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Camellia - ill intelligence [CatchTheBeat]

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Hareimu
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Topic Starter
Hareimu
This beatmap was submitted using in-game submission on sábado, 17 de marzo de 2018 at 20:47:22

Artist: Camellia
Title: ill intelligence
Tags: hardcore speedcore hardstyle electronic electro kameria kamerukameria kamelcamellia かめるかめりあ planet//shaper c88 CTCD-011
BPM: 175
Filesize: 11588kb
Play Time: 05:17
Difficulties Available:
  1. SYSTEM MALFUNCTION (7,51 stars, 1411 notes)
Download: Camellia - ill intelligence
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Ranked #6
Last edited by Hareimu , edited 31 times in total.
Sorceress
332 posts
Joined September 2012
Sorceress
It's me the modding guy with a mod

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SYSTEM MALFUNCTION
]
  1. 00:00:151 (1) - I know this is the very start of the map but I think this would work really well as separate notes with dashes instead. The sounds are strong and this beatmap gets way more intense than this so I don't think it's overkill to have at the start. Same would go for all similar sliders in the intro, 00:02:893 (1) - 00:05:636 (1) - 00:11:122 (1) - 00:13:865 (1) - 00:16:608 (1) -
  2. 00:25:351 (1) - This is following a pretty weak sound but the current SV pretty much matches the catcher movement speed so I'd recommend throwing some tilt on this
  3. 00:34:008 (1,2,3,4,5) - These sounds are still quite weak, can be hard to distinguish them so I'd suggest keeping movement pretty light here, no dashes and fewer direction changes
  4. 00:39:836 (1,2,3) - Would prefer a strong walk to a dash
  5. 00:44:036 - The stream starting about here builds up really nicely, however I feel it gets a bit too intense too quickly. I think it would help to use as close as possible to minimum hyper distance until around 00:51:236 - where you could start to gradually increase it
  6. 01:10:093 (1,2) - There's a cool sound you could follow that would add a little more variety here. Try extending both these sliders to the blue tick and using a pattern like this with some slight antiflow 1/4 hypers, same for 01:21:065 (1,2) -
  7. 01:27:665 (5,6,1) - I'm finding this fairly tricky to hit, would be nice of you to nerf 01:27:665 (5,6) - so there's no hyper between them for scrubs like me
  8. 01:37:522 (1,2,3,4,5,6) - This is easier to hit than it looks but it's still very uncomfortable with strong hypers into strong antiflow. I'd recommend nerfing the antiflow a bit on the sliders so it's still intense but a little easier
  9. 02:07:182 (4) - Possible to make this fully horizontal just to make the movement across this flow as best it can
  10. 02:17:274 (10,11) - Direction changes on this feels off, 02:17:424 (11) - is quite weak, certainly when compared to the sound around it. I think it would be better to get rid of the direction change here and do a cheeky quick Ctrl+H flip on all of 02:17:574 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11,1) -
  11. 02:26:874 (10,11) - Same point as above though I don't see a quick easy way to adjust this
  12. 03:00:774 (1,1) - Distance is just a little high, easy to get caught out here after losing some concentration during the break
  13. 04:02:764 (3,4,5,6) - This pattern is a little tricky and 04:03:107 (4) - feels quite overemphasised, 1/4 hyper double direction change is damn intense. I'd recommend not using a hyper to 04:03:107 (4) - at all though looking at the pattern you've used at 04:13:735 (3,4,5,6) - this one is not nearly as hard due to the lack of direction change between 04:13:735 (3,4) - so you could do the same as that instead
  14. 04:42:192 - In this section the sounds you're following gradually fade out but the patterns remain the same intensity. Would be nice to reduce the movement on these sliders as the song fades out

Nice map, don't let this end up in the graveyard!
Hareimu
624 posts
Joined March 2014
Topic Starter
Hareimu

Sorcerer wrote:

