Caramell - Caramelldansen (Ryu* Remix) (Nightcore Mix) · forum

Star Stream

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Topic Starter

Star Stream 2012-07-07T09:11:53+00:00

updated

additionally
03:28:644 (8,9,10,11) - Irregular jumps once again when normal jumps would have been wonderful. hm, S.S mapped the last several seconds for me for some reasons, so I don't really know his thought here. I'll throow problems to him. as long as some maps has some increasing distance jump, i'll not fix it now
03:54:738 (1) - added NC to be more readable

haha5957

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haha5957 2012-07-07T11:04:21+00:00

What? what is this?

LKs

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LKs 2012-07-07T13:59:44+00:00

http://puu.sh/GzRb

further fixes

cRyo[iceeicee]

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cRyo[iceeicee] 2012-07-07T15:09:14+00:00

03:14:384 (7) - 1.7sv for this slider (ﾉﾟωﾟ)ﾉ

00:41:767 (1) - clap tail
03:25:610 (1,2) - missed claps ?

SPOILER

dkdkdkdkdkdkdkdddkdkd
/me run

those

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those 2012-07-07T16:32:18+00:00

Mythol wrote:
this map is already better than 90% of the maps in this game

Regardless, if it can be made better, it should be. One does not map to rank maps, one maps to make the best damn possible map (not those exact words but you know who I'm quoting).

Frostmourne

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Frostmourne 2012-07-08T03:39:36+00:00

:3
only I found and I think it will distract while playing

Collab

00:56:634 (2) - suddenly comes with 1/4 beat , from previous part , maybe player (me) can't notice in the first time, not intuative and bpm is so fast Q.Q
01:55:800 (1,2) - ^ (but for 2nd time , maybe player can recognize that it's 1/4 beat)
(I assumed this is 1/2 beat in the first time)
maybe something like this ?

SPOILER

02:34:940 (2,3) - from my personal feeling , the distance of each other is too short. , from previous run , I think people will hit (3) early and get missed
so I will move to this position :3

SPOILER

03:32:816 (1,2,3,4,5) - it's really hard to read since this is on the almost last part (some player like me will lose intention a bit)
I know it will ruin your combo system but it helps player a lot to notice this part
I suggest to remove new combo this 03:32:816 (5) - and new combo at 03:33:044 (1) -

that's all I want to point out and my mods come from my "Actual Test Playing" not only looking through the map in editor.

no KD if you don't fix anything which I pointed out above~

The map deserves the bubble in my opinion. , Star and Good luck !

LKs

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LKs 2012-07-09T05:03:57+00:00

Frostmourne wrote:
:3
only I found and I think it will distract while playing

Collab

00:56:634 (2) - suddenly comes with 1/4 beat , from previous part , maybe player (me) can't notice in the first time, not intuative and bpm is so fast Q.Q fixed. I suggest s.s fix this as well
01:55:800 (1,2) - ^ (but for 2nd time , maybe player can recognize that it's 1/4 beat)
(I assumed this is 1/2 beat in the first time)
maybe something like this ?
SPOILER

02:34:940 (2,3) - from my personal feeling , the distance of each other is too short. , from previous run , I think people will hit (3) early and get missed I have some objections. the stack is set to help players "brake". Also it's very obvious that the approach circle is different when it's 1/1 but not 1/2 at AR9
so I will move to this position :3
SPOILER

03:32:816 (1,2,3,4,5) - it's really hard to read since this is on the almost last part (some player like me will lose intention a bit)
I know it will ruin your combo system but it helps player a lot to notice this part S.S will consider this
I suggest to remove new combo this 03:32:816 (5) - and new combo at 03:33:044 (1) -

http://puu.sh/H0QF

thanks

Shiro

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Shiro 2012-07-18T11:33:15+00:00

Rechecking. Sorry for the delay...

