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Touhou PyP IV (Game over - Mafia wins :>)

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Jinxy
k why not
Sakura
/in
NoHitter
Let's try this.
Kitsunemimi
Omg <3
I wanna try~
Royston
I don't know shit about Touhou
I've never played a game of Mafia

  1. don't do anything stupid plz
ok


/in
Jinxy
Well, have a read first: http://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Newbie_Guide and http://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?tit ... e_to_Mafia

That's not a suggestion, by the way. You really need to know the bare basics to play mafia
VoidnOwO
in
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pieguyn

Jinxy wrote:

Well, have a read first: http://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Newbie_Guide and http://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?tit ... e_to_Mafia

That's not a suggestion, by the way. You really need to know the bare basics to play mafia
^ this, just a warning :P
It's fine if you know how to play ofc, but if not, I absolutely recommend reading it first :3
fartownik
Kay, sign me up.
Royston
yeah, I've read all the basics and stuff already. just haven't played before
fartownik
Also 12 players is optimal to start the game here I think.
Topic Starter
pieguyn
I'll cut the deadline by 24 hours (so 24 hours total), since a lot of people signed up already.
Sakura
did u see NH's post regarding why it's bad to have over 12 players?
DakeDekaane
I think I'll spec this one, I'm in if you need a replacement.
fartownik
DotA mafia pretty much sucked because 1/3 of its players got inactive. They also claimed being 'active' for the whole game, but it didn't turn out well anyways. 12 seems optimal on this forums.
Topic Starter
pieguyn
well I guess some people might not have viewed the thread yet. also I'm about to fall asleep any second now, so I can't start the game > <
I got an idea, I'll close signups, but I'll accept replacements till I start the game (and after too ofc). that way, if we get any inactives and/or people who view the thread after this, it'll work out anyway.
signups closed
game starts sometime up to 24 hrs from now
bmin11
noooo
Topic Starter
pieguyn
sign up as replacement plz, we need all the people we can get :P
Sakura

bmin11 wrote:

noooo
You can pre-in for my game too if you think you're gonna be around by the time it starts /ShamlessAdvertising
Sakura
Btw is this really pyp or upick.
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pieguyn
what's the difference o.o
it's: pick 3 characters -> I pick one of the 3 and create a role based on it -> that's the role you get.
afaik, we used PyP to describe this > <
Sakura
upick = pick something (word, character, something) get a role based on it
pyp = you actually see the roles and pick one.

Here's an example of a pyp variation called pyp x/y: http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=51&t=29453

I still like upick tho, so i don't mind.
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pieguyn
then this would be upick. :D
it's just we historically always used PyP to describe these kinds of games, I didn't know it was actually called something else @_@
Kanye West
BMin can have my spot if he wants. I'm lazy to play mafia while hosting anyway :P
Zerostarry
I can replace if needed, a bit sad i didn't get in before.
Topic Starter
pieguyn
sending role PMs out now, confirm in thread plz ~
game starts when everyone's confirmed.

EDIT: all role PMs sent
VoidnOwO
conf
Lilac
Confirmed and my stomach hurts like hell.
Jinxy
confirmed and get well soon
Topic Starter
pieguyn
since I forgot to put this in the last post

Flandre...wake up, Flandre... please..
...seems she's not waking up...come on, Flandre!
*crying* no...it can't be...


Remilia entered the room.

...

well... um... *crying*

...MY SISTER HAS BEEN KILLED!! > <


*everyone shocked*

it has to be one of you. No one living here could do such a thing. As someone who controls fate, I'm able to sense it was one of you. Sakuya, seal all exits from the mansion. No one is leaving here till I avenge my sister's death. My maid has prepared enough rooms to accommodate all of you, not that all of you deserve this treatment anyway. Not even I can tell which one of you has done this, so I'm just going to leave you all to figure it out yourselves.
*runs off, crying*


*everyone wonders how someone like Flandre could possibly be murdered, even though she's supposed to be immortal. Oh well, stranger things have happened I guess...*
Royston
confirmed.
Lilac
It looks like the ability to destroy everything...

...just destroyed her. YEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!

brb, changing avatar.

EDIT:
Raging Bull
conf
Rantai
Hi
NoHitter
Confirmed
fartownik
Confirm.
Tanzklaue
sorryImlateIwasgoingtobedearlytonigh>.<confirmkkthx
Rantai
Vote: Tanz

Tardy.
Topic Starter
pieguyn
still waiting for Kanye, Sakura and Kitsunemimi 0.0
Tanzklaue
Vote: Rantai
I bet you flipped a coin. much like you would flip scum. it's an obvious hint.
Lilac
Or that he missed three other people being late as well maybe?

