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Jerry
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TKS
Σ(゚Д゚)!! thanks for the star!
qoot8123
hi:3 via forum pm

[ Kantan]

  1. 00:39:834 (36,37) - I think you can try d k d here ,this part is a bit different with former part.
  2. 01:28:661 (35,36,37,38) - how about remove these two don's finish and add k on 01:29:902 - ,because the instrument's power on 01:28:661 (35,36) - is not as powerful as 01:30:316 (37,38) -

[ Futsuu]

  1. 00:23:902 - add note here? to make a consistency with 00:29:902 (66,67,68,69,70) -
  2. 01:38:385 - ^
[ Muzukashii]

  1. 01:21:006 (313,314,315,316,317,318,319,320) - how about this, it is more fit the song, also more consistent with former and latter part
  2. 01:27:627 (356,357,358,359,360,361,362,363) - ^, try this
  3. 01:31:971 - ~ 01:45:109 - try to make some 2/1 break as you mapped on first part

[ Oni]

  1. 01:30:730 (514,515,516,517,518,519,520,521,522,523,524,525,526) - i found that instrument's tone is not same as first part, so I suggest you change this pattern like this would be better for the instrument
Inner is no problem. call me back :)
Topic Starter
TKS

qoot8123 wrote:

hi:3 via forum pm

[ Kantan]

  1. 00:39:834 (36,37) - I think you can try d k d here ,this part is a bit different with former part. - current pattern is fine as it is.
  2. 01:28:661 (35,36,37,38) - how about remove these two don's finish and add k on 01:29:902 - ,because the instrument's power on 01:28:661 (35,36) - is not as powerful as 01:30:316 (37,38) - - 01:29:902 - added d instead because d can be emphasized K imo :3

[ Futsuu]

  1. 00:23:902 - add note here? to make a consistency with 00:29:902 (66,67,68,69,70) -
  2. 01:38:385 - ^ - fixed and changed them to ddkkD.
[ Muzukashii]

  1. 01:21:006 (313,314,315,316,317,318,319,320) - how about this, it is more fit the song, also more consistent with former and latter part
  2. 01:27:627 (356,357,358,359,360,361,362,363) - ^, try this - they sound good for me.
  3. 01:31:971 - ~ 01:45:109 - try to make some 2/1 break as you mapped on first part - why did it, fixed.

[ Oni]

  1. 01:30:730 (514,515,516,517,518,519,520,521,522,523,524,525,526) - i found that instrument's tone is not same as first part, so I suggest you change this pattern like this would be better for the instrument - some fixed because i wanted to keep consistency with 00:43:144 -
Inner is no problem. call me back :)
thanks!!!!!!!!!!! :oops: :oops: :oops:

+deleted unnecessary space in source.
qoot8123
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TKS
thanks! ₍₍ ◝('ω'◝) ⁾⁾ ₍₍ (◟'ω')◟ ⁾⁾
DakeDekaane
TKS-senpai what's this BG? (/w\)

[ Kantan]
01:21:627 (23) - Move it to 01:20:799 - and make it a don? I think it'll fit better there as it'll be covering the vocal phrase nicely.
01:28:247 (33) - Similar as above.

[ Muzukashii]
00:32:385 (111,112,113,114,115) - How about trying d d k k d for these ones? I think you put kat in (111) for the vocals, but as the tone is a bit different, feels a bit weird having both (110) and (111) as kats. Alternatively, you could try k d k k d, similar to 00:39:006 (140,141,142,143,144).
00:52:247 (203,204,205,206,207) - ^

[ Inner Oni]
dat combo

Cool map as always :)
That'd be all I'd have to say, let me know what you think and I hope this is useful for you.
Topic Starter
TKS

DakeDekaane wrote:

TKS-senpai what's this BG? (/w\) - OAO!? i dont remember such BG!!

[ Kantan]
01:21:627 (23) - Move it to 01:20:799 - and make it a don? I think it'll fit better there as it'll be covering the vocal phrase nicely.
01:28:247 (33) - Similar as above. - fixed both pattern. also 01:21:627 (23) - moved as a d because dkdkk is a bit hard for any Kantan player. and dkddk will get better consistency with next kdkkd 01:26:178 -

[ Muzukashii]
00:32:385 (111,112,113,114,115) - How about trying d d k k d for these ones? I think you put kat in (111) for the vocals, but as the tone is a bit different, feels a bit weird having both (110) and (111) as kats. Alternatively, you could try k d k k d, similar to 00:39:006 (140,141,142,143,144).
00:52:247 (203,204,205,206,207) - ^ - changed them to kdkkd instead!