It's me the modding guy with a mod

[
SYSTEM MALFUNCTION
]
  1. 00:00:151 (1) - I know this is the very start of the map but I think this would work really well as separate notes with dashes instead. The sounds are strong and this beatmap gets way more intense than this so I don't think it's overkill to have at the start. Same would go for all similar sliders in the intro, 00:02:893 (1) - 00:05:636 (1) - 00:11:122 (1) - 00:13:865 (1) - 00:16:608 (1) - done
  2. 00:25:351 (1) - This is following a pretty weak sound but the current SV pretty much matches the catcher movement speed so I'd recommend throwing some tilt on this done
  3. 00:34:008 (1,2,3,4,5) - These sounds are still quite weak, can be hard to distinguish them so I'd suggest keeping movement pretty light here, no dashes and fewer direction changes done
  4. 00:39:836 (1,2,3) - Would prefer a strong walk to a dash done
  5. 00:44:036 - The stream starting about here builds up really nicely, however I feel it gets a bit too intense too quickly. I think it would help to use as close as possible to minimum hyper distance until around 00:51:236 - where you could start to gradually increase it changed to a more gradual buildup
  6. 01:10:093 (1,2) - There's a cool sound you could follow that would add a little more variety here. Try extending both these sliders to the blue tick and using a pattern like this with some slight antiflow 1/4 hypers, same for 01:21:065 (1,2) - I'm trying to follow both the strong, loud snare sounds audible 01:08:379 - here for example and adding a fairly strong hyperdash every two measures or so for hyper placement on this section of the kiai, so no, it's intended to be like this.
  7. 01:27:665 (5,6,1) - I'm finding this fairly tricky to hit, would be nice of you to nerf 01:27:665 (5,6) - so there's no hyper between them for scrubs like me both are loud snare sounds, so nope, keeping it, it also offers a nice rhythm input pattern so that you actually follow both sounds with your keys, emphasizing them better.
  8. 01:37:522 (1,2,3,4,5,6) - This is easier to hit than it looks but it's still very uncomfortable with strong hypers into strong antiflow. I'd recommend nerfing the antiflow a bit on the sliders so it's still intense but a little easier Same reason as before, if I nerfed the antiflow on the sliders it'd be a lot less emphasized as a drop of the consistent rhythm the second kiai was keeping until now. It also acts as an input pattern as the previous point.
  9. 02:07:182 (4) - Possible to make this fully horizontal just to make the movement across this flow as best it can sure
  10. 02:17:274 (10,11) - Direction changes on this feels off, 02:17:424 (11) - is quite weak, certainly when compared to the sound around it. I think it would be better to get rid of the direction change here and do a cheeky quick Ctrl+H flip on all of 02:17:574 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11,1) - no need to do so, since I'm just using quick patterning on all these notes and sliders until this point, as you can see on most of 02:13:974 (1,2,3,4,5) - 02:15:924 (5,6,7,8,9) - the quintuplets I've been using until now. Not really following intensity anymore, since the whole 200bpm section is pretty much the zenith of the entire track and I want to adequate the players to the sudden crescendo of BPM for the first half of the section, while starting to follow previously mentioned intensity from 02:31:974 - onwards with the constant 1/4 hypers.
  11. 02:26:874 (10,11) - Same point as above though I don't see a quick easy way to adjust this same as above
  12. 03:00:774 (1,1) - Distance is just a little high, easy to get caught out here after losing some concentration during the break fixed
  13. 04:02:764 (3,4,5,6) - This pattern is a little tricky and 04:03:107 (4) - feels quite overemphasised, 1/4 hyper double direction change is damn intense. I'd recommend not using a hyper to 04:03:107 (4) - at all though looking at the pattern you've used at 04:13:735 (3,4,5,6) - this one is not nearly as hard due to the lack of direction change between 04:13:735 (3,4) - so you could do the same as that instead removed the hyper into 4 and made the whole 04:02:421 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9) - into a different pattern, same with 04:13:392 (1,2,3,4,5,6) - .
  14. 04:42:192 - In this section the sounds you're following gradually fade out but the patterns remain the same intensity. Would be nice to reduce the movement on these sliders as the song fades out done <3

