Hello fellow community members. I'm dkun and I'm a fellow mapper here at osu!. I'm here to discuss the concept of getting a map "speedranked", and why this should be addressed. This is merely a discussion to the concept, and nothing else. I am not nominating a rule change to the current criteria, nor am I advocating for it to be changed.
To those of you that are not familiar with the mapping community and our mapping jargon, please note that a speedrank is exactly what the name entails; a map being ranked with speed that's not normal of the rest of the community, for one reason or another.
@mods: please move this thread accordingly if this is the incorrect section to do so.
@other people: if this doesn't concern you, or if you have negative things to say about speedranking that does not contribute to the thread's purpose, then please do not post at all.
@cnf: this goes out to you, and the other people that did try/still are trying to stop this on-going problem
As long as the map is flawless? The map in question was deranked after a speedrank. This is a clear point to why this is an issue, is it not? You may disagree with speedranks, but what are you doing to prevent them? I hope this thread will have people listen about speedranks and why they are unethical in the community (I am guilty of this as well, please note this). This is one issue compared to the many that do come within the aspects within "speedranking".
If I start a PM with you, what exactly happens? I've spoken with a lot of the staff and they have all told me the same thing. Or no, they haven't told me, they all shrugged, because there's not enough drive to moderate something such as this.
Why this is wrong, in order listed above:
1) Nothing is flawless, no? There's too many different interpretations to the different kinds of mapping out in the osu! world today. What one person may see as flawless may be complete trash to the next.
2) The said mapper putting effort? Awesome? (I would rather not elaborate on this)
3) I doubt these songs are "popular", just of the Anime aspect.
4) A history of putting effort and making awesome maps? (Same point as #2.)
5) ^ "me, me, me, and her"
6) 50%? His maps get ranked in a week with other maps still on the list that have been there for months.
As I said earlier, what I listed above right here points to one single instance of this problem. The entire issue of speedranking extends past this issue at hand. If you break down the entire problem, you have a problem within many aspects of mapping and the game in general, including...
Essentially... Getting a map "speedranked" accelerates or even skips over the modding process, hindering the quality of ranked maps. It skips over what makes a map "polished", or what makes it "good". This is something that shouldn't be rushed, or avoided to any extent.
Let this be heard. This is an issue. But what are we going to do as it keeps exponentially growing?
Well, that's up to you.
To those of you that are not familiar with the mapping community and our mapping jargon, please note that a speedrank is exactly what the name entails; a map being ranked with speed that's not normal of the rest of the community, for one reason or another.
@mods: please move this thread accordingly if this is the incorrect section to do so.
@other people: if this doesn't concern you, or if you have negative things to say about speedranking that does not contribute to the thread's purpose, then please do not post at all.
@cnf: this goes out to you, and the other people that did try/still are trying to stop this on-going problem
Here it is jericho. Let's have a discussion about it! Let me explain why this is a concept that needs to be addressed here in the world of osu!.jericho2442 wrote:
not worth it, you want a discussion over such a subject make a related topic, dont use map threads, it wont get anywhere
Let's start with this line that Sakura said right after jericho on Andrea's latest ranked map.Sakura wrote:
As long as the map's are flawless it doesnt make any difference if it gets ranked now, in a week or in a year. The problem is when the map's not flawless, in that case then point it out in the map thread.
As much as i disagree with speedranks, this is how things work in here atm, so please direct your discussion elsewhere to another topic or probably a PM instead of here (you may as well PM me as well if you want to talk about this).
As long as the map is flawless? The map in question was deranked after a speedrank. This is a clear point to why this is an issue, is it not? You may disagree with speedranks, but what are you doing to prevent them? I hope this thread will have people listen about speedranks and why they are unethical in the community (I am guilty of this as well, please note this). This is one issue compared to the many that do come within the aspects within "speedranking".
If I start a PM with you, what exactly happens? I've spoken with a lot of the staff and they have all told me the same thing. Or no, they haven't told me, they all shrugged, because there's not enough drive to moderate something such as this.
What I just noted above with a map that was deranked is some sort of proof to why this problem exists. But point by point on a mapper standpoint to why most of these points are wrong, in order.peppy wrote:
How to get your map ranked, in order of effectiveness
1) Make it flawless
2) Put a lot of effort into the map. Make it awesome and stand out from the crowd.
3) Make it a popular song (call it controversial, but popular songs are the ones people want to play, so why not?)
4) Have a history of flawless maps (so modders/BATs are more likely to know how easily it can be ranked)
5) Give and receive. Offer to trade mods. Show that you aren't just about "me, me, me"
6) High SP, since we mod and rank at least 50% based on SP of maps.
Also consider that what you call "speedranking" is only so fast because there are minor/no issues. You can't "speedrank" most maps because they you know, require modding.
No rule needs to exist to solve this problem that doesn't exist.
Why this is wrong, in order listed above:
1) Nothing is flawless, no? There's too many different interpretations to the different kinds of mapping out in the osu! world today. What one person may see as flawless may be complete trash to the next.
2) The said mapper putting effort? Awesome? (I would rather not elaborate on this)
3) I doubt these songs are "popular", just of the Anime aspect.
4) A history of putting effort and making awesome maps? (Same point as #2.)
5) ^ "me, me, me, and her"
6) 50%? His maps get ranked in a week with other maps still on the list that have been there for months.
As I said earlier, what I listed above right here points to one single instance of this problem. The entire issue of speedranking extends past this issue at hand. If you break down the entire problem, you have a problem within many aspects of mapping and the game in general, including...
- Kudosu is meant to be spent on what mappers think is "rankable", not just because of the mapper. (There are instances of maps that are kudosu "abused", and are ranked due to their priority.)
- Modders are only focusing on specific maps, rather than looking at it as a whole (elitism, looking at the people already here, than the new. tl;dr, it's hard for a mapper to start up.)
- BAT's don't mod to the same standards as they do with "newer" mappers. (Looking at the example above, something got ranked and was deranked shortly after due to an issue. When a BAT lets the same issue go with said popular mapper, goes right around and enforces it with another. Essentially a double standard.)
- Speedranking isn't to blame on one sole person, but essentially the entire process where it goes through, which includes, (but isn't limited to) the MAT and the BAT.
Essentially... Getting a map "speedranked" accelerates or even skips over the modding process, hindering the quality of ranked maps. It skips over what makes a map "polished", or what makes it "good". This is something that shouldn't be rushed, or avoided to any extent.
Let this be heard. This is an issue. But what are we going to do as it keeps exponentially growing?
Well, that's up to you.