This is looking much better. However, some parts in the collab are still improvable:

01:17:722 (4,5,6,7) - this and all similar patterns in the map: this movement is weird and inconsistent. I would understand why would use jumps here, but just one jump seemingly randomly in the middle of the pattern just doesn't work. Make them all jumps - and if you want to keep that shape, select 01:17:873 (5,6) - and flip them horizontally.
01:47:456 (1,2,3) - To match the music better, the jump should be on (1,2), not (2,3). This jump only looks like it exists for the sake of aesthetics, disregarding entirely the song and the flow. If anything make (1,2) a jump as well.
02:39:643 (2,3,4,5,1,2,3,4) - This rhythm makes absolutely no sense. Sure, there is a triple starting at 02:40:553 - but your rhythm is just confusing, surprising, and doesn't play well.
03:26:217 (1,2,3,4) - Because they are entirely hidden under sliders, and because the blue colour is quite dark, these four notes are close to being unreadable. Either make the blue colour brighter (I don't get why it's so dark when the other colours are much brighter but well), either change these circles' placement to make something more readable.

LKs

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LKs 2012-07-18T15:03:06+00:00

Odaril wrote:
Rechecking. Sorry for the delay...

01:47:456 (1,2,3) - To match the music better, the jump should be on (1,2), not (2,3). This jump only looks like it exists for the sake of aesthetics, disregarding entirely the song and the flow. If anything make (1,2) a jump as well. jump exists for the sake of aesthetics has no wrong in my opinion, as long as the flow/movement is not entirely terrible.
02:39:643 (2,3,4,5,1,2,3,4) - This rhythm makes absolutely no sense. Sure, there is a triple starting at 02:40:553 - but your rhythm is just confusing, surprising, and doesn't play well. fixed the first slider but keep the second one, since there is a strong 1/4 rhythm in the song

http://puu.sh/JAp1

omegaflo

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Joined March 2009

omegaflo 2012-07-18T21:40:51+00:00

Hi >:3

Sound distorsion at 03.14:460 to 03.14:536 ? o.o

Wmf's Taiko

(Are you really trying to follow vocals on a music like this ? o.o)

Well i know it was said before but i'll repeat it :
a HUGE part one these 1/1 microbreaks don't fit at all
i'll try to list them and point them

00:26:900
00:31:754
00:52:083
01:26:369
01:28:796
01:51:552
02:09:605
03:45:484 - This one is really weird, fix needed =x

BUT look at 0:11:046 and 01:11:350 : these are perfect ! So you can do it =D, just try to select the good ones

I'm not listing the kiai one's, for a simple reason

REMOVE THEM

Seriously, kiai is supposed to be an EPIC part of the map, the most rythmic and flawless part of it, with these "blanks" you just totally ruin this moment, if you really want to put some blank, do it at the end of the chorus, just like you do actually, but not more, trying to follow vocals on this is...

02:44:346 (1104,1105,1106,1107,1108,1109,1110, 1111,1112,1113,1114,1115,1116,1117,1118,1119,1120, 1121,1122,1123,1124,1125,1126,1127,1128,1129,1130,1131,1132,1133,1134,1135,1136,1137,1138) - HEAVY problem on 1120-1129 exactly, 9 Kats in a row here is just unreadable (Switching ddkkddkk to kkkkkkkkk, you will break fingerz and brainz) try to fix it maybe =x

02:47:380 (1142,1143,1144) - simple suggest, maybe change it to dkd ? three kdk in a row is a bit too much :3

I'll not mod Hitsounds, because everyone seems to do it (and only this btw ._.) so =o

Good luck =)

wmfchris

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wmfchris 2012-07-19T09:23:08+00:00

omegaflo wrote:
Hi >:3

Sound distorsion at 03.14:460 to 03.14:536 ? o.o
the song itself sounds like this

Wmf's Taiko
(Are you really trying to follow vocals on a music like this ? o.o)

Well i know it was said before but i'll repeat it :
a HUGE part one these 1/1 microbreaks don't fit at all
i'll try to list them and point them
00:26:900
00:31:754
00:52:083
01:26:369
01:28:796
01:51:552
02:09:605
03:45:484 - This one is really weird, fix needed =x
BUT look at 0:11:046 and 01:11:350 : these are perfect ! So you can do it =D, just try to select the good ones

nope. It has a consistent logic where break doesn't exist with the vocal screams. The 1/1 break fits with the pattern after the break with the background echo.

