Songs with "questionable" lyrics are usually more saturated with pre-teens already. Some of the new-age music is kinda out there.some Heavy Metal having lyrics that involve ripping off faces and raping people... *shudder* I feel old It's also a bit easier to conceal for the older player because they can use headphones when kids are in the room. There are no PC monitor sunglasses yet though, so we are stuck on the visual aspect of these songs.
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The songs aren't being reranked with new BGs due to older players wanting to concealing what they're playing. It's to do with this game is supposed to be available to literally all ages which shouldn't be the case since people under 13 don't even play. Go re-read Eph's post.
Just rotate your monitor to face the wall.Mithost wrote:
Songs with "questionable" lyrics are usually more saturated with pre-teens already. Some of the new-age music is kinda out there.some Heavy Metal having lyrics that involve ripping off faces and raping people... *shudder*I feel oldIt's also a bit easier to conceal for the older player because they can use headphones when kids are in the room. There are no PC monitor sunglasses yet though, so we are stuck on the visual aspect of these songs.
If you are playing with other online games, like WoW, when your little brother/sister is come into your room you will turn off or what when you are in a middle of a boss fight which is a big spider or something? I guess, no.Mithost wrote:
Songs with "questionable" lyrics are usually more saturated with pre-teens already. Some of the new-age music is kinda out there.some Heavy Metal having lyrics that involve ripping off faces and raping people... *shudder*I feel oldIt's also a bit easier to conceal for the older player because they can use headphones when kids are in the room. There are no PC monitor sunglasses yet though, so we are stuck on the visual aspect of these songs.
Please avoid arguing about what is appropriate or not, but continue to point out any beatmaps that may have inappropriate content. We will make the decision of what needs to change, but I am definitely interested in seeing some of the stuff mentioned changed out (and have already started fixing those previously mentioned).
My favorite bg, but....this one is too much for a "3+" game.
http://osu.ppy.sh/s/26946
http://osu.ppy.sh/s/26946
Ephemeral wrote:
osu! is supposed to be all-ages and that is as much a part of the criteria as the more technical things
???JappyBabes wrote:
I would like to request an unranking for http://osu.ppy.sh/b/118380&m=0 and http://osu.ppy.sh/s/933 as it has explicit lyrics which clearly are not suitable for all ages.
Cho_old
You ever get the feeling only one side is being listened to ?JappyBabes wrote:
Ephemeral wrote:
osu! is supposed to be all-ages and that is as much a part of the criteria as the more technical things???JappyBabes wrote:
I would like to request an unranking for http://osu.ppy.sh/b/118380&m=0 and http://osu.ppy.sh/s/933 as it has explicit lyrics which clearly are not suitable for all ages.
Songs with mature lyrics are fine as long as a proper warning is put in place (as is noted on the second map). There is a considerable difference between suggestive map elements and explicit lyrics.
Cho_old
Often it seems like suggestive map elements are given warning aswell, just curious as to what the considerable difference is assuming both have warnings ?Ephemeral wrote:
Songs with mature lyrics are fine as long as a proper warning is put in place (as is noted on the second map). There is a considerable difference between suggestive map elements and explicit lyrics.
(Not that I'm saying there are none without warnings)
Ass Up! went 1-2 years before a warning, iirc. I have seen some warnings around, but I've seen more maps without warnings than with them.
I'ma go search "Nightcore" and see what other maps I can locate.
I'ma go search "Nightcore" and see what other maps I can locate.
I wonder why you think only Nightcore maps have this kind of bg. o.oMithost wrote:
Ass Up! went 1-2 years before a warning, iirc. I have seen some warnings around, but I've seen more maps without warnings than with them.
I'ma go search "Nightcore" and see what other maps I can locate.
fwiw Super Scription of Data is fixed with a new background already, thumbnail takes a bit to update tho =Pziin wrote:
are you serious, or whatziin wrote:
http://osu.ppy.sh/s/35878
SPOILER
Delete every background that has a pink pixel, really.
Ephemeral wrote:
Songs with mature lyrics are fine as long as a proper warning is put in place
GG. Guess there's no need for the warning on Ass Up any more.ztrot wrote:
*Warning* some may be offended by this map's +16 content. YOU HAVE BEEN WARNED.
I don't think osu needs questionable material. Almost every site I found the image on has it marked that way.
Pretty much this. Most, if not all, of the images that have been changed so far are the types of things I find when surfing certain sites for fap material, and these types of images are almost always marked "NSFW" and typically require me to make an account and enable the "adult material flag" if they're found on a place that isn't solely a porn site.ziin wrote:
I don't think osu needs questionable material. Almost every site I found the image on has it marked that way.