[ Inner Oni]
dat combo - didnt notice :roll:

Cool map as always :)
That'd be all I'd have to say, let me know what you think and I hope this is useful for you.
yeah it was really useful mod.
thank you for your time! ;)
DakeDekaane
oh nao, why is your voice so lovely?
oh TKS, why are your maps so cool?

Go qualified.
(ノ・ω・)ノ
Nwolf
omg yay


gratz : D
Satellite
congrats !!
Stefan
mfw I can't pass Oni

Congrats for rank!
Topic Starter
TKS
thank you guys!♥ =͟͟͞͞⊂( ’ω’ )=͟͟͞͞⊃
lolcubes
╭( ・ㅂ・)و <3
JUDYDANNY
おめでとうございます(//∇//)
Lust
Congratulations! Great and fun map~
Charlotte
Gratz :)
Kyouren
Gratzz~

BG is so cute and moe~ :3
Stefan

lolcubes wrote:

╭( ・ㅂ・)و <3
Suddenly you LOL
wasonz
BG
OnosakiHito

Reason for Disqualification


  1. Disqualified for the Background, after having a discussion with the team.
___________________________________________________________________________________________________________________

Additional Modding


[General]
  1. Another problem we have here is the amount of barlines most of the difficulties provide. Especially in Kantan this is noticeable. Because of that, I recommend you to use BPM145 with SV multiplier x2.00. Of course, that means you can't have x1.20 in the Inner anymore. But dunno if it is that important compared to the amount of barlines. Or you just wait for this: p/3578338 (In this way barlines are fixed, and you have your acceleraiting part.)
    Note: I didn't put this into the disqualify reason since it isn't your fault but rather the fault of the editor. Else, it would be there.
  2. Lower diffs could use just some deletions. Not much, so no worries. But there should be some.
  3. SV in Kantan should be also higher like in the other diffs if you ask me. At least 0.70.
  4. SV in Kantan is 0.80 instead 0.70, that means it is like SV 1.60. Any reason for this? Maybe because it looks better and not too slow? Just wanna make sure.
  5. 01:45:109 - This note isn't snapped correctly. Though, it is in general hard to have a proper snapping here. Yet, I think on the blue tick it is more accurate.
[ Kantan]
  1. 00:33:213 (27) - Such notes should be deleted. The song is intense indeed, which is why I'm fine with sections like 00:15:834~00:30:730 . But you should have at least some more breaks at certain places (e.g. at transition from one section to another).
  2. 00:39:834 - Do the same here or delete note at 00:41:489, so in this way it might sound nicer.
  3. 00:53:075 - ^
  4. 00:59:696 - ^
[ Futsuu]

Actually similar to Kantan, so I won't mention above said points. If you didn't like the suggestion, please try something else.

  1. 00:15:834~00:30:730 - Note like 00:20:385 (37,38) - and 00:27:006 (58,59) - I recommend to delete. The spread is overall fine, indeed. The jumps from diff to diff are high, which is fine. But since the BPM here is pretty high and mapping continuous in this way for 15 seconds, having at least two rest moments is really important, so Futsuu player can rearrange them self and prepare for the next pattern.
  2. 00:43:971~00:50:592 - ^
  3. 01:05:075 - Oh, maybe delete this note? So 01:08:385 this note would work as "rise of notes". Just an idea from me.
  4. 01:31:971~01:45:109 - Same like above.
Futsuu is actually pretty hard, now when looking at it. But will check it once again later.
I would have come up with the disqualification much earlier, but I thought to give a mod as well. Though, christmas stuff is helding me back of this, so I will do the move now before it's too late.

Really sorry that it took me so long TKS. m(_ _")m
Will check the others diffs and Futsuu once again really soon (hopefully today).
Nwolf
The song is not 145 BPM
Shiro
There is no 145 BPM part. This is 290 BPM. Do not change the timing.
Topic Starter
TKS

OnosakiHito wrote:

  1. Disqualified for the Background
?
Nwolf
There really are worse BGs qualified atm
Arrival

OnosakiHito wrote:

Reason for Disqualification


  1. Disqualified for the Background, after having a discussion with the team.
Wow.
Nashmun

Shiro wrote:

There is no 145 BPM part. This is 290 BPM. Do not change the timing.
There is no 290 BPM part. This is 145 BPM.
BPM = number of crotchet/mn so this is 145 BPM. The instrumental part is played with semiquavers, that shouldn't mean the BPM suddenly double.

My two cents.
Arrival

Nashmun wrote:

Shiro wrote:

There is no 145 BPM part. This is 290 BPM. Do not change the timing.
There is no 290 BPM part. This is 145 BPM.
BPM = number of crotchet/mn so this is 145 BPM. The instrumental part is played with semiquavers, that shouldn't mean the BPM suddenly double.

