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Makar
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0_o wrote:

Lincolm wrote:

This leaves foul, Nyquill and Makar, thus three possible pairs: foul + Nyquill, foul + Makar, and Makar + Nyquill

This means that at least one of the BP townies is lying. Out of the two of them, I find the scenario of Nyquill being mafia while Makar being town to be fairly unlikely, since the odds of Nyquill making up that falseclaim before Makar legitimately claiming the same thing is pretty low.

So eliminating foul + Nyquill as the least possible combo, that leaves foul + Makar and Makar + Nyquill. Thus, [b]I am pretty sure that Makar is mafia.
I do agree having 2BP townies is pretty weird, why would I fake claim something like that if I were mafia? If (for example) the role was something more like a doctor it'd be as if I'm CCing, and it would be unsafe for me to purposely claim his role if I were mafia. The same kinda applies here as well :v
And I'm not sure why foul + Nyquill is the least possible combo to you tbh. Though I don't actually think they are the 2 mafia (assuming there is 2 mafia since it seems likely considering the roles here), I just don't see why you think its less possible or if you have a specific reason related to one of them.

Sigh being inactive on a forum mafia game sucks
Rantai
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I'd trust Lincolm too. Call it intuition.

I'm actually more inclined to suggest Nyquill just because he pushed so hard on my lynch without considering any alternatives.

"Oh look convenient claim, this should get by without suspicion"
Nyquill
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Rantai wrote:

I'd trust Lincolm too. Call it intuition.

I'm actually more inclined to suggest Nyquill just because he pushed so hard on my lynch without considering any alternatives.

"Oh look convenient claim, this should get by without suspicion"
Excuse me, you forgot that I did consider alternatives, and clearly warned makar that he's second on my list of ridiculously suspicious people. That all being said, why shouldnt I have voted you? Should I not be suspicious of a similarily easy day 1 doctor claim?
foulcoon
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Lincolm wrote:

NoHitter wrote:

What's your result Lincolm?
Well, I edit my message. Just wonder, I don't breaking any rules right? I don't want to be modkilled because I tell what the result is.
The result : VI IX VII
is there like a language barrier here or does Lincolm really not make any sense whatsoever. can anyone tell me what hes actually been saying int hese last few posts?

Rantai wrote:

I'd trust Lincolm too. Call it intuition.

I'm actually more inclined to suggest Nyquill just because he pushed so hard on my lynch without considering any alternatives.

"Oh look convenient claim, this should get by without suspicion"
true, but what are the odds he thought of a bulletproof townie fake claim before a legit one came around as Makar. Its more likely that Makar is mafia, or that both of them are mafia using the same claim.
Nyquill
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Some random speculation here:

Although there are fake claims within the claims we have right now, one thing is certain. Mafia has to have at least one role canceling power role. I'm assuming that mafia has a strongman, roleblocker, or both.
Nyquill
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With less than 24 hours on the clock, let me also put up whats on the table right now.

With 5 alive, 3 to lynch, likely 2 scum, we need all 3 town to agree with who is scum to vote.
Scum can hammer snipe if one town votes wrong.

Also, faceman probably didn't die because it would be an obvious target for a role canceler. I am now also guessing that mafia likely has a rolecop (with all the bombs and BP townies bus drivers doctors whatnot).
Rantai
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foulcoon wrote:

true, but what are the odds he thought of a bulletproof townie fake claim before a legit one came around as Makar. Its more likely that Makar is mafia, or that both of them are mafia using the same claim.
Fair point. Though if there is a rolecop then I don't know what to make of it.
0_o
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13 hours left, guys.

Makar wrote:

I do agree having 2BP townies is pretty weird, why would I fake claim something like that if I were mafia? If (for example) the role was something more like a doctor it'd be as if I'm CCing, and it would be unsafe for me to purposely claim his role if I were mafia. The same kinda applies here as well :v
It's not quite the same, since having 2 BP townies, while a little unorthodox, isn't completely unheard of nor out of the question; having duplicate power roles like Doctor, especially in a game this small, just wouldn't happen.
And I'm not sure why foul + Nyquill is the least possible combo to you tbh. Though I don't actually think they are the 2 mafia (assuming there is 2 mafia since it seems likely considering the roles here), I just don't see why you think its less possible or if you have a specific reason related to one of them.
It's because I don't think that the scenario of Nyquill being mafia and you being innocent seems likely (for the reasons I gave in that post, and that others have already posted), and in that scenario, the mafia pair has to be Nyqull + foul.