Nice map, don't let this end up in the graveyard! thanks! not gonna allow it to, I promise :>
koliron
791 posts
Joined July 2014
koliron
mod
2017-10-21 00:01 koliron: bueno
2017-10-21 00:02 koliron: no se que hayan cambiado de las reglas y eso
2017-10-21 00:02 koliron: asi que probablemente solo haga comentarios generales
2017-10-21 00:02 Hareimu: oki
2017-10-21 00:02 Hareimu: primero que nada, tiene cosas unrankables? :thinking:
2017-10-21 00:03 Hareimu: casi todos los patterns que usé estan presentes en sets/gds de ctb rankeadas hoy en dia
2017-10-21 00:03 koliron: 00:59:465 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8) - 
2017-10-21 00:03 koliron: muy feo!
2017-10-21 00:03 koliron: no lo sé, no me acuerdo bien de todas esas cosas
2017-10-21 00:04 koliron: después las voy a tener que releer
2017-10-21 00:04 Hareimu: como mapearias vos esos?
2017-10-21 00:04 koliron: porfa, hace un patron similar a los anteriores a ese
2017-10-21 00:04 Hareimu: no me gustan a mi tampoco
2017-10-21 00:04 koliron: entiendo que tiene que ir yendo mas fuerte en esa parte
2017-10-21 00:04 Hareimu: se pueden fcear perfectamente con seguir el beat 1/1 con las teclas, pero no me gusta
2017-10-21 00:04 koliron: pero lo podes solucionar metiendo hypers en el medio, por ejemplo
2017-10-21 00:05 koliron: 01:04:265 (1,2,3,4) - y como se te ocurre cerrar con esto!!
2017-10-21 00:05 Hareimu: es que no quiero poner hypers en ticks rojos hasta 01:00:836 -
2017-10-21 00:05 koliron: onda, debería ser algo potente para cerrar la cosa
2017-10-21 00:06 Hareimu: y 01:04:265 (1,2,3,4) - es para introducir al jugador al pattern que va a aparecer reiteradas veces en el map
2017-10-21 00:06 koliron: mmmmh soi tenes razon
2017-10-21 00:06 Hareimu: (si, lo introduzco un minuto despues de que empiece el tema pero mejor tarde que nunca (?)
2017-10-21 00:06 koliron: 01:04:265 (1,2,3,4) - se supone que es una overdose fuerte, por qué los tenes que introducir?
2017-10-21 00:07 Hareimu: los tengo que introducir porque hasta ahora lo unico que jugó el player fueron hyperdashes de 1/4 cada medio beat
2017-10-21 00:07 Hareimu: y eso como mucho
2017-10-21 00:07 koliron: 01:05:979 - esto fue lo que más note al jugar
2017-10-21 00:07 Hareimu: asi que ya que estoy lo introduzco al final del buildup
2017-10-21 00:07 koliron: me molesto bastante que el kiai sea menos intenso que lo anterior
2017-10-21 00:07 koliron: tipo, sse nota MUCHO la diferencia
2017-10-21 00:08 Hareimu: si, ya se
2017-10-21 00:08 koliron: te recomiendo cambiar algunos patrones de por aca
2017-10-21 00:08 koliron: por ej
2017-10-21 00:08 Hareimu: pero tengo mi razon.
2017-10-21 00:08 koliron: 01:10:093 (1,2,3) - sabes las maravillas que podes hacer con estos sonidos? aaaaa
2017-10-21 00:08 Hareimu: primero que nada, no quiero enfatizar mas que los sonidos de snare a los cuales les pongo normal-hitclap
2017-10-21 00:08 Hareimu: por ejemplo, 01:08:379 (5) - esto
2017-10-21 00:09 koliron: |entiendo
2017-10-21 00:09 Hareimu: y los downbeats cada measure como 01:08:722 (1) -
2017-10-21 00:09 koliron: podrias entonces exagerar esos, un toque :D
2017-10-21 00:09 Hareimu: y no les pongo tantos hypers por una razon mas
2017-10-21 00:09 koliron: cual
2017-10-21 00:09 Hareimu: 03:36:364 - este kiai no tendria ninguna diferencia.
2017-10-21 00:09 Hareimu: seria lo mismo pero con patterns distintos
2017-10-21 00:09 koliron: mmmh, puede ser
2017-10-21 00:10 koliron: igual es feito que el no kioai sea mas potente que el kiai
2017-10-21 00:10 koliron: capaz
2017-10-21 00:10 Hareimu: y creeeeo que de no ser por el kiai de 200bpm que tiene a mitad de camino es el kiai mas importante
2017-10-21 00:10 koliron: si le sacas el kiai a esta parte directamente?
2017-10-21 00:10 koliron: y lo tomas como una parte normal
2017-10-21 00:10 Hareimu: quedaria raro
2017-10-21 00:10 koliron: mmmh bueno
2017-10-21 00:11 koliron: tenelo en cuenta por si alguien mas habla de esto
2017-10-21 00:11 Hareimu: la parte es intensa y se destaca del resto de secciones ya jugadas porque tiene la misma base y ritmo que 03:36:364 -
2017-10-21 00:11 Hareimu: solo que 03:36:364 - tiene sonidos de sintetizador agudos
2017-10-21 00:11 Hareimu: si si, tranqui que lo voy a tener en cuenta
2017-10-21 00:11 koliron: 01:37:522 - muy hermosa esta parteeee
2017-10-21 00:11 Hareimu: ya seeee <3
2017-10-21 00:12 Hareimu: es la parte que mas tenia en la cabeza pensado como mapearla
2017-10-21 00:12 Hareimu: y quedo perfecta
2017-10-21 00:12 Hareimu: fue tipo
2017-10-21 00:12 Hareimu: despues conecté todo a ese pattern (?
2017-10-21 00:12 Hareimu: antes de poner cualquier otra nota antes de ese pattern, fui y lo puse primero
2017-10-21 00:13 Hareimu: por cierto, en cuanto a eso de exagerar los hypers del primer kiai
2017-10-21 00:13 Hareimu: creo que lo hice ya
2017-10-21 00:13 Hareimu: tipo, mira 01:08:208 (4,5,1) - esto
2017-10-21 00:13 koliron: ahh verdad
2017-10-21 00:13 koliron: jajaj
2017-10-21 00:13 koliron: 02:27:924 (5,6,7,8,9,10) - 
2017-10-21 00:14 koliron: es una buena idea, peor es algo feo de jugar?
2017-10-21 00:14 koliron: quiza soy yo por llevar mucho sin jugar
2017-10-21 00:14 koliron: por eso te pregunto
2017-10-21 00:15 Hareimu: y, tenes razon
2017-10-21 00:15 Hareimu: porque es tipo
2017-10-21 00:15 Hareimu: 02:27:924 (5,6,7) - este cosito