You know...?
Rantai
Unbeatable logic orz.

Tanz for mvp.

-- Actually no. I knew there were more players but he's making excuses.
Lilac
So are you.

Mmm?
Rantai
Touche.

Though mine is an explanation in order to alleviate misunderstandings~
Tanzklaue
Unvote
Vote: Lilac
she tries to foment us, rantai, obv scum.
Rantai
Cunning.

It must be the shades.
Lilac
Possible jealousy vote...? Heh, no matter.
Raging Bull
So eager guys.
Sakura
Confoim

[vote]Raging Bully[/vote]

yay MS tags that are unexistant here
Kitsunemimi
Confirming~

So it's Touhou Clue now huh?~ :3
Topic Starter
pieguyn
seems 11/12 is enough let's go

After Remi left, everyone just stared at each other. Something wasn't as it seemed...it was bad enough that Flan had apparently died, but everyone could sense something else was off. They just decided to not worry about it now and argue over who the killer could have been.

it is D1, the deadline is 7/30 09:00 GMT. it's slightly less than 96 hours but better to have it move faster and be more active imo :P
With 12 alive, it takes 7 to lynch
fartownik
Vote: NoHitter
Sakura
Vote: NH
Sheep fartownik to victory!
fartownik
Unvote
Vote: Sakura

SHEEP PLS
Sakura
vote: Sakura
Sheep fartownik to v- oh wait
Tanzklaue
Vote: Kanye
obv scum is obv
Kanye West
Hi, just woke up.

Vote: NoHitter
NoHitter
Hi guys.
Two's method again? It worked last time :D
Sakura
Ok, i'm a secret bulletproof unlynchable dayvig cop.
unvote
fartownik

NoHitter wrote:

Hi guys.
Two's method again? It worked last time :D
I'm fine with this.
Tanzklaue
yea yea fart, I have no doubt that you are fine with it ;)

if I learned anything from my games so far, then that massclaiming at day 1 is not a good idea.
fartownik
EBWOP: This is different though. We have no idea how many VTs are there/if any at all. If everyone's a PR then it might turn out pretty ugly.
Tanzklaue
this is pyp, and also touhou. I think it's a safe bet that everyone is a PR
Tanzklaue
which btw. means that unless we outright scream our PRs out, it won't do anything :P
Sakura
It didnt say it was role madness tho.
Tanzklaue
why would you give any touhou character a VT role?
Tanzklaue
also read OP. there it says that pieguy would choose matching abilities for every character, so unless someone wanted to be a plain boring human from the village, nobody will be a VT
Sakura
What is wrong with being part of the human village
fartownik
I guess we could confirm that by half-massclaiming. Everyone says if he's a PR a or not, without revealing the actual role.
fartownik
EBWOP: But don't do that yet. Just a rough idea, need confirmation of this before actually doing it.
Tanzklaue
I don't really see the sense behind such action, though I don't see much harm in it either, since I am pretty convinced that everyone is a PR.
Sakura
I didnt like that idea when NH did it on StD and i don't like it here either.
Sakura
So here's some discussion.

I got a townread on fartownik, discuss!
Tanzklaue
null, he kinda wants to massclaim, but questions its usefullness.
Sakura
I got a townread on him way before that
fartownik
I got scumread on Sakura.

Also I just thrown the idea. I don't think it'd do much harm even if not everyone was a PR, it'd bring some information anyhow at least.
fartownik
EBWOP: @Sakura: what's your base on your townread in me?
NoHitter
[quote="Tanz"00k1]null, he kinda wants to massclaim, but questions its usefullness.[/quote00k1]
How is he exactly questioning its usefulness? None of his posts show any doubt.

And Sakura, when you give out your reads, give your reasoning.

As of now, I have no reads on anyone yet. Game's still starting and I want to see everyone participate in the discussion before I give my reads.

Incidentally guys, for this setup, we need to massclaim both the character and the role. The abilities should correlate with the character through some way.

