Settings inconsistencies between 4key clients

Lights

Joined December 2016

Topic Starter

Lights 2019-10-19T05:29:04+00:00

Hi. I play Etterna and Quaver in addition to osu!mania; all 3 of which having very different ways of handling things like scroll speed, arrow size, column padding, etc.

Does anyone have any reliable methods for replicating these settings between clients (mainly between osu! and Stepmania) because I can't seem to figure it out and google isn't helping.

h̸̸̷̴̷̶̸̸̷̷̷̸̷̶̴̵̸̴̸̶̶̴̸̴̶̶̵̸̷̶̴̵̶̸̶̷̶̸̸̴̸̴̵̸̶̴̴̶̵̶̴̴̶̷̵̴̸̶̸̷̸̴̶̴̷̴̷̴̸̵̶̸̸̶̶̷̷̵̵̶̷̶̴̵̵̴̴̷̸̸̴̷̴̵̷̶̶̴̵̸̶̷̴̵̷̶̶̶̶̷̶̴̸̸̷̷̴̷̴̷̷̸̵̸̵̷̶̸̵̸̵̵̵̷̶̶̶̸̴̷̷̶̸̴̵̸̵̷̴̷̷̶̷̴̴̴̸̶̷̶̷̷̷̷̶̷̶̵̵̴̸̶̷̶̶̸̶̶̵̵̷̸̵̵̵̶̶̴̷̸̶̴̴̶̷̸̵̸̴̵̴̸̸̷̷̶̵̶̷̸̷̷̴̷̷̵̸̸̷̸̶̸̷̵̸̴̷̸̴̸̵̶̶̷̵̸̨̨̢̨̧̧̧̧̡̡̨̢̢̢̡̢̨̡̨̡̨̢̨̨̢̨̨̨̧̧̛̛̛̛̛̛̛̝̗̝̬̰̱͇̹̻̲̯͇̱̲̜̩͇͕͓̣͎͇̲̥̞̤̭̝̟̪̮̖͓̰̱̞͔̟͔̠͖̻̮̩̳̖̥͕͔̳̠̫̰̤͈̹̳̜̭̼̲͍̭̙͚̳̩̩̲͎̤̪͙̘̬̜̹̙̪̥̜͕̖̬̮͉͚̩̳͈̣̪̤̩̦͉͓̙̳̭͓̫̜̟̯̹͍͎̰̰̱͍̫̞̙͉͍͙̝̜͈̤͇̗̝͈͉̹̙̳̘̪͎̼͕̠̭̞̥̹̳̫̺͎͚̞̮̣̫̻̪͔͎̗̻̱͔̞͖̖̜̠̯̥͚͕̲̝̤̙̹̤͍̟͇̹̲̩͈̤̭͚̯͕̜̜̭̭̦̲̰̦͖̘̗̤̱͔̯̟͇̤̮̱̫̫̦̼̻̣̗̬̗̼̠͈̠̙͖̟̗̻͇̰̖̥̱͙̣̞̯͍̭̮͕̭͕͎̤̥̭̤͙̬̺̯͉̬̬̝̣̗͚̞͙͉̼̮̘̱̘̼̘̹͕̪̦͍̝̜̝̜̰͉̪̮̭͍̺͔͖̺̙̲̪̮̫̙͍̜̯̮̝̲͉̤̪͈̘̜̮̤̮̯̜͉̦͗͆̂̓̿̀͐̈́̅̓̀͊͊̉̇̎͛̍̓̇͛́̐͊̈́̍̉͐̐̆̅́̈́͊̐̓̄̑̍͒͑̊̓̆̆̉̾́͒͛͛͐̋͑̋̈́̈́́̈̀̌̑̒̌̆̐̀͌̄̈́̈̂͑͂̐̎̐̃̂́͂̊̏͆͋͊̑̄̇̄̽̀̅͐̅̍̋̄̃́̉̐̑͗̒́̾̂̌̏̊̅̇̏͊̽͗͗̆͐͂́̋͑̽̄̃͑̒̔̀̆̈̀̾̄̇͂̍͂̈͛̓̾̉̄̀̂̂̅̃̔͒͊̑͒̈́͆͐̅̈́́͑̍͗͑̽̈́̀́͐͑̄̉͒̃̈́͑͒́̍̒̇́̾́̆̍͊́̎͒́͛͋͊̆̓̓̑͊͂̊̽̌̈̅̊͋̌̉͗̉͆̒́͊͆̿̈́̒̋́̄̍̊̀̍́̂̍̾̔̀́̎͊͊̀̎̈́̋̆̅̈́̈́̓͆̊͒̅͂̈̑́̋̆̆͑͛̐̐͂̎̈́̎͒̐̉̈́͛̈́̒̃̈́́̀͒̀̄͋̓́̐̐͘̕̚͘̚͘͘͘͘͘̕̕̕̕͘͘̚̚͘̕̕̚͘̕͜͜͜͜͜͜͜͠͝͠͠͠͠͝͠͝͝͠͠͝͠͝͠͝͝͠͠͠͝͠͠͠͝͝ͅͅͅͅͅͅͅͅͅͅͅͅͅͅͅellowo

XxduckpigxX

65 posts

Joined February 2018

XxduckpigxX 2019-10-20T05:04:20+00:00

You can put them side by side and try to guess with your eyes.