While it IS possible they rollcop'd Makar last night and stole his roleclaim, based on the limited information we have, I still believe he is still the most likely mafia candidate at this point. So I'm going to take the plunge and vote Makar.
Makar
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0_o wrote:

13 hours left, guys.

Makar wrote:

I do agree having 2BP townies is pretty weird, why would I fake claim something like that if I were mafia? If (for example) the role was something more like a doctor it'd be as if I'm CCing, and it would be unsafe for me to purposely claim his role if I were mafia. The same kinda applies here as well :v
It's not quite the same, since having 2 BP townies, while a little unorthodox, isn't completely unheard of nor out of the question; having duplicate power roles like Doctor, especially in a game this small, just wouldn't happen.
My point is that it is unsafe to do so and you have proven that by voting for me. I knew that I would be fos'd but what can I do about that? Lie about my role? It still doesn't make sense to me.

0_o wrote:

While it IS possible they rollcop'd Makar last night and stole his roleclaim, based on the limited information we have, I still believe he is still the most likely mafia candidate at this point.

Wow, I didn't even think of this, I figured it was just a regular claim (there could actually be 2BP Townies) or a regular fakeclaim that somebody else happened to have lol

0_o wrote:

So I'm going to take the plunge and vote Makar.
Uh, did you not see this?

Nyquill wrote:

With 5 alive, 3 to lynch, likely 2 scum, we need all 3 town to agree with who is scum to vote.
Scum can hammer snipe if one town votes wrong.
Well I guess if there are two mafia and I'm not hammered, then faceman is mafia in my eyes since I'm town.

EDIT: About 10 hours left. If I'm not hammered and faceman is mafia, mafia will still win since I was voted first. This whole thing is very suspicious to me, so because of that: Vote: faceman
So it's up to the rest of town to decide (hoping they see this in time)
pieguyn
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Votecount:

Makar (1): 0_o
0_o (1): Makar

oops sorry, I was supposed to post a warning when there were just 24 hours left, but I forgot. so to make up for it, day has been extended by 24 hours.

The deadline is in 25 hours.
0_o
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0_o
Seriously guys? Is anyone actually playing this game?
NoHitter
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... I don't think so.
I can't even say "Either Makar or faceman is Mafia" since it could be because the lack of voting is mafia being inactive.
Rantai
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Well seeing as trying to get some discussion going gets you lynched....
NoHitter
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Well then let the dead people start the discussion!
/me points at Rantai.

On a more serious note:
Lincolm - most likely town because of role and confirmed knowledge
0_o - willing to trust because of early claim
Makar - suspicious due to double BP claim with Nyquill.
Nyquill - suspicious due to double BP claim with Makar.
foulcoon - null read. VT claim looks like a "safe" claim after everyone else claim a PR. I wouldn't put it past pieguy to make a role madness game where everyone is a PR.
Nyquill
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Unless Lincolm and faceman are pulling off some really good claims, I think the possibilities are limited to me, foulcoon, and makar.

So let me eliminate one of those combinations (from the general prospective, not my PoV,) right away. Me and makar would be impossible (or ridiculously stupid) because both of us claiming the same thing would be raising suspicion.

That leaves me and foulcoon, and foulcoon and makar.

I know myself to be a 1-shot bulletproof townie. So from my PoV I am pretty sure that foulcoon and Makar are BOTH scum.

Two things I can point out is that foulcoon claimed vanilla townie LAST. I am pretty sure its because he wanted to see if lincolm watched his target at night, so to not reveal his real identity. Secondly, makar, provided a less than mediocre first day contribution, and that his reasoning is flawed for his defence.

Makar wrote:

My point is that it is unsafe to do so and you have proven that by voting for me. I knew that I would be fos'd but what can I do about that? Lie about my role? It still doesn't make sense to me.
No, it is lylo, you can be easily faking a counter claim in an attempt to get me lynched. Your one sided thinking leads me to believe that you are trying really hard to look town.

And also, I'm pretty sure we can say one of makar and faceman is scum, because scum would definately be more interested in this. Inactivity is what they want in the town, so they would be lurking. Just so happens that foulcoon and makar have both been lurking quite extensively besides that vote from foulcoon day 1. They would be here to hammer snipe for one of them.

So here goes nothing. Vote: Makar
Lincolm
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foulcoon wrote:

there like a language barrier here
I'm the one who do the barrier lol. I like code like that.

foulcoon wrote:

what are the odds he thought of a bulletproof townie fake claim
Errr... I don't FoS BP townie... Because I think they both honest.


