That one.0_o wrote:
I'm guessing there was no nightkill because Makar anticipated this and didn't want to take the risk.
Why did you assume that this was the only course of action that took place?
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Why did you assume that this was the only course of action that took place?
I didn't assume anything; I just said what I think is the most likely scenario. If you're asking why I think that, then here:NoHitter wrote:
That one.0_o wrote:
I'm guessing there was no nightkill because Makar anticipated this and didn't want to take the risk.
Why did you assume that this was the only course of action that took place?
In case it isn't clear, one of Makar and me are definitely mafia since nobody hammered us when we voted for eachother yesterday. Thus, I know Makar is mafia and he "knows" I am mafia.
So last night, Makar had 3 nightkill options: Me, Lincolm, and Nyquill. Nyquill is bulletproof, so can't kill him unless Makar's a strongman. He wouldn't kill me, since he knows I'm the only other possible mafia so my death would be his own death sentence. So Lincolm is the only one Makar would be able to kill without screwing himself over. This is public knowledge, and I assume everyone was aware of this. (Well there, I guess did assume something after all
)Thing is, he knew that I'm a bus driver. Based on the above information, I think it's very safe to say that Makar knew that I knew who his only possible target was, and that I would try to throw his kill back at him.
Now sure, something else could have happened, and if you have a better possible explanation then be my guest. But I really don't think I made any "big assumptions" here.
That really is a huge assumption there, but you are not realizing something that I didnt think of when I brought up the thing about us not being hammered. I can't use that to prove you are mafia anymore. I'll explain why below.
To be honest, I did not think foulcoon was mafia (I though it was nyquill/faceman, but I was proven wrong and shouldnt be so stupid to look over foulcoon's claim and inactivity as a factor). Because of this, the reason why nobody was hammered (if you really are town) is because (I am assuming) of something I said before:
Mafia can either choose to use their role or kill at night right? So if faceman is a mafia bus and he swapped, that would explain there being no kill last night.
Lincolm should post what his result was.
To be honest, I did not think foulcoon was mafia (I though it was nyquill/faceman, but I was proven wrong and shouldnt be so stupid to look over foulcoon's claim and inactivity as a factor). Because of this, the reason why nobody was hammered (if you really are town) is because (I am assuming) of something I said before:
foulcoon is inactive, so there was most likely miscommunication. I do not want to believe faceman is mafia simply because of him not being hammered anymore because of this. However, he is making a huge assumption and so he is suspicious to me because of that instead.Makar wrote:
Unless mafia are having serious problems with communicating, then going by the assumption there are 2 mafia, not being hammered yet should tell you something.
Mafia can either choose to use their role or kill at night right? So if faceman is a mafia bus and he swapped, that would explain there being no kill last night.
Lincolm should post what his result was.
For heaven's sake I really thought my dumbsickness happen! Because I wanted to watch myself but not allowed so I change to watch Makar. And the result I watch myself! I think of this for 2 hours until I read your post!0_o wrote:
I swapped Makar and Lincolm last night.
I think that there confirms faceman more or less. Unless mafia can have bus drivers?
OK. Seeing our role :Rantai wrote:
I think that there confirms faceman more or less. Unless mafia can have bus drivers?
1 Bomb
1 Doctor
1 Watcher
2 1-shot BP
1 Mafia Roleblocker
Assume 0_o as the mafia with bus-driver role. I don't think I can do something with this role as mafia...
confirms 0_o less I think.
If Makar is mafia, this is also kind of plan to make the other people sure that "we are not working together". So yes, this is to make distance from his scumbuddy.Rantai wrote:
If you look back now, foulcoon was going pretty hard on Makar. Knowing he is mafia, do you think that indicates that he was trying to defend his scumbuddy by painting another or distancing himself from his scumbuddy?
I believe Nyquill 99% town-side. Before he vote foulcoon, he vote Makar. If he mafia, he should not change this vote, so in the N2 roleblock 0_o and game over, mafia win.
After reading faceman's argument, I more or less agree that Makar looks like the last scum now.
Not to mention foulcoon attempted to scumpaint him and Rantai Day 1, which makes him look more townie now.
Not to mention foulcoon attempted to scumpaint him and Rantai Day 1, which makes him look more townie now.
To me its more like foulcoon was trying to agree with faceman to get me lynched :/
Nyquill seems town to me now. If Nyquill was mafia, I wouldnt expect him to think of the whole scenario faceman brought up and not kill at night so that me or faceman is suspicious.
