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Under that it would mean Robbie Rotten or Troy Bolten would require the CV thing since they are fictional which doesn't make any sense. This should only apply to animated stuff with voice actors.Noffy wrote:
suggestion:Whenever a fictional character or characters are credited as the singer of a song, the artist field is to be formatted in a Character (CV: Voice Actor) format, where "Character" would be the character name and "Voice Actor" the name of the actual person behind them.
I'm not entirely sure I understand the issue with this, as that would still be properly giving credit where it is due when the singing is credited to just the character.Sinnoh wrote:
Under that it would mean Robbie Rotten or Troy Bolten would require the CV thing since they are fictional which doesn't make any sense. This should only apply to animated stuff with voice actors.Noffy wrote:
suggestion:
Whenever a fictional character or characters are credited as the singer of a song, the artist field is to be formatted in a Character (CV: Voice Actor) format, where "Character" would be the character name and "Voice Actor" the name of the actual person behind them.
"But why not just do it for anything with voice actors?"
High School Musical 1 didn't actually have the actors sing their own songs, they were voiced over so it would technically require CV if we did it based solely on voice acting. (why do i know this useless trivia)
otherwise good
Romanise artist names in whichever order they are printed in the unicode fields. The sole exception to this are artists widely known and using a differing English alias.This rule has been getting attention since it's essentially asking to often ignore official preferred romanization of artist's names. Especially for someone with little knowledge on japanese, knowing which order to put things in can be really annoying and confusing. In addition, most artists have a preferred romanization on their website which would make dealing with these artists a lot easier for most people. Now, one of the issues this had in the past is that extremely obscure things have been used as "official sources" which made things especially hard.
Romanise artist names according to preferred romanization found on official sources. If none is provided, romanise artist names in whichever order they are printed in the unicode fieldsIn addition we can add a Glossary term for Official Sources: Official Websites, CD Scans, Album listings with labels, or official uploads to websites like bandcamp, youtube, or soundcloud. Third party websites for sales of songs would not be used as references, such as Spotify, iTunes, or Amazon.
actually like... yeah. It's worked well with RD-Sounds in the last few months, this would help deal with the mess that is circles. Although you have the potential issue of stuff like https://osu.ppy.sh/s/790310 where you have a composer that's well known plus a circle plus a vocalistNao Tomori wrote:
why not just make it circle feat. singer each time the vocalist isnt in the circle lmao that way both get credit
When a song is released by a circle, the circle name is preferred for the artist field. If a composer is independently well known outside of the circle, they can be used as artist. In the case of songs with vocalists, the following formats can be used: [Circle] feat. [Vocalist] or [Composer] feat. [Vocalist].
Noffy wrote:
Delete Circles
For songs belonging to doujin circles, the circle name must be used over the vocalist or composer, unless these contributors are not part of the circle. In these cases the priority falls on vocalist followed by composer for instrumental songs.
Instead of making things simpler, this has made the artist field more complex due to the research required to determine whether those who made a song are actually proper members of the circle or just guests for that one release.
there's 1 or 2 things we could do
1.) delete circle rule entirely (leaving it up choice based off what is more sensible to the specific song or consistent with previous maps.. like it was before)
2.) make any release under a circle be credited to a circle regardless of whether the song's creators are proper members of the circle.
Noffy wrote:
This is weirdIf a song or artist are referred to in multiple ways on official sources provided by the artist, the mapper is free to choose any of the romanisations. The only exception to this is if the song already has a mapset in the Ranked Section, in which case the corresponding guideline applies to it.
I don't think this was supposed to say romanisations, just apply to metadata in general, oops...
honestly, is this really needed? it's not like we say you must use a specific kind of source to reference for metadata to begin with.
Noffy wrote:
There's a loophole hereAny form of CV: such as CV,, Cv, Cv. and the likes are to be written as CV: only. If only the character is credited in any sources, the CV: marker has to be added to satisfy traceability to existing people. If such a marker is added to an artist, they must be added following the fictional character the character voice actor represents.
This accidentally lead to a loophole that Character (Voice Actor) does not require CV: to be added.