So here my analyze : (Not sorry for long post! :lol: )

NoHitter wrote:

0_o - willing to trust because of early claim
But still, if this role is a fake role (which he write up), I can claim as early as I can.

NoHitter wrote:

foulcoon - null read. VT claim looks like a "safe" claim after everyone else claim a PR. I wouldn't put it past pieguy to make a role madness game where everyone is a PR.
This is why I believe he is a mafia. He doesn't defend of his claim also, like saying "I never be suspected, they are busy enough to not suspect me". This role is the safest and the most suspicious role.

NoHitter wrote:

Nyquill - suspicious due to double BP claim with Makar.
Because there is 2 people who claim this, I believe Nyquill in here because he claim first, except there is mafia like a cop, who can seeing another people role.

NoHitter wrote:

Makar - suspicious due to double BP claim with Nyquill.
As mafia, I don't think I will claim the same role like Nyquill. Seeing the first day vote like that, without no defense Rantai can give, I won't claim the same role except Makar is honest, except he is truly gambling mafia. This is why I believe him.
If they are mafias, they already write up the role in beginning to answer the roleclaim, so if 1 of them are died, there is still 1 mafia alive without suspected. This is really crazy, almost-likely not happen...

I don't find any again. All above just my analyze.

So here the roleclaim list (I sort in who claim it first):
0_o - 1-shot Bus Driver
Nyquill - 1-shot Bulletproof
Makar - 1-shot Bulletproof
Lincolm - Watcher
foulcoon - Village Townie
Nyquill
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Lincolm wrote:

NoHitter wrote:

foulcoon - null read. VT claim looks like a "safe" claim after everyone else claim a PR. I wouldn't put it past pieguy to make a role madness game where everyone is a PR.
This is why I believe he is a mafia. He doesn't defend of his claim also, like saying "I never be suspected, they are busy enough to not suspect me". This role is the safest and the most suspicious role.
Wait wait wait you're right. In BOTH CASES regardless of faceman or makar being scum, and me or makar being scum, foulcoon is in BOTH those equations.

Unvote

Holding on to my vote for a second, I need to think this through again.
Lincolm
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Another (late) analyze

Based on first day post:

1 day history :
1> Nyquill vote Makar, unvoted - it's clear Nyquill + Makar impossible to happen (Day 2 this happen also)
2> 0_o vote Makar - Day 2 they fight each other so 1 of them mafia.
3> foulcoon vote Rantai
4> Nyquill vote Rantai
- foulcoon + Nyquill almost not possible. 2 mafia vote same people in day 1? this would make them suspicious. I like to say 1 of them mafia.

This mafias condition make this possibility :
0_o + foulcoon
0_o + Nyquill
Makar + foulcoon

0_o wrote:

I do agree that Rantai's claim is incredibly convenient. It seems a little odd that someone with a role that benefits from the mafia being unaware of their role is this first one to suggest and start a mass claim.
(This quote is a reply of foulcoon vote and this is before Nyquill vote Rantai)
I wonder why 0_o not change his vote even though he suspect Rantai more than Makar. Seems he do this like said "I don't want vote the same people with foulcoon, because this make me and foulcoon become suspected"

So this is why I still on my FoS.

By the way, if you don't trust the answer of my watching in day 1, you can add me in the mafias condition, but yes, the result of my watching is NoHitter (as doctor).
Lincolm
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EBWOP : Vote : foulcoon

Still FoS : 0_o
Makar
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0_o - most likely mafia to me, seeing as I was voted for so easily without a very strong reason. Also, I have not been hammered yet.
Nyquill - suspecious to me simply because of the BP townie claim, but also because of the quickvote/unvote/failing to realize what he said about foulcoon.
Lincolm - seem pretty town to me
foulcool - null for now

EDIT: @Lincolm, please remember that a wrong vote could be hammered. I don't think its safe to vote foulcoon yet.
Really I think you guys should consider me/faceman more. Unless mafia are having serious problems with communicating, then going by the assumption there are 2 mafia, not being hammered yet should tell you something.

foulcoon please contribute your thoughts orz
Nyquill
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Makar wrote:

Nyquill - suspecious to me simply because of the BP townie claim, but also because of the quickvote/unvote/failing to realize what he said about foulcoon.
You're funny.

I'm saying that in the case that you are not scum, foulcoon has to be scum either way. I simply did not vote him yet because adding someone into the vote pool makes it 3 that can be potentially quick hammered. I needed to think about whether or not potentially other scum teams exist.

