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I was just jokingRaging Bull wrote:
wait for Q to start damnit. also HoS pieguy.
Beautiful irony.BRBP wrote:
Jokes aside,
Vote: Quaraezha
Lol'd. I played so many games and honestly didn't notice it.BRBP wrote:
I believe pieguy missed the breadcrumb.
fartownik
OMG HE'S ALREADY LYING!! [b]Vo--[b] *lynched D0.05*fartownik wrote:
Lol'd. I played so many games and honestly didn't notice it.BRBP wrote:
I believe pieguy missed the breadcrumb.
fartownik
Let the stuff begin.
Vote: Raging Bull
Thems fighting words =DCalignoBot wrote:
Vote: Rantai
There's exactly 73% chance this guy is scum. Hammer with extreme prejudice.
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Can be anything without a night action.Raging Bull wrote:
@mod Does secret role mean you have a passive ability or vt?
What's to massclaim except secret and mystery?Tanzklaue wrote:
finally something other than RVS t.t
should we really go for the massclaim? I mean, last time we at least knew what everyone could do. now we have a bunch of people who could possibly explode in our faces, so we can't even confirm anyone.
Throughout the games I learned not to give a fuck about the role when lynching a potential mafia. Your role would mean nothing if you were a likely scum for me.Tanzklaue wrote:
like I said, I thought quara already claimed and I got confused by the explanation he gave.
also, if I wanted to pull off something similiar to what you did, I would've waited longer until a claim of mine would have made it impossible to stop the claim.
also, you have to see it like this: if you lynch me now, you'll lynch a town mystery role and mafia has a free shot this night. if I don't get lynched, it is likely that mafia kills me. if they don't kill me, then I might bring up something useful with my power, which hurts them.
you can still lynch me without too much problem at day 2, but lynching a potential friendly PR at day 1 is really dumb.
I also claim vigilante without a night action.Tanzklaue wrote:
like I said, I thought quara already claimed and I got confused by the explanation he gave.
I think a mystery role is stronger when not lynched unless it's obv scum. passive roles only can block nightactions, kill the person who targeted them, or plainly do nothing. mystery roles are guaranteed to have some ability, which can be used strategically, unlike the passive powers of secret roles.fartownik wrote:
Throughout the games I learned not to give a fuck about the role when lynching a potential mafia. Your role would mean nothing if you were a likely scum for me.Tanzklaue wrote:
like I said, I thought quara already claimed and I got confused by the explanation he gave.
also, if I wanted to pull off something similiar to what you did, I would've waited longer until a claim of mine would have made it impossible to stop the claim.
also, you have to see it like this: if you lynch me now, you'll lynch a town mystery role and mafia has a free shot this night. if I don't get lynched, it is likely that mafia kills me. if they don't kill me, then I might bring up something useful with my power, which hurts them.
you can still lynch me without too much problem at day 2, but lynching a potential friendly PR at day 1 is really dumb.
I'd say Mystery Roles have a similar strength to Secret Roles in this game. I doubt we will manage to successfully determine every PR in the game (even with the potential massclaiming of actions D2), thus Mystery Roles might end up more harmful than helpful for Town.
I didn't know that you jokeclaim after RVS is technically done. how should I know that?Quaraezha wrote:
I also claim vigilante without a night action.Tanzklaue wrote:
like I said, I thought quara already claimed and I got confused by the explanation he gave.
I'm just saying that massclaim is a terrible idea, especially for Day 1.
The only strategic D1 massclaim I could think of is for PRs to announce their target so we know what happens to them in D2
Which still sounds pretty fuckin' dumb.
As for the number of mafias,
Having 3 mafia would pretty much make D1 MYLO already.
aka Mislynch and Town loses.
So I'm pretty sure there's just 2 of them.
It's possible.Quaraezha wrote:
Mod: Just making sure. But some (or none) mafias can have their own Mystery Action, yes? A different action other than their usual mafia night kill?
How is a Mystery Role stronger when you have no idea what it is? It'd be stronger if we knew at least one of the roles for sure, but right now we have none and both are pretty much equal. The night actions will be random as fuck, you can never know who performs what action and what are the results of it.Tanzklaue wrote:
I think a mystery role is stronger when not lynched unless it's obv scum. passive roles only can block nightactions, kill the person who targeted them, or plainly do nothing. mystery roles are guaranteed to have some ability, which can be used strategically, unlike the passive powers of secret roles.
also, if the reason for massclaiming being bad is that town PRs make themselves a target, wouldn't it be really dumb to do the dirty work for the scum and killing of the target directly?
all I can say is that I am town, and I think it's much more suspicious to tunnel down on one guy this intensively for a relatively minor reason. I already said, I claimed in confusion and didn't think about the consequences.
Because everyone obviously knows their specific role and a fool is best claim.Tanzklaue wrote:
I didn't know that you jokeclaim after RVS is technically done. how should I know that?
mytery roles are stronger because they have more potential. a secret role can't actively manipulate the game, it can't interact, only passively react. a secret role doesn't really start out with the potential to be helpful for town. a mystery role, on the other hand, can be really strong. sure, it also can be awful (aka blow of faces), but the potential behind an active PR is almost always bigger than the potential of a passive one. add to that that secret roles could have no power at all...fartownik wrote:
How is a Mystery Role stronger when you have no idea what it is? It'd be stronger if we knew at least one of the roles for sure, but right now we have none and both are pretty much equal. The night actions will be random as fuck, you can never know who performs what action and what are the results of it.