Then we have to set a time from X to Y for all the claims. (if only we could do the same as in IRC mafia for this...) The longer they take to claim, the more likely they may have to make fake claims. Then probably we can watch for any contradictions.
Sakura

NoHitter wrote:

And Sakura, when you give out your reads, give your reasoning.
I am aware of that, the point of the discussion is whether you can guess why i'm townreading farto.
fartownik

NoHitter wrote:

Incidentally guys, for this setup, we need to massclaim both the character and the role. The abilities should correlate with the character through some way.
So you think scum are not PRs by this? Even if they claim the flavor + role they might be null reads because they might be PRs as well (and they probably are anyways).
Sakura
NH: How is it beneficial to town to inform scum of any possible OP roles?
fartownik

Sakura wrote:

NoHitter wrote:

And Sakura, when you give out your reads, give your reasoning.
I am aware of that, the point of the discussion is whether you can guess why i'm townreading farto.
Please tell me and I will say if I think you're Town.
NoHitter
Well that's a horrible point of discussion then.
It looks as if you're getting us to say why "farto is town" then you'd just say "correct" and sheep one of the reasons given even if that wasn't your original reason.
Sakura
Everything will come with time, i wanna hear everyone's thoughts on why i'm townreading you to see if everyone's seeing the same thing i'm seeing.
Tanzklaue
NH, fart said he wants to wait for more people to discuss, instead of directly forcing the massclaim out. for me, that is a questioning-ish action.

also, I won't claim.
VoidnOwO
:)
Tanzklaue
I'm conditioned now to always feel like a lightning stroke me down whenever someone wants to massclaim day 1.
fartownik

Tanzklaue wrote:

NH, fart said he wants to wait for more people to discuss, instead of directly forcing the massclaim out. for me, that is a questioning-ish action.

also, I won't claim.
I'm not NoHitter to claim in my first post already. I'm also not sure of all the pluses and minuses the action might give in the future, though I'm waiting for the opinions.
NoHitter
EBWOP:
More people posted in between-

@fartownik: Flavor and common sense
Unless the mod made safeclaims, you'd expect scum roles to exist outside of traditional "town" roles. Also if the flavor of the character they claim doesn't quite fit the description, then lynch. I'm sure we have enough flavor-expert people to verify this.

Sakura wrote:

NH: How is it beneficial to town to inform scum of any possible OP roles?
It's the same reason as in Stacking the Deck. You may inform them yes, but in turn you also get information that will help town lynch them or plan ahead.
Sakura
I townread fartownik because of noticing the blatant sheeping I did, and I asked to discuss that so we got out of RVS fast and we can start hunting information, and I love how I already got some reactions from my point of discussion.

Leaning Town: fartownik, Tanz
Leaning Scum: NH.
Null: Everyone else.

And no massclaiming PRs is not a good idea to hunt information.
Tanzklaue
claiming only PR has no pluses nor minuses.

claiming the exact roles doesn't help town all that much, while scum can pick out the better townroles.
Sakura
And didnt you say, there were no VTs?
Tanzklaue
there arn't. but killing for example a cop is better than killing a FBI agent (I struggled to find a really useless role lol)
Sakura
There may be a cop yes, there also may be a doctor, who's the scum gonna shoot first?
Tanzklaue
doctor, since you can't shoot the cop if the doctor has a functioning brain.
Sakura
So NH care to tell me why you think it would work, in the most likely scenario that we are all PRs?

Or did you want to claim everyone's abilities so you and your scumbuddies take out the most OP ones?
fartownik
I'm all for not claiming the exact roles in this game. This is different than Stack the Deck. The only thing we should do is to half-claim.

@Sakura: I don't see how anyone wouldn't notice you sheeping to me. Everyone noticed that and that doesn't mean everyone's Town.
Sakura
Yeah, but you thought i was scum for doing so.
Tanzklaue
I'm psure he just joked around.
NoHitter

Sakura wrote:

NoHitter wrote:

And Sakura, when you give out your reads, give your reasoning.
I am aware of that, the point of the discussion is whether you can guess why i'm townreading farto.

Sakura wrote:

I townread fartownik because of noticing the blatant sheeping I did, and I asked to discuss that so we got out of RVS fast and we can start hunting information, and I love how I already got some reactions from my point of discussion.

Leaning Town: fartownik, Tanz
Leaning Scum: NH.
Null: Everyone else.

And no massclaiming PRs is not a good idea to hunt information.
Care to tell us why Tanz is leaning town, and I'm leaning scum?

Sakura wrote:

So NH care to tell me why you think it would work, in the most likely scenario that we are all PRs?

Or did you want to claim everyone's abilities so you and your scumbuddies take out the most OP ones?
Nice scumpainting there.

If we were all PR's then let me repeat what I told you:
1) Flavor - if a character's flavor does not match with his/her role, lynch
2) Setup - some roles will be deemed questionable if placed in a town sense: i.e. Roleblocker; also, some roles are technically hand in hand with each other: A Watcher will almost all the time be paired with a Tracker, etc. If any inconsistencies pop out, lynch
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