I'm not listing the kiai one's, for a simple reason

REMOVE THEM

Seriously, kiai is supposed to be an EPIC part of the map, the most rythmic and flawless part of it, with these "blanks" you just totally ruin this moment, if you really want to put some blank, do it at the end of the chorus, just like you do actually, but not more, trying to follow vocals on this is...

kiai section in taiko diff usually represents the chrous, in most case the melodic climax is there. However, the emotional shift in the song, from normal section to kiai part is not significant (this is mostly because the lyrics have been repeated before kiai) so there's no need to make it streamer. Talking about the break and re-acceleration before the beginning of the kiai part, it's well delivered by the beginning stream in each kiai sections.

02:44:346 (1104,1105,1106,1107,1108,1109,1110, 1111,1112,1113,1114,1115,1116,1117,1118,1119,1120, 1121,1122,1123,1124,1125,1126,1127,1128,1129,1130,1131,1132,1133,1134,1135,1136,1137,1138) - HEAVY problem on 1120-1129 exactly, 9 Kats in a row here is just unreadable (Switching ddkkddkk to kkkkkkkkk, you will break fingerz and brainz) try to fix it maybe =x

no sv change, all 1/4s, I can't see how it's unreadable (I've asked quite a number of taiko players to test with), and this is a transition to ...kdddkdk .

02:47:380 (1142,1143,1144) - simple suggest, maybe change it to dkd ? three kdk in a row is a bit too much :3

In fact I don't know why people like kdk dkd kdk dkd, the vocal repeats in a simple way here and I don't see the need to change it to dkd instead of simple repetition.

I'll not mod Hitsounds, because everyone seems to do it (and only this btw ._.) so =o

Good luck =)

thx 4 your effort but I'm not going to change these stuffs

omegaflo

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omegaflo 2012-07-19T13:16:14+00:00

oooooook...

So you're saying there's no problem at 03:45:484 =x Did you even check it? Well, no problem for me, I can understand the argument, so...

However, for the stream at 02:44:346 the problem lies in the transition, the SV is faster than the 9-row kat, how are you supposed to read the kkkkkkkkk immediately after a ddkkddkk? Personally, but also for many people, we'll play 8 or 10 kats in a row and miss AT LEAST once. I don't care if UBAHppl get it right, it's not fun to retry at 1k1 combo or having to check the editor to see it...

A simple question:

The 1/1 break fits with the pattern after the break with the background echo

Wtf? Are you saying that patterns are more important than being accurate to the music???

wmfchris

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wmfchris 2012-07-20T23:14:51+00:00

omegaflo wrote:
oooooook...

So you're saying there's no problem at 03:45:484 =x Did you even check it? Well, no problem for me, I can understand the argument, so...
Followed most what I've put after the 1/1 break (xxx x ...) and I failed to see how does odd it is...

However, for the stream at 02:44:346 the problem lies in the transition, the SV is faster than the 9-row kat, how are you supposed to read the kkkkkkkkk immediately after a ddkkddkk? Personally, but also for many people, we'll play 8 or 10 kats in a row and miss AT LEAST once. I don't care if UBAHppl get it right, it's not fun to retry at 1k1 combo or having to check the editor to see it...

but 9 as a 1/4 stream lasting 2 beats should be a default length --- if you failed to read you would rather guess it's 9 not 8 or 10?

A simple question:
The 1/1 break fits with the pattern after the break with the background echo
Wtf? Are you saying that patterns are more important than being accurate to the music???

maybe you misunderstood my word, ok maybe my bad phrasing. It fits the music, and it's the result from the vocal break and background echo.

Fumika

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Joined November 2011

Fumika 2012-07-21T15:05:17+00:00

Nyan

all just suggestion.

[Wmf's Taiko]

00:27:507 (90,91,92,93,94) - kdd k ?
00:31:451 (120,121) - k k ?
00:37:519 (163) - k ?
00:49:656 (263) - k ?
00:51:173 (273,274) - k d ?
00:53:145 (287) - k ?
01:14:232 (440,441) - d k ?
01:26:065 (525) - k ?
01:26:976 (531,532) - k d ?
01:32:741 (575) - k ?
01:35:320 (588) - K ?
01:40:174 (621) - k ?
02:47:077 (1139,1140,1141,1142,1143,1144,1145,1146,1147) - change to slider ?
03:04:220 (69) - k ?
03:04:523 (70,71,72,73) - d d k d ?
03:05:433 - add d ?
03:06:040 (78) - ^
03:13:625 (113,114) - k k ?
03:54:890 (1) - Why add finish at this ?

as Star Stream's requested.

gl owo//

HashishKabob

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Joined September 2011

HashishKabob 2012-07-24T20:45:23+00:00

[Wmf's Taiko]

I was going to mod this, but now looking at it in the editor. I can't, I just can't. Almost every single piece of this map needs fixed in my opinion.