Should probably fix that to just be Character (CV: Voice Actor) in all cases.
suggestion:
Whenever a fictional character or characters are credited as the singer of a song, the artist field is to be formatted in a Character (CV: Voice Actor) format, where "Character" would be the character name and "Voice Actor" the name of the actual person behind them.
Noffy wrote:
Source is a headache
You must use the Source field if the song comes from, is remixed from or specifically fan-made for a video game, movie, or series. Website names are not an acceptable Artist nor Source.When the song has appeared in multiple medias, even after its initial release, it may use the source that the mapset is themed around (Backgrounds, Storyboards, Videos, etc.) as long as the song itself appeared in it.If a series applicable to be used as a source is clustered into multiple sub-series, the most precise label should be prioritised.
we somehow ended up splitting source into 1 rule and 2 guidelines that half do the same thing as the old rule and half make it more of a headache, because sometimes it's really hard to determine if a song came from the source or if it was put in there later (making the source only usable if the map is explicitly "themed" around it)
suggestion
delete these and revert to the old rule, thanks
Noffy wrote:
This needs revision
Use the metadata of a song as is without adding any additional markers, such as Full Version and the likes. If your track is a mashup or something among those lines, use whatever the artist supplies while paying respect to proper English syntax rules.
It directly contradicts the TV Size rule demanding you add TV Size
It also directly contradictsIf the creator of the mapset has done major edits to the .mp3, they are free to name it appropriately to signal that this song is a special version. In this case the original songs must still be clearly indicated in order for players to be able to search for the original songs.
which says you CAN add stuff to it, as long as you edit it enough.
suggestion to fix this
Change the rule "Use the metadata of a song as is..." toUse the metadata of a song as is without modification, unless the modification is specified or allowed by other rules in the Ranking Criteria
Noffy wrote:
Robots
celerih has pointed out thatThe artists of a song must be traceable to existing people. As such, programs like Vocaloids or fictional characters cannot be used as the sole artist of any given song.
does not account for songs that may be entirely composed by robots/ai. I think it would be sensible to allow crediting of the robots/ai in such cases, but I personally can not figure out a good wording to account for that.
Any ideas?
Noffy wrote:
Delete thisSpecial characters that have both a full-width and half-width equivalent must retain their original printing forms if they are used in the unicode artist fields, so that searching while copying and pasting the original song title is always possible. This does not apply to additional information that is printed in half-width to begin with because searching for these will be ambiguous no matter what.
a.) the rule that the metadata shouldn't be modified unless it is done to follow the rules would already cover this
b.) the rules in metadata about standardizing cv tags, tv size, vs, etc, etc, etc, already make copy paste searching more difficult. So it doesn't really help in that aspect.
"Regarding half-width & full-width usages of characters in the Unicode & source fields:
(Brought up to me by S o h)
Special characters should retain their original full-width/half-width characters in the Unicode fields. An exception to this is when it used for additional complimentary info like the CV section or mix descriptors. Improper usages can result in errors while searching. https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/10623085
Example using "カラフル。(Extended edit)"
The period cannot be substituted for its counterpart. "カラフル.(Extended edit)" is not acceptable.
The parenthesis may be either half or full-width. "カラフル。(Extended edit)" is acceptable.
Original width usages should still be prioritized in the unicode field when possible. "
That's a nice one, Idol Units/Broadcast Units are a common thing in the voice acting scene nowadays. I'd go for "Unit Name - Song Name" and adding CVs and characters' names in the tags.Vulkin wrote:
What about the casts that have an internal band name? Like for "Zettai Tokken Shuchou Shimasu!" there are just 5 singers ( Airi Totoki, Akane Hino, Aiko Takamori, Syoko Hoshi, and Yuko Hori , omitting the CV's), and thus could use Various Artists, But the group of these singers is "Zekkenzu!", Under that case, should one put just "Zekkenzu!" at Artists? All the singers with their CV's? or Various Artists?
Official Sources must be used as references for metadata unless none are available, in which case use what is most common and recognizable.#subjective