Ephemeral wrote:

if you do delete every image in your osu folder, you're going to have to redownload every single beatmap with images attached to it when osz2 comes around in order to be able to play them again.

i would advise otherwise.

ziin wrote:

Whine on folks. Maybe the mappers will finally listen. Or, *gasp*, the good players could start mapping.

Bittersweet wrote:

ziin wrote:

Whine on folks. Maybe the mappers will finally listen. Or, *gasp*, the good players could start mapping.

And i spent all this time blamming BATs for ranking those things. Silly me x'3

Bittersweet wrote:

Oh i know i am. Im not the kind of person that posts anything before think. And bad in that case dont refer to skill.

As i also know that if low skilled players can handle storyboards and even really bad skins, why high skilled ones can't?

- Pizzicato - wrote:

so a good player can play with any hardware with the same performance? ok.

Bittersweet wrote:

but people are similar to monkeys and when you give them too much freedom they'll just throw shit everywhere.

failboat wrote:

You're retarded, bittersweet. Consider actually reading and understanding what I wrote.

If somebody wants to delete a skin element, then I see zero reason for not letting them do so. Their gain or loss, not yours, not the mappers, not peppys nor anybody elses but their own. They either don't get the whatever the fuck joy or whatnot that is the reason for those extra elements is, or they'll get a bunch of unnecessary new storyboard and skin elements to be bothered with.

Okay, it can add to the experience. But it doesn't necessarily makes the game more enjoyable to play.

I couldn't give one fuck less about custom skins, and there is no reason for me to bother with helping people making their skins less annoying, because at the very least the option of playing with the default skin should be there, although would be even better if you could play with the skin of your own choice.

The bad skins per se aren't what will ruin the game, its cutting off the freedom of choice that just might.

Bittersweet wrote:

- Pizzicato - wrote:

so a good player can play with any hardware with the same performance? ok.

Oh, dear. Look this:

SPOILER

Processor:
Intel(R) Pentium(R) Dual CPU E2140 @ 1.60GHz (2 CPUs), ~1.6GHz
Memory:
2048MB RAM
Hard Drive:
160 GB
Video Card:
Intel(R) 82945G Express Chipset Family
Monitor:
Sound Card:
Alto-falantes (Realtek High Definition Audio)

I've been playing with this since i got on osu. Don't tell me that "badass gammers" don't have better machines. Even if they don't, i doubt they have something much worse that a skin/sb would make it burn. So, your argument isn't valid. And you could play with your full potential, if it wasnt this habit people here have to "Oh, you want to be pro. Ok, buy a tablet, a blackwidow, leave your song folder free of images and play everything possible with doubletime". If you tried to get used to that, you most likely would. It's funny because other rhythm games (such as stepmania, pump etc) use way more flashy things, and still people can play them.

Zelmarked, maybe there's no learning curve for confusion, but there's something called adaptivity ;p problem is that players don't want to spend more than 10 mins in a map :p ofc there's some skins that affects gameplay badly, but the great majority of maps don't even have skins, and people still deletes it's bgs.

And i'm not saying here that i didnt delete some elements myself. I'm saying that delete EVERY image from a map, without even knowing if it will affect you or not, is stupid.

Zelmarked wrote:

Visual incomprehensibility is not a challenge. In every osu! map, the objective is always the same, click the notes. Maps that are harder demand better accuracy, faster cpm, and the ability to change up from clicks to to sliders and back again. You will continue to get better in all of these skill fields as you play. One thing you WILL NOT get better at, is deciphering skins/BGs. You can play a single map and get used to that skin after continued play, but once you get to a different skin on a different map, nothing can prepare you for it the first time. Because, as I said, visual incomprehensibility is not a challenge. It's merely a distraction that hurts noob and pro players alike.

Rena-chan wrote:

Reeeeeeaaaaaaaaally now ?

First off, Palette is a horrible example of the bullshit you're trying to explain. The map is easy to read both with the skin and SB.

Second, that's funny. I wonder how I can S maps with horrid skins on the first play, then ? The only time I've had to delete anything from a map in order to be able to play it, was a map that uses a mostly white background with white combo colours and AR9.
So please, explain to me how I learned not to be distracted by this "visual incomprehensibility" when you say there's no learning curve. Or am I just somehow magically better to keep focus only on the hit elements than "everyone" else ?

Derekku wrote:

Hitcircles must never be hidden under slidertracks. Whether a hitcircle is partially or completely under a slidertrack, it is confusing for the player to read. Insane difficulties are the only exception to this rule.

MLGnom wrote:

Funny thing is difference how people look at skins now and how they did 2 years ago. 2 years ago there were much less skins and quality was much worse (and somehow people haven't complain that much like these days do). I don't even remember people who were using "transparent" hitbursts.
In my osu! carrier I used/tested freaking large amount of skins, and as I remember only 2 or 3 skins in maps (not backgrounds)that were somehow terribly bad.
Everything is about getting used to it. If a person is used to skins then he/she won't complain about beatmaps skins. For example,
someone is used to invisible 300, plays map that have skinned hitbursts, reaction? "WTH! I can't play with it". Reason is obvious. It's something new that person haven't use...
Also a lot of people don't delete only bad skins/confusing backgrounds... they delete EVERYTHING. You can't call every background bad or confusing.

If you can't play map why you are trying so hard to play it? If you don't like the song why are you forcing yourself to listening to it? For what? A little score? Where is fun it this?

What Card N'FoRcE said, this discussion is repeating and repeating.
I would like to see people which are complaining about maps trying to map or... even get map ranked.

Also "we can't check every map in pending for skins/backgrounds that are confusing". FFS you lazy asses! 1,250.000 users in osu! community and there is no one that couldn't check 2-3 maps? What's a problem with checking bubbled maps? It's easy to know with one is going to be ranked soon. Complain before map getting ranked, not after.

MLGnom wrote:

"herp derp if you don't like the skin and background then you're not entitled the rights to play the map either"
If you can't play map why you are trying so hard to play it? > Argument isn't "I can't play it because of the skin", but rather, "I don't like the skin, I don't find it to be appealing/I find it to be annoying. I made a skin for myself because thats how I like it. Up until whenever peppy will implement osz2, I've been able to play the game the way I want to play it, but then all of a sudden I will get that privilege taken away?


If you don't like the song why are you forcing yourself to listening to it? For what? A little score? Where is fun it this?
> How is this relevant?

T-Scarlet wrote:

now that i've read this, i feel sorry for mapmakers. > What for? If somebody decides to delete their skin and background, then its less gain, not a loss. Will you really sit down and sob over that a few people didn't like your skin, and whilst not being forced to play with it, deleted it? Does it hurt so much that you have to fuck it over for the players who don't like it?

boat wrote:

Felt like bumping this, with this



just to show that there are a load of skins which at the very least should have the option to be removed, at least temporarily, because captain I can't see shit with all those CRAZY SHINING LIGHTS ALL OVER

I lost the cursor in that blurry glowy mess too many times.

It might not look like a lot in the video, but play the map on a moderately big resolution and you'll most certainly understand what I mean.

http://osu.ppy.sh/s/41568

Sure, its pretty, but it was really hard and annoying even to play with, way harder then with either the default or my own.

boat wrote:

Felt like bumping this, with this



just to show that there are a load of skins which at the very least should have the option to be removed, at least temporarily, because captain I can't see shit with all those CRAZY SHINING LIGHTS ALL OVER