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self pop cuz nao wanted me to add his shitty old name in the tags
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Was going to ask if nao tomori should be added but he wasn't added in other sets so I didn't mention it

Doormat can just qual since tags aren't unrankable
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waiting on kin for taiko approval
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rebub on request via discord
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recheck:

fix SV in notepad (Oni & Muzukashii)

[Muzukashii]

  1. 00:38:457 (33,34,35,36,37,38,39,40,41) - you may change this pattern into something like this if you want to get more emphasis on 00:39:207 - . I it's following the piano better in general
  2. 00:46:599 (65,66,67) - The triplet here kinda break the focus you made on this part. Better just remove the triplet to map those notes 00:46:707 - 00:47:028 - . as k if you want a good emphasis on 00:47:242 (68) -
  3. 01:05:885 - no need to skip this note. Better add a k. Also 01:05:028 (45) - this note as k to get better emphasis on the D.
  4. 02:04:171 - ^ ; same for 02:03:314 (106) -
  5. 01:20:885 (108,109,110) - triplet triplet is too much with the current mapping style used on this map. better just use d d on this.
  6. 01:24:528 (122,123,124,125,126) - considering the intensity of the song. I'd rather have a ddd d or ddd k instead of 5 notes stream. Even tho there's a drum roll. there's also the possibility to change it into slider but meh
  7. in order to not make the change of focus too sudden I'd rather play this note 01:29:885 - instead of playing this one 01:30:314 (144) - (move 01:30:314 (144) - here 01:29:885 - )
  8. 01:34:171 - the same thing happen here.
  9. 01:24:957 - 02:11:242 - almost a min without 3/2 or 2/1 break. To prevent a Nardo'd ; I'd suggest you to put at least one 2/1 or 3/2.
    - here 01:45:528 - a 3/2 should be enough
    - here 01:35:671 - a 2/1 if you really want to be sure with rest time
  10. 02:19:385 (169,170,171,172) - change it into a k k D or k k d to make it flow really good with the ddddd.
  11. 02:55:171 (34) - better remove this note to keep a good gimmick on the vocal
  12. 02:56:457 (40) - this note will surely get way more emphasis as k
  13. 03:18:099 (16,19) - according to 01:05:242 (46,48) - 02:03:528 (107,109) - finishers are missing


Oni is good enough
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Kin wrote:

recheck:

fix SV in notepad (Oni & Muzukashii)

[Muzukashii]

  1. 00:38:457 (33,34,35,36,37,38,39,40,41) - you may change this pattern into something like this if you want to get more emphasis on 00:39:207 - . I it's following the piano better in general k
  2. 00:46:599 (65,66,67) - The triplet here kinda break the focus you made on this part. Better just remove the triplet to map those notes 00:46:707 - 00:47:028 - . as k if you want a good emphasis on 00:47:242 (68) - kept it as d for repeated k k k d pattern instead.
  3. 01:05:885 - no need to skip this note. Better add a k. Also 01:05:028 (45) - this note as k to get better emphasis on the D.
  4. 02:04:171 - ^ ; same for 02:03:314 (106) -
  5. 01:20:885 (108,109,110) - triplet triplet is too much with the current mapping style used on this map. better just use d d on this.
  6. 01:24:528 (122,123,124,125,126) - considering the intensity of the song. I'd rather have a ddd d or ddd k instead of 5 notes stream. Even tho there's a drum roll. there's also the possibility to change it into slider but meh
  7. in order to not make the change of focus too sudden I'd rather play this note 01:29:885 - instead of playing this one 01:30:314 (144) - (move 01:30:314 (144) - here 01:29:885 - )
  8. 01:34:171 - the same thing happen here.
  9. 01:24:957 - 02:11:242 - almost a min without 3/2 or 2/1 break. To prevent a Nardo'd ; I'd suggest you to put at least one 2/1 or 3/2. -
    _ - added one