Lights

683 posts

Joined December 2016

Topic Starter

Lights 2019-10-20T06:30:23+00:00

Yeah, im gathering that nobody has figured a solution out. osu!lazer and stepmania are both open source, it shouldnt be impossible to write a converter. Thats my new plan.

h̸̸̷̴̷̶̸̸̷̷̷̸̷̶̴̵̸̴̸̶̶̴̸̴̶̶̵̸̷̶̴̵̶̸̶̷̶̸̸̴̸̴̵̸̶̴̴̶̵̶̴̴̶̷̵̴̸̶̸̷̸̴̶̴̷̴̷̴̸̵̶̸̸̶̶̷̷̵̵̶̷̶̴̵̵̴̴̷̸̸̴̷̴̵̷̶̶̴̵̸̶̷̴̵̷̶̶̶̶̷̶̴̸̸̷̷̴̷̴̷̷̸̵̸̵̷̶̸̵̸̵̵̵̷̶̶̶̸̴̷̷̶̸̴̵̸̵̷̴̷̷̶̷̴̴̴̸̶̷̶̷̷̷̷̶̷̶̵̵̴̸̶̷̶̶̸̶̶̵̵̷̸̵̵̵̶̶̴̷̸̶̴̴̶̷̸̵̸̴̵̴̸̸̷̷̶̵̶̷̸̷̷̴̷̷̵̸̸̷̸̶̸̷̵̸̴̷̸̴̸̵̶̶̷̵̸̨̨̢̨̧̧̧̧̡̡̨̢̢̢̡̢̨̡̨̡̨̢̨̨̢̨̨̨̧̧̛̛̛̛̛̛̛̝̗̝̬̰̱͇̹̻̲̯͇̱̲̜̩͇͕͓̣͎͇̲̥̞̤̭̝̟̪̮̖͓̰̱̞͔̟͔̠͖̻̮̩̳̖̥͕͔̳̠̫̰̤͈̹̳̜̭̼̲͍̭̙͚̳̩̩̲͎̤̪͙̘̬̜̹̙̪̥̜͕̖̬̮͉͚̩̳͈̣̪̤̩̦͉͓̙̳̭͓̫̜̟̯̹͍͎̰̰̱͍̫̞̙͉͍͙̝̜͈̤͇̗̝͈͉̹̙̳̘̪͎̼͕̠̭̞̥̹̳̫̺͎͚̞̮̣̫̻̪͔͎̗̻̱͔̞͖̖̜̠̯̥͚͕̲̝̤̙̹̤͍̟͇̹̲̩͈̤̭͚̯͕̜̜̭̭̦̲̰̦͖̘̗̤̱͔̯̟͇̤̮̱̫̫̦̼̻̣̗̬̗̼̠͈̠̙͖̟̗̻͇̰̖̥̱͙̣̞̯͍̭̮͕̭͕͎̤̥̭̤͙̬̺̯͉̬̬̝̣̗͚̞͙͉̼̮̘̱̘̼̘̹͕̪̦͍̝̜̝̜̰͉̪̮̭͍̺͔͖̺̙̲̪̮̫̙͍̜̯̮̝̲͉̤̪͈̘̜̮̤̮̯̜͉̦͗͆̂̓̿̀͐̈́̅̓̀͊͊̉̇̎͛̍̓̇͛́̐͊̈́̍̉͐̐̆̅́̈́͊̐̓̄̑̍͒͑̊̓̆̆̉̾́͒͛͛͐̋͑̋̈́̈́́̈̀̌̑̒̌̆̐̀͌̄̈́̈̂͑͂̐̎̐̃̂́͂̊̏͆͋͊̑̄̇̄̽̀̅͐̅̍̋̄̃́̉̐̑͗̒́̾̂̌̏̊̅̇̏͊̽͗͗̆͐͂́̋͑̽̄̃͑̒̔̀̆̈̀̾̄̇͂̍͂̈͛̓̾̉̄̀̂̂̅̃̔͒͊̑͒̈́͆͐̅̈́́͑̍͗͑̽̈́̀́͐͑̄̉͒̃̈́͑͒́̍̒̇́̾́̆̍͊́̎͒́͛͋͊̆̓̓̑͊͂̊̽̌̈̅̊͋̌̉͗̉͆̒́͊͆̿̈́̒̋́̄̍̊̀̍́̂̍̾̔̀́̎͊͊̀̎̈́̋̆̅̈́̈́̓͆̊͒̅͂̈̑́̋̆̆͑͛̐̐͂̎̈́̎͒̐̉̈́͛̈́̒̃̈́́̀͒̀̄͋̓́̐̐͘̕̚͘̚͘͘͘͘͘̕̕̕̕͘͘̚̚͘̕̕̚͘̕͜͜͜͜͜͜͜͠͝͠͠͠͠͝͠͝͝͠͠͝͠͝͠͝͝͠͠͠͝͠͠͠͝͝ͅͅͅͅͅͅͅͅͅͅͅͅͅͅͅellowo

