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Rivals_7 wrote:

haha no hhhhhh

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[MX]

the lack of PR on these LN make me t r i g g e r
00:08:783 (8783|1,8966|0,9149|1,9332|0,9515|1) - zzz zzzzz i move 00:08:783 (8783|1) to col 4

prot can you stop suggesting long speedup becuse they are b a d
00:11:710 (11710|3) - you cant actually see the notes coming (unless you playing in a low low scrool speed). here's what i suggest (delete all the Svs in here first, then add my suggestion)
  1. 00:11:710 - 0,25
  2. 00:12:167 - 0,75
  3. 00:12:259 - 1,25
  4. 00:12:350 - 1,75
^all applied

00:15:734 (15734|0,15917|0) - i would concur that you doing this PR related jacks wrong. instead of chord to guitar, you should've doing guitar to chord jacking http://puu.sh/yTKeK/2d59349946.png hmmm that's right :thonkeng:
you get the ideas

00:24:515 (24515|1) - i would move this to 4 so hands could get a little more leeway (and probably recovery time after jt) jascjopqj fixed

00:35:856 (35856|3,36039|3,36222|2,36405|2) - 00:37:686 (37686|1,37869|1) - 00:38:966 (38966|1,39149|1,39332|0,39515|0) - these jacks looks sooo randomly placed. there is almost nothing in particular that accompany for the jacks so at least you should do it repetetively. for example http://puu.sh/yTL2i/afebba6fef.jpg http://puu.sh/yTL4u/c0185f22de.jpg it could follow some short guitar that exist for a while ohohohoho OK
applies to whole diff

01:05:674 (65674|2,65674|1) - i would suspect this are supposed to be a sole note

01:29:454 - might add an LN to cover hold up vocal well i map LN for a audible vocal,and in this for hold up vocal, iam not sure about dat =w=

[NM]

00:44:637 (44637|2,45003|2,45369|2) - pls minimalize all the 1/1 3stacks in this diff oh yeah


this is clearly where the song reaches its climax climax (you get it) but amount of gap in this is like EZ -> NM ------> HD -> MX. i would suggesting to nerf HD triples into just a double, and Buffing NM with adding more single note in Synths (every 1/2). HD might be a little bit repetitive with its intro part will looks almost the same in structural but that way, spread would be more appropriate ok i add note every 1/2 for buff NM

01:23:326 (83326|2,83417|3) - i would not place this in the same hand tbh. can refer to all similar "grace percussion" like this which you placed in different hands - 00:11:619 (11619|3,11710|1) - 00:17:472 (17472|0,17564|3) - aajsbdukjdbvup fixed

not actually a veto but i would see this being more improved before tofu come to rebubbled (HD and EZ mostly)
thanks, will wait umo update
[ Blaze ]

Rivals_7 wrote:

haha no
wkwkwk xD
Umo-
no reply=fixed

Rivals_7 wrote:

haha no

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[HD]

00:04:393 (4393|1,4759|1,5125|1,5491|1,5856|1,6222|1,6588|1,6954|1) - i suppose i can get away with usual stacking issues but this is just l u l

the same exact huge stacks also occured in the same exact column - 00:09:515 (9515|1,9881|1,10247|1,10613|1,10978|1,11344|1,11619|1) -
00:12:442 (12442|1,12808|1,13174|1,13539|1,13905|1,14271|1,14637|1,15003|1,15369|1,15734|1,16100|1,16466|1) - even b i g g u r

not that is unrankable per se but its just makes the file played in somehow, bland way, if i may say. and probably strain for people who are advancing from NM. i suppose you get the ideas since you do it better in the latter part.

00:20:674 (20674|2,20856|1,20856|3,21039|0,21222|1,21222|3,21405|2) - i particularly dislike this kind of pattern but okay

00:23:966 (23966|3) - gap between this and NM are particularly huge spikes so its probably better to be a single note
moreover i would like to see it in less trill http://puu.sh/yTLZz/4a9c0a894d.jpg sinceleft to right trill arent that friendly to have in HD overall

01:00:186 (60186|1,60369|0) - same comment about gap fixed but is it okay if I leave a double on 01:00:186 (60186|2,60186|1) - ? It seems a bit weird without it imo

01:01:466 (61466|0,61649|0) - imo this should be distinguished as a jack and make it in a different column. you hear the vocal act different than the rest so it'll be make sense if the jack were also reflecting that what

