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NoHitter
Ebwop:

That means Census Taker could be alive. If so, please claim!
NoHitter
Triple post:
Right now, if census taker is alive, we can confirm almost EVERYONE'S role.
Unless though, if Lincolm/pieguy IS the Census Taker.
bmin11
Why didn't you save your result until we are done with massclaiming? I thought we were in an agreement for this?

Claim: Vanilla Townie
Rantai
So, potential ly-lo or we have 1 safelynch left >_>

Roleclaim: Vanilla Townie
Makar
As said before, Roleclaim: Vanilla Townie

Now, how do we go from here?
bmin11
bmin11 - Vanilla
Rantai - Vanilla
Makar - Vanilla
NoHitter - Coroner
Jinx - Cop
NoHitter
Vote: Makar

After reading the thread, Makar seems the most anti-town.
This reminds me to when I voted Makar. Not only did he vote JInxy quickly, but after I voted him, he also immediately unvoted JInxy as if to cue me to unvote him.
IMO, quickly wanting to get rid of someone's suspicion like that is suspicious in itself.

Although, I thought Rantai was concentrating on the fact that me and JInxy were mafia, his "reconsideration" when bmin brought out the possibility of the Census Taker being able to confirm everyone seems to have genuine townie intentions.

bmin's thoughts on how the Census Taker claiming could confirm also seems very townie to me.

Another reason why I think Makar is the least townie, he didn't participate that much in the discussion regarding Census Taker being alive. He only said that it would be "useless", which ironically would be true since the Census Taker was really dead. Basically, it was as if Makar already knew Census Taker was dead.
Rantai
Well seeing as we're completely blind, I don't know what to do. I'm still leaning those 2 though.
Makar

NoHitter wrote:

Vote: Makar

After reading the thread, Makar seems the most anti-town.
This reminds me to when I voted Makar. Not only did he vote JInxy quickly, but after I voted him, he also immediately unvoted JInxy as if to cue me to unvote him.
IMO, quickly wanting to get rid of someone's suspicion like that is suspicious in itself. Again, this was because I missed many parts of the beginning thread due to inactivity, but I do see what you are pointing out and can't blame you. Your vote for me the first time let me know that I should of read over the thread -completely-

Although, I thought Rantai was concentrating on the fact that me and JInxy were mafia, his "reconsideration" when bmin brought out the possibility of the Census Taker being able to confirm everyone seems to have genuine townie intentions. Agreed here

bmin's thoughts on how the Census Taker claiming could confirm also seems very townie to me. His thoughts were my thoughts basically

Another reason why I think Makar is the least townie, he didn't participate that much in the discussion regarding Census Taker being alive. He only said that it would be "useless", which ironically would be true since the Census Taker was really dead. Basically, it was as if Makar already knew Census Taker was dead. I gave suggestions on what to do if the census taker wasnt dead and said it wouldn't be a good idea since there is a -possibility- he was dead and didnt have a good way to confirm it. Besides, how is mafia supposed to know the census taker is dead? As Nyquill comfirmed, the mafia do not know the role of the people they kill. At this point and after what has been said, I do believe JInxy is cop and that lyby was the rolecop (since he turned up mafia and its the only role that would do so). Therefore, even if Lyby investigated the census taker N0 (which I assume is the only way the mafia can know who he is and kill), the godfather doesn't know the result since he died D1 (unless mafia can talk during the day?). It surprises me that you turn down Rantai's suggestion due to mafia not knowing who they kill yet you bring this possibility up with me.
NoHitter
You do have a point there. I was in the paradigm that Mafia Rolecop investigated the Census Taker, and gave away the information to the Mafia Godfather before he died, but it's technically impossible since Mafia Rolecop died on D1.

Mod: Does Mafia have Daychat?

Oh and I lied about my results. I actually investigated Lincolm and found out that he was Census Taker.