2017-10-21 00:15 Hareimu: pero despues 7 se conecta con 02:28:074 (7,8,9,10) -
2017-10-21 00:15 Hareimu: y queda raro
2017-10-21 00:15 Hareimu: podria mover 02:27:999 (6) - a x:469
2017-10-21 00:16 koliron: no estaría mal!
2017-10-21 00:16 koliron: 02:45:474 (3,4,5) - 
2017-10-21 00:16 Hareimu: entonces hecho
2017-10-21 00:16 koliron: como que no va no?
2017-10-21 00:17 Hareimu: lo unico que veo de problema en eso es que 4 y 5 tienen distancia extra
2017-10-21 00:17 koliron: es la parte mas potente de todo el mapa y metes esta pausa feita
2017-10-21 00:17 Hareimu: entre si, digo
2017-10-21 00:17 koliron: diria yo más bien de meterle más entre 3 y 4
2017-10-21 00:17 Hareimu: ah para
2017-10-21 00:17 koliron: por ejemplo intercambiando posiciones entre 4 y 54
2017-10-21 00:17 Hareimu: ctrl+h a 02:45:624 (4,5) - y moverlos a x:395 me parece bien
2017-10-21 00:17 koliron: claro!
2017-10-21 00:18 koliron: 02:46:224 (8,9) - lo mismo aca para no quedar incoherente no?
2017-10-21 00:18 koliron: 02:49:974 - muy buenos patrones por acaaa
2017-10-21 00:19 Hareimu: hecho con 02:46:224 (8,9) - tambien
2017-10-21 00:19 Hareimu: de paso les saqué el 1,2x de distancia que tenian de entre medio y los deje a 1x
2017-10-21 00:19 Hareimu: eran medio faciles de overshootear
2017-10-21 00:20 koliron: 03:13:392 (5,6) - 03:14:078 (7,1) - yo aca, personalmente hubiese aprovechado mucho más el efecto que le metiste al primer slider
2017-10-21 00:20 koliron: terminandolo en 1/8
2017-10-21 00:20 koliron: 03:15:450 (4,2) - 
2017-10-21 00:20 Hareimu: no lo terminé en 1/4 al otro?
2017-10-21 00:20 koliron: y ahi obvio
2017-10-21 00:20 koliron: si pero
2017-10-21 00:21 koliron: no se, parecia que iba para más al jugarlo
2017-10-21 00:21 koliron: no sé capaz no
2017-10-21 00:21 Hareimu: y no se vos, pero yo siento que 03:13:392 (5) - en comparacion directa con 03:13:735 (6) - el sonido de fondo de (5) dura mas
2017-10-21 00:21 koliron: estoy manca jugando, por eso te dije que son sugerencias generales jajaja
2017-10-21 00:21 Hareimu: no estas muy manca
2017-10-21 00:22 Hareimu: estas testeandolo ahora
2017-10-21 00:22 Hareimu: no jugando en un playthrough
2017-10-21 00:22 koliron: 03:35:364 (3,4) - hyper por aca porfiiii!!
2017-10-21 00:22 Hareimu: eh
2017-10-21 00:22 koliron: el sonido da para mas amiguito
2017-10-21 00:23 Hareimu: no lo hice en ninguno de los otros, no lo voy a hacer en ese
2017-10-21 00:23 Hareimu: es solo un soundfont de una voz que dice el nombre del tema
2017-10-21 00:23 Hareimu: y encima con snaps rancios
2017-10-21 00:23 koliron: aaaah
2017-10-21 00:23 koliron: verdad
2017-10-21 00:23 koliron: no vi el snap
2017-10-21 00:23 koliron: mmh bueno nvm
2017-10-21 00:23 Hareimu: dudo mucho que me pueda salir con la mia poniendo hypers
2017-10-21 00:25 koliron: 04:28:649 (3,4) - muy malvado para estar en una zona tan tranquila?
2017-10-21 00:26 Hareimu: por?
2017-10-21 00:26 Hareimu: hice lo mismo al principio
2017-10-21 00:26 koliron: 04:39:621 (3,4) - mejor si solo conservas este, que acá la cancion está más potente
2017-10-21 00:26 Hareimu: 00:08:379 (1,2,3,4) - kek
2017-10-21 00:27 koliron: nono
2017-10-21 00:27 koliron: me refiero
2017-10-21 00:27 koliron: al movimiento
2017-10-21 00:27 Hareimu: el tema era que queria mantener simetria entre 04:28:478 (1,2,3,4) - y 04:39:450 (1,2,3,4) -
2017-10-21 00:27 koliron: tipo que estan en linea
2017-10-21 00:27 koliron: el 3 y el 4
2017-10-21 00:27 koliron: entonces el movimiento es medio dificil para estar por aca que casi no se escucha la cancion
2017-10-21 00:28 Hareimu: ah banca
2017-10-21 00:28 Hareimu: si hago que 3 esté a 1x de distancia de 4 puede funcionar
2017-10-21 00:28 koliron: dale
2017-10-21 00:28 Hareimu: 04:28:649 (3) - en x:279, 04:28:735 (4) - en x:233
2017-10-21 00:29 Hareimu: lo mismo con el otro pero horizontalmente inverso
2017-10-21 00:29 koliron: amiguito mira el aimod, hay algunas cosas mal snapeadas
2017-10-21 00:30 Hareimu: PERO LA CONCHA DE MI HERMANA YO SNAPPEE TODO CORRECTAMENTE PARA EL ULTIMO MOD
2017-10-21 00:30 koliron: jajaja
2017-10-21 00:30 Hareimu: odio el editor.
2017-10-21 00:32 koliron: che y el comienzo de la vista previa?
2017-10-21 00:32 koliron: no mew acuerdo ni el nombre, jajaja
2017-10-21 00:32 Hareimu: banca que pongo resnap all objects y devuelvo los snaps rancios
2017-10-21 00:32 Hareimu: vista previa?
2017-10-21 00:32 koliron: del audio
2017-10-21 00:32 Hareimu: ah, preview point?
2017-10-21 00:32 koliron: al seleccionarlo
2017-10-21 00:32 koliron: empieza desde un momento random
2017-10-21 00:33 Hareimu: 03:12:950 - esta aca
2017-10-21 00:33 Hareimu: :l
2017-10-21 00:33 koliron: 03:13:050 - ponelo acaa!
2017-10-21 00:33 koliron: se llega a escuchar el ultimo sonido
2017-10-21 00:33 koliron: de la parte anterior, y suena feo
2017-10-21 00:33 Hareimu: ah, bueno
2017-10-21 00:34 koliron: :D
2017-10-21 00:34 koliron: bueno, eso es todo amiguito
2017-10-21 00:34 Hareimu: pasa que en mi pc empieza unos ms mas tarde
2017-10-21 00:34 Hareimu: y se escucha raro
2017-10-21 00:34 Hareimu: zirox hacia lo mismo
2017-10-21 00:34 koliron: tengo que dormir, mañana tengo clase aaaa
2017-10-21 00:34 Hareimu: asi que pensé que no tenia mucha importancia \:D/
Divine Cake
152 posts
Joined November 2013
Divine Cake
Short mod on the request of a hidden admirer