But you know what? Now that lincolm has voted him, and I don't see scum trying to hammer him in, you know what I'm going to do?

Vote: Foulcoon
For the reasons stated in my previous post. No matter what the scum team is, foulcoon is in ALL of them.
pieguyn
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Votecount:

foulcoon (2): Lincolm, Nyquill
Makar (1): 0_o
0_o (1): Makar

The deadline is in 7 hours and 18 minutes.
Lincolm
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Makar wrote:

Lincolm, please remember that a wrong vote could be hammered. I don't think its safe to vote foulcoon yet. Really I think you guys should consider me/faceman more.
I don't see the danger could be hammered if we could prove that we are not scum. And also, my role is as danger as bomb, cop, and bus-driver. I don't think I would survive in this night. We both know 1 of you are mafia, but still unclear.

OK this is why the reason I don't vote both of you :
If 0_o really bus driver, we still have a change to bus mafia in night 2, and we know he will drive you, except you are mafia godfather. If he don't use his bus drive, we know he mafia.
If you really BP, it means the last mafia will only looking for me, the one who can't save herself.
If he don't after me, this is kind of 33/66, i must find the mafia after for.

So in this case, we better case the other mafia. With only 1 mafia between Nyquill, foulcoon, and me, (of course I not vote myself), I found foulcoon is the most suspicious in here as mafia. We still have a change to win if we find the other mafia.

By the way, I don't know why consider you and 0_o is better. Surprisingly you trying to save foulcoon in this time...

Edit : I hate dopost so better edit...
I will fell guilty if Nyquill really Mafia Cop or got lucky with his fakeclaim...
0_o
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Lincolm wrote:

1> Nyquill vote Makar, unvoted - it's clear Nyquill + Makar impossible to happen (Day 2 this happen also)
I'm pretty sure Nyquill didn't vote Makar Day 1?

Lincolm wrote:

0_o wrote:

I do agree that Rantai's claim is incredibly convenient. It seems a little odd that someone with a role that benefits from the mafia being unaware of their role is this first one to suggest and start a mass claim.
(This quote is a reply of foulcoon vote and this is before Nyquill vote Rantai)
I wonder why 0_o not change his vote even though he suspect Rantai more than Makar. Seems he do this like said "I don't want vote the same people with foulcoon, because this make me and foulcoon become suspected"
I thought we were massclaiming that day; I was waiting for everyone else to roleclaim before making a vote. By the time it was determined that we weren't, Rantai already had 2 votes on him so there really wasn't a point to throwing another one on.

Anyway, since I am pretty much positive that Makar is mafia, and he didn't hammer foul, that means that foul has to be mafia, so...

vote foul.

*crosses fingers*
Makar
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Lincolm wrote:

By the way, I don't know why consider you and 0_o is better. Surprisingly you trying to save foulcoon in this time...
I said this because it is certain that (in your point of view) one of us is mafia, while we had nothing to prove foul as mafia besides inactivity.
Meh we'll see what happens I guess.

If foul is town then we lose, and if foul is mafia I'll probably be painted because it seems like I defended him even though I was just trying to be safe and wanted to vote based on something that is fact instead of speculation
pieguyn
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Now everyone was suspicious of foulcoon. After all he went straight to his room after being trapped in the house, when they weren't supposed to be trapped in the first place, so he had to be a part of it, right?

foulcoon - Mafia Roleblocker - Lynched D2

It is now Night 2. All players with night actions have 24 hours to send in their actions.
pieguyn
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Everyone woke up expecting to find another person dead. But somehow, everything was as it was before!

No one died last night.

It is now Day 3. With 4 alive, it takes 3 to lynch. The deadline is in 96 hours.
0_o
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vote Makar

I swapped Makar and Lincolm last night.

I'm guessing there was no nightkill because Makar anticipated this and didn't want to take the risk.
Rantai
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Or maybe the mafia didn't take the shot because my-lo is better than ly-lo for them.

If you look back now, foulcoon was going pretty hard on Makar. Knowing he is mafia, do you think that indicates that he was trying to defend his scumbuddy by painting another or distancing himself from his scumbuddy?
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I want lincolm to say what he did first before I make my vote
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Makar wrote:

Lincolm wrote:

By the way, I don't know why consider you and 0_o is better. Surprisingly you trying to save foulcoon in this time...
I said this because it is certain that (in your point of view) one of us is mafia, while we had nothing to prove foul as mafia besides inactivity.
Meh we'll see what happens I guess.