[ro]Nosteal

117 posts

Joined March 2016

[ro]Nosteal 2019-10-20T19:05:12+00:00

trivial problem that takes some time to fix honestly, just experiment around a bit until you find what you like

XxduckpigxX

65 posts

Joined February 2018

XxduckpigxX 2019-10-20T21:38:18+00:00

Quaver is open source as well btw

Bobbias

1,447 posts

Joined March 2011

Bobbias 2019-10-27T07:34:55+00:00

My suggestion is to treat them like different games. It's surprisingly easy to play with completely different settings between different games.

I play with a bar skin, column width of ~30 (varies between columns in 7k, which is my main mode), scroll speed 14 with FL mod, and downscroll in mania.

I play stepmania/etterna with arrows, upscroll, preferably a bit of mini, c1000-c1200, and no vision mods.

Looking for mods for my mania map Minori Chihara - Kyoukai no Kanata (TV Size).
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Lights

683 posts

Joined December 2016

Topic Starter

Lights 2019-10-27T08:24:03+00:00

Bobbias wrote:
My suggestion is to treat them like different games. It's surprisingly easy to play with completely different settings between different games.

I play with a bar skin, column width of ~30 (varies between columns in 7k, which is my main mode), scroll speed 14 with FL mod, and downscroll in mania.

I play stepmania/etterna with arrows, upscroll, preferably a bit of mini, c1000-c1200, and no vision mods.

But like... I'm bad at stepmania. And I'd rather blame it on my settings than git gud.