00:00:151 (1,2,3) - and 00:02:893 (1,2,3) - would use slightly lower spacing here as compared to 00:05:636 (1,2,3) - around 1.6-1.7x
00:30:836 (2,3) - feels a bit low on spacing imo. would increase to 1.2-1.4
00:47:122 (1,2) - jump feels a bit high spaced.
00:47:122 (1) - shouldn't NC be on 00:47:293 (2) - ?
00:58:093 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8) - feel this pattern starts 2 or 4 measures too early. i would use 00:57:408 (1,2,3,4,5,6) - this kind of pattern for either just 00:58:093 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8) - or both that and 00:58:779 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8) - the sounds you are following are really low for these first here, so would change it.
01:27:236 (4,5) - feel this spacing
03:35:107 (2,3) - spacing is a bit high for this break in the music for the mechanical voice
04:29:850 (1,1) - bit of a spinnertrap i feel, maybe move 1 a bit more towards the centre?
04:42:192 - possible to use some anti-flow sliders or different slider shapes for this last section? feels a bit long and repeated.
Hareimu
624 posts
Joined March 2014
Topic Starter
Hareimu

Divine Cake wrote:

Short mod on the request of a hidden admirer wonder who that could be

00:00:151 (1,2,3) - and 00:02:893 (1,2,3) - would use slightly lower spacing here as compared to 00:05:636 (1,2,3) - around 1.6-1.7x sure
00:30:836 (2,3) - feels a bit low on spacing imo. would increase to 1.2-1.4 alright
00:47:122 (1,2) - jump feels a bit high spaced. reduced a tad
00:47:122 (1) - shouldn't NC be on 00:47:293 (2) - ? it shouldn't be there in the first place, removed.
00:58:093 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8) - feel this pattern starts 2 or 4 measures too early. i would use 00:57:408 (1,2,3,4,5,6) - this kind of pattern for either just 00:58:093 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8) - or both that and 00:58:779 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8) - the sounds you are following are really low for these first here, so would change it. rearranged the patterning so that the pattern you mentioned starts at 00:59:465 - instead, since that's when the bass sounds are stronger.
01:27:236 (4,5) - feel this spacing uh, the spacing there is fine, but changed 01:27:151 (3,4) - 's distancing instead to be lower.
03:35:107 (2,3) - spacing is a bit high for this break in the music for the mechanical voice reduced
04:29:850 (1,1) - bit of a spinnertrap i feel, maybe move 1 a bit more towards the centre? I don't think so, there's a full 1/1 beat of distance between the spinnerend and the note, I also pretty much implied to the player that the fruit was gonna be on the left side by placing 04:29:507 (8) - to the right side, that way the player will instinctively move to the left.
04:42:192 - possible to use some anti-flow sliders or different slider shapes for this last section? feels a bit long and repeated. will remap it so that it's a bit more enjoyable
thanks for the mod!
Ascendance
Elite Mapper
4,252 posts
Joined July 2013
Ascendance
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  1. Difficulty Spread : Not applicable
  2. Background Size : Good
  3. Unsnapped objects : unsure
  4. Audio bitrate over 192 kbps : Good
  5. Metadata Issues : Need confirmation
  6. Timeline Issues : Good
  7. Combo Colors : Please switch the colors of combos 2 and 3. It's not recommended to place two similar colors right next to each other in the CC order.
  8. Unused Hitsounds : Good
  9. Hitsounds Issues : Good
  10. Unused Files / Other : Good

