Some players consider the "Flashlight" mod broken in one way or another. I don't want to start an argument of whether you like FL or not, but I want to bring up a specific problem with it: the scores.
The way it works right now, your area of vision gradually grows smaller as you gradually progress through a map with FL. This means that on some maps which have jumps and are fast enough, it's practically impossible to FC them on your first try with FL+Hidden. Even outside of those too-hard maps, FL is generally a mod that requires you to memorize a map, and empathizes the time you put into the map over your skill as a player.
Because of this, I believe it's unfair that FL gives the same score modifier as DT and Hidden. Again, I won't go into the topic of whether FL should work as it is, or whether it should be kept or removed. I heard people who say they like it, so keep it. Simple enough. However, the mod shouldn't give the same score modifier as DT or Hidden. I think it should give less of a modifier than HR.
The main problem with changing a score modifier is: what to do with all the scores that are already recorded on all of the osu maps? If you simply invalidated all the scores gained with "old FL modifier" a lot of people might be angry.
So, I'm like to hear feedback, preferably from 4 groups: new players (under-5star), average players (clear 5star "hard"s), longtime players (clear 5star "insane"s on first try), and if possible a word on this from somebody from osu's team.
When responding to this thread, please state your player level, and answer the following:
1. Do you agree that Flashlight score modifier should be lower than DT and Hidden instead of the same?
2. Do you agree that it should be a lower modifier than HR?
3. How often do you use FL? Do you like playing with it, or do you just add it to get extra score?
4. How often do you use FL on your first run of a map? Can you FC a map with FL on the first time you see it?
5. Do you oppose losing scores you have on maps that you cleared with FL?
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Since I'm also an osu player, I will state my opinion on this as well;
So, guys, your opinions? I'm not expecting to actually see a change in osu's design, unless peppy ends up agreeing with this op and going for it, but I'd like to hear what different players think of the matter to know the general consensus on this.
* Note to moderators: please don't move this to the "Feature Requests" subforum just because the topic says "(Suggestion)". This is not a feature request, I want to poll players' opinions about an issue related to gameplay and ranking. This is the correct forum for this.
The way it works right now, your area of vision gradually grows smaller as you gradually progress through a map with FL. This means that on some maps which have jumps and are fast enough, it's practically impossible to FC them on your first try with FL+Hidden. Even outside of those too-hard maps, FL is generally a mod that requires you to memorize a map, and empathizes the time you put into the map over your skill as a player.
Because of this, I believe it's unfair that FL gives the same score modifier as DT and Hidden. Again, I won't go into the topic of whether FL should work as it is, or whether it should be kept or removed. I heard people who say they like it, so keep it. Simple enough. However, the mod shouldn't give the same score modifier as DT or Hidden. I think it should give less of a modifier than HR.
The main problem with changing a score modifier is: what to do with all the scores that are already recorded on all of the osu maps? If you simply invalidated all the scores gained with "old FL modifier" a lot of people might be angry.
So, I'm like to hear feedback, preferably from 4 groups: new players (under-5star), average players (clear 5star "hard"s), longtime players (clear 5star "insane"s on first try), and if possible a word on this from somebody from osu's team.
When responding to this thread, please state your player level, and answer the following:
1. Do you agree that Flashlight score modifier should be lower than DT and Hidden instead of the same?
2. Do you agree that it should be a lower modifier than HR?
3. How often do you use FL? Do you like playing with it, or do you just add it to get extra score?
4. How often do you use FL on your first run of a map? Can you FC a map with FL on the first time you see it?
5. Do you oppose losing scores you have on maps that you cleared with FL?
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Since I'm also an osu player, I will state my opinion on this as well;
SPOILER
I'm not very high level, but I can clear the easier Insane maps.
1+2. Well you already heard my opinion on this.
3. I tried using it a few times on various maps, and found it to be mere annoyance on maps with jumps. I never cleared a 5star map with it.
4. Tried using it again and again on lower level maps, since I like to play all the levels of a map one time, but it seemed that regardless of map difficulty FL either has no effect on the difficulty or makes jumps (especially towards the end of a map) extremely difficult (read: impossible without memorization). Whether I can FC a map with FL depends on the map's design (mostly towards the end of it).
5. I don't mind having all of the scores on my account cleared :p I'll just keep playing and get new scores over time. Play for fun not for rank
Never had a problem FCing maps of songs I never heard before on first try with HR+DT+Hidden as long as the mouse movement and reaction time are within my skill level and the map is correctly synced. FL is the only mod that basically shouts "memorize this map or randomly do poorly on it".
1+2. Well you already heard my opinion on this.
3. I tried using it a few times on various maps, and found it to be mere annoyance on maps with jumps. I never cleared a 5star map with it.
4. Tried using it again and again on lower level maps, since I like to play all the levels of a map one time, but it seemed that regardless of map difficulty FL either has no effect on the difficulty or makes jumps (especially towards the end of a map) extremely difficult (read: impossible without memorization). Whether I can FC a map with FL depends on the map's design (mostly towards the end of it).
5. I don't mind having all of the scores on my account cleared :p I'll just keep playing and get new scores over time. Play for fun not for rank
Never had a problem FCing maps of songs I never heard before on first try with HR+DT+Hidden as long as the mouse movement and reaction time are within my skill level and the map is correctly synced. FL is the only mod that basically shouts "memorize this map or randomly do poorly on it".
So, guys, your opinions? I'm not expecting to actually see a change in osu's design, unless peppy ends up agreeing with this op and going for it, but I'd like to hear what different players think of the matter to know the general consensus on this.
* Note to moderators: please don't move this to the "Feature Requests" subforum just because the topic says "(Suggestion)". This is not a feature request, I want to poll players' opinions about an issue related to gameplay and ranking. This is the correct forum for this.
I'll reply it when I get what you asked.