-1/1 mini-breaks don't fit, especially during your kiai time.
-Finish usage is bad because it follows the vocals, and it isn't even consistent with the vocals.
-Patterns are inconsistent and constantly follow the vocals (which is technically allowed, but is shunned by the taiko community, and mapping as long as you have, you should know that by now).

And this is constant throughout the entire song/map.

wmfchris

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wmfchris 2012-07-26T09:11:02+00:00

Netsukawa wrote:
Nyan

all just suggestion.

[Wmf's Taiko]

00:27:507 (90,91,92,93,94) - kdd k ? the 3 vocal notes sounds like to be in a group so my idea is to stream it through
00:31:451 (120,121) - k k ? ->d k due to the pitch of vocal
00:37:519 (163) - k ? kept d to make a contrast with the coming kkkkk stuff
00:49:656 (263) - k ? nice
00:51:173 (273,274) - k d ? yesss
00:53:145 (287) - k ? vocal stays low (combing with the next pharse)
01:14:232 (440,441) - d k ? ^
01:26:065 (525) - k ? ^ vocal pitch changes at next note
01:26:976 (531,532) - k d ? yes
01:32:741 (575) - k ? should be either d~d~d or k~k~k here but d kkk stuff is used later so d here
01:35:320 (588) - K ? emphasizes the vocal here, but your suggestion works too
01:40:174 (621) - k ? k
02:47:077 (1139,1140,1141,1142,1143,1144,1145,1146,1147) - change to slider ? Disliked the use of slider since it becomes a free styled 1/4 stream, and we should avoid entering slider with a 1/4 stream and obviously we can't stop that stream here.
03:04:220 (69) - k ? k
03:04:523 (70,71,72,73) - d d k d ? d d d k
03:05:433 - add d ? Even softer part in a soft section, so used 1/1 plainly here
03:06:040 (78) - ^ ^
03:13:625 (113,114) - k k ? followed vocal
03:54:890 (1) - Why add finish at this ? It affects nothing (I don't know there's a finish lol) but ok removed

as Star Stream's requested.

gl owo//

thanks :3

HashishKabob wrote:
[Wmf's Taiko]

I was going to mod this, but now looking at it in the editor. I can't, I just can't. Almost every single piece of this map needs fixed in my opinion.

-1/1 mini-breaks don't fit, especially during your kiai time.
-Finish usage is bad because it follows the vocals, and it isn't even consistent with the vocals.
-Patterns are inconsistent and constantly follow the vocals (which is technically allowed, but is shunned by the taiko community, and mapping as long as you have, you should know that by now).

And this is constant throughout the entire song/map.

Followed vocal in most of the time where 1/1 break comes with vocal, while suitable variation is never a bad thing. I don't see how it's inconsistant and if you think there're finish used inconsistantly just point it out precisely.

===========================

btw fixed some by myself

SPOILER

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Artist:Caramell
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Yuukari-Banteki

1,534 posts

Joined June 2008

Yuukari-Banteki 2012-08-01T06:27:44+00:00

[Taiko]
it'd be nice if you could label it as an Oni instead of just taiko

[Collab]
01:10:895 (1,2,3) - if you're going to do this pattern can you at least make sure that 2-3 looks like a j-flip of 1 like so? http://puu.sh/Nz1n
01:11:805 (2,3) - ^
02:46:167 (1) - holy mother of jumps why
03:01:337 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11,12,13...17) - working on living up to your name, ne? might wanna break it up a bit though.
03:48:973 (2,3) - as with 01:10
03:49:580 (2,3) - ^

wmfchris

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wmfchris 2012-08-01T06:32:34+00:00

Just as the 100 taiko diffs I've made before [Wmf's Taiko] has been a clear label about my diff as well as difficulty level, so I guess I'm not going to change this and same for rest of my diffs in other places.