If foul is town then we lose, and if foul is mafia I'll probably be painted because it seems like I defended him even though I was just trying to be safe and wanted to vote based on something that is fact instead of speculation
Honestly, I see this as a really bad last ditch effort to try to look town. But again, I'm waiting to see what lincolm says first.
NoHitter
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Nice one Lincolm! I thought about exactly what you said about foulcoon, but didn't bother to post it anymore.

At the moment, I'm more concerned about faceman's statement. He made pretty big assumptions in his post over there :/
Might as well go over foulcoon's statements and check who he distanced himself from. (Where is JInxy and his ISO when you need him :()
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NoHitter wrote:

At the moment, I'm more concerned about faceman's statement. He made pretty big assumptions in his post over there :/
What assumptions in what post?
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0_o wrote:

I'm guessing there was no nightkill because Makar anticipated this and didn't want to take the risk.
That one.

Why did you assume that this was the only course of action that took place?
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NoHitter wrote:

0_o wrote:

I'm guessing there was no nightkill because Makar anticipated this and didn't want to take the risk.
That one.

Why did you assume that this was the only course of action that took place?
I didn't assume anything; I just said what I think is the most likely scenario. If you're asking why I think that, then here:

In case it isn't clear, one of Makar and me are definitely mafia since nobody hammered us when we voted for eachother yesterday. Thus, I know Makar is mafia and he "knows" I am mafia.

So last night, Makar had 3 nightkill options: Me, Lincolm, and Nyquill. Nyquill is bulletproof, so can't kill him unless Makar's a strongman. He wouldn't kill me, since he knows I'm the only other possible mafia so my death would be his own death sentence. So Lincolm is the only one Makar would be able to kill without screwing himself over. This is public knowledge, and I assume everyone was aware of this. (Well there, I guess did assume something after all :P)

Thing is, he knew that I'm a bus driver. Based on the above information, I think it's very safe to say that Makar knew that I knew who his only possible target was, and that I would try to throw his kill back at him.

Now sure, something else could have happened, and if you have a better possible explanation then be my guest. But I really don't think I made any "big assumptions" here.
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That really is a huge assumption there, but you are not realizing something that I didnt think of when I brought up the thing about us not being hammered. I can't use that to prove you are mafia anymore. I'll explain why below.

To be honest, I did not think foulcoon was mafia (I though it was nyquill/faceman, but I was proven wrong and shouldnt be so stupid to look over foulcoon's claim and inactivity as a factor). Because of this, the reason why nobody was hammered (if you really are town) is because (I am assuming) of something I said before:

Makar wrote:

Unless mafia are having serious problems with communicating, then going by the assumption there are 2 mafia, not being hammered yet should tell you something.
foulcoon is inactive, so there was most likely miscommunication. I do not want to believe faceman is mafia simply because of him not being hammered anymore because of this. However, he is making a huge assumption and so he is suspicious to me because of that instead.

Mafia can either choose to use their role or kill at night right? So if faceman is a mafia bus and he swapped, that would explain there being no kill last night.
Lincolm should post what his result was.
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0_o wrote:

I swapped Makar and Lincolm last night.
For heaven's sake I really thought my dumbsickness happen! Because I wanted to watch myself but not allowed so I change to watch Makar. And the result I watch myself! I think of this for 2 hours until I read your post!
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I think that there confirms faceman more or less. Unless mafia can have bus drivers?
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Rantai wrote:

I think that there confirms faceman more or less. Unless mafia can have bus drivers?
OK. Seeing our role :
1 Bomb
1 Doctor
1 Watcher
2 1-shot BP
1 Mafia Roleblocker
Assume 0_o as the mafia with bus-driver role. I don't think I can do something with this role as mafia...

confirms 0_o less I think.

Uh... if mafia have somekind of this role... why I don't be suspected with mafia having watcher role? I never thought of this one...

Rantai wrote:

If you look back now, foulcoon was going pretty hard on Makar. Knowing he is mafia, do you think that indicates that he was trying to defend his scumbuddy by painting another or distancing himself from his scumbuddy?
If Makar is mafia, this is also kind of plan to make the other people sure that "we are not working together". So yes, this is to make distance from his scumbuddy.

