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[Proposal] Silenced slider slide/tick hitsounds

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pishifat
osu! Paragon
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pishifat
hey so the osu standard rc currently has this rule:

  • You must not silence both slider ticks and slider slides together. Low volume or blending sound samples are similarly discouraged when inaudible.


we wanna make it a guideline because there are situations where having feedback from both sliderslide and slidertick sounds wrong

example: https://osu.ppy.sh/b/148404 the slider at 00:06:600 -

uhhh that's it. thoughts?
Nao Tomori
osu! Alumni
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Nao Tomori
Yes
Lasse
osu! Alumni
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Lasse

Naotoshi wrote:

Yes
Kuron-kun
Kuron-kun
Yep
Sotarks
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Joined May 2014
Sotarks
I'm ok with that, good idea.
Realazy
Elite Mapper
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Realazy
Yes
ZekeyHache
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Joined October 2009
ZekeyHache
get rid of it before it lays eggs
ghm12
osu! Alumni
652 posts
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ghm12
I actually wonder why this is not a thing yet.
Definitely yes.
Xinnoh
Elite Mapper
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Xinnoh
yehaj
Mir
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Mir
separate the blending stuff or something but otherwise yeah, agree this should be a guideline
pkhg
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pkhg
just a normal user passing by
_handholding
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_handholding
I don't want to see this change
Kibbleru
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Kibbleru
YES PLEASE
Chanyah
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Chanyah
yes
Kensuke
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Kensuke

Hailie wrote:

yes
squirrelpascals
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squirrelpascals
BIG agree
mancuso_JM_
osu! Alumni
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mancuso_JM_
It's ok to have them as a guideline.

There are circumstances that silenced sliderticks and sliderslide are the best option.

So yeah, I agree with it. But make sure to don't make a full difficulty with both things silenced.
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Garden
osu! Alumni
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Garden
can agree that more flexibility should be given
Nitrous
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Nitrous
Yes. It always make beatmaps sound weird.
UndeadCapulet
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UndeadCapulet
please yes yes please
pishifat
osu! Paragon
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pishifat
ok as expected nobody's opposed

this is the wording for the future guideline:
  • You should not silence both slider ticks and slider slides together. Silencing both for small sections or single objects can be appropriate, but doing so for a whole map will result in a disqualification.


so it basically includes the "exhaustive reasoning" allowed for breaking the guideline in the actual wording. moving to guidelines isnt gonna be a free pass to ignore it under all circumstances sorry :(
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Nitrous
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Nitrous

pishifat wrote:

ok as expected nobody's opposed

this is the wording for the future guideline:
  • You should not silence both slider ticks and slider slides together. Silencing both for small sections or single objects can be appropriate, but doing so for a whole map will result in a disqualification.
so it basically includes the "exhaustive reasoning" allowed for breaking the guideline in the actual wording. moving to guidelines isnt gonna be a free pass to ignore it under all circumstances sorry :(
I don't see the reason as to why you can't silence the whole map. There are ranked sets that mute the slider slide and/or tick hitsounds of the entire map and it hasn't caused any problems and in my opinion, has made it audibly better.
Fycho
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Fycho
Yes
Saltssaumure
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Saltssaumure
Yes
Caput Mortuum
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Caput Mortuum
Yes
Kensuke
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Kensuke

Nitrous wrote:

I don't see the reason as to why you can't silence the whole map. There are ranked sets that mute the slider slide and/or tick hitsounds of the entire map and it hasn't caused any problems and in my opinion, has made it audibly better.
I agree with Nitrous, some songs like https://osu.ppy.sh/s/549354 might be better to silence the slider slide and slider tick together for the whole map.
pishifat
osu! Paragon
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pishifat

- Frontier - wrote:

I agree with Nitrous, some songs like https://osu.ppy.sh/s/549354 might be better to silence the slider slide and slider tick together for the whole map.


i mean uhh that map doesn't even have sliders long enough to support sliderticks so being muted isn't relevant lol. if it had sliders longer than 1/1 they'd deserve unmuted ticks since there's sounds each beat

better to think of "slide and tick muted through the whole map" in terms of a map that has sliders with ticks throughout it, like anything with tick rate 2. if there's a bunch of ticks passing over sounds and they're all muted + sliderslide isn't present, you're doing something wrong
pishifat
osu! Paragon
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pishifat
moved, included in https://osu.ppy.sh/community/forums/topics/717741
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