Breadcrumbs: (Look at the captials)
Last night, I investigated kanye; he was Doctor.
Ebwop:

That means Census Taker could be alive. If so, please claim!
LIDE -> LIED

Triple post:
Right now, if census taker is alive, we can confirm almost EVERYONE'S role.
Unless though, if Lincolm/pieguy IS the Census Taker.
TREU -> TRUE Lincolm IS Census Taker

My reason for doing this was twofold:
1) If Doctor CC's, chances are he's telling the truth. Thus confirmed, and I can narrow it between two people.
2) If Mafia were to claim Census Taker, he'll be obviously lying.
But Mafia decided to go for the safe route :/
Rantai
Finally, you use the breadcrumb approach. Forgive me for being a skeptic but that is a little too overused now. I don't buy it.

My gripes aside, I can see the reasons of why you would do that (ie cc catching) but it should have been obvious by now that the mafia would stay quiet (especially after I pointed out that the census taker may or may not be fakeclaiming when posting a result).

As a side note, I'm extremely scared of bmin, I've got a null tell on him
bmin11
bmin11 - Vanilla
Rantai - Vanilla
Makar - Vanilla
NoHitter - Coroner
Jinx - Cop
Lincolm - Census
Mashley - Vanilla
pieguy -
Kanye West -
Lybydose -


will post my thoughts tomorrow
Topic Starter
Nyquill

NoHitter wrote:

Mod: Does Mafia have Daychat?
No. Mafia only has night chat in this game.

Vote Count:
Makar - 1 (NoHitter)

Not Voting: bmin11, Makar, Rantai, JinxyJem

Deadline is in 24 hours!
Rantai
For what it's worth;

Vote: Hitter
Makar
^ I would ask usually ask why no explanation but you pretty much have said what you needed to say D2. I would like to hear what bmin has to say though, so

mod: extension please even though you said you wouldnt give anymore hrrp

btw JInxy it would be nice to hear some input from you as well
Jinxy
I think there's a possibility that hitter did bus lyby, but that would have required quite a lot of planning beforehand since they couldn't have talked D1. What stumps me is why lybydose would claim coroner if he could genuinely be counterclaimed.

I don't like this setup much, so much information lacking :/
Makar

JInxyjem wrote:

I think there's a possibility that hitter did bus lyby, but that would have required quite a lot of planning beforehand since they couldn't have talked D1. What stumps me is why lybydose would claim coroner if he could genuinely be counterclaimed.
True, but if you remember, NoHitter was late to CC, which is what strikes me odd.

..Oh wait
There is one thing I forgot about. Probably due to the fact I was inactive during the start of this game and still fail to correctly observe the things that happened earlier:

Lybydose wrote:

because you probably investigated the same person you killed and found that he was the cop.
If Lyby was the Rolecop, he very well could of invested kanye and found out he was (in this case) coroner. So then, Lyby would know what to roleclaim if he was investigated by the town cop and NoHitter could CC coroner (if accusing the town cop didnt go well or seemed too risky) without a problem even on D1 (unless the doctor succeeded N0, which he didn't). It seems like Lyby only brought up this possibility because he thought of it himself and try to accuse somebody else of doing the same thing. This could also be a reason for his fakeclaiming on his ability D3 -> to ensure the role he wanted to "find" from a lynched person isn't still alive.

Also, bmin, please share your thoughts.
Topic Starter
Nyquill
You guys need to discuss more, there is no way I'm going to extend every day like this. Every time day starts theres like 24 hours where no one says anything. I even warned you guys that I wont be giving anymore extensions.

This is the very LAST time I'll be extending the deadline (though it's already pretty close to endgame so w.e).

Seeing bmin still has thoughts to post, and voting is currently at a tie,

Deadline has been extended for 24 hours!

