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osu! Release (b20120521/22)

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peppy
Following the previous release in quick succession, here is a bug fix build which also brings a few of the features which have been on the test server for almost a year now, as well as a few important changes to osu! gameplay:

  1. Chat tabs are now smarter and can be rearranged.
  2. All mods except Autoplay (obviously :p) are now submitted. SpunOut is now rankable with a 0.9x multiplier, while Relax and AutoPilot just add to playcount and total score. As we are moving towards a pp-based system, I don't see a reason for not having it this way. For those complaining about SpunOut changes, read below.
  3. Fixes bugs from the last release.
  4. Hopefully fixes polish keyboard input.
  5. A lot of other small changes, but you can go read the changelog and/or find them yourself!
Let me also point out that since the last release, you can officially run osu! in OS X to submit scores and play pretty smoothly! More details here.

Please report any issues you have in the support forum (but check first for an existing thread before making a new one!). More updates coming soon!

SpunOut was never supposed to be a practice mod. It was meant to give those people not wanting to spin a chance to play (as in the past, people complained that spinning was hurting their hands/wrists). I am just bringing it back in line with its true purpose. It is now rankable since I don't see a reason to now allow it to be. Any average player will be able to beat the rate it spins at with relative ease — and even if they can't, the slight negative multiplier will ensure it is fair.

If you want a "practice" mode, log out. I don't agree with the concept of hiding your practicing. If you are trying to hide the fact you have to practice in order to get that awesome score, then you are basically cheating. Practice is nothing to be ashamed of, so just do it online. Or unplug your network cable and be silly.

Edit: The accuracy formula will soon be changed. I did originally state this in my post but I must have edited it out by mistake.
Mara

peppy wrote:

[*] All mods except Autoplay (obviously :p) are now rankable.
Time to be the greatest with Relax. Nice update.
Eremes 111
peppy. That was fast to make a release again OwOb
so i can use relax now?
Interesting.
Nyquill
finally I can rearrange my friggen chat tabs.
jonathanlfj
so does that mean for a game mode like spunout, the score you achieve will count toward ur ranked score (assume its ranked map) and/or total score? How will it affect ur accuracy and play count?
TicClick

peppy wrote:

  1. Chat tabs are now smarter and can be rearranged.
Yee-haw!
BrokenArrow
Now we can't play just4fun maps + SpunOut in multiplayer anymore without getting shitranks? Well fuck it.
Corin
I'm scared.
Luvdic

BrokenArrow wrote:

Now we can't play just4fun maps + SpunOut in multiplayer anymore without getting shitranks? Well fuck it.
You clearly didn't read this:

Accuracy calculations will likely change in the near future, so don't worry too much about those few scores you have at really low accuracy — they will soon be excluded from your total.
Anyways, I think that relax and autopilot mods should be x0.10, just my opinion though...
soulcollector_old
Ever since i updated my osu, whenever i almost finish a song it crashes. :(
Pokie
Oh wow, New build again (*´∀`*)
Yarissa
So in other words this means I need to go offline to practice impossibly hard songs if I'm worried about my score getting ranked with a low accuracy. If you don't mind me asking, what's the accuracy threshold for being ranked?
tgmerge
So I have to go offline when I want to relax- -
Well, not too bad but somehow still don't like it ...
[Dellirium]
osu! crashes sometime when one plays with relax mod.
Not just me has this.
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xsrsbsns
osu crashed 3 times in a row in the same map http://osu.ppy.sh/s/44591 right after finishing the last spinner (with DT+HD)

edit: well after that the last 2 plays were fine again
Wishy
Inb4 FL players now "play offline" or just disappear?