    - here 01:45:528 - a 3/2 should be enough
    - here 01:35:671 - a 2/1 if you really want to be sure with rest time
  10. 02:19:385 (169,170,171,172) - change it into a k k D or k k d to make it flow really good with the ddddd.
  11. 02:55:171 (34) - better remove this note to keep a good gimmick on the vocal
  12. 02:56:457 (40) - this note will surely get way more emphasis as k
  13. 03:18:099 (16,19) - according to 01:05:242 (46,48) - 02:03:528 (107,109) - finishers are missing
    01:11:671 (72,73,74,75,76,77) -
    02:09:957 (132,133,134,135,136,137) -
    dont want finisher there on cymbal anyway, feels overdone
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Title:Ima Koko
TitleUnicode:イマココ
Artist:Toyama Nao
ArtistUnicode:東山奈央
Creator:Kibbleru
Version:Nao's Muzukashii
Source:月がきれい
Tags:Here Right Now touyama tsuki ga kirei the moon is still beautiful Naotoshi Kocari Sinnoh Uta Nao Tomori
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hello, i have a few concerns here regarding the spread between the two taiko difficulties

#1 (top line is muzu and bottom is "oni" in all pictures):


00:24:742 (93,94,95,96,97,98,99,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,1) - in the oni should be nerfed to match the intensity of the muzukashii's occasional triplets+1/2 linkage. something that would work fine in this regard would be something like ddkkd d k kkd d kkkkd kdk. the separation of the original ddkkkkd would match up to the 1/2 usage in the muzukashii. i also suggest you move the muzukashii triplet to start on 00:25:814 - instead to then match the kkkkd in the oni.

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00:38:457 (46,47,48,49,50,51,52,53,54,55,56,57,58,59,60,61,62,63,64) - these notes in the oni need to be nerfed BIG TIME, along with some additions to the muzukashii due to the obvious volume of the piano notes in this section. i suggest ddk ddkkd k d kkd k. applying this suggestion would still call for a buff to the muzukashii, preferably, starting at 00:38:671 (34) - to be k ddd k [1/1 break] kkk d k. should look like this:


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01:06:528 (74,75,76,77,78,79,80,81,82) - doesn't need much explanation, i'd rather see this be simplified to kkddk d k k d. just matches the muzukashii quite a bit more than before.

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01:20:242 (147,148,149,150,151,152,153,154,155,156,157,158,159) - i appreciate the simplicity of this, however again, should be simplified to match the muzu-k ddd k ddkkd sounds really good here imo.

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the muzukashii here only uses 1/2 notes while the oni is cluttered with 1/4. please consider adding more muzukashii notes, preferably to where the triplets land on red ticks.

to be honest there are a lot more 9 plets that should be simplified, mainly due to not simple structure of them, i.e. ddkkdkd, but i think the point in that regard is clear

other minor, picky stuff that sticks out:
02:45:528 (80,81,82,83) - what's with the doublet emphasis here that's not in the oni?
02:18:528 (164,165,166,167,168) - you place the quint emphasis here on the white tick, but in the oni you switch it to the red tick-i don't see a reason to change the emphasis placement here, so i'd rather see that to be consistent between these two diffs
02:13:921 (146,147,148) - these in the muzu sound correct, but you skip over the red tick emphasis in the oni...
zzz there was other picky stuff i was gonna mention but nao has already said he does not agree with the concepts so

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hello, i have a few concerns here regarding the spread between the two taiko difficulties

#1 (top line is muzu and bottom is "oni" in all pictures):


00:24:742 (93,94,95,96,97,98,99,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,1) - in the oni should be nerfed to match the intensity of the muzukashii's occasional triplets+1/2 linkage. something that would work fine in this regard would be something like ddkkd d k kkd d kkkkd kdk. the separation of the original ddkkkkd would match up to the 1/2 usage in the muzukashii. i also suggest you move the muzukashii triplet to start on 00:25:814 - instead to then match the kkkkd in the oni.

nerfed oni but as discussed i am not interested in making the 2 diffs line up perfectly as players tend to play one diff at a time rather than 2.
the rhythm in muzu is the best i can do to highlight the most important piano sounds without having an overly dense rhythm.


#2:


00:38:457 (46,47,48,49,50,51,52,53,54,55,56,57,58,59,60,61,62,63,64) - these notes in the oni need to be nerfed BIG TIME, along with some additions to the muzukashii due to the obvious volume of the piano notes in this section. i suggest ddk ddkkd k d kkd k. applying this suggestion would still call for a buff to the muzukashii, preferably, starting at 00:38:671 (34) - to be k ddd k [1/1 break] kkk d k. should look like this:

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01:06:528 (74,75,76,77,78,79,80,81,82) - doesn't need much explanation, i'd rather see this be simplified to kkddk d k k d. just matches the muzukashii quite a bit more than before.
i don't see the point of nerfing this, the muzu diff is following the vocal layer and the oni is following the drums with an extremely simple pattern. you have to take into account that the muzu diff already has stuff that is considered very difficult for a muzu - doubles into 3/4 rhythm, 3/4 and 1/2 mixed rhythm, etc. if it was mapped like a generic 2.5 star white tick only muzu diff then i can agree but it is not mapped that way. it already offers fairly "complex" rhythm, given that the bpm is so low it is easy to tap but it is still not particularly ordinary. as such having an oni diff that presents slightly more of a challenge than normal is also not an issue. since spread is evaluated relative to each diff rather than on an absolute scale, having two slightly harder than average difficulties is not a problem.
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01:20:242 (147,148,149,150,151,152,153,154,155,156,157,158,159) - i appreciate the simplicity of this, however again, should be simplified to match the muzu-k ddd k ddkkd sounds really good here imo.
changed it to kkddk ddddkkd. as i said above, oversimplification is not that useful here. this is a very simple pattern already and it is also one of the densest sections in the muzu diff as well as the most intense part of the song.

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the muzukashii here only uses 1/2 notes while the oni is cluttered with 1/4. please consider adding more muzukashii notes, preferably to where the triplets land on red ticks.
this screenshot is particularly disingenuous because it is ONLY of the calm part of the kiai in the muzu diff. if you scroll left or right a bit you see this: https://i.imgur.com/1TcyKqk.png at 02:06:742 - and https://i.imgur.com/QW9DROA.png at 02:12:957 - . both sections do not strike me as problematic. what you've noticed is that the muzu diff, which focuses heavily on the vocals, is less dense when the vocals are less dense and the oni diff,
which is not focused on vocals as closely, is generally more dense all around. this is not a spread issue because spread has to be evaluated looking at the map as a whole NOT in 5 second chunks. the difficulty elements in this muzu diff include: doubles, 3/4 gaps, triples, occasional quints. the ones in oni: doubles and quads, 3/4 gaps, triples and quints, occasional simple longer streams. this is not a fundamentally flawed spread because the difficulty elements used in each diff scale into each other, and pointing out random 3 second chunks of the map where i didn't follow the density structure of the oni in the muzu does not help you prove that there is a fundamental spread issue.

to be honest there are a lot more 9 plets that should be simplified, mainly due to not simple structure of them, i.e. ddkkdkd, but i think the point in that regard is clear

other minor, picky stuff that sticks out:
02:45:528 (80,81,82,83) - what's with the doublet emphasis here that's not in the oni? i used doubles here to express the held vocal. i did not do that in the oni diff because in that diff i used a circle+3/4 gap+double for vocal (02:42:099 (90,91,92) - 02:43:814 (97,98,99) - ) and then a 02:44:457 (100,101,102) - a triple here for the held vocal. after that i did not fill this 02:45:421 - tick in because i felt that placing a ddk on a vocal and then immediately putting the same ddk on a drum rhythm: 02:45:957 - would not represent the song well. fundamentally just two different ways of following the song.
02:18:528 (164,165,166,167,168) - you place the quint emphasis here on the white tick, but in the oni you switch it to the red tick-i don't see a reason to change the emphasis placement here, so i'd rather see that to be consistent between these two diffs the muzu diff has rhythm focused mainly on vocals. this quint is placed like this because there is a drum 1/4 spam but it is still placed at the same time as the vocal in order to not feel like i changed layers randomly - the ddddd expressed both the held vocal and the 1/4 drum. in the oni diff, the rhythm is more based on the drum than the vocal, and this quint follows the drums more closely as a result.
02:13:921 (146,147,148) - these in the muzu sound correct, but you skip over the red tick emphasis in the oni... i don't understand this point.
the muzu there is following the guitar, as it does in other similar places, and the oni is following drums...

zzz there was other picky stuff i was gonna mention but nao has already said he does not agree with the concepts so

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- _ - willing to discuss further but i am not going to make a map simply by taking whatever's in the oni and deleting notes to make a muzu, it doesn't make sense. they follow different layers most of the time so having rhythms that are the same across difficulties is not something i think is necessary or useful.
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Seems Nao has accepted some suggestions. DQed so changes can be updated.
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aight, please somehow sort this out @nao,incandescence

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ok, looks like everything between nao and incandescence has been sorted out. since no changes were made to ctb and std, i'm requalifying this-
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