Vote Count:
Makar - 1 (NoHitter)
NoHitter - 1 (Rantai)

Not Voting: Makar, bmin11, JinxyJem
Rantai
So, as you were saying bmin? :P
Makar
Vote: NoHitter
For what I have said... orz
Topic Starter
Nyquill
You try too hard

I've grown accustomed to the pain in my head now. Just about twice a day, I would be forced to stop what I'm doing and take pain medication... except...

VOTE COUNT:
NoHitter - 2 (Rantai, Makar)
Makar - 1 (NoHitter)

Not Voting: JinxyJem, bmin11

NoHitter - Lynched D3

IT IS NOW NIGHT 3.
Actions must be submitted within 24 hours time!
Topic Starter
Nyquill
YOU ARE FORGETTING SOMETHING.

bmin11 - Killed N3


IT IS NOW DAY 4.
With 3 alive it takes 2 to hammer.
Rantai
Makar null vs Jinxy that I have been suspicious of this whole game.

Bleh.

Edit: As a side note I wish I knew how to do those iso things.
Jinxy
We're at 2 town 1 mafia lylo, so one lynch was mafia. Mashley pretty much sacrificed himself by unvoting, and if I were mafia with Hitter, I would have voted Makar considering that would have ended the game if bmin didn't vote instead of letting him die. I believe this should prove lybydose was the mafia and I'm the cop, unless you have a different idea.

And for me, Makar null vs you who I'm suspicious of because you were so suspicious on me and hitter. Well.
Rantai
Sounds like an omgus right there :P

Before I go on though, I want to hear what Makar has to say about suspicions etc.
Makar
Wow I was starting to think about bmin too but now I don't know shit :v oh well, at least the inactive town is gone to avoid mislynch due to inactivity

JInxyjem wrote:

I would have voted Makar considering that would have ended the game if bmin didn't vote instead of letting him die. I believe this should prove lybydose was the mafia and I'm the cop, unless you have a different idea.
Actually, it was 3 votes to hammer, so maybe you could of avoided voting at the last second due to risk

Rantai: Based on your suspicion, do you think it was possible that before the end of D3 there were 2 mafia? This would be so much easier if we had a census yesterday

JInxyjem wrote:

And for me, Makar null vs you who I'm suspicious of because you were so suspicious on me and hitter. Well.
I understand why you would be suspicious of him, but I think his thoughts and acts were town and that is all we have to go on.

Then again yeah, the chances of the situations Rentai had said are very low (but mine were somewhat too with NoHitter), so I don't know what to say about this
Makar
Actually I'm fairly sure we would know who mafia is if we had a census on any day lmao. With the way things are now the only way I can believe JInx as mafia is if NoHitter was also mafia (due to events on D1). If we could of truely verified Lyby's role or if there was 2 mafia alive D3, it would be fairly easy I think (unless I'm missing something?). EDIT: So, basically throwing my original thoughts D3 out the window now that there is still a mafia alive, NoHitter or Lyby? Nobody else (who is dead) seems suspicious to me now.
Rantai

JInxyjem wrote:

and if I were mafia with Hitter, I would have voted Makar considering that would have ended the game if bmin didn't vote instead of letting him die. I believe this should prove lybydose was the mafia and I'm the cop, unless you have a different idea.
Actually that vote could have gone either way (well that's how I perceive it). On one hand, considering the inactivity, Makar was as good as lynched even with my vote so you may not have had any reason to join Hitter on the vote lest that start raising suspicions because you'd have to provide reasons other than parroting Hitter, which I think wouldn't be as easy if you're trying to bs your way through it.

On the other hand, Makar did a ninja save vote on Hitter. Though the weird thing is that he ran the very real risk that we would not get another extension but still didn't vote before the original deadline.