My two cents.
I stopped fighting for this since most of the mappers prefer overmapped songs...
Seijiro
I'd like to know what the real reasons were since you only wrote you discussed this with the team but how can other mappers gain something from this to prevent other BGs that you QATs disapprove?

I'm not saying it isn't the correct reason to disqualify a map, I just want to know the standards for BGs to be acceptable
Stefan
Okay guys, the current goal is to get this map as soon as possible re-qualified to be ranked soon. Unproductive and/or not needed posts may be removed and I will just lock until the mapper has made changes. Don't let this happen.
Sakura
I agree that this bpm sounds more like 145 bpm to me.
Topic Starter
TKS
will delete this set when goes to graveyard.
if that bpm should be 145, i have to full-remap this but i dont have a motivation for that.
also i cant take care of this set anymore because my pc suddenly broke down.

thanks a lot you guys!
Lach
I don't give a flying fuck about taiko but I don't think you should give up on this set. If you apply the tempo theory stated here, a massive percentage of the maps in this game are doubled. The actual pacing of the song does not suggest 145.

Also, Is there a reason why I can't see the unqualification post? I can see people quoting ono, but there's no actual post in the thread.

Edit: lol
Sakura
Seems like it got glitched, idk why it happens tho, the same thing happened to me back here: p/3551971 where my bubble post just went poof.

I remember whenever i checked my post it would lead to sellenite's post instead of mine from searching my posts despite mine still being there and only later it dissapeared, could be the same issue?
Edit: so i just went ahead and screencapped it from the search function:
http://puu.sh/dDhJ7/c01944ab23.png
Hope that helps.

Edit 2: Apparently more posts dissapeared...?
Nashmun

Lach wrote:

I don't give a flying fuck about taiko but I don't think you should give up on this set. If you apply the tempo theory stated here, a massive percentage of the maps in this game are doubled. The actual pacing of the song does not suggest 145.

Also, Is there a reason why I can't see the unqualification post? I can see people quoting ono, but there's no actual post in the thread.

Edit: lol
I wasn't suggesting to put the real bpm, I know a huge percentage of maps are actually mapped with a BPMx2, and for this kind of map it avoid doubling all the settings and putting 1/8everywhere. I just felt like answering to Shiro because you just cannot make a wrong statement to justify a choice.

Speaking of the DQ, just apply Ono mod and you'll be good to go, don't act childish about it ;)
shionelove
BPM=290 because of music type
Topic Starter
TKS
i got pc for a little time.

i want to ask you 2 things about DQ reason in this time.

1, why is this BG unrankable? it seems that your post is lacking details for that.
actually i cant see the ******* and the ********, there is only the breasts. so the cause is just overexposed, right?

2, why should i use 145bpm? and why is Kyouki Chinden 280bpm?
each song's drum pattens are almost the same and i guess that Kyouki Chinden has almost 1/2 sound only.
(Setsuna Trip is the most similar to Towa naru Kizuna to Omoi no Kiseki.)

Edit: thank you Sakura i noticed your help just now :roll:
OnosakiHito
quotation of the missing DQ post

OnosakiHito wrote:

Reason for Disqualification



  1. Disqualified for the Background, after having a discussion with the team.

___________________________________________________________________________________________________________________

Additional Modding



[General]

  1. Another problem we have here is the amount of barlines most of the difficulties provide. Especially in Kantan this is noticeable. Because of that, I recommend you to use BPM145 with SV multiplier x2.00. Of course, that means you can't have x1.20 in the Inner anymore. But dunno if it is that important compared to the amount of barlines. Or you just wait for this: p/3578338 (In this way barlines are fixed, and you have your acceleraiting part.)
    Note: I didn't put this into the disqualify reason since it isn't your fault but rather the fault of the editor. Else, it would be there.
  2. Lower diffs could use just some deletions. Not much, so no worries. But there should be some.
  3. SV in Kantan should be also higher like in the other diffs if you ask me. At least 0.70.
  4. SV in Kantan is 0.80 instead 0.70, that means it is like SV 1.60. Any reason for this? Maybe because it looks better and not too slow? Just wanna make sure.
  5. 01:45:109 - This note isn't snapped correctly. Though, it is in general hard to have a proper snapping here. Yet, I think on the blue tick it is more accurate.

[ Kantan]

  1. 00:33:213 (27) - Such notes should be deleted. The song is intense indeed, which is why I'm fine with sections like 00:15:834~00:30:730 . But you should have at least some more breaks at certain places (e.g. at transition from one section to another).
  2. 00:39:834 - Do the same here or delete note at 00:41:489, so in this way it might sound nicer.
  3. 00:53:075 - ^
  4. 00:59:696 - ^

[ Futsuu]

Actually similar to Kantan, so I won't mention above said points. If you didn't like the suggestion, please try something else.