01:19:759 (79759|1,79942|0,80125|1,80308|0,80491|1,80674|0,80856|1,81039|0,81222|1) - 01:19:393 (79393|1,79759|1,80125|1,80491|1,80856|1,81222|1,81588|1,81954|1,82320|1,82686|1,83052|1,83417|1,83692|1,83966|1,84149|1) - aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
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Topic Starter
Yukari_Sama
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Rivals_7
[MX]

01:05:674 (65674|1,65674|2) - not changed... somehow

[HD]

01:01:466 (61466|0,61649|0) - well i mean i was talking if you could not jackng this because it isnt the same structure as any other vocal that you jacked

[NM]

00:38:692 (38692|2) - so i found this rather.... confusing. mainly because they are originally doesnt have any snare drum. so its like an imaginary snare drum out of nowhere. its different from - 01:23:326 (83326|1,83417|3) - and alike. would just move it to - 00:38:600 - for vocal cuz they sound more prominent

EZ is fine now

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you actually missing ”い” between て and る on there
FadillSan

Rivals_7 wrote:

EZ is fine now

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you actually missing ”い” between て and る on there
Oops
SB Update
Download this, and move to Lyrics-japan folder, replace it.
Umo-
okay, fixed that jacking part
m
osu file format v14

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Topic Starter
Yukari_Sama

Rivals_7 wrote:

[MX]

01:05:674 (65674|1,65674|2) - not changed... somehow woops forget this reply,changed 1 note col 1

[NM]

00:38:692 (38692|2) - so i found this rather.... confusing. mainly because they are originally doesnt have any snare drum. so its like an imaginary snare drum out of nowhere. its different from - 01:23:326 (83326|1,83417|3) - and alike. would just move it to - 00:38:600 - for vocal cuz they sound more prominent yeah you right, i feel confusing while i play in this part :3
all fixed
bngsd umo not use code again -____-
Umo-

atian540 wrote:

bngsd umo not use code again -____-
im going to kms
Rivals_7
NM MX

01:17:564 - actually idk what was the LN represent for. feels like it was just there for a denser pattern which is rather pointless

and yeah tofu should be able to rebub now (havent check the fixed SB cuz i didnt re-dl (yet) but lets assume its fixed)
Shima Rin
Rebubbled with permission from Rivals_7. Go Go Go! ;)
Topic Starter
Yukari_Sama
:D
Rivals_7

Rivals_7 wrote:

NM MX

01:17:564 - actually idk what was the LN represent for. feels like it was just there for a denser pattern which is rather pointless

do you read this? if does, have any point of against it?
Topic Starter
Yukari_Sama
hehe i don't have time to online cuz i have work now done
yeah that for long guitar sound and so as not to be too monotonous hmm
Topic Starter
Yukari_Sama
when ?? qwq
Rivals_7
college is fun

there's been something happened in the mania qualify section last week when theres a couple of mapset has been disqualified due to hitsound is "too blended" with the song. to the point where you cant even heard the difference between 100% fx and 100% music.
so the issues right now is your hit @30% should be changed (this is barely audible). at least to 60% or any volume you think its hearable on 100% music 100% fx


PM when you done in the morning or smth
Topic Starter
Yukari_Sama

Rivals_7 wrote:

college is fun work is fun

there's been something happened in the mania qualify section last week when theres a couple of mapset has been disqualified due to hitsound is "too blended" with the song. to the point where you cant even heard the difference between 100% fx and 100% music.
so the issues right now is your hit @30% should be changed (this is barely audible). at least to 60% or any volume you think its hearable on 100% music 100% fx


PM when you done in the morning or smth
ok all changed to 60%
Rivals_7
to rank or not to rank
error_exe777
grats dude
Lirai
hit.wav 5ms delay
[ Blaze ]
at last >:D
Angki
cieee rank! gratz o/
Topic Starter
Yukari_Sama

DE-CADE wrote:

hit.wav 5ms delay
Well iam steal dat hitsound from one ranked beatmap and i forget what a map

[ Blaze ] wrote:

at last >:D

[ Blaze ] wrote:

at last >:D

error_exe777 wrote:

grats dude
Thanks~ :)
Arzenvald
ringtone size xd
btw grats on nominated
Amiichii
Ngeri lah xD

btw, Gratz 'w'
AchsanLovers
ringtone size (2)
gg congrats mang :>
Asherz007
So, yeah, that hitsound is a problem.



(tl;dr delay this long is unrankable, pls fix)

The maximum delay permitted for hitsounds is 5ms, as stated in the General Ranking Criteria; rules may have been different in the past, so your argument about using it from another ranked map doesn't really hold here. In any case, the delay here is around 5.5ms, so that needs to be removed.