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General



  1. 00:09:751 (1) - missing some cool wub stream potential here
  2. 00:25:351 (1) - the slider sounds like it's mapped to vocals but it's actually not, so I'd just remove it entirely.
  3. Actually after playing through it you're better off adding a spinner at 00:22:093 - and ending at 00:27:579 - and another one at 00:39:922 - to 00:43:693 - or something, the vocal snaps sound really off
  4. 01:15:751 (2,3,4,5) - these sound off, they feel much better at 1/4 and simplifying it
  5. 01:16:265 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7) - these ones are snapped fine but i think simplifying it to 1/4 makes it easier
  6. 02:41:874 (2,3) - try x:216 here, pretty far from the previous note
  7. 03:21:278 - would be cool here if you gradually decreased distances, like starting from a stronger hyper and ending the pattern at 03:22:992 - on no hyper
  8. 03:38:078 (2,3) - no clue why this is 1/4, nothing changes here
  9. 03:43:564 (2,3) - and again. if you're trying to emphasize the pitch change, idk if 1/4 is the best choice, and if you decide to keep the 1/4, delete the hdash at least. this applies to further cases of this in the kiais.
  10. 04:29:850 (1) - wobs

won't nominate until the vocal snappings and those weird streams are confirmed by someone like deif, please try to talk to him.
call me back after that!
hikiko-
236 posts
Joined May 2015
hikiko-
saw this in #catch, thought "oh i liked dark thunder let's check this one out", then noticed the timing is pretty wonk
first offset should be at ~134, nothing else really needs to be touched though
they're all at most maybe 3-4 ms off except for the first one which is 17 off

cool map btw, i can't play it but it's pretty : ok_hand :
Hareimu
624 posts
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Topic Starter
Hareimu

Ascendance wrote:

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  1. Difficulty Spread : Not applicable
  2. Background Size : Good
  3. Unsnapped objects : unsure
  4. Audio bitrate over 192 kbps : Good
  5. Metadata Issues : Need confirmation
  6. Timeline Issues : Good
  7. Combo Colors : Please switch the colors of combos 2 and 3. It's not recommended to place two similar colors right next to each other in the CC order. done
  8. Unused Hitsounds : Good
  9. Hitsounds Issues : Good
  10. Unused Files / Other : Good

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SYSTEM MALFUNCTION
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General



  1. 00:09:751 (1) - missing some cool wub stream potential here where? can't hear any wubs, and I was following bass sounds in the first place anyway so yeah not doing it for consistency sake.
  2. 00:25:351 (1) - the slider sounds like it's mapped to vocals but it's actually not, so I'd just remove it entirely.
  3. Actually after playing through it you're better off adding a spinner at 00:22:093 - and ending at 00:27:579 - and another one at 00:39:922 - to 00:43:693 - or something, the vocal snaps sound really off replaced all the sliders with two simple spinners placed at the end of the first section and the beginning of the buildup.
  4. 01:15:751 (2,3,4,5) - these sound off, they feel much better at 1/4 and simplifying it
  5. 01:16:265 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7) - these ones are snapped fine but i think simplifying it to 1/4 makes it easier 01:15:731 (2,3,4,5,6) - left these snapped the way they are, but resnapped 01:16:416 (2,3) - these to 1/4, hopefully it works better now.
  6. 02:41:874 (2,3) - try x:216 here, pretty far from the previous note uh, I think you meant x:316 (x:216 leaves the object at the left side of the playfield). Anyway I used x:361, should work better there.
  7. 03:21:278 - would be cool here if you gradually decreased distances, like starting from a stronger hyper and ending the pattern at 03:22:992 - on no hyper 03:22:935 (3,4) - removed hyper between these.
  8. 03:38:078 (2,3) - no clue why this is 1/4, nothing changes here I'm following the same sounds I followed on the first kiai (01:07:673 (2,3) - these) that, although hard to listen to, are definitely still there. Doing this both for consistency and for variety's sake, since not having them mapped leaves the section a bit boring IMO.
  9. 03:43:564 (2,3) - and again. if you're trying to emphasize the pitch change, idk if 1/4 is the best choice, and if you decide to keep the 1/4, delete the hdash at least. this applies to further cases of this in the kiais. Read above.
  10. 04:29:850 (1) - wobs Same as first point

won't nominate until the vocal snappings and those weird streams are confirmed by someone like deif, please try to talk to him. 01:15:902 (4,5,6) - these clearly sound like they are spaced by 1/3 of a beat between them, already changed 01:16:416 (2,3) - these two, deleted the vocals and added 00:22:245 (1,1) - these two bad boyes here instead, so yeah, I believe no confirmation will be needed.
call me back after that!

hikikochan wrote:

saw this in #catch, thought "oh i liked dark thunder let's check this one out", then noticed the timing is pretty wonk
first offset should be at ~134, nothing else really needs to be touched though changed the first offset, thank you!
they're all at most maybe 3-4 ms off except for the first one which is 17 off fixed, sorry bout that

cool map btw, i can't play it but it's pretty : ok_hand : thanks!
Ascendance
Elite Mapper
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Ascendance
went through a lot of fixes, ended up removing vocal snaps completely. bubbled!