  1. 00:15:834~00:30:730 - Note like 00:20:385 (37,38) - and 00:27:006 (58,59) - I recommend to delete. The spread is overall fine, indeed. The jumps from diff to diff are high, which is fine. But since the BPM here is pretty high and mapping continuous in this way for 15 seconds, having at least two rest moments is really important, so Futsuu player can rearrange them self and prepare for the next pattern.
  2. 00:43:971~00:50:592 - ^
  3. 01:05:075 - Oh, maybe delete this note? So 01:08:385 this note would work as "rise of notes". Just an idea from me.
  4. 01:31:971~01:45:109 - Same like above.

Futsuu is actually pretty hard, now when looking at it. But will check it once again later.
I would have come up with the disqualification much earlier, but I thought to give a mod as well. Though, christmas stuff is helding me back of this, so I will do the move now before it's too late.

Really sorry that it took me so long TKS. m(_ _")m
Will check the others diffs and Futsuu once again really soon (hopefully today).

I think here is some misunderstanding which I should probably clear because, it seems that people didn't read my post properly or might not have understand the difference between DQ post and mod post. Let me explain the situation, starting with your post TKS:

1.) First of all, I censored what you said TKS. That's exactly the reason why the DQ post has no details. Because it is NSFW talk. A silencable behavior. In this forum are underaged audiences who do not have to read these kind of topics. And especially because of these audiances, the picture is seen as unsave due to suggestive sexuality. And since many people quotet me wrong, I will do it once again:

OnosakiHito wrote:

Disqualified for the Background, after having a discussion with the team.
It is also said by some people that there are other maps which have such suggestive BGs, too. Maybe in osu, that's right. But not in Taiko(please do not take maps as example which are ranked before the new modding system). I have nothing to do with the modding process in osu or the other game modes. But to be honest... I wonder why it's such a big deal to change a background?


2.) Now about the BPM - You didn't read my post properly, and it starts at the very first line:

OnosakiHito wrote:

Additional Modding

It's put under additional modding, which means you are free to disagree with it. I never -and you guys forgot it since I'm QAT- force anyone to do what I say, beside rule breaks or real no-go stuff. If you disagree with me that's fine! It shows me that you are really thinking about what you are doing, which is good. But if you didn't give it a real second thought, please do not wonder if another QAT should disqualify your maps because of possible said concerns by me. I want to prevent a second DQ under any certainumstance, which is why I give sometimes additional modding (which you rage sometimes about when I can't find time to add, and now you rage because I added one. What do you guys want from me? lol)

The examples you gave do not provide the same conditions like your set, TKS. One of the sets has no Taiko. The other one is not a set. The BPM concern lies in the lower difficulties(Kantan, Futsuu) due to bar-line issues which appear way to often but can be fixed easily with the recommendation I provided.
Same here, I do not understand what the big problem is. The maps remain -with exception of the x1.2 in inner- exactly the same, and the barlines would have been fixed in this way. Did you forgot everything what people like lepidopodus and wmfchris tought us back then? Has that no value anymore?


One last thing...
As I said in my DQ post before, I had not much time. So I disqualified it as soon as possible, so it doesn't happen at the very last day(even then people would probably rage at me *sighs*). Maybe something else has been missed, which is why I said I will check the diffs one more time properly to make sure it doesn't get DQ again. But well, if you rather wanna keep going in this way without my mod that's fine. But then again: Do not wonder if another QAT disqualifies it.

Note: In case the post imply I'm angry, I'm not. Don't forget that english isn't my motherlanguage. lol
verto
Some 12 years olds are more sexually active than most of us though. It's going to hurt because it's true, so remove my comment if you'd like.
Stefan
Removed some posts to keep this safe for all ages. Everyone who doesn't follows will be silenced, one and only warning.

About the BPM: Guys, please think logical: If you have a BPM of 290 and using 0.6x SV this is exactly the same like 145 BPM with 1.2x SV. I understand we stick for usual on 1.2-1.4-1.6 but at extremely high (starting from 260) or low BPM (85 or below) it's better to half/double the SV instead of the BPM. Also: What sounds like 145 doesn't has to be 145 but doubled. Same goes with the opposite. Just leave it to these users which are really experienced about this (which I do not include in this case but I know what I am talking about this issue. :P)


I am aware this was NOT the reason why this has been disqualified. But about this what some wrote I want to clarify why it's stupid to half the BPM. Barlines here, Barlines there: Some things seems not able to be fixed to 100%.
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