Good modifications imo, hiding your play counts was gay anyways.
Hiza-chan
My OSU crashed twice now. It was on 2 different maps.
Valentiino

Wishy22 wrote:

hiding your play counts was gay anyways.
QFT
chonicle
osu crashes after playing with relax mod. When the scores should appear, osu just crashes :<
Hope peppy can fix this in next release soon T.T
Maneuver
I'm curious as to how achievement works now, last time with unrankable mod except Auto, can i get 2000 combo or any combo achievement when it is unrankable ?

and now it is rankable, can i get 2000 combo or any combo achievement with spun-out + auto pilot ?
JMC

peppy wrote:

[*] Chat tabs are now smarter and can be rearranged.
cool.....
but now, spunout is not cool... :cry:
LukaXD
So I'm not the only one that crashes with relax...
Neverrtheless this update is really good (Finally... rearrangable tabs :D )
Shirotaku
(~*0*)~ awesome
Wishy
Could you add some kind of message like "Your chat partner has disconnected." when your... chat partner disconnects? Same if he connects, sometimes you don't really notice he is gone/came back online.
Ohrami

Wishy22 wrote:

Could you add some kind of message like "Your chat partner has disconnected." when your... chat partner disconnects? Same if he connects, sometimes you don't really notice he is gone/came back online.
It used to tell you if someone was offline when you sent the person a message. Now it just lets you talk to yourself for however long you want. ;-;
Kitsunemimi

Wishy22 wrote:

Could you add some kind of message like "Your chat partner has disconnected." when your... chat partner disconnects? Same if he connects, sometimes you don't really notice he is gone/came back online.
There's a feature request for this, and this used to be normal behaviour, but it disappeared somehow (I think during the Bancho update of last October... if I remember correctly).

Still, if you want you can dig around a bit for the thread in Feature Requests.
Topic Starter
peppy
It should tell you the user isn't there when you send a message?
leepdesu
Spun Out is 0.9x
Thank Goodness, I thought the tablet users were getting the upper hand and the advantage of spinning.
Wishy

peppy wrote:

It should tell you the user isn't there when you send a message?
It doesn't, just tried it out with Fabi. And he spammed me so much he even got muted.
Fabi

peppy wrote:

It should tell you the user isn't there when you send a message?
It doesn't.

2012-05-21 15:38:40 SILENCE 5 minute(s) spamming Wishy22 (automated server protection)

When he logged out I still could send him messages.
JappyBabes
So Relax/Autopilot was removed because of certain maps that are considered extremely difficult?
Topic Starter
peppy
For the time being I removed rankability on those two mods, yes. There are some outlier maps which make for silly results.
Weedle_old

peppy wrote:

For the time being I removed rankability on those two mods, yes.
So, they will be rankable later? Or they will just increace playcount?
JappyBabes

peppy wrote:

There are some outlier maps which make for silly results.
If that's the case, are there any plans for changes in no-fail (less multiplier or unranked) as that also makes some stupidly impossible maps an easy top 40.
theowest
So SpunOut is 0,60x now. aight.

The spinning should be faster.
And you should be able to pick what way it should turn. Most players turn the opposite way. :v ok, that doesn't really matter.
Sakura

theowest wrote:

And you should be able to pick what way it should turn.
How does that even matter
theowest

Sakura wrote:

theowest wrote:

And you should be able to pick what way it should turn.
How does that even matter?
From what I've experienced, if you spin along, you're able to add on points.
my bad, you can't. D:
Topic Starter
peppy
SpunOut should actually be 0.9x. It'll be fixed in the next release.
Mismagius
For the people concerned about their accuracy/playcount:



Stop caring about it.



Thanks.
ReVeNg3r
so now i can play my fl+hd+spunout,,or anything + spunout..
BUT what if i do not want to rank my score???i srsly dont wanna right now
then stop playin or what?(also i dont wanna logout o.o)
Topic Starter
peppy
let me summarise your situation then:

options:
stop playing
logout
Rena-chan

JappyBabes wrote:

If that's the case, are there any plans for changes in no-fail (less multiplier or unranked) as that also makes some stupidly impossible maps an easy top 40.
Take a quick look at what happens if you tick the no-mod scores only option on that map, and other maps like it.
Cygnus
That's just silly when someone says they don't want to rank their score. (:
JappyBabes

Rena-chan wrote:

JappyBabes wrote:

If that's the case, are there any plans for changes in no-fail (less multiplier or unranked) as that also makes some stupidly impossible maps an easy top 40.
Take a quick look at what happens if you tick the no-mod scores only option on that map, and other maps like it.
Still passable w/ easy. Which is probably what I should of specified, every map can be passed without no-fail.
Cygnus
There should be no bonus scores for Spun-Out. :O
JappyBabes