LKs

3,119 posts

Joined August 2009

LKs 2012-08-01T13:25:32+00:00

Saturos-fangirl wrote:
[Collab]
01:10:895 (1,2,3) - if you're going to do this pattern can you at least make sure that 2-3 looks like a j-flip of 1 like so? http://puu.sh/Nz1n don't see anything bad here either it's gameplay or looking
01:11:805 (2,3) - ^
02:46:167 (1) - holy mother of jumps why Have explained before. this jump isn't hard at all and it's not set for difficulty. also it's not unexpected sp a pp#5000 player can do this perfect
03:48:973 (2,3) - as with 01:10 o.o I'm not in charge of this part
03:49:580 (2,3) - ^

Kiddo-Kun

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Joined May 2009

Kiddo-Kun 2012-08-13T06:15:36+00:00

Hello! So, since modding app. maps is not my division, I got a little help from Garven on the Collab diff.

[Collab.]

• 00:56:331 (1,2) - "This rhythm is pretty stupid...It's more there to try and give it a unique rhythm but when it's the only one it just feels wrong". It's not used again in the chorus for any kind of consistency.
• 02:40:402 (3,4) - "I keep messing up here" Shorten the slider to 02:40:553 and add in a note on 02:40:629

And that should be everything. I feel a lot more comfortable bubbling this since someone else checked.

LKs

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Joined August 2009

LKs 2012-08-14T09:35:34+00:00

http://puu.sh/Vbse

fixed all

Kiddo-Kun

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Joined May 2009

Kiddo-Kun 2012-08-16T04:13:02+00:00

Good luck.

Sync

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Sync 2012-08-19T02:34:31+00:00

hi

fun map

[Collab]
00:58:303 (4,5) - [LKs] This jump is massive. It's hard to read, especially if you're playing with combo bursts. Move (5) up a bit to where it isn't covered by the hitburst, preferably above the slider.
01:04:675 (7) - [LKs] Change this into hit circles instead. Not sure why you chose to use a 1/4-slider -- it plays weirdly and doesn't give as good of a feel to the music as hit circles would.
01:35:320 (1) - [Star Stream] Space this further apart. It's really easy to misread it and hit it too early especially because of how fast-paced this song is.
02:40:098 (5,1) - [LKs] Remove the combo from (1) and put it on the note before it instead to be consistent and it'd follow the vocals better.
02:41:767 (12) - [LKs] see 01:04:675 (7)

[wmf's Taiko]
03:27:127 (214) - Make this a kat here so that this section flows better. If you do this, you should probably add another kat at 03:27:886 (220) too.

~~also, confused about the status of this map. Kiddo, is that bubble #2? Can somebody clear this up?~~

nevermind, cleared up

LKs

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Joined August 2009

LKs 2012-08-19T04:48:55+00:00

Sync wrote:
hi

fun map

[Collab]
00:58:303 (4,5) - [LKs] This jump is massive. It's hard to read, especially if you're playing with combo bursts. Move (5) up a bit to where it isn't covered by the hitburst, preferably above the slider. loool I didn't design a jump here completely. I have no idea why this is a jump, confused.. fortunately I saved backups so now it's restored
01:04:675 (7) - [LKs] Change this into hit circles instead. Not sure why you chose to use a 1/4-slider -- it plays weirdly and doesn't give as good of a feel to the music as hit circles would. ok
02:40:098 (5,1) - [LKs] Remove the combo from (1) and put it on the note before it instead to be consistent and it'd follow the vocals better. ok
02:41:767 (12) - [LKs] see 01:04:675 (7) ok

http://puu.sh/WHsq

Star Stream

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Joined June 2010

Topic Starter

Star Stream 2012-08-20T08:21:09+00:00

01:35:320 (1) - [Star Stream] Space this further apart. It's really easy to misread it and hit it too early especially because of how fast-paced this song is

I want to stick my perfect copy/pasted notes from 01:33:954 (1,2,3,4) -
I got some more test players and all they had no miss with that part

Sync

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Sync 2012-08-20T10:32:04+00:00

OK I'm alright with you keeping that pattern if others were hitting it fine

here's bubble #2

go get this approved

ToHeart_old

39 posts

Joined November 2011

ToHeart_old 2012-08-20T12:14:41+00:00

I like this map..

go app