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Yeah, but I know for a fact that I'm not mafia. I understand that you guys don't know that I'm 100% town unless you have some sort of info, but my opinions are from my perspective with all of the information that I have.cravenfiner wrote:
you forgot to put yourself in your reasoning though, but you seem to be going with a logical approach like what keremal did and everything can be taken the wrong way in this so i dont want to assume anything right now unless something stands out enough
I mean, I'm not part of the support team so I can't really say much on that topic, but I doubt it takes up 100% of his time.cravenfiner wrote:
lets not forget Death is part of the support team so he's probably busy so he cant say much, but as keremal said, he doesnt provide much backing to votes
That does make sense, which is why I mentioned the husa/keremal theory in the first place. I don't know, I feel like I'm a little apprehensive with lynching husa cause I'd feel really bad if he were innocent and is really just confused after all. But at the same time, I'd feel very stupid if he's just taking advantage of that. It's almost a 50/50 chance in my opinion since we don't have much info.Death wrote:
It's hardly logical if both Husa and keremal are mafia. Conveniently throwing in this part:because he knows I'm a normal townie and he just wants to lob Husa in with me in order to save his fellow mafia.keremal wrote:
Then again, Death and Husa might be exceptions/townies that're unintentionally trying to mislead people, and Death is actually a Normal Townie.
I don't think that it's 3v2v1 anymore due to the voting patternsWestonini wrote:
Also yeah I just realized that that win requirement confirms it's not possible for there to be 3 mafia members because then they'd already have won. So to restate what Penguin said, its most likely 4vs2 but it's technically possible to be 3vs1vs2 I suppose.
how does keremal know that im a mafia? i was just not talkative enough to be voted for that lynch to get the game ongoingDeath wrote:
It's hardly logical if both Husa and keremal are mafia. Conveniently throwing in this part:because he knows I'm a normal townie and he just wants to lob Husa in with me in order to save his fellow mafia.keremal wrote:
Then again, Death and Husa might be exceptions/townies that're unintentionally trying to mislead people, and Death is actually a Normal Townie.
In Death's theory, both you and Kere are mafia, so that's why he would know. The reason why you got voted was because you WEREN'T talking. A lot of the times new players who are mafia tend to be quiet so that's why we initially voted you.Husa wrote:
how does keremal know that im a mafia? i was just not talkative enough to be voted for that lynch to get the game ongoingDeath wrote:
It's hardly logical if both Husa and keremal are mafia. Conveniently throwing in this part:because he knows I'm a normal townie and he just wants to lob Husa in with me in order to save his fellow mafia.keremal wrote:
Then again, Death and Husa might be exceptions/townies that're unintentionally trying to mislead people, and Death is actually a Normal Townie.
We'll be able to weed out the people enjoy playing this game and post often and the people who don't soon enough. It'll take a few games to find a good crew of people, but we'll get there.Sakura wrote:
Is it too much to ask to post at least once every 48 hours?
Husa wrote:
mafiosos, one more vote and you'll be wiping out a townie, come out now!
Well, with my theory, it's either husa/kere or death/craven. So it's entirely possible that we're lynching a townie right now. I just really don't know though. There's not much info to go off of.Westonini wrote:
Everyone seemed to gun for Husa pretty quickly.. and no one is defending them in any way. I can't help but feel uneasy about this.
I feel like either 2/3 people voting Husa off is voting for Husa because they're mafia members and they know that Husa is a townie, or keremal is the other mafia member and they aren't defending Husa because defending Husa would make them seem like a mafia member (or maybe it's just because keremal doesn't really talk a lot in general).
I mean at this rate I'm planning on voting Husa tomorrow, but we just seemed to come to this conclusion so quickly that I can't help but feel like the voting is suspiciously happening a bit too easily.