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2018-03-16 20:21 Ascendance: ow o
2018-03-16 20:21 Hareimu: ACTION is editing [https://osu.ppy.sh/b/1429191 Camellia - ill intelligence [SYSTEM MALFUNCTION]]
2018-03-16 20:21 Hareimu: updated map
2018-03-16 20:21 Hareimu: see the things I changed and tell me if you feel it's good enough of a change to work
2018-03-16 20:21 Ascendance: recheq time
2018-03-16 20:21 Ascendance: the map is fine im just concerned about the vocals cuz some of them are really weird
2018-03-16 20:22 Hareimu: dw
2018-03-16 20:22 Hareimu: I deleted them
2018-03-16 20:22 Hareimu: changed by two spinners
2018-03-16 20:22 Ascendance: aw man you declined the spinner thing
2018-03-16 20:22 Ascendance: 00:09:731 - 
2018-03-16 20:22 Ascendance: that would sound so cool as a stream
2018-03-16 20:22 Hareimu: uh
2018-03-16 20:22 Hareimu: you selected 00:11:102 (1) - this object
2018-03-16 20:23 Hareimu: not 00:09:731 (1) - this object
2018-03-16 20:23 Ascendance: my bad
2018-03-16 20:23 Ascendance: but yea 00:09:731 -  and 04:29:850 - 
2018-03-16 20:23 Ascendance: could be cool funky streams
2018-03-16 20:25 Hareimu: how would you suggest me to map them like?
2018-03-16 20:25 Hareimu: because I don't really know how they'd work out
2018-03-16 20:25 Hareimu: I decided to place a spinner instead since the normal-hitnormal sounds are no longer there
2018-03-16 20:26 Ascendance: ACTION is editing [https://osu.ppy.sh/b/1208243 Billain - Boogie [Overdrive]]
2018-03-16 20:26 Ascendance: 04:46:128 - 
2018-03-16 20:26 Ascendance: some weird shape
2018-03-16 20:30 Ascendance: helo
2018-03-16 20:35 Hareimu: went to the bath
2018-03-16 20:35 Hareimu: sorry
2018-03-16 20:35 Ascendance: np
2018-03-16 20:35 Ascendance: if you dont wanna change those dw
2018-03-16 20:36 Ascendance: 01:04:988 (3) -
2018-03-16 20:36 Hareimu: I'd rather not
2018-03-16 20:36 Ascendance: definitely starts on 01:04:988 - 
2018-03-16 20:36 Ascendance: ends on 01:05:273 - 
2018-03-16 20:36 Hareimu: I can't come up with something new
2018-03-16 20:36 Ascendance: timeline https://ascendance.s-ul.eu/nbp26BC7
2018-03-16 20:36 Ascendance: i deleted a circle since it was on nothing also
2018-03-16 20:38 Hareimu: left a circle 01:05:359 - here
2018-03-16 20:38 Hareimu: since you can clearly hear the "lli" from "intelligence"
2018-03-16 20:38 Ascendance: 01:05:445 - make sure theres a circle on the 1/2 tho
2018-03-16 20:39 Hareimu: I did
2018-03-16 20:39 Ascendance: 01:19:845 (2) - feels slightly far try x:192
2018-03-16 20:39 Ascendance: 01:26:702 (2) - same with this, x:165!
2018-03-16 20:40 Hareimu: umm
2018-03-16 20:40 Hareimu: I've been using the same distancing for everything
2018-03-16 20:40 Ascendance: sheit
2018-03-16 20:40 Hareimu: kinda weird that you find that slightly far and not the whole kiai
2018-03-16 20:40 Ascendance: just feels different 2 me
2018-03-16 20:40 Ascendance: but the 2nd one is yea
2018-03-16 20:40 Hareimu: perhaps it's because of the whole 01:19:331 (5,1,2) - pattern
2018-03-16 20:41 Hareimu: the hdash from 5 to 1 is really strong
2018-03-16 20:41 Ascendance: btw switch the snaps on this 01:48:845 (2,3,4) - also
2018-03-16 20:41 Ascendance: and any other similar instances to this case
2018-03-16 20:42 Hareimu: done
2018-03-16 20:42 Hareimu: 02:09:512 (2,3,4) - dunno what to do with these though
2018-03-16 20:42 Ascendance: 01:09:731 (5,1) - pitch change, maybe make (1
2018-03-16 20:42 Ascendance: )
2018-03-16 20:42 Ascendance: move rightward
2018-03-16 20:42 Ascendance: to show the change
2018-03-16 20:43 Ascendance: https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/10488198
2018-03-16 20:43 Ascendance: this is the timeline that u didnt know what to do w/
2018-03-16 20:46 Hareimu: that timeline sounds really, really off
2018-03-16 20:46 Hareimu: the "intelligence" syllables sound earlier than that
2018-03-16 20:46 Hareimu: I found a different one already anyway
2018-03-16 20:46 Ascendance: https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/10488214 try that