Philippines wrote:

There should be no bonus scores for Spun-Out. :O
Possibly set the AI for Spun-Out to do the lowest possible SPM for it to get a 300 per spinner.
Sure

peppy wrote:

If you want a "practice" mode, log out.
In addition to this, edit and press F5
Or change its name xD
ReVeNg3r

Philippines wrote:

That's just silly when someone says they don't want to rank their score. (:
I said "right now" ,because of my shit mouse i get realy horrible score...i just wanna toggle for rank/no-rank :cry:
Cygnus

ReVeNg3r wrote:

Philippines wrote:

That's just silly when someone says they don't want to rank their score. (:
I said "right now", because of my shit mouse i get realy horrible score...i just wanna toggle for rank/no-rank :cry:
Then stop the game when you're about to finish the song. Simple as that. (:



On the other hand, shouldn't SpunOut be in the Difficulty Reduction Row? :O
ReVeNg3r

Philippines wrote:

Then stop the game when you're about to finish the song. Simple as that. (:
...the only way , i guess.
Eyenine
This one's a good update especially for those who likes killing their accuracy nvm
After all, what's the point of not ranking your score? As if that's gonna end your osu! life...

JappyBabes wrote:

Rena-chan wrote:

Take a quick look at what happens if you tick the no-mod scores only option on that map, and other maps like it.
Still passable w/ easy. Which is probably what I should of specified, every map can be passed without no-fail.
You do know that you can be revived several times w/ easy, right? And in addition, difficulty is also decreased, severely (especially the hp drain), making it almost the same as having nofail on (well, if you're on the tier of cookiezi or somewhere near that, you can notice it yourself with cannot-be-passed-without-mods maps)
Rey-volution
good update peppy! :D
thesims
I love it.
Thanks peppy :D
Shiroemon

peppy wrote:

If you want a "practice" mode, log out. I don't agree with the concept of practicing. If you are trying to hide the fact you have to practice in order to get that awesome score, then you are basically cheating. Practice is nothing to be ashamed of, so just do it online. Or unplug your network cable and be silly.
I love you because you said this. :)
rockleejkooo
peppy.
i want to say some words about spunout.
sometimes player just want to pass a map without having A, B or even C and do screenshot, save replay especially if he easily can fc a map without mods or even hr+hd or just play in multiplayer with others without failing in the end every single map.
i don't see any reason to steal this possibility from players.
u did it for not hiding players' actual playcount. i agree with you.
what i'm offering - make spunout like relax or autopilot. just count plays.
thank you.
Cygnus

rockleejkooo wrote:

peppy.
i want to say some words about spunout.
sometimes player just want to pass a map without having A, B or even C and do screenshot, save replay especially if he easily can fc a map without mods or even hr+hd or just play in multiplayer with others without failing in the end every single map.
i don't see any reason to steal this possibility from players.
u did it for not hiding players' actual playcount. i agree with you.
what i'm offering - make spunout like relax or autopilot. just count plays.
thank you.
If he does that, the essence of having a "SpunOut" is gone. SpunOut is made for auto spin, not just for passing a map without having a b c, maybe d? :O
Glass


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mochi
lol
ryuu

rockleejkooo wrote:

peppy.
i want to say some words about spunout.
sometimes player just want to pass a map without having A, B or even C and do screenshot, save replay especially if he easily can fc a map without mods or even hr+hd or just play in multiplayer with others without failing in the end every single map.
i don't see any reason to steal this possibility from players.
u did it for not hiding players' actual playcount. i agree with you.
what i'm offering - make spunout like relax or autopilot. just count plays.
thank you.
subscribe to every word.
rockleejkooo

Philippines wrote:

If he does that, the essence of having a "SpunOut" is gone. SpunOut is made for auto spin, not just for passing a map without having a b c, maybe d? :O
in my opinion exactly for this.
0.9x multiplier is strange too cuz no one will play maps and lose 10% of score just because they're lazy.
dt gives 12%.
(i thought about leaving spunout with x1.0 cuz everyone can earn more bonus than spunout but making it unrankable is still much better)

[Ryuu] wrote:

subscribe to every word.
Drafura

peppy wrote:

If you want a "practice" mode, log out. I don't agree with the concept of practicing. If you are trying to hide the fact you have to practice in order to get that awesome score, then you are basically cheating. Practice is nothing to be ashamed of, so just do it online. Or unplug your network cable and be silly.
So basically you don't want to see players to not submit a score cause it's a bad score for their accuarcy/playcount ? I'm okay with the main idea but why just don't delete the accuarcy stat and playcount stat ? If there's no stats about this then nobody will care, or will be ashamed, about submiting a bad score.