I see two possibilities here:
1. facemans scenerio, saying that I expected he would bus me.
2. faceman used his role instead of a kill.
And really, If I were mafia, I probably wouldnt of been afraid to kill faceman since the hammering thing (which is the only evidence I had against him) would be invalid because of foulcoon. I would still be able to paint Nyquill I guess, but things didnt happen that way. Nyquill is town to me because of the complex thinking required from nyquill if he really were mafia. it just doesn't seem likely to me.
And so, before I make my vote, it would be nice to hear of any other possibilities that could of happened last night.
Nyquill seems town to me now. If Nyquill was mafia, I wouldnt expect him to think of the whole scenario faceman brought up and not kill at night so that me or faceman is suspicious.
I see two possibilities here:
1. facemans scenerio, saying that I expected he would bus me.
2. faceman used his role instead of a kill.
And really, If I were mafia, I probably wouldnt of been afraid to kill faceman since the hammering thing (which is the only evidence I had against him) would be invalid because of foulcoon. I would still be able to paint Nyquill I guess, but things didnt happen that way. Nyquill is town to me because of the complex thinking required from nyquill if he really were mafia. it just doesn't seem likely to me.
And so, before I make my vote, it would be nice to hear of any other possibilities that could of happened last night.
Would you like to share more options?0_o wrote:
Now sure, something else could have happened
So I assume if Makar is mafia so :Makar wrote:
And so, before I make my vote, it would be nice to hear of any other possibilities that could of happened last night.
1> Makar is godfather mafia, cannot be killed in night. Makar target me, but swapped.
2> Tried to kill Nyquill, but BP used.
3> Makar not target anybody.
I assume if 0_o is mafia so :
1> Tried Nyquill, but BP used.
2> Tried Makar, but BP used.
3> 0_o not target anybody.
Any other scenario?
Edit : Bad grammar
EBWOP analyze for the scenario here :
We know the mafia between Makar and 0_o so :
If Makar is mafia :
1> There is bomb role, that I don't think there is godfather mafia. What bomb role do if both mafia can disable the bomb? Strike this possibility.
2> There is possibility about this. Need Nyquill confirmation.
3> The most likely happen.
If 0_o is mafia :
1> He swap Makar and me. He have 33% to can prove he is bus-driver, 33% discovered as mafia. To make sure BP used.
2> He swap Makar and me. He targeted me to solve this. He have 33% to can prove he is bus-driver, 33% discovered as mafia, 33% cannot be proved. Almost likely not happen, immediately expected as mafia if BP not used. Strike this possibility.
3> Dunno why this happen. Another analyze please.
We know the mafia between Makar and 0_o so :
If Makar is mafia :
1> There is bomb role, that I don't think there is godfather mafia. What bomb role do if both mafia can disable the bomb? Strike this possibility.
2> There is possibility about this. Need Nyquill confirmation.
3> The most likely happen.
If 0_o is mafia :
1> He swap Makar and me. He have 33% to can prove he is bus-driver, 33% discovered as mafia. To make sure BP used.
2> He swap Makar and me. He targeted me to solve this. He have 33% to can prove he is bus-driver, 33% discovered as mafia, 33% cannot be proved. Almost likely not happen, immediately expected as mafia if BP not used. Strike this possibility.
3> Dunno why this happen. Another analyze please.
Sorry Lincolm but your english is slightly confusing and I'm not sure what you are saying exactly, any way you can reword it or something?
EDIT: Since its pretty much agreed on now that its me or faceman:
Vote: 0_o
For reasons see previous post, should be obvious why I think he is mafia.
EDIT: Since its pretty much agreed on now that its me or faceman:
Vote: 0_o
For reasons see previous post, should be obvious why I think he is mafia.
Sorry, bad grammar...
So there is 2 possibility , Makar or 0_o, not both.
Makar is mafia with 3 scenario in N2 :
1> Makar is mafia godfather. Cannot be killed at night. Makar target me, but it swapped. This explain why no one died. But, there is Rantai who have bomb role. If both mafia can roleblock, what bomb role does? Almost likely this scenario not happened. If Makar the mafia, he is Mafia Goon.
2> Makar tried to kill Nyquill, but bulletproof used. Need Nyquill confirmation to prove this can be happen.
3> Makar don't do anything.
0_o is mafia with 3 scenario in N2 :
1> 0_o tried to kill Nyquill, but bulletproof used. Need Nyquill confirmation also.