I believe Nyquill 99% town-side. Before he vote foulcoon, he vote Makar. If he mafia, he should not change this vote, so in the N2 roleblock 0_o and game over, mafia win.
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After reading faceman's argument, I more or less agree that Makar looks like the last scum now.
Not to mention foulcoon attempted to scumpaint him and Rantai Day 1, which makes him look more townie now.
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To me its more like foulcoon was trying to agree with faceman to get me lynched :/

Nyquill seems town to me now. If Nyquill was mafia, I wouldnt expect him to think of the whole scenario faceman brought up and not kill at night so that me or faceman is suspicious.

I see two possibilities here:
1. facemans scenerio, saying that I expected he would bus me.
2. faceman used his role instead of a kill.

And really, If I were mafia, I probably wouldnt of been afraid to kill faceman since the hammering thing (which is the only evidence I had against him) would be invalid because of foulcoon. I would still be able to paint Nyquill I guess, but things didnt happen that way. Nyquill is town to me because of the complex thinking required from nyquill if he really were mafia. it just doesn't seem likely to me.

And so, before I make my vote, it would be nice to hear of any other possibilities that could of happened last night.

0_o wrote:

Now sure, something else could have happened
Would you like to share more options?
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Makar wrote:

And so, before I make my vote, it would be nice to hear of any other possibilities that could of happened last night.
So I assume if Makar is mafia so :
1> Makar is godfather mafia, cannot be killed in night. Makar target me, but swapped.
2> Tried to kill Nyquill, but BP used.
3> Makar not target anybody.

I assume if 0_o is mafia so :
1> Tried Nyquill, but BP used.
2> Tried Makar, but BP used.
3> 0_o not target anybody.

Any other scenario?

Edit : Bad grammar :|
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EBWOP analyze for the scenario here :

We know the mafia between Makar and 0_o so :

If Makar is mafia :
1> There is bomb role, that I don't think there is godfather mafia. What bomb role do if both mafia can disable the bomb? Strike this possibility.
2> There is possibility about this. Need Nyquill confirmation.
3> The most likely happen.

If 0_o is mafia :
1> He swap Makar and me. He have 33% to can prove he is bus-driver, 33% discovered as mafia. To make sure BP used.
2> He swap Makar and me. He targeted me to solve this. He have 33% to can prove he is bus-driver, 33% discovered as mafia, 33% cannot be proved. Almost likely not happen, immediately expected as mafia if BP not used. Strike this possibility.
3> Dunno why this happen. Another analyze please.
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Makar
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Sorry Lincolm but your english is slightly confusing and I'm not sure what you are saying exactly, any way you can reword it or something?

EDIT: Since its pretty much agreed on now that its me or faceman:

Vote: 0_o
For reasons see previous post, should be obvious why I think he is mafia.
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Sorry, bad grammar... :|

So there is 2 possibility , Makar or 0_o, not both.

Makar is mafia with 3 scenario in N2 :
1> Makar is mafia godfather. Cannot be killed at night. Makar target me, but it swapped. This explain why no one died. But, there is Rantai who have bomb role. If both mafia can roleblock, what bomb role does? Almost likely this scenario not happened. If Makar the mafia, he is Mafia Goon.
2> Makar tried to kill Nyquill, but bulletproof used. Need Nyquill confirmation to prove this can be happen.
3> Makar don't do anything.

0_o is mafia with 3 scenario in N2 :
1> 0_o tried to kill Nyquill, but bulletproof used. Need Nyquill confirmation also.
2> 0_o tried to kill Makar, but bulletproof used. Almost likely this scenario not happened. If Makar died, 0_o going to be lynched in Day 3.
3> 0_o don't do anything.
The reason why 0_o not kill me because both of them bulletproof. He should know bulletproof already used or 1 of them died.
When he tried to kill someone with bulletproof, he must know I don't watch him.
But still... Killing me is the best option in those "0_o as mafia" 's scenario.
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I was not informed of bulletproof being used, so im guessing I was not targeted for a kill last night. Posting my thoughts when I get home.
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Lincolm wrote:

1> Makar is mafia godfather. Cannot be killed at night. Makar target me, but it swapped. This explain why no one died. But, there is Rantai who have bomb role. If both mafia can roleblock, what bomb role does? Almost likely this scenario not happened. If Makar the mafia, he is Mafia Goon.
Actually, you have to remember that roleblocker has to actually TARGET the person for the block to take effect. Remember that the bomb is a PASSIVE role.
This could still be a possibility.

Lincolm, when you said you watched makar, I'm guessing that you can confirm faceman with that.

Everything leans towards makar right now. His refusal to vote foulcoon, his terrible post-hammer attempt to look town, the fact that faceman is pretty much confirmed, AND the fact that he claimed a SECOND BP townie. Unless lincolm is some sort of master of looking town as mafia, it is pretty much done. So I'm going to go ahead and Vote: Makar.