That's just kind of how mafia goes. There is not much to go off of the first day or so, so you kind of have to take the little that you have and go off of it. Usually it is much better when there are a significantly more people playing. It's also easier to come to conclusions if you play the game IRL, easier to judge people that way.Westonini wrote:
...I can't help but feel like the voting is suspiciously happening a bit too easily.
Hey guys! Give me a sec, I'll make a more formal post right now.cravenfiner wrote:
hi john
nevermind, i need to get more info if anyuthing but this is a high iq gameHusa wrote:
do you want to hear more from me? if i can be saved, id do anything(?)
johnmedina999 wrote:
https://old.ppy.sh/forum/p/6965548 (willingness to vote for abraker when he was being questioned)
abraker wrote:
Ok got the reaction I wanted
Penguin is a safe town read
abraker wrote:
Main reason is because Penguin did not vote me after all that and remained on Husa. Give mafia a reason to vote someone and they will take it, and that will be their excuse when the lynched does turn town.
abraker wrote:
Oh wait he did. I'll reply again when I have the beer out of my system :\
johnmedina999 wrote:
https://old.ppy.sh/forum/p/6973062, https://old.ppy.sh/forum/p/6973063 (willingness to vote for anyone)
Penguin wrote:
we gotta be proactive and vote someone or else we're just gonna be sitting here twiddling our thumbs and doing nothing while mafia runs the game.
johnmedina999 wrote:
https://old.ppy.sh/forum/p/6976475 (willingness to vote for Husa)
johnmedina999 wrote:
It also doesn't help that he hasn't contributed much to the witchhunt, he just kinda goes with the flow.
It's common among newbie scum to look for an excuse to vote for someone else as soon as possible, and as far as I can tell, this is his first game (due to https://old.ppy.sh/forum/p/6962555 and also I can't find much on Google)
Here are the possibilities, as I see them:Penguin wrote:
If westo was mafia, he would have already voted Husa if Husa was town. Which means that it would have to be Westo / Husa as mafia instead of Husa / John.
Assuming Husa is town, I can't be scum, see above logic. If he is, I can't be his partner either. Keremal expressly stated in his last post that he would hammer Husa if it came down to it. I can't really give more evidence due to Kere not talking much, but he's relatively new, and was most likely being honest when saying that.Penguin wrote:
But at the same time, YOU could possibly be trying to throw shade over towards Westo since you know that your teammate is on the chopping block right now.
Westonini wrote:
johnmedina999 wrote:
https://old.ppy.sh/forum/p/6965548 (willingness to vote for abraker when he was being questioned)
In abraker's case, there were several things that he had said that made him seem suspicious. The main two points against him were:
1.) When under fire by Penguin, in order to dismiss everything said and play it off he simply replied with2.) Which then led to him claiming he didnt realize Penguin voted for him because he was "drunk".abraker wrote:
Ok got the reaction I wanted
Penguin is a safe town readabraker wrote:
Main reason is because Penguin did not vote me after all that and remained on Husa. Give mafia a reason to vote someone and they will take it, and that will be their excuse when the lynched does turn town.abraker wrote:
Oh wait he did. I'll reply again when I have the beer out of my system :\
Anyone would have found this suspicious. However, I was hesitant and never actually voted for him. Then the day ended with a No-Lynch.
Westonini]"[quote="johnmedina999 wrote:
https://old.ppy.sh/forum/p/6973062, https://old.ppy.sh/forum/p/6973063 (willingness to vote for anyone)
Penguin wrote:
we gotta be proactive and vote someone or else we're just gonna be sitting here twiddling our thumbs and doing nothing while mafia runs the game.
Westonini wrote:
johnmedina999 wrote:
https://old.ppy.sh/forum/p/6976475 (willingness to vote for Husa)
As for this time, while I did claim I would vote Husa I was also pretty hesitant on it as well. I announced that I would be voting Husa soon in order to force them to say something for their case since we haven't really heard anything in their defense. If I voted for Husa that would be it for them, we'd have 4/4 votes needed to lynch. If that's really what I wanted I could have just voted for them right then and there. But I was apprehensive because if we mess up and accidentally vote off a townie, we'd lose the game. 4vs2 -> Lynch Townie 3vs2 -> Night Phase 2vs2 -> fulfills mafia wn requirements.johnmedina999 wrote:
It also doesn't help that he hasn't contributed much to the witchhunt, he just kinda goes with the flow.