I'm still leaning Jinxy but I don't want my tunnel vision to dictate how I vote. Then again my track record of winning when not sticking to my guns is terrible.
Makar

Rantai wrote:

On the other hand, Makar did a ninja save vote on Hitter. Though the weird thing is that he ran the very real risk that we would not get another extension but still didn't vote before the original deadline.
Well, let me share you my thoughts on this: IF NoHitter is actually Mafia, the game would be over now if I didn't try to prevent a mislynch on town (since there is obviously still one mafia). At the time, I only thought of this because I also had the thought that bmin could of been mafia due to much inactivity and lack to provide useful information even though my post thoughts only mentioned stuff about NoHitter. (edit) Basically, there was not enough time and discussion to make a confident decision, so might as well prevent a possibility.

I will look over the thread again tomorrow and post more thoughts; It's late for me and I have early classes so I need some sleep.

EDIT: yeaaah iunno. Considering where we are now and the events on D1, NoHitter+Jinx against lyby seems more possible than before. I just wish we had more information orz
Rantai
So uh Jinxy, got anything else to add. The more talking the better.
Jinxy

Makar wrote:

Well, let me share you my thoughts on this: IF NoHitter is actually Mafia, the game would be over now if I didn't try to prevent a mislynch on town (since there is obviously still one mafia). At the time, I only thought of this because I also had the thought that bmin could of been mafia due to much inactivity and lack to provide useful information even though my post thoughts only mentioned stuff about NoHitter. (edit) Basically, there was not enough time and discussion to make a confident decision, so might as well prevent a possibility.
I'm not sure I get this part. You voted NoHitter because you secretly suspected bmin while you were mentioning stuff about NoHitter?

Another thing is that Makar does seem to be flip-flopping around, from D3:

Makar wrote:

At this point and after what has been said, I do believe JInxy is cop and that lyby was the rolecop (since he turned up mafia and its the only role that would do so).
Just now:

Makar wrote:

EDIT: yeaaah iunno. Considering where we are now and the events on D1, NoHitter+Jinx against lyby seems more possible than before. I just wish we had more information orz
But really, there is an absolutely horrible lack of information, I don't know what else there is.
Rantai

JInxyjem wrote:

Makar wrote:

Big quote.
I'm not sure I get this part. You voted NoHitter because you secretly suspected bmin while you were mentioning stuff about NoHitter?
If I understand it, he's saying that he didn't suspect you of being mafia bec- wait what. Actually re reading that, he's saying that he believed you were cop but bmin may have been a second mafia with Hitter, hence lynching Hitter to prevent a game over. Which would create a massive paradox because unless you're a terrible cop and lied about your result then there would be no way of having bmin as mafia if Hitter is mafia.

--> If Jinxy is cop then Lybydose is mafia.
--> Therefore both could not have been mafia

--> If Jinxy made up a result (wtf?) then Lybydose would probably have been town and Hitter probably mafia.
--> Yeah, no.

I could have read it wrong but I don't think so.
Makar
Yeah after re-reading I kinda derped on my grammar.

EDIT: whoops I hit CTRL+Enter one sec lemme finish typing

EDIT2: I am basically saying that my thoughts changed due to the outcome that happened last night. I expected this game to be over D3 based on what I know, but I also had my thoughts on bmin (hence why I continued to ask him to say his thoughts). Here is basically what I thought:
D1 - had no thoughts since I was inactive
D2 - Everything was WIFOM for the most part; I started becoming active and developing thoughts and misread some stuff because of inactivity before.
D3 - Lyby + Hitter or Lyby + bmin basically (meaning I had thought Jinx was town). Hitter seemed more suspicious though (so my vote was on him to also save a mislynch and due to having two possibilities) and I tried to ask for bmin's opinions.
D4 - "wtf not over and bmin is dead" *starts having second thoughts*
Rantai
... 30 hours and nothing huh.

Well this is going no where so I guess this is all we're going to get out of today;

Vote: Jinxy

Makar may just be playing us but I've still only got a null on him and I'm still suspicious of Jinxy.
Jinxy
Then what exactly do you want me to answer to take that suspicion off?