AND NOW HERES THE CLINCHER:
If faceman was scum and he targeted makar for the kill, makar would have been notified that his bulletproof has been used. If he is town, HE WOULD HAVE CLAIMED THAT THE FIRST THING TODAY. There is absolutely NO REASON for holding it in as a secret.

This is because lincolm should have seen faceman targeting makar. If he is scum, he would have targeted him for the kill and failed. BUT. Makar failed to say that his bp has been used. This is no longer possible.

Actually I'm not sure how watcher PMs are sent. Are you informed of both targets?
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Sigh just because the bus role was used doesn't mean he is confirmed.

Nyquill, you are really assuming that I am stupid lol. Do you seriously think that I would do all of that as mafia? Second BP would be a risk, post-hammer (as you said) would be so stupid to say as mafia. I refused to vote foulcoon so quickly because I wanted to be safe due to the chance of him being town and lack of evidence.

Why would I get a notification that my BP was used when faceman clearly said he bused? Lincolm didnt target faceman, so why should that be seen? Do you not see that faceman used the bus instead of a kill so that I could be targeted?
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Mod: Do you allow the use of scum power roles and allow the same guy to perform the kill?

You have to answer us this, because I've seen this go both ways and its bs if we aren't informed.
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uh, what? there was no kill or shot last night that we know of. Why ask if he can use both?
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Makar wrote:

uh, what? there was no kill or shot last night that we know of. Why ask if he can use both?

Makar wrote:

Why would I get a notification that my BP was used when faceman clearly said he bused? Lincolm didnt target faceman, so why should that be seen? Do you not see that faceman used the bus instead of a kill so that I could be targeted?
Hi. You're BP. You forgot your own role. Congratulations.
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Again, I did not get any notification, and faceman said he bused, lincolm watched, and you are BP. I'm not seeing what you are getting at lol

What does me being BP have to do with any of this?
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Makar wrote:

Why would I get a notification that my BP was used when faceman clearly said he bused? Lincolm didnt target faceman, so why should that be seen? Do you not see that faceman used the bus instead of a kill so that I could be targeted?
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Okay, by targeted I meant FoS. If faceman is mafia, he used his bus INSTEAD of trying to kill, which explains why neither of us got a notification and that lincolm confirmed the bus

So yeah, I still have no idea what you are trying to say.
I wouldnt get a notification of me being bussed, would I? From the description, it only says night kills.
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Makar wrote:

Okay, by targeted I meant FoS. If faceman is mafia, he used his bus INSTEAD of trying to kill, which explains why neither of us got a notification and that lincolm confirmed the bus

So yeah, I still have no idea what you are trying to say.
I seriously cannot tell if you are trolling right now.

If the remaining mafia can do both, then he wont need to do one INSTEAD of the other.
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I swear one of us is derping because I am not trolling.

So, let me run this again: Neither of us got a notification, and lincolm is still alive and confirmed faceman's bus ability. If faceman is mafia, the bus was used and the fake assumption was made so that I would be FoS'd.

IF faceman could do both and he actually did both, one of us would of got a notification that we blocked a shot (which I didnt, and you didn't either, and lincolm would of died)

That is of course assuming we would actually get a notification, lol.

Mod: Do BPs get a notification about blocking a kill at night?
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Nyquill wrote:

Mod: Do you allow the use of scum power roles and allow the same guy to perform the kill?
yes

Makar wrote:

Mod: Do BPs get a notification about blocking a kill at night?
yes

The deadline is in 74 hours.
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So then, I go back to the idea that he did not night kill in order to try to get me Lynched easier :v nothing really changes
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Nyquill wrote:

Actually I'm not sure how watcher PMs are sent. Are you informed of both targets?
For day 1, it was telling me that 0_o was targeted by NoHitter.
For day 2, it was telling me that no one targeted me (this is not allowed, so it must be bus).

Vote : Makar

Makar wrote:

So then, I go back to the idea that he did not night kill in order to try to get me Lynched easier :v nothing really changes

If this happen, the survival are Nyquill and 0_o as mafia.

