, by an accident on the mod's behalf.

The only thing that would've happened if I posted before Navizel's prod would be that people would've known my alignment.
I think you're just mad that you didn't realize it was a fakekill before Navi's post and missed the chance to act town.

But a towny reaction most certainly would not have proven your alignment, as it can be easily faked too, so this whole scenario of me requesting a prod to prevent that is just silly. Navi can confirm I had not requested a prod anyway.
Nyxa

Navizel wrote:

Tess wrote:

@Mod: Can a prod be requested in PM to the mod as well?
You can.
Vote: Drezi

Drezi wrote:

I think you're just mad that you didn't realize it was a fakekill before Navi's post and missed the chance to act town.

But a towny reaction most certainly would not have proven your alignment, as it can be easily faked too, so this whole scenario of me requesting a prod to prevent that is just silly. Navi can confirm I had not requested a prod anyway.
Not really, if it could that easily be faked you wouldn't have had a reason to pull that move as town. You know I'm inexperienced, you know I would've assumed I were dead. This is just you trying to escape looking scum. It most certainly would have confirmed my alignment, if I were scum I would've admitted it right there and you know it.

You're scum.
Drezi
If you gave in, it would've confirmed you as scum yes. If you acted towny it wouldn't have made you a conftown, we would've analyzed the reaction to determine if it's genuine or not. Anyone can tell you that.

@mod: please confirm I have not requested a prod, lol.
fartownik
Okay that's it.

[b]Vote: Tess[b]
fartownik
Goddamn it phone
Nyxa
Please explain why you didn't pull that move before voting me if you didn't do it solely to look towny.
fartownik
Vote: Tess
Nyxa
farto, might you explain why?

Also,

@Mod: Can we get a votecount?
Topic Starter
Navizel

Votecount 1.11
fartownik -
Drezi -
Tess (5) - Frostings, Zexion, Drezi, Amianki, fartownik L-2
Irreversible -
-[Jess]- -
rEdo (1) - - Magic Bomb -
Ace Timing (1) - -[Jess]-
Zexion -
- Magic Bomb - -
Frostings -
Amianki -
Static Noise Bird (1) - rEdo

Not Voting: Tess, Ace Timing, Static Noise Bird, Irreversible

With 12 players alive, it takes 7 votes to lynch.

Deadline will be on July 25 8:30PM GMT -5. This is 4 days from now.

Let me know if I made any mistakes.
fartownik
I just saw Drezi's move as a purely Town one, voting him for that is extremely far-fetched and you use that to drag the atyention away from yourself . Not to mention Drezi has pointed ot how your posts after that fakekill don't really make sense. I'm just fed up with this and the time has finally come to lynch you.

Also Navizel, please do the votecounts more frequently, even if there were no new votes added. Its a pain to dig through walls of text looking for the latest votecount, especially on mobile.
-[Jess]-
@Mod my vote is on another game.i don't vote in this game
-[Jess]-
*didn't vote in this game yet
Topic Starter
Navizel

-[Jess]- wrote:

@Mod my vote is on another game.i don't vote in this game

-[Jess]- wrote:

*didn't vote in this game yet
Your latest vote is on Sniverre235/Ace Timing. Check your ISO.
fartownik
FailFish

Also it seems like it is intending to use its doublevote on Tess, which would be supereffective!
MBomb

-[Jess]- wrote:

@Mod my vote is on another game.i don't vote in this game
You voted Sniverre when he was still here.
Birdy
Guess it would be a good time to move my vote back onto Tess now that we're at L-2 already. I don't want to be left out of the wagon I so eagerly pushed in the beginning :cry:

Vote: Tess
-[Jess]-
unvote
Vote:Tess, Vote:Tess

ok...?
Topic Starter
Navizel
hi
MBomb
L+1 welp double rip, my gut was telling me not to vote Tess, but I guess it didn't matter. Tess, were you scum?
Drezi
WHAT THE FUCK
Nyxa
Oh perfect, I was gonna give a long list of reads but then this happened. Welp.
Nyxa
I'm town, by the way.
Drezi

fartownik wrote:

FailFish

Also it seems like it is intending to use its doublevote on Tess, which would be supereffective!
You push for a quickhammer to end discussion early, reallly?
Nyxa
I guess I'll post what I had and not explain the rest
Drezi
SNB vote stinks with how he felt the need to point it it he was pushing it from the beginning.
Topic Starter
Navizel
*commencing death scene*

DAY 1 FINAL VOTECOUNT
fartownik -
Drezi -
Tess (8) - Frostings, Zexion, Drezi, Amianki, fartownik, Static Noise Bird, -[Jess]-, -[Jess]- LYNCH
Irreversible -
-[Jess]- -
rEdo (1) - - Magic Bomb -
Ace Timing -
Zexion -
- Magic Bomb - -
Frostings -
Amianki -
Static Noise Bird (1) - rEdo

Not Voting: Tess, Ace Timing, Irreversible
MBomb

Tess wrote:

I guess I'll post what I had and not explain the rest
Ugh, this is annoying, but hopefully what you can post will help, wasn't expecting a hammer so quickly.
Nyxa
farto, I honestly understand your reasoning, I originally saw Drezi's move as purely town as well.

@Mod: You forgot votecount 1.9 in the OP.

So, I think this game is headed in a stupid direction and I'm pretty done with defending my case. My reads right now are the following:

Scum is in red.
Nullscum is dark red.
Null is in purple.
Nulltown is in magenta.
Town is in green.
People to remain wary of are in orange. These are people that I'd rate as null/nulltown but that still should be paid attention to.

Drezi - That fake kill was the limit for me. If he were town, he would've had reason to do that much sooner. I know he's not stupid and he would've known that I would've pretty much assumed I was dead the second I read that pot. Mod hasn't confirmed that he didn't request rEdo's prod yet, so, I'll keep assuming he did. That, and many other things, make me believe he's scum who's just doing a good job at hiding it. The fact that nothing seemed out of the ordinary for me right from the start, and that all the attention shifted to me that easily, makes me think my ideas weren't that off. Whoever's playing scum is doing it quite well - and I'm quite sure Drezi's one of the people on this list. <-- Note: This thought is less important to me now that I saw his reaction to farto pushing for a quickhammer. It's a fucking good point.

SNB - His extreme aggressiveness on me, his constant attempts to try to scumpaint me and then denying it when asked about by others, the fact he acted unnecessarily unbothered by the wagon on him at the start, and many more things he said just don't smell right to me. He's been suspicious from the start and I have far fewer reasons to believe he's town than to believe he's scum.

Jess - She's been acting a bit weird from the start, but I just assumed that that was inexperience. However, her recent "50/50" post, and unwillingness to make a doublevote (as well as how she behaved in regards to her being questioned about her role)

fartownik - No time to explain, just look at his aggressiveness and defense of SNB though.

Amianki

Ace Timing

Irreversible

Magic Bomb

rEdo


I intended on voting myself at the end of this post, how ironic.
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