h̸̸̷̴̷̶̸̸̷̷̷̸̷̶̴̵̸̴̸̶̶̴̸̴̶̶̵̸̷̶̴̵̶̸̶̷̶̸̸̴̸̴̵̸̶̴̴̶̵̶̴̴̶̷̵̴̸̶̸̷̸̴̶̴̷̴̷̴̸̵̶̸̸̶̶̷̷̵̵̶̷̶̴̵̵̴̴̷̸̸̴̷̴̵̷̶̶̴̵̸̶̷̴̵̷̶̶̶̶̷̶̴̸̸̷̷̴̷̴̷̷̸̵̸̵̷̶̸̵̸̵̵̵̷̶̶̶̸̴̷̷̶̸̴̵̸̵̷̴̷̷̶̷̴̴̴̸̶̷̶̷̷̷̷̶̷̶̵̵̴̸̶̷̶̶̸̶̶̵̵̷̸̵̵̵̶̶̴̷̸̶̴̴̶̷̸̵̸̴̵̴̸̸̷̷̶̵̶̷̸̷̷̴̷̷̵̸̸̷̸̶̸̷̵̸̴̷̸̴̸̵̶̶̷̵̸̨̨̢̨̧̧̧̧̡̡̨̢̢̢̡̢̨̡̨̡̨̢̨̨̢̨̨̨̧̧̛̛̛̛̛̛̛̝̗̝̬̰̱͇̹̻̲̯͇̱̲̜̩͇͕͓̣͎͇̲̥̞̤̭̝̟̪̮̖͓̰̱̞͔̟͔̠͖̻̮̩̳̖̥͕͔̳̠̫̰̤͈̹̳̜̭̼̲͍̭̙͚̳̩̩̲͎̤̪͙̘̬̜̹̙̪̥̜͕̖̬̮͉͚̩̳͈̣̪̤̩̦͉͓̙̳̭͓̫̜̟̯̹͍͎̰̰̱͍̫̞̙͉͍͙̝̜͈̤͇̗̝͈͉̹̙̳̘̪͎̼͕̠̭̞̥̹̳̫̺͎͚̞̮̣̫̻̪͔͎̗̻̱͔̞͖̖̜̠̯̥͚͕̲̝̤̙̹̤͍̟͇̹̲̩͈̤̭͚̯͕̜̜̭̭̦̲̰̦͖̘̗̤̱͔̯̟͇̤̮̱̫̫̦̼̻̣̗̬̗̼̠͈̠̙͖̟̗̻͇̰̖̥̱͙̣̞̯͍̭̮͕̭͕͎̤̥̭̤͙̬̺̯͉̬̬̝̣̗͚̞͙͉̼̮̘̱̘̼̘̹͕̪̦͍̝̜̝̜̰͉̪̮̭͍̺͔͖̺̙̲̪̮̫̙͍̜̯̮̝̲͉̤̪͈̘̜̮̤̮̯̜͉̦͗͆̂̓̿̀͐̈́̅̓̀͊͊̉̇̎͛̍̓̇͛́̐͊̈́̍̉͐̐̆̅́̈́͊̐̓̄̑̍͒͑̊̓̆̆̉̾́͒͛͛͐̋͑̋̈́̈́́̈̀̌̑̒̌̆̐̀͌̄̈́̈̂͑͂̐̎̐̃̂́͂̊̏͆͋͊̑̄̇̄̽̀̅͐̅̍̋̄̃́̉̐̑͗̒́̾̂̌̏̊̅̇̏͊̽͗͗̆͐͂́̋͑̽̄̃͑̒̔̀̆̈̀̾̄̇͂̍͂̈͛̓̾̉̄̀̂̂̅̃̔͒͊̑͒̈́͆͐̅̈́́͑̍͗͑̽̈́̀́͐͑̄̉͒̃̈́͑͒́̍̒̇́̾́̆̍͊́̎͒́͛͋͊̆̓̓̑͊͂̊̽̌̈̅̊͋̌̉͗̉͆̒́͊͆̿̈́̒̋́̄̍̊̀̍́̂̍̾̔̀́̎͊͊̀̎̈́̋̆̅̈́̈́̓͆̊͒̅͂̈̑́̋̆̆͑͛̐̐͂̎̈́̎͒̐̉̈́͛̈́̒̃̈́́̀͒̀̄͋̓́̐̐͘̕̚͘̚͘͘͘͘͘̕̕̕̕͘͘̚̚͘̕̕̚͘̕͜͜͜͜͜͜͜͠͝͠͠͠͠͝͠͝͝͠͠͝͠͝͠͝͝͠͠͠͝͠͠͠͝͝ͅͅͅͅͅͅͅͅͅͅͅͅͅͅͅellowo

Connormgs

16 posts

Joined May 2013

Connormgs 2019-11-29T21:32:07+00:00

Lights wrote:
Bobbias wrote:
My suggestion is to treat them like different games. It's surprisingly easy to play with completely different settings between different games.

I play with a bar skin, column width of ~30 (varies between columns in 7k, which is my main mode), scroll speed 14 with FL mod, and downscroll in mania.

I play stepmania/etterna with arrows, upscroll, preferably a bit of mini, c1000-c1200, and no vision mods.

But like... I'm bad at stepmania. And I'd rather blame it on my settings than git gud.

If you're bad at stepmania you're gonna be worse at osumania since it has tighter timing windows, timed hold releases and it just doesn't feel great to play coming from stepmania. Another issues is five different skins will completely different to play with compared to a change like a noteskin in stepmania.

Last edited by Connormgs 2019-11-29T21:33:13+00:00, edited 2 times in total.

NightNarumi

254 posts

Joined May 2014

NightNarumi 2019-12-04T00:04:43+00:00

Connormgs wrote:
If you're bad at stepmania you're gonna be worse at osumania

I completely disagree with this as I am absolutely useless in stepmania because of the skinning.
I hit a consistent +70ms no matter what I change (skin, scrollspeed, hitposition, offset).

Lights

683 posts

Joined December 2016

Topic Starter

Lights 2019-12-04T02:28:04+00:00

Connormgs wrote:
Lights wrote:
Bobbias wrote:
My suggestion is to treat them like different games. It's surprisingly easy to play with completely different settings between different games.

I play with a bar skin, column width of ~30 (varies between columns in 7k, which is my main mode), scroll speed 14 with FL mod, and downscroll in mania.

I play stepmania/etterna with arrows, upscroll, preferably a bit of mini, c1000-c1200, and no vision mods.

But like... I'm bad at stepmania. And I'd rather blame it on my settings than git gud.

If you're bad at stepmania you're gonna be worse at osumania since it has tighter timing windows, timed hold releases and it just doesn't feel great to play coming from stepmania. Another issues is five different skins will completely different to play with compared to a change like a noteskin in stepmania.

im a 21.5 on etterna and i have 5500pp on osu!mania, you make your own judgement about which game im better or worse at. though i'd consider myself to be better on osu

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