2> 0_o tried to kill Makar, but bulletproof used. Almost likely this scenario not happened. If Makar died, 0_o going to be lynched in Day 3.
3> 0_o don't do anything.
The reason why 0_o not kill me because both of them bulletproof. He should know bulletproof already used or 1 of them died.
When he tried to kill someone with bulletproof, he must know I don't watch him.
But still... Killing me is the best option in those "0_o as mafia" 's scenario.
So there is 2 possibility , Makar or 0_o, not both.
Makar is mafia with 3 scenario in N2 :
1> Makar is mafia godfather. Cannot be killed at night. Makar target me, but it swapped. This explain why no one died. But, there is Rantai who have bomb role. If both mafia can roleblock, what bomb role does? Almost likely this scenario not happened. If Makar the mafia, he is Mafia Goon.
2> Makar tried to kill Nyquill, but bulletproof used. Need Nyquill confirmation to prove this can be happen.
3> Makar don't do anything.
0_o is mafia with 3 scenario in N2 :
1> 0_o tried to kill Nyquill, but bulletproof used. Need Nyquill confirmation also.
2> 0_o tried to kill Makar, but bulletproof used. Almost likely this scenario not happened. If Makar died, 0_o going to be lynched in Day 3.
3> 0_o don't do anything.
The reason why 0_o not kill me because both of them bulletproof. He should know bulletproof already used or 1 of them died.
When he tried to kill someone with bulletproof, he must know I don't watch him.
But still... Killing me is the best option in those "0_o as mafia" 's scenario.
I was not informed of bulletproof being used, so im guessing I was not targeted for a kill last night. Posting my thoughts when I get home.
Actually, you have to remember that roleblocker has to actually TARGET the person for the block to take effect. Remember that the bomb is a PASSIVE role.Lincolm wrote:
1> Makar is mafia godfather. Cannot be killed at night. Makar target me, but it swapped. This explain why no one died. But, there is Rantai who have bomb role. If both mafia can roleblock, what bomb role does? Almost likely this scenario not happened. If Makar the mafia, he is Mafia Goon.
This could still be a possibility.
Lincolm, when you said you watched makar, I'm guessing that you can confirm faceman with that.
Everything leans towards makar right now. His refusal to vote foulcoon, his terrible post-hammer attempt to look town, the fact that faceman is pretty much confirmed, AND the fact that he claimed a SECOND BP townie. Unless lincolm is some sort of master of looking town as mafia, it is pretty much done. So I'm going to go ahead and Vote: Makar.
AND NOW HERES THE CLINCHER:
If faceman was scum and he targeted makar for the kill, makar would have been notified that his bulletproof has been used. If he is town, HE WOULD HAVE CLAIMED THAT THE FIRST THING TODAY. There is absolutely NO REASON for holding it in as a secret.
This is because lincolm should have seen faceman targeting makar. If he is scum, he would have targeted him for the kill and failed. BUT. Makar failed to say that his bp has been used. This is no longer possible.
Actually I'm not sure how watcher PMs are sent. Are you informed of both targets?
Sigh just because the bus role was used doesn't mean he is confirmed.
Nyquill, you are really assuming that I am stupid lol. Do you seriously think that I would do all of that as mafia? Second BP would be a risk, post-hammer (as you said) would be so stupid to say as mafia. I refused to vote foulcoon so quickly because I wanted to be safe due to the chance of him being town and lack of evidence.
Why would I get a notification that my BP was used when faceman clearly said he bused? Lincolm didnt target faceman, so why should that be seen? Do you not see that faceman used the bus instead of a kill so that I could be targeted?
Nyquill, you are really assuming that I am stupid lol. Do you seriously think that I would do all of that as mafia? Second BP would be a risk, post-hammer (as you said) would be so stupid to say as mafia. I refused to vote foulcoon so quickly because I wanted to be safe due to the chance of him being town and lack of evidence.
Why would I get a notification that my BP was used when faceman clearly said he bused? Lincolm didnt target faceman, so why should that be seen? Do you not see that faceman used the bus instead of a kill so that I could be targeted?
Mod: Do you allow the use of scum power roles and allow the same guy to perform the kill?
You have to answer us this, because I've seen this go both ways and its bs if we aren't informed.
You have to answer us this, because I've seen this go both ways and its bs if we aren't informed.
uh, what? there was no kill or shot last night that we know of. Why ask if he can use both?
Makar wrote:
uh, what? there was no kill or shot last night that we know of. Why ask if he can use both?