Yes there's a need, the warning was for the lyrics to begin with i assume considering the lyrics mention ass all the time.JappyBabes wrote:
Ephemeral wrote:
Songs with mature lyrics are fine as long as a proper warning is put in placeGG. Guess there's no need for the warning on Ass Up any more.ztrot wrote:
*Warning* some may be offended by this map's +16 content. YOU HAVE BEEN WARNED.
@ziin/Ekaru
So let's check a rather large hentai image base, shall we?
It's even in the safe version of the site. gg
So let's check a rather large hentai image base, shall we?
It's even in the safe version of the site. gg
Ass is totally a word for 16+>Checks my profile.Sakura wrote:
Yes there's a need, the warning was for the lyrics to begin with i assume considering the lyrics mention ass all the time.
look down a little bit. You'll notice it's listed as NOT safe, eg... questionable.JappyBabes wrote:
@ziin/Ekaru
So let's check a rather large hentai image base, shall we?
It's even in the safe version of the site. gg
And just to put your argument completely to rest:
No nsfw tag exists on konachan.
Should of said nsfw tags. Such as nude, breasts, nipples, uncensored etc. Since when was being in the safe mode of the site make it not safe? Questionable doesn't make it not safe.
On an additional note: Questionable is the same as ecchi I think. Ecchi can be both SFW and NSFW so using that really won't help you.
On an additional note: Questionable is the same as ecchi I think. Ecchi can be both SFW and NSFW so using that really won't help you.
same here. e n elesslunatic wrote:
are you serious, or whatziin wrote:
http://osu.ppy.sh/s/35878SPOILERDelete every background that has a pink pixel, really.
This. ^^Ekaru wrote:
Pretty much this. Most, if not all, of the images that have been changed so far are the types of things I find when surfing certain sites for fap material, and these types of images are almost always marked "NSFW" and typically require me to make an account and enable the "adult material flag" if they're found on a place that isn't solely a porn site.ziin wrote:
I don't think osu needs questionable material. Almost every site I found the image on has it marked that way.
Konachan calling something safe mode doesn't mean it should be on a rhythm game. It's obviously not as bad as some of the stuff on Konachan, but it's still something you would find if you searched "Hentai" on an image site.
define: hentai "A work of anime or manga (or any similar medium) that contains sexual or pornographic art."Mithost wrote:
It's obviously not as bad as some of the stuff on Konachan, but it's still something you would find if you searched "Hentai" on an image site.
Bam!JappyBabes wrote:
define: hentai "A work of anime or manga (or any similar medium) that contains sexual or pornographic art."Mithost wrote:
It's obviously not as bad as some of the stuff on Konachan, but it's still something you would find if you searched "Hentai" on an image site.
Females in suggestive poses (upskirt, bent over, etc) wearing minimal clothes or showing skin in certain "sexual" areas. Sexual.
Go watch a hentai. Tell me when you find one where it doesn't progress to sex. Also, hentai can be used to call someone a pervert. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hentai Good read. Good pictures for examples ^_^ The picture in question is a SFW ecchi pic. Nothing bad.
I'm going to get arrested if I walk outside with nothing but a hoodie on. If I have on underwear, I could probably get away with it. The picture in question has already been changed anyway.
Would you walk around in public like that? Please no witty response; it's not needed.
Would you walk around in public like that? Please no witty response; it's not needed.
Imo, witty responses are needed. And no I wouldn't as I actually don't go outside because I spend my life playing osu but there is such a thing as indecent exposure which is the law. This isn't the law, this is a game where maps are unranked and features implement by people with seemingly no argument for it. My main point is, if you're going to unrank maps due to the visual element not being suitable for all ages, even when the maps have had a warning, unrank/censor the .mp3 of songs with lyrics that aren't suitable. Or you can do nothing which tbh is the best option.
I will not walk around in underwear, BUT in swimsuit, yes.ziin wrote:
I'm going to get arrested if I walk outside with nothing but a hoodie on. If I have on underwear, I could probably get away with it. The picture in question has already been changed anyway.
Would you walk around in public like that? Please no witty response; it's not needed.
Also
I just find some funny pics, and some differences, BUT BE WARNED IT MAYBE NFSW!
Maybe the difference is seeable with eyes. Personally I think the second one is perfect for this game. :3
Maybe I will get ban after this post. ._.
Dat first pic.
Topic Starter
The problem here is one of choice. One group wants to be able to have near nudity in their Osu! However, this means that these explicit beatmaps show up on the Beatmap Listing and many players see them without wanting to. On the other hand, the other group wants a stricter background guideline so that they wouldn't have to see the near nudity, which leads to the other players complaining that their rights have been taken away.
Personally, I oppose the near nudity in backgrounds. I have several friends who I would recommend Osu! to if it weren't for these backgrounds showing up in the Listing. On some days, these backgrounds have taken up the entire front page. I also feel that these backgrounds damage our community and ruin the point of the game. People shouldn't be using Osu! to arouse themselves.