So... What happen in there if 1 town and 1 mafia left in here?
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Oh lol theres the hammer. gg whoever won that.
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I guess its my fault for looking so anti-town >.> sorry guys, I tried
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So it was really 0_o with his mafia bus drive?
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Honestly can't tell, but I assume so. I really am BP Townie.
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Then I'm confused...
Mafia Bus Driver is a horrible? to questionable? role for this setup.
Well if it's really 0_o then gg.
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NoHitter wrote:

So it was really 0_o with his mafia bus drive?
maybe
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Nice job looking townie then.
I never really expected a mafia bus driver xD
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For honest, I still FoS 0_o, but still, Makar have 2 votes, almost likely cannot be saved for this day. An ugly reason for voting eh? Unvote then.
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Lincolm wrote:

Unvote
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I can't? So well, stay at vote makar if I can't do that. Pray to Nyquill! :lol:

I really sorry for my bad vote. I thought play in the last day is very exhausting, so I just let Nyquill go on. But yes, there is analyze why I not vote 0_o, I just FoS him. :|

Sorry to you foulcoon, I lynched you. Your last post make us know that your friend is 0_o. :lol:

Another mafia please? :lol:
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Lincolm, your analysis was pretty good :)
I just guess we were trapped within the "two bulletproofs is impossible" paradigm.
gg scum.
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Lincolm wrote:

For honest, I still FoS 0_o, but still, Makar have 2 votes, almost likely cannot be saved for this day. An ugly reason for voting eh?
We still had 72 hours or so, I really think it could of waited lol.

I kinda suck at defending myself though, so we might of lost even if you waited.
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Votecount:

Makar (3): 0_o, Nyquill, Lincolm
0_o (1): Makar

And so everyone decided that Makar had to be the last culprit. After all, how likely was it that two people would bring bulletproof vests with them to a dinner party of all things?

Makar - 1-shot Bulletproof Townie - Lynched D3

It is now Night 3. Everyone has 24 hours to send in their actions if they have any.
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Everyone woke up to find Lincolm was missing. That is, Nyquill woke up to find Lincolm was missing. 0_o knew Lincolm would be missing. And Nyquill knew that 0_o knew that Lincolm would be missing. Nyquill also knew he was screwed.

Lincolm - Watcher - Nightkilled N3

Nyquill - 1-shot Bulletproof Townie - Endgamed

0_o - Mafia 2-shot Bus Driver

Then again, everyone comes back to life upon death anyway, so it's not like it even mattered. It seems the whole thing was a mind game. And everyone was left wondering how they knew which room was Rantai's way back when on D1, so it seems whoever set the mind game up succeeded.

Mafia wins!

Notes:
  1. since 2:5 is way in mafia's favor I put a bomb and two bulletproofs on the town's side to make it more similar to 2:7. then town went and roleclaimed them all and made them useless ._.
  2. the roleblocker and bus driver were to prevent any sort of follow-the cop (even though there was no cop, just a watcher), which never happened anyway.
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Mafia chat

GG, definitely forgot how stressful being mafia is. Lying is hard.
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oh oops, I knew I forgot something XD thanks 0_o :P
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Well damn, never expected a mafia bus driver.
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foulcoon wrote:

i can't believe they actually believe that shit
lol...
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NoHitter wrote:

Lincolm, your analysis was pretty good :)
I just guess we were trapped within the "two bulletproofs is impossible" paradigm.
gg scum.
Thanks for the compliment. I stuck at "Mafia Bus-Driver" paradigm. At least my FoS come to right place. Really gg scum.

Makar wrote:

Lincolm wrote:

For honest, I still FoS 0_o, but still, Makar have 2 votes, almost likely cannot be saved for this day. An ugly reason for voting eh?
We still had 72 hours or so, I really think it could of waited lol.

I kinda suck at defending myself though, so we might of lost even if you waited.
Yes, it was hard to proof that you wasn't mafia, and I stuck in there too.

Makar wrote:

foulcoon wrote:

i can't believe they actually believe that shit
lol...
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Mafia bus driver. Well I guess theres a first for everything. Remember guys, what happens in mafia stays in mafia.
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I always thought mafia bus driver was quite common o-o//
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The MafiaWiki says that it's a historically town role, but that they have been seen under either alignment.

I was a little surprised myself that the possibility of a mafia bus driver was mostly disregarded.
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0_o wrote:

The MafiaWiki says that it's a historically town role, but that they have been seen under either alignment.

I was a little surprised myself that the possibility of a mafia bus driver was mostly disregarded.
quite possibly because I play IRC mafia more than anything else, and there was never once a mafia bus driver.
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This was actually the first game I played with Mafia Bus Driver.
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NoHitter wrote:

This was actually the first game I played with Mafia Bus Driver.
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