Hi. You're BP. You forgot your own role. Congratulations.Makar wrote:
Why would I get a notification that my BP was used when faceman clearly said he bused? Lincolm didnt target faceman, so why should that be seen? Do you not see that faceman used the bus instead of a kill so that I could be targeted?
Again, I did not get any notification, and faceman said he bused, lincolm watched, and you are BP. I'm not seeing what you are getting at lol
What does me being BP have to do with any of this?
What does me being BP have to do with any of this?
Makar wrote:
Why would I get a notification that my BP was used when faceman clearly said he bused? Lincolm didnt target faceman, so why should that be seen? Do you not see that faceman used the bus instead of a kill so that I could be targeted?
Okay, by targeted I meant FoS. If faceman is mafia, he used his bus INSTEAD of trying to kill, which explains why neither of us got a notification and that lincolm confirmed the bus
So yeah, I still have no idea what you are trying to say.
I wouldnt get a notification of me being bussed, would I? From the description, it only says night kills.
So yeah, I still have no idea what you are trying to say.
I wouldnt get a notification of me being bussed, would I? From the description, it only says night kills.
I seriously cannot tell if you are trolling right now.Makar wrote:
Okay, by targeted I meant FoS. If faceman is mafia, he used his bus INSTEAD of trying to kill, which explains why neither of us got a notification and that lincolm confirmed the bus
So yeah, I still have no idea what you are trying to say.
If the remaining mafia can do both, then he wont need to do one INSTEAD of the other.
I swear one of us is derping because I am not trolling.
So, let me run this again: Neither of us got a notification, and lincolm is still alive and confirmed faceman's bus ability. If faceman is mafia, the bus was used and the fake assumption was made so that I would be FoS'd.
IF faceman could do both and he actually did both, one of us would of got a notification that we blocked a shot (which I didnt, and you didn't either, and lincolm would of died)
That is of course assuming we would actually get a notification, lol.
Mod: Do BPs get a notification about blocking a kill at night?
So, let me run this again: Neither of us got a notification, and lincolm is still alive and confirmed faceman's bus ability. If faceman is mafia, the bus was used and the fake assumption was made so that I would be FoS'd.
IF faceman could do both and he actually did both, one of us would of got a notification that we blocked a shot (which I didnt, and you didn't either, and lincolm would of died)
That is of course assuming we would actually get a notification, lol.
Mod: Do BPs get a notification about blocking a kill at night?
Topic Starter
yesNyquill wrote:
Mod: Do you allow the use of scum power roles and allow the same guy to perform the kill?
yesMakar wrote:
Mod: Do BPs get a notification about blocking a kill at night?
The deadline is in 74 hours.
So then, I go back to the idea that he did not night kill in order to try to get me Lynched easier :v nothing really changes
For day 1, it was telling me that 0_o was targeted by NoHitter.Nyquill wrote:
Actually I'm not sure how watcher PMs are sent. Are you informed of both targets?
For day 2, it was telling me that no one targeted me (this is not allowed, so it must be bus).
Vote : Makar
Makar wrote:
So then, I go back to the idea that he did not night kill in order to try to get me Lynched easier :v nothing really changes
If this happen, the survival are Nyquill and 0_o as mafia.
So... What happen in there if 1 town and 1 mafia left in here?
Oh lol theres the hammer. gg whoever won that.
I guess its my fault for looking so anti-town >.> sorry guys, I tried
So it was really 0_o with his mafia bus drive?
Honestly can't tell, but I assume so. I really am BP Townie.
Then I'm confused...
Mafia Bus Driver is a horrible? to questionable? role for this setup.
Well if it's really 0_o then gg.
Mafia Bus Driver is a horrible? to questionable? role for this setup.
Well if it's really 0_o then gg.
maybeNoHitter wrote:
So it was really 0_o with his mafia bus drive?
Nice job looking townie then.
I never really expected a mafia bus driver xD
I never really expected a mafia bus driver xD
For honest, I still FoS 0_o, but still, Makar have 2 votes, almost likely cannot be saved for this day. An ugly reason for voting eh? Unvote then.
Lincolm wrote:
Unvote
I can't? So well, stay at vote makar if I can't do that. Pray to Nyquill! 
I really sorry for my bad vote. I thought play in the last day is very exhausting, so I just let Nyquill go on. But yes, there is analyze why I not vote 0_o, I just FoS him.
Sorry to you foulcoon, I lynched you. Your last post make us know that your friend is 0_o.