It's common among newbie scum to look for an excuse to vote for someone else as soon as possible, and as far as I can tell, this is his first game (due to https://old.ppy.sh/forum/p/6962555 and also I can't find much on Google)
While it's true that I said I'd go with the flow, I've only actually done that to an extent. I don't want others to control my votes and I aim to sway the conversation if there's something that needs to be brought up. Such as letting Husa have a chance to defend themselves for example. I normally try to take a neutral side between people instead of being biased towards one person. If anyone says something suspicious, I will question them on it. The times I announced to everyone I'd be voting abraker and Husa soon was only to give them an incentive to defend themselves.[/quote]
It's your neutrality that doesn't sit right with me. It seems to me that you're not taking anyone's side, you're trying not to offend anyone, and therefore you won't get accused of being Mafia, and you can pick people off at night.
[quote="Westonini]"If I was a mafia member, don't you think I would have voted someone at least once already in hopes of getting a townie lynched? The only vote I've ever made thus far was "No-Lynch".[/quote]
This is the part that troubles me as well, for above reasons. I don't know what to think about it yet.
I don't understand how you can't be scum if Husa is or isn't mafia. Kere saying that he would vote husa if it came down to it could also just be to save his ass. Similar to the same situation with Westo if he is mafia.johnmedina999 wrote:
Here are the possibilities, as I see them:Penguin wrote:
If westo was mafia, he would have already voted Husa if Husa was town. Which means that it would have to be Westo / Husa as mafia instead of Husa / John.If Husa is town, the first and second condition only leave the third: because Westo isn't voting for Husa I can infer that he is town. That only leaves Death, cravenfinder, and Penguin.
- Both Westo and Husa are scum. This means that the reason Westo is hesitant is because he doesn't want to kill a fellow Mafia member, despite what he says about feeling guilty of lynching a "fellow townie".
- Westo is scum and Husa is town. This is unlikely because he would have already won the game. One town Lynch and one nightkill = win for Mafia. On a side note, we can infer that everyone not voting for Husa as of this minute is town, because if not, the other Mafia member would have hammered him by now. Unless Husa is Mafia himself. If so, then I can't make a conclusion as affirmative as that.
- Westo is town. It doesn't matter whether Husa is scum of not because he can't know for sure. This would explain his hesitance.
However, if Husa isn't, then I can't say anything for certain. I also can't say if Husa is town or not, since he barely even talks. Anyone could be his partner.Assuming Husa is town, I can't be scum, see above logic. If he is, I can't be his partner either. Keremal expressly stated in his last post that he would hammer Husa if it came down to it. I can't really give more evidence due to Kere not talking much, but he's relatively new, and was most likely being honest when saying that.Penguin wrote:
But at the same time, YOU could possibly be trying to throw shade over towards Westo since you know that your teammate is on the chopping block right now.
johnmedina999 wrote:
It's your neutrality that doesn't sit right with me. It seems to me that you're not taking anyone's side, you're trying not to offend anyone, and therefore you won't get accused of being Mafia, and you can pick people off at night.
He did not even come close to expressly stating this. At most he mentioned the very slight possibility that Husa is mafia for a single sentence in his last post, and then immediately proceeded to list the other possibility that he wasn't. And he also grouped me into the same Normal Townie group... I have already stated my opinion on that.johnmedina999 wrote:
Keremal expressly stated in his last post that he would hammer Husa if it came down to it.
Kere didn't leave me in any "hole". He barely even posted. My posts so far in chronological order are as follows:Death wrote:
I think john's most recent posts are a desperate attempt to dig himself out of the hole that keremal left for him.