Well i'm not going to logout to play but, it's sad that we can't spec a guy which is training a map offline, cause he wants to keep ridiculously great stats...
Kasie
Relax still showing unranked
Phenomz

rockleejkooo wrote:

peppy.
i want to say some words about spunout.
sometimes player just want to pass a map without having A, B or even C and do screenshot, save replay especially if he easily can fc a map without mods or even hr+hd or just play in multiplayer with others without failing in the end every single map.
i don't see any reason to steal this possibility from players.
u did it for not hiding players' actual playcount. i agree with you.
what i'm offering - make spunout like relax or autopilot. just count plays.
thank you.
Exactly my thoughts, I absolutely agree with this.
Colored
I HAVE AN IDEA:
PEPPY, PLEASE, JUST ADD "UNRANKABLE" MODE! WITH SPUN, BUT UNRANKBLE. for players who wants just practice and dont get A, B, C, D SO YOU CAN GIVE NAME TO THIS MOD "PRACTICE MOD". IT WILL COUNT TO PLAYS.
AND ALL BE FINE AND ALL PLAYERS BE HAPPY.
THNX.
Phenomz

uljjang wrote:

I HAVE AN IDEA:
PEPPY, PLEASE, JUST ADD "UNRANKABLE" MODE! WITH SPUN, BUT UNRANKBLE. for players who wants just practice and dont get A, B, C, D SO YOU CAN GIVE NAME TO THIS MOD "PRACTICE MOD". IT WILL COUNT TO PLAYS.
AND ALL BE FINE AND ALL PLAYERS BE HAPPY.
THNX.
Thats everyone's idea, that's what I suggest too.
No need to use caps dude.
peppy does that = everyone happy.

+Also, don't use the "practice" word, apparently peppy does not like it...
chonicle
I saw some records with spunout with abnormal scores.
http://osu.ppy.sh/b/52382 normal
Is this a bug or not?
HakuNoKaemi
It's a bug.
So yeah.. can you substitute the spun out restrictive algorithm with an adaptive one? in the sense it use the correct velocity to have 300 on shorter ninja spinners and no bonus on longer spinners.

Well, hiding the fact you took a A,B,C,D is not the correct argument: it basically make people see what you really did.
I can agree the fact that there were better feature requested in the section, that are actually waited by us folks.
Gcode
so now you cant just play for fun on hard maps?
thelewa
What's the big deal, nothing is stopping you from playing for fun on hard maps.

Is possibly losing 0.01% of your overall accuracy really that bad? Is getting an A, B, C or D really going to destroy your whole osu! career? (funny word to use)
Wishy
If you want to still lie about how much you practice then play off-line, or don't play.
Phenomz

thelewa wrote:

What's the big deal, nothing is stopping you from playing for fun on hard maps.

Is possibly losing 0.01% of your overall accuracy really that bad? Is getting an A, B, C or D really going to destroy your whole osu! career? (funny word to use)
LOL 0,01? you don't know how accuracy works...

I'd like to read the things you're saying from some noob user, not from someone like you who SS's everything he wants to.
It might not "destroy anyone's career", but you won't pretend everyone thinks like you.
thelewa
I don't SS everything I want to :(

Nevertheless I still can't understand the point of faking your own overall accuracy by not submitting scores in hard maps. Once you get better in the game you'll be able to fix those scores and your overall accuracy will improve.
Jordan

thelewa wrote:

What's the big deal, nothing is stopping you from playing for fun on hard maps.

Is possibly losing 0.01% of your overall accuracy really that bad? Is getting an A, B, C or D really going to destroy your whole osu! career? (funny word to use)
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