Another mafia please?
I really sorry for my bad vote. I thought play in the last day is very exhausting, so I just let Nyquill go on. But yes, there is analyze why I not vote 0_o, I just FoS him.
Sorry to you foulcoon, I lynched you. Your last post make us know that your friend is 0_o.
Another mafia please?
Lincolm, your analysis was pretty good 
I just guess we were trapped within the "two bulletproofs is impossible" paradigm.
gg scum.
I just guess we were trapped within the "two bulletproofs is impossible" paradigm.
gg scum.
We still had 72 hours or so, I really think it could of waited lol.Lincolm wrote:
For honest, I still FoS 0_o, but still, Makar have 2 votes, almost likely cannot be saved for this day. An ugly reason for voting eh?
I kinda suck at defending myself though, so we might of lost even if you waited.
Topic Starter
Votecount:
Makar (3): 0_o, Nyquill, Lincolm
0_o (1): Makar
And so everyone decided that Makar had to be the last culprit. After all, how likely was it that two people would bring bulletproof vests with them to a dinner party of all things?
Makar - 1-shot Bulletproof Townie - Lynched D3
It is now Night 3. Everyone has 24 hours to send in their actions if they have any.
Makar (3): 0_o, Nyquill, Lincolm
0_o (1): Makar
And so everyone decided that Makar had to be the last culprit. After all, how likely was it that two people would bring bulletproof vests with them to a dinner party of all things?
Makar - 1-shot Bulletproof Townie - Lynched D3
It is now Night 3. Everyone has 24 hours to send in their actions if they have any.
Topic Starter
Everyone woke up to find Lincolm was missing. That is, Nyquill woke up to find Lincolm was missing. 0_o knew Lincolm would be missing. And Nyquill knew that 0_o knew that Lincolm would be missing. Nyquill also knew he was screwed.
Lincolm - Watcher - Nightkilled N3
Nyquill - 1-shot Bulletproof Townie - Endgamed
0_o - Mafia 2-shot Bus Driver
Then again, everyone comes back to life upon death anyway, so it's not like it even mattered. It seems the whole thing was a mind game. And everyone was left wondering how they knew which room was Rantai's way back when on D1, so it seems whoever set the mind game up succeeded.
Mafia wins!
Notes:
Lincolm - Watcher - Nightkilled N3
Nyquill - 1-shot Bulletproof Townie - Endgamed
0_o - Mafia 2-shot Bus Driver
Then again, everyone comes back to life upon death anyway, so it's not like it even mattered. It seems the whole thing was a mind game. And everyone was left wondering how they knew which room was Rantai's way back when on D1, so it seems whoever set the mind game up succeeded.
Mafia wins!
Notes:
- since 2:5 is way in mafia's favor I put a bomb and two bulletproofs on the town's side to make it more similar to 2:7. then town went and roleclaimed them all and made them useless ._.
- the roleblocker and bus driver were to prevent any sort of follow-the cop (even though there was no cop, just a watcher), which never happened anyway.
Topic Starter
oh oops, I knew I forgot something XD thanks 0_o
Well damn, never expected a mafia bus driver.
lol...foulcoon wrote:
i can't believe they actually believe that shit
Thanks for the compliment. I stuck at "Mafia Bus-Driver" paradigm. At least my FoS come to right place. Really gg scum.NoHitter wrote:
Lincolm, your analysis was pretty good
I just guess we were trapped within the "two bulletproofs is impossible" paradigm.
gg scum.
Yes, it was hard to proof that you wasn't mafia, and I stuck in there too.Makar wrote:
We still had 72 hours or so, I really think it could of waited lol.Lincolm wrote:
For honest, I still FoS 0_o, but still, Makar have 2 votes, almost likely cannot be saved for this day. An ugly reason for voting eh?
I kinda suck at defending myself though, so we might of lost even if you waited.
Makar wrote:
lol...foulcoon wrote:
i can't believe they actually believe that shit
Mafia bus driver. Well I guess theres a first for everything. Remember guys, what happens in mafia stays in mafia.
Topic Starter
I always thought mafia bus driver was quite common o-o//
quite possibly because I play IRC mafia more than anything else, and there was never once a mafia bus driver.0_o wrote:
The MafiaWiki says that it's a historically town role, but that they have been seen under either alignment.
I was a little surprised myself that the possibility of a mafia bus driver was mostly disregarded.
This was actually the first game I played with Mafia Bus Driver.