Also I'm not sure what you mean in the 2nd paragraph.
And I'm not 'tunneling' you. I'm putting pressure on you, I'm reaction testing you. That's what you do when you have no leads in D1 (well, not only in D1).
I didn't know fool was a possible PR in mafia games. I thought he just claimed mystery role in a fancy way.Raging Bull wrote:
I'm not entirely sure what massclaim would do here anyways, so that idea seems rather useless. Tanz said Q claimed, but I don't know why would he believe "joker" since all we would get is "mystery/secret" I believe.
I don't know how to really convince you that I'm town. like I said in my very first post in this game, mystery roles can basically not confirm anything. I will get some sort of result though, may it some investigation or spontanious face blowing, then I can report that.Raging Bull wrote:
Tanz, what do you think of your situation right now? How can you convince us your mystery role will make us see you as town if your ability would work?
Of course a Secret Role can manipulate the game, I'd say even better than a Mystery Role. Passively, as you said, but still. And passive or active doesn't mean anything here because we have no clue of what our PRs are. I won't change my mind on the case, we shouldn't look upon potential targets with the role-glass on.Tanzklaue wrote:
mytery roles are stronger because they have more potential. a secret role can't actively manipulate the game, it can't interact, only passively react. a secret role doesn't really start out with the potential to be helpful for town. a mystery role, on the other hand, can be really strong. sure, it also can be awful (aka blow of faces), but the potential behind an active PR is almost always bigger than the potential of a passive one. add to that that secret roles could have no power at all...
forget the second paragraph, when I think about it again, it doesn't make too much sense.
overall, as a mystery role, I need to be alive at night to work my magic. lynching active PRs at day 1 isn't really useful to town, in my opinion at least. I also think that fart is town or at least leans town, as his action makes sense (it was a dumb action, I acknowledge that). I know that I contradict my last statement here (about how it's suspicious to tunnel on me), but I'm not really getting vibes from fart. call it "gut feeling".
tsukasa, on the other hand, is still fishy. he quoted my doubt about the massclaim and then accused me of slipping, instead of quoting the actual claim. I get a feeling that he wants to carry over the random vote into a fairly quick lynch.
Better hope you're not a paranoid gun owner.Raging Bull wrote:
Why don't we all target one person? at most we would get 2 kills, one from mafia and one from town kill. Perhaps some informatino can be gained from it from all the mystery roles? Hell if we get lucky with tracker/watcher, we can see who didn't target that person. You guys can target me if you like, if I'm grandma, hell town wins then
Please read the OP, thanks.Quaraezha wrote:
Mod: When someone dies, do you reveal their specific role or if they're just secret/mystery?
We interpret pieguy too differentBRBP wrote:
What?
It was pieguy's idea, Tanz's post implied he was against it.
pieguy1372 wrote:
I bet RB has a secret role now just cause he asked XD
not sure if a roleclaim would work in this scenario. after thinking about it for a few seconds, I don't think it would hurt us much, although some of the more useful roles are probably the ones with night actions o.o
Tanzklaue wrote:
okay, I am mystery, and I can't wait to blow someones face off :3
Tanzklaue wrote:
I claimed becauseI'm tired and dumbI thought quara already claimed aswell.
at least I would interpret "fool with nightaction" as that.
And the fact that he's just BEGGING to be lynched...Tanzklaue wrote:
in retrospect, I don't really understand why I claimed that fast... I am really dumb
DON'T YOU FOLLOW BRO!!!Raging Bull wrote:
Yes I'm secret role. Not like that would give much away, especially since I don't even know if I'm VT or some passive ability.
OMG FART TOWN!!! :Ofartownik wrote:
Massclaim is totally useless in this game, unless you're mafia. It worked in the Stack the Deck because we had some idea of the current roles, but here we have pretty much none. What would massclaim give us? What would be our plan after it? Lynching off the 'VTs' (aka Secret roles) would be invalid here because they might be PRs as well and we don't know what PRs exactly. We know nothing while scum can plan the nightkill more thoroughly.
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Vote: Tanzklaue
The claim looked like a slip. No one said we massclaim and you rushed with it. Gives me bumps you wanted to cause a domino effect, similar to NH's in the Stack the Deck game.
Tanzklaue wrote:
like I said, I thought quara already claimed and I got confused by the explanation he gave.
also, if I wanted to pull off something similiar to what you did, I would've waited longer until a claim of mine would have made it impossible to stop the claim.
la la la I'm PR don't lynch me pl0x la la la
DEFLECTIOOOOOOOOOOOOOOON!!!!Tanzklaue wrote:
tsukasa, on the other hand, is still fishy. he quoted my doubt about the massclaim and then accused me of slipping, instead of quoting the actual claim. I get a feeling that he wants to carry over the random vote into a fairly quick lynch.
Qua is town. Probably. Maybe. IDKQuaraezha wrote:
As discussed. There are most likely 2 mafia, unless a MYLO with 3.
I'm gonna go ahead and Vote: No Lynch on this one.
With no leads, I'd rather have one town be killed than two in D2.
And I'm interested to see what everyone's abilities are capable of.
Even if we do luckily lynch a mafia today, the other mafia/s can still kill tonight, regardless (unless there's doc/rb)Tsukasa wrote:
But I for one don't like the idea of no lynch.
1) Being that mafia can have free kill
2) OMG MASSCLAIM ON D2 MADNESS!!!!!!
3) Scum pool never lessens when we never lynch