Just as a side note, why exactly is the hitnormal so quiet? Even at 00:24:698 (24698|2), it lacks the volume to even be heard over the quieter guitar strums. I'd recommend increasing the volume of the sample here or finding a louder one (because -20dB max for a sample is a little silly imo)

Use an audio-editing program such as Audacity to remove the silence at the start of that .wav file.

Call me back when you've sorted everything out then.
FadillSan
Ya allah :'v
Himari Kino

FadillSan wrote:

Ya allah :'v
Yang tabah gan
Topic Starter
Yukari_Sama
ya allah apa salah hambamu ini,,
fixed, DQ lagi gw gampar
Asherz007
back

log for some reason
2018-02-14 04:28 atian540: hi ash
2018-02-14 04:29 atian540: i already fix and you can check it again
2018-02-14 04:30 Asherz007: hm
2018-02-14 04:30 Asherz007: osu doesn't like the beatmap anymore :thinking:
2018-02-14 04:31 atian540: :/
2018-02-14 04:31 Asherz007: o...kay...
2018-02-14 04:32 atian540: iif it's not loud, I'll fix it again
2018-02-14 04:32 Asherz007: I mean I actually can't dl the map again lol
2018-02-14 04:32 atian540: seh
2018-02-14 04:33 atian540: i can
2018-02-14 04:34 Asherz007: storyboard wants to break it lul
2018-02-14 04:34 atian540: -,-
2018-02-14 04:34 atian540: i can send u via push
2018-02-14 04:34 Asherz007: might be a good idea
2018-02-14 04:34 Asherz007: see what happens
2018-02-14 04:36 atian540: here sw https://puu.sh/znlBv/bdc0656076.osz
2018-02-14 04:37 Asherz007: oh it likes that
2018-02-14 04:37 Asherz007: hm
2018-02-14 04:38 atian540: how how
2018-02-14 04:39 Asherz007: dunno
2018-02-14 04:39 Asherz007: man, never liked that hitnormal lol
2018-02-14 04:40 atian540: um
2018-02-14 04:41 atian540: what should I fix ?
2018-02-14 04:44 Asherz007: hm
2018-02-14 04:45 atian540: change hitnormal ?
2018-02-14 04:45 atian540: or reduce volume hitnormal ?
2018-02-14 04:46 Asherz007: I'd change it tbh
2018-02-14 04:46 atian540: :thonkeng:
2018-02-14 04:47 Asherz007: that's just me though cus I hate that hitnormal lol
2018-02-14 04:49 atian540: qwq
2018-02-14 04:49 atian540: so
2018-02-14 04:49 atian540: i
2018-02-14 04:49 atian540: change
2018-02-14 04:49 atian540: it
2018-02-14 04:49 atian540: or
2018-02-14 04:49 Asherz007: I mean up to you I guess
2018-02-14 04:49 atian540: no ?
2018-02-14 04:49 Asherz007: if you're happy with it then whatever
2018-02-14 04:49 atian540: maybe no
2018-02-14 04:50 atian540: um w8
2018-02-14 04:50 atian540: i reduce little bit hitnormal volume
2018-02-14 04:52 atian540: k done
2018-02-14 04:53 Asherz007: send the hitsound over
2018-02-14 04:53 atian540: https://puu.sh/znm9N/3255341204.wav
2018-02-14 04:55 Asherz007: happy with it?
2018-02-14 04:56 atian540: iam "very" happy
2018-02-14 04:56 Asherz007: what does that mean
2018-02-14 04:56 atian540: tehe~
2018-02-14 04:56 atian540: its okay]
2018-02-14 04:56 Asherz007: eh, whatever
2018-02-14 04:56 Asherz007: anything else you want to change or whatever
2018-02-14 04:57 atian540: nope
2018-02-14 04:57 Asherz007: k
RoroTheDeer

Asherz007 wrote:

back

log for some reason
2018-02-14 04:28 atian540: hi ash
2018-02-14 04:29 atian540: i already fix and you can check it again
2018-02-14 04:30 Asherz007: hm
2018-02-14 04:30 Asherz007: osu doesn't like the beatmap anymore :thinking:
2018-02-14 04:31 atian540: :/
2018-02-14 04:31 Asherz007: o...kay...
2018-02-14 04:32 atian540: iif it's not loud, I'll fix it again
2018-02-14 04:32 Asherz007: I mean I actually can't dl the map again lol
2018-02-14 04:32 atian540: seh
2018-02-14 04:33 atian540: i can
2018-02-14 04:34 Asherz007: storyboard wants to break it lul
2018-02-14 04:34 atian540: -,-
2018-02-14 04:34 atian540: i can send u via push
2018-02-14 04:34 Asherz007: might be a good idea
2018-02-14 04:34 Asherz007: see what happens
2018-02-14 04:36 atian540: here sw https://puu.sh/znlBv/bdc0656076.osz
2018-02-14 04:37 Asherz007: oh it likes that
2018-02-14 04:37 Asherz007: hm
2018-02-14 04:38 atian540: how how
2018-02-14 04:39 Asherz007: dunno
2018-02-14 04:39 Asherz007: man, never liked that hitnormal lol
2018-02-14 04:40 atian540: um
2018-02-14 04:41 atian540: what should I fix ?
2018-02-14 04:44 Asherz007: hm
2018-02-14 04:45 atian540: change hitnormal ?
2018-02-14 04:45 atian540: or reduce volume hitnormal ?
2018-02-14 04:46 Asherz007: I'd change it tbh
2018-02-14 04:46 atian540: :thonkeng:
2018-02-14 04:47 Asherz007: that's just me though cus I hate that hitnormal lol
2018-02-14 04:49 atian540: qwq
2018-02-14 04:49 atian540: so
2018-02-14 04:49 atian540: i
2018-02-14 04:49 atian540: change
2018-02-14 04:49 atian540: it
2018-02-14 04:49 atian540: or
2018-02-14 04:49 Asherz007: I mean up to you I guess
2018-02-14 04:49 atian540: no ?
2018-02-14 04:49 Asherz007: if you're happy with it then whatever
2018-02-14 04:49 atian540: maybe no
2018-02-14 04:50 atian540: um w8
2018-02-14 04:50 atian540: i reduce little bit hitnormal volume
2018-02-14 04:52 atian540: k done
2018-02-14 04:53 Asherz007: send the hitsound over
2018-02-14 04:53 atian540: https://puu.sh/znm9N/3255341204.wav
2018-02-14 04:55 Asherz007: happy with it?
2018-02-14 04:56 atian540: iam "very" happy
2018-02-14 04:56 Asherz007: what does that mean
2018-02-14 04:56 atian540: tehe~
2018-02-14 04:56 atian540: its okay]
2018-02-14 04:56 Asherz007: eh, whatever
2018-02-14 04:56 Asherz007: anything else you want to change or whatever
2018-02-14 04:57 atian540: nope
2018-02-14 04:57 Asherz007: k
Fixed at 5am oof

Grats on qualify atain!
Topic Starter
Yukari_Sama

Insp1r3 wrote:

Fixed at 5am oof

Grats on qualify atain!
thanks~
atain ? :thonkeng:
FadillSan

atian540 wrote:

thanks~
atain ? :thonkeng:
atian ×××
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Arzenvald
hey storyboard thingy
these are guidelines in Ranking criteria that i think it needs to be addressed.

Ranking Criteria wrote:

Avoid any duplicate image files. Having two instances of the exact same image adds unnecessary file size.
you don't have to duplicate blur.jpg & blurr.jpg , as they looks the same and, there's no noticable difference in the game

Ranking Criteria wrote:

Avoid unnecessary transparency around storyboard images. For the sake of performance, images should be cropped as much as possible for their desired effects.
each lyrics images can use more cropping around the visible pixels, since you don't use interpolating animation for these sprites.
you can use image editor to fix this.
for other sprites such light crack etc, i suppose the transparent pixels are for pixel anti aliasing?

[Storyboard mod]
lyrics\a.png could appears earlier at 12442 / 00:12:442 - , and so the other intro / credit titles, you could move them earlier. the empty start is kinda odd

there's a lot of possible SB load optimization during 47564 / 00:47:564 - as well
BG Monster :
> add fade keyframe at 47564
> make fade keyframe at 48295 to 0,
> then remove the keyframe at 48387 & 48753

SB\light.png :
you should fade out and stop the animation at 48295

SB\crack.png :
the animation should be stop at 48660, don't overlap it with the crackk.png since that causing the x7 SB load

blur > blurr transition at 48661 is barely noticable at all but it caused a high sb load. another reason why you should remove one of them, this will definitely reduce the sb load

this would help to reduce the amount of appearing sprites at the same time


at the same time,

[MX]
00:12:442 (12442|1,12625|1,12808|0) - 00:12:991 (12991|1,13174|3,13356|2) - 00:13:539 (13539|1,13722|2,13905|1) - 00:14:088 (14088|3,14271|2,14454|3) - i strongly disagree with the current pattern structure, its blatantly disregarding the visualizing of the guitar rhythm, i suggest to make anchor out of these.
it feels like playing a different kind of map but using this song, try this : https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/10253650 .
apply these suggestion from 00:12:442 - to 00:23:052 -