Rantai wrote:

Actually that vote could have gone either way (well that's how I perceive it). On one hand, considering the inactivity, Makar was as good as lynched even with my vote so you may not have had any reason to join Hitter on the vote lest that start raising suspicions because you'd have to provide reasons other than parroting Hitter, which I think wouldn't be as easy if you're trying to bs your way through it.
Honestly, at that point in time, you were pretty much the only one that was still suspicious. If I was mafia with Hitter, I still could easily vote Makar. Even if you had called it out, the only way to stop a mafia win would have been to convince bmin. I didn't vote Makar because I did think of how hitter might have bussed.
Makar
Welp lets see how this goes

Vote: Jinxy
Jinxy
If Makar replied like that, that means Rantai won as maf.

God dammit
Makar
Or maybe I'm just a troll
NoHitter
Or you guys should have listened to me and lynched Makar :(

Rantai, you and your tunnel vision.

gg Makar.
Lybydose
I don't even
Makar
lmao NoHitter you scared me
Hell you scared me in the other games too
Jinxy
Hi Nyquill results pls
NoHitter

Lybydose wrote:

I don't even
Exactly. This game should have been won by town.
Topic Starter
Nyquill
If everyone had one chance at life, what would you say is the best way to live it?

I didn't really have an answer for that question.

kanye west - Vanilla Townie - Killed N0

For sure it isn't living the lives of others.

Lybydose - Mafia Rolecop - Lynched D1

But then, tell me, how do we progress without learning from our mistakes?

Lincolm - Town Census Taker - Killed N1

We look forward, and use our logic to help avoid what is to come

Mashley - Vanilla Townie - Lynched D2

But wouldn't you need your own experience to help you make a better judgement?

pieguy1372 - Town Doctor - Killed N2

At that point in time, the person sitting in front of me stood up.

I need a drink.

NoHitter - Town Coroner - Lynched D3

The throbbing in my head went away at last. Every day, I would recieve such a mental barrage twice. Once at dawn, and once at dusk. The only day I can remember it not occuring was the morning 3 days ago.

bmin11 - Vanilla Townie - Killed N3

I let out a perhaps over exaggerated sigh, and sat up straight in my chair. I'd better leave.
Perhaps a little too quickly. I hit the table with my knee when I stood up. Cursing myself, I catch a glimpse of the monitor on the desk that was facing away from me until it shifted from my collision with it.

On it, displayed a list of names. The most recent one was highlighted and flashing.

JinxyJem - Town Cop - Lynched D4


Then, my head tore open.

Voices.

What? But thats impossible! Jinxyjem was with NoHitter...
Thats where you're wrong.

I regain a bit of my sense of reality. I catch a glimpse of the monitor on the desk that is now above me, as I collapsed on the floor. A new name appeared on the list. This time, it flashed red.

Rantai - Vanilla Townie - ENDGAMED

Survivors:
Makar - Mafia Godfather

GAME OVER. Mafia wins!


You weren't supposed to see that yet...

LAST LOGGED DATE: September 3rd, 2012
Topic Starter
Nyquill
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Impressions/Thoughts:

What the hell just happened.

Well certainly the lack of information was supposed to play huge in mafia's favor but town had so many things going right for them it just seemed out of the question that town would lose.

Also, if you STILL have not noticed it. There was a tiny bit of hinting as to which faction was killed each night in my lynch/kill posts.
(what you guys were forgetting)
Mashley
Slow clap...
Rantai
Oh how I tried not to let my tunnel vision get in the way but I was given just about nothing to work with that day. Though I did get an inkling from Makar's slip up but Jinxy just disappeared so I figured he just gave up.

And go figure, Makar was playing my tunnel vision.
Sync
lol nice one mark
Kanye West
ggwp makar
pieguyn
oh fail.. I had a feeling mafia would win just because of inactivity, so people would just vote whichever target was planned in advance. Also I knew I would die the night I died, so if I could self protect, maybe it would have turned out better. GG :P
Lincolm
I want to going to end too :cry:

gg Makar nice game.
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