You are allowed to break any rule if you have enough kudos. spend 150(or more)kudos per rule break for your map. and BAT will ignore the rule you have chosen to break.I know that some rules might not be breakable, but this new rule might give some freedom to a experienced mapper.
If you think that a certain rule is bad, then make/go to the thread discussing that rule.those no rules are bad, they just sometimes do not cover small majority. will not work, of course.
(although I do have strong interests)If there are enormous numbers of player supporting a certain map that breaks rule, Mark that map approve able.
Even, AT LEAST a quarter of the rules ARE guidelineable.
oh god that made me laughLuigiHann wrote:
This is a hilarious idea.
I think rules should stay rules, but we should totally charge people for breaking guidelines
Holy crap lolmm201 wrote:
Imagine SFG's comeback
have you ever jaywalking before?D33d wrote:
Jesus Christ, rules are rules for a reason.
If there are enormous numbers of player supporting a certain map that breaks rule, Mark that map approve able.Any Thoughts?
I am talking about rule breaking, not about mistakes... I think rule breaking =/= mistakes if you are making "mistakes" intentionally.mm201 wrote:
Fwiw, large amounts of players can support a map which has mistakes in it. And they would surely continue to support the map once the mistakes are fixed.
The current rule breaking rule is not broken.
should be non- spentarien666 wrote:
BTW, 150 non-spent kudosu or 150 total kudosu?
This is all it need to be said for this thread.RJ wrote:
If you disagree with any given rule being absolute, bring it up it its thread instead of suggesting we allow undermining of all the rules
So what you are suggesting is that if exceptions do occur, bring it up and discuss among the community if it is acceptable? that could work... But this also should be a rule then.bmin11 wrote:
This is all it need to be said for this thread.RJ wrote:
If you disagree with any given rule being absolute, bring it up it its thread instead of suggesting we allow undermining of all the rules
I was having problems with the length of map should be approved or ranked, but after discussion here we decided to just use the score system to indicate if it should be ranked or not. since the rule is still draft, we can do this. imagine if the rule was finalized, and wanted to change something, then this will imply that rules are not absolute. you could say that we can try to prefect the rule before it is finalized, but we cannot predict the future. even in our world, law/rules are subject to change.RandomJibberish wrote:
Uh, no, I'm saying that if you have a problem with a specific rule, if you can think of a situation where breaking it would be okay, you should bring it up in it's thread in this forum now. It's what it's here for.
if exceptions do occurwhich should not be the case if it's the rule. We are having discussions on other threads so this won't happen after it's finalized.
bring it up and discuss among the community if it is acceptable?That's why we have the New Rules Discussion forum.
But this also should be a rule thenRule that won't be needed if we have enough discussions before we finalize it. Ya, no.
I was having problems with the length of map should be approved or ranked, but after discussion here we decided to just use the score system to indicate if it should be ranked or not. since the rule is still draft, we can do thisDiscuss this on the Max Score or Beatmap Length thread so this won't be the case after we finalize the rule.
we can try to prefect the rule before it is finalized, but we cannot predict the future.If everyone agrees, the rule should be absolute. It's like voting and if people don't discuss before hand, they have little rights to change the rule, unless it's a major problem. And don't forget the approved section. We do have that category for a reason (maps that are rule breaking, but still worth the rank).
what is the downside of implement such rule!The idea of bribing BAT/MAT with kudosu? Breaking the purpose of Approved Beatmap's existence? Threats on steady ranked difficulty qualities?
isn't it up to you guys to decide?Which is arguable for the mapper side and leads to fuck tons of drama. We had enough drama for the last year thank you very much.
approve itThere you go. I think we both agreed that gimmicky maps are for approval. I'm happy that we have come to a fine conclusion.
If everyone agrees, the rule should be absolute. It's like voting and if people don't discuss before hand, they have little rights to change the rule, unless it's a major problem. And don't forget the approved section. We do have that category for a reason (maps that are rule breaking, but still worth the rank).the current rule for approved maps are exceptions for score, so it does not do much. if you put it that way, sure. Although I don't fully agree rule breaking must be gimmick maps or vice versa , but at least there is a place they belong...
The idea of bribing BAT/MAT with kudosu? Breaking the purpose of Approved Beatmap's existence? Threats on steady ranked difficulty qualities?Not bribing lol, you are not give it to them. you basically spent it.
Threats on steady ranked difficulty qualities
Thanks!Soaprman wrote:
It's in here: viewtopic.php?f=4&t=65715
peppy wrote:
To clarify, I propose merging approved into ranked. Some exceptions may have to be made, but most could be waived as "previous standards".
Player support isn't the gold standard for guideline breaking. I can support a map and still prepare a giant nazi list of mods. Think of modding like the beta testing period of an awesome new game. Yes, it's clearly awesome, but it might still have some kinks to be worked out.bmin11 wrote:
Support from players should be an enough indication for what the map worth it. If the map has no supports from players? The map probably did not take a full advantage from breaking the rule at all, which does not worth as an approved beatmap IMO
mm201 wrote:
This one should be kept to its original subject.
Okay, end of discussion.ziin wrote:
This thread is about removing rules from approval maps by using kudosu.
Maybe this is what I am trying to say all along... but I guess I got side tracked.bmin11 wrote:
Anyway, I'm counting on BAT/MAT's opinion for approving and such, not the rule itself. If the map breaks the rule, but if BAT/MAT thinks the map is taking advantage of it and players are showing support for the rule breaking, they should be able to approve the map. Just like when Free Styler got ranked. Yes, it needed a farther discussion to 'justify' it with rules, but it had little problem from the player's side.