I expect that this thread will get locked soon, simply because this debate won't be settled anytime soon. I do hope that peppy solves this problem himself. This is not something that can just be swept under a rug and forgotten about.
Personally, I oppose the near nudity in backgrounds. I have several friends who I would recommend Osu! to if it weren't for these backgrounds showing up in the Listing. On some days, these backgrounds have taken up the entire front page. I also feel that these backgrounds damage our community and ruin the point of the game. People shouldn't be using Osu! to arouse themselves.
I expect that this thread will get locked soon, simply because this debate won't be settled anytime soon. I do hope that peppy solves this problem himself. This is not something that can just be swept under a rug and forgotten about.
I'm not sure if you actually read what has been said, but I'm saying that the BATs have said we want this game for all ages but they've only been removing the visual elements that make it unsuitable and not the audible that are inappropriate for an all ages game. Don't pick and choose what you're going to rerank and label suitable.
Personally I think if the creator put a warning to the beatmap title like "Ayane - Endless Tears (NSFW)" or "Ayane - Endless Tears (15+)" it will be enough. Of course if he/she wants to use that kind of image, or the audio is contains some fdgjkfb sound.
EDIT: This is not clearly NFSW, BUT.....
EDIT: This is not clearly NFSW, BUT.....
Cho_old
Here's an idea, osu! let's you input an age to your profile. Use that feature for something USEFUL for once that would allow both parties to have their way because children wouldn't have to look at the images and the people who don't mind them don't need to put up with people crying and getting good maps de-ranked because their personal taste doesn't agree with what has been fine for years.
Seems like things are being censored now that the 3+ audience osu apparently panders to would see on daytime TV by the way, still kind of confused as to why people are so scared of images depicting people and this really aggravating "I would introduce my friends but" argument, hey if your friends don't like a few backgrounds in a rythm game they can avoid it, but if you're scared of their opinion and what they might think of you because of things that have nothing to do with you then clearly you have other issues you need to seek help on.
This is also proving to be true and not addressed so far (Hah, surprise). If it's for all ages surely anything with even slightly suggestive lyrics aswell as images should be removed. Then we can all enjoy some instrumental touhou remixes with different colours of the dragonforce backgrounds, seems to be where this is headed at any rate.JappyBabes wrote:
I'm not sure if you actually read what has been said, but I'm saying that the BATs have said we want this game for all ages but they've only been removing the visual elements that make it unsuitable and not the audible that are inappropriate for an all ages game. Don't pick and choose what you're going to rerank and label suitable.
Seems like things are being censored now that the 3+ audience osu apparently panders to would see on daytime TV by the way, still kind of confused as to why people are so scared of images depicting people and this really aggravating "I would introduce my friends but" argument, hey if your friends don't like a few backgrounds in a rythm game they can avoid it, but if you're scared of their opinion and what they might think of you because of things that have nothing to do with you then clearly you have other issues you need to seek help on.
Jappy, we have already explained how visual effects are harder to censor around little kids than audio elements. Things like Ass Up! should have a warning for audio, because of obvious lyrics that are inappropriate. It seems like you are trying to defend the video elements instead of trying to come to a conclusion about what warrants an audio warning, something most of the staff that are unranking maps have done with visual elements.
Visual: If it is suggestive in a sexual way, shows excessive amounts of skin on the person, or has the context of the person being close to/if not already naked, it has grounds to be un-ranked until a warning/different background is in place.
Audio is a bit more lenient right now. If you want to argue that audio should be targeted too, please make some points about what would warrant an unrank. Please do this instead of arguing why nothing should be changed because audio is bad too.
Edit: And again, I support a use for the age feature that would "hide" maps from younger players, and a guideline/rule that makes mappers have to set a age group for the elements. It's a winwin.
Visual: If it is suggestive in a sexual way, shows excessive amounts of skin on the person, or has the context of the person being close to/if not already naked, it has grounds to be un-ranked until a warning/different background is in place.
Audio is a bit more lenient right now. If you want to argue that audio should be targeted too, please make some points about what would warrant an unrank. Please do this instead of arguing why nothing should be changed because audio is bad too.
Edit: And again, I support a use for the age feature that would "hide" maps from younger players, and a guideline/rule that makes mappers have to set a age group for the elements. It's a winwin.
Cho_old
Seems like what we need to do is end the argument then and get both sides to agree to a feature request (I mean, I know that's the equivalent of changing nothing but it might eventually one day have some knock on effect that inspires a half-done idea that would solve some minor grievances)Mithost wrote:
Edit: And again, I support a use for the age feature that would "hide" maps from younger players, and a guideline/rule that makes mappers have to set a age group for the elements. It's a winwin.
But Ephermeal has already said this has nothing to do with hiding it around people walking past, it's about the players themselves and what is allowed for them alone to experience.