HD can use similar suggestion. but its up to you
Umo-
if this is going to get disqualified due to storyboard I'd like to make 1 small change in my diff if possible
error_exe777
seems like this will go down because of storyboard, you might wanna report that to the forum i guess

regardless, i can't really agree with arzenvald with the section at 00:12:442 - . structurally its fine, using the jacks at 00:15:369 - where the guitar becomes most accentuated by the repeating pitches. and having them anchor would lead to some pretty heft hand balance issues, specifically at 00:15:917 - , and really limit the play-field when it comes to variation, especially when the drums at 00:17:381 - and 00:17:930 - are being emphasised.

i do have some other concerns though

[MX]

00:23:600 - there is an extra guitar sound behind this jumptrill here and i think you tried to show that with the SVs but they are very weak for the sound you are trying to convey. you could either show it within the chart, by doing something like this: https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/10262049 which makes it differentiate from the other instances of jumptrill that don't have the guitar, or by making the SVs stronger, and making the stutters more prominent (something like 1.75x and 0.25x).

00:46:832 (46832|2,46832|3,47015|2,47015|3) - no real reason to have these both in [34] as it causes unnecessary hand balance towards the right and since one is for a kick and the other for a snare, you are probably best off moving some over. you even have 00:47:381 (47381|2,47381|3) - in [34] which is for a hat so all three should be different as per the instrument behind them

00:48:295 - ok so these SVs are very slow on the spectrum. i see your intentions but it averages to 0.75x, which ok isnt that slow but you can still see the slowdown which imo get in the way of the effect you are trying to convey. if you want them averaged (which i recommend), change the 2.5x to 4.5x, or move the 0.5x svs to the blue tick afterwards.

00:54:698 (54698|0,54698|1) - why double? no kick or snare

01:00:643 (60643|3,60734|3) - okay i think i mentioned this a while ago but i dont like the idea of minijacks as they just cause unnecessary strain. i mean the BPM isnt too high but it still causes that kinda effect that extra emphasis on col 4 in this instance that isnt desirable. you are probably better off deleting 01:00:643 (60643|3) - to make way for the cymbal, and aid with flow. i wont mention all instances so please go through and do that yourself cause im lazy :^))

01:10:247 - 01:10:978 - these should be both quads as there is the extra cymbal sound. somebody said quads were a bit inconsistent, but you skipped a couple for playability i guess so i can let that slide

01:35:308 (95308|2,95308|3,95399|1,95399|0,95491|3,95491|2,95582|0,95582|1,95674|3,95674|2,95765|1,95765|0) - this jumptrill has some very quiet drum rolls behind at and tbh for consistency with other instances, should be a normal stream. though, since the song is at a peak of intensity you could do something like: https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/10262260 to emphasise it more than the other streams beforehand.

01:35:856 (95856|3) - technically a ghost, but it would feel odd without it so you could do something like: https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/10262271 to show that they are not all part of the grace note you are charting. apply similarly if you applied the point with the jumptrill above

[HD]

01:12:076 (72076|1,72167|3,72259|1,72350|3,72442|1) - more of a nitpick but this trill could be avoided, as atm its pretty left hand heavy i guess

[NM]

nothing i can really complain about except 00:17:472 (17472|0,17564|3) - which are questionable in a normal diff, but i dont see any other alternative that has the same effect so i wont try to fight it

[EZ]

01:09:881 (69881|0,69881|3,70613|0,70613|3,71344|0,71344|3) - having three of these in [14] is really not necessary, and isnt really a try at any variation tbh

thats all really. some might of been pretty subjective but i tried to justify where i could.

as for the storyboard, i think the concerns layed out are pretty valid, so it would be smart of Arzenvald to request a dq i guess.
Arzenvald
Remember this song only has 160 bpm and it will fit the MX (INSANE) difficulty weighness, and in fact the current pattern plays not correctly according to what the music provide, in my view as player and as a charter. Remember that playability doesn't always needs comfortable pattern but you can always achieve a better playabilty experience, the experience to feel the notes synchronized to the music accordingly.
error_exe777
Well, I wasn’t really saying that it would be bad to play per se, just limiting chartwise, and possibly a hinder to balance and strain I guess. I can’t really argue against it too far though. And tbh, it’s not like the pattern veers too far from what the song is trying to convey. Yeah I agree it’s not perfect but it’s not like horrifically bad at the same time.

I don’t have a problem either way tho, up to atian now
Protastic101
What arzen said about optimizing the storyboard. Also, don't forget to address both Arzen and error's concerns!
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