Im sorry Mithost but Jappy has a point (even tho it wasnt portrayed correctly) we should be protecting the children, not make them want to hide what they are listening to due to absurd lyrics.
I'd certainly wouldnt like if a child of mine is listening to: http://osu.ppy.sh/s/21145 (which i was opposed to getting ranked from day 1)
I'd certainly wouldnt like if a child of mine is listening to: http://osu.ppy.sh/s/21145 (which i was opposed to getting ranked from day 1)
I guess I worded something wrong there. By "Hide" I mean "These songs don't appear to players who's age is under __". Jappy has a point with audio lyrics but it seems the focus was on keeping the backgrounds visible to everyone.
That wasn't the focus, that was a reasoning.
Okay, yeah, I fully endorse an unrank of that. I'm fine with "Ass Up!" because "ass" isn't considered that bad of a word nowadays, and I'm only fine with BG unranks because those are extremely easy fixes and keep the scores intact, but that is, uh... No.JappyBabes wrote:
http://www.justsomelyrics.com/1895027/Stamper-6-In-A-Row-Lyrics http://osu.ppy.sh/s/933
At the very least I propose that all songs with excessively "mature" lyrics be removed from packs (Sorry DxS!). If a song has a warning for mature content then you really shouldn't be able to accidentally download one of those songs in a pack.
EDIT: Not that I'm offended by the song in question. I'm mainly thinking of the young 'uns I know that play.
Ekaru wrote:
Okay, yeah, I fully endorse an unrank of that. I'm fine with "Ass Up!" because "ass" isn't considered that bad of a word nowadays
07:33 Sakura: : what's more funny is that the map i linked doesn't even have a warning, and i was heavily opposed to it getting ranked, and it still gotWell apparently you're wrong, according to some people the lyrics for that are NSFW as well. BETTER HIT THE UNRANK BUTTON GUYS!!!@!@
07:33 Sakura: : ranked, and up till this day and i still can't figure out why
07:33 JappyBabes: : Well, Ass Up had a warning and I don't see why someone said it was because of the lyrics
07:34 Sakura: : "put your ass up, put your ass up, put your ass up in the air" \:D/
http://www.lyricsmode.com/lyrics/b/brin ... nthem.html http://osu.ppy.sh/s/32661 unrankpls
Topic Starter
You'd better watch out, JappyBabes. Someone might take your sarcastic suggestions seriously. Case in point...
We should have something like this. A button where we can flag beatmaps for BAT/MAT attention. They can decide what needs to be revised/given a warning/nuked.JappyBabes wrote:
BETTER HIT THE UNRANK BUTTON GUYS!!!@!@
theMikeAG wrote:
You'd better watch out, JappyBabes. Someone might take your sarcastic suggestions seriously. Case in point...
This game's policies are becoming a joke.
Soon, not only will we be unable to remove backgrounds, but the backgrounds we're forced to look at will be boring censored versions of their originals just because some guy with Asperger's syndrome decided to complain.
Come on. Really? That's just rude.
Soon, not only will we be unable to remove backgrounds, but the backgrounds we're forced to look at will be boring censored versions of their originals just because some guy with Asperger's syndrome decided to complain.
Come on. Really? That's just rude.
Part of me thinks none of the osu! community has the slightest clue about what autism is. But Kyou, stop complaining, since ppy wants it, he gets it! It obviously will benefit the community.
Not really, they werent supposed to be ranked with those BGs in the first place, said guideline has existed longer than 3 years.Kyou-kun wrote:
This game's policies are becoming a joke.
Soon, not only will we be unable to remove backgrounds, but the backgrounds we're forced to look at will be boring censored versions of their originals just because some guy with Asperger's syndrome decided to complain.
Come on. Really? That's just rude.
I second this. [/unrelated]JappyBabes wrote:
none of the osu! community has the slightest clue about what autism is.
he should have complained sooner ): if a background "needs to be censored" I'd call into question what it was doing there in the first place.Kyou-kun wrote:
Soon, not only will we be unable to remove backgrounds, but the backgrounds we're forced to look at will be boring censored versions of their originals just because some guy with Asperger's syndrome decided to complain.
Let me explain. A beatmap's background should reflect the subject matter: either the song, or storyboard (see the Phoenix Wright/EBA crossover "Don't Stop Me Now" for an example on the latter)
if a beatmap's background has a suggestive image, or an image of a sexual nature, or violent, or whatever, and it doesn't relate to the music, then something's already gone very wrong. If it IS related, which I assume is possible but from my experience hasn't happened very much (the something-sama one about gay BDSM porn comes to mind) then the background should be chosen carefully because it should always be tasteful.
You should be okay displaying this image in front of an audience of strangers, friends and family.
If any of you has issues with backgrounds, send a private message to peppy. Discussion is pointless.