2018-03-16 20:46 Hareimu: dw
2018-03-16 20:47 Hareimu: it's the same
2018-03-16 20:47 Hareimu: the first slider sounds later
2018-03-16 20:47 Ascendance: 03:12:013 - 
2018-03-16 20:47 Ascendance: https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/10488218
2018-03-16 20:50 Hareimu: I'll update so that you can see what I did instead
2018-03-16 20:50 Ascendance: before you do
2018-03-16 20:50 Ascendance: 03:23:278 (6,1) - remove hdash here for the effect i listed in the mod
2018-03-16 20:51 Ascendance: i'm not gonna lie
2018-03-16 20:51 Ascendance: i think the vocal snaps can be avoided
2018-03-16 20:51 Ascendance: it would make this a lot less complicated
2018-03-16 20:52 Ascendance: like for example just making 02:09:192 - a circle and then having a pause for effect
2018-03-16 20:52 Hareimu: that hdash is needed since the pitch of the last one is higher than 03:22:935 (3,4) - the one at 4 here
2018-03-16 20:52 Hareimu: in fact
2018-03-16 20:52 Ascendance: https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/10488245
2018-03-16 20:52 Ascendance: since it won't detract from drain time or anything
2018-03-16 20:53 Ascendance: but it'll make ranking easier since the snapping is different for each one 
2018-03-16 20:54 Hareimu: 03:22:650 - this is the same pitch as 03:23:335 -
2018-03-16 20:54 Hareimu: sorry went ranting in my head
2018-03-16 20:55 Ascendance: dw
2018-03-16 20:55 Hareimu: so I should delete every single "ill intelligence" objects?
2018-03-16 20:55 Ascendance: well it's really up to you
2018-03-16 20:55 Ascendance: i don't mind sitting around and trying to figure out snappings
2018-03-16 20:55 Ascendance: but if you want a simpler approach, you could delete the vocal snapped things and make it a pretty cool dramatic pause
2018-03-16 20:56 Ascendance: it brings some impact and reduces the chance of a dq/pop
2018-03-16 21:05 Hareimu: done
2018-03-16 21:05 Ascendance: update
2018-03-16 21:15 Hareimu: updated
2018-03-16 21:15 Hareimu: sorry for the lateness
2018-03-16 21:15 Hareimu: I was changing some patterns
2018-03-16 21:15 Hareimu: and I have a few questions
2018-03-16 21:15 Ascendance: sure
2018-03-16 21:15 Hareimu: 03:11:416 (6,7,8,9) - is this ok
2018-03-16 21:15 Hareimu: and what do you think of the 03:31:907 (3,4,5,6,1,2,3,4,5,6,1,2,3,4,5,6,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9) - quadruplet (wiggle) usage here
2018-03-16 21:16 Ascendance: I'd prefer if 03:11:672 (9) - was at x:458
2018-03-16 21:16 Hareimu: aaa but I'd have to ctrl+h 03:12:695 (10) - onwards
2018-03-16 21:17 Ascendance: nah i dont think so
2018-03-16 21:17 Ascendance: its a long enough pause
2018-03-16 21:17 Ascendance: to not matter
2018-03-16 21:17 Hareimu: thing is
2018-03-16 21:17 Hareimu: players will move to the left if I place 9 to the right
2018-03-16 21:17 Hareimu: and 03:12:695 (10) - is at the same side
2018-03-16 21:18 Ascendance: then ctrlh the whole map :nyab:
2018-03-16 21:18 Hareimu: aaaa but then the patterns I used would be fucced
2018-03-16 21:18 Hareimu: is it really that hard to read (9) though?
2018-03-16 21:19 Hareimu: it's nice to have a little wiggle at the end for the zenith of the pitch buildup
2018-03-16 21:19 Ascendance: mmfine
2018-03-16 21:19 Ascendance: for 03:34:650 (5,6,7,8) - 
2018-03-16 21:19 Ascendance: if this is all hdashes, please reduce 03:34:907 (8,9) - 
2018-03-16 21:20 Hareimu: is x:174 for (9) ok with u
2018-03-16 21:20 Ascendance: sure
2018-03-16 21:22 Ascendance: the volume around this section is really weird 03:05:623 - 
2018-03-16 21:22 Ascendance: 85% but the song is really quiet
2018-03-16 21:22 Ascendance: i know you want a volume buildup but i think starting it at lower would be better
2018-03-16 21:23 Ascendance: 03:28:821 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8) - 03:41:164 - inconsistent
2018-03-16 21:24 Hareimu: do you think that starting from 03:01:074 - here using 25% would be good
2018-03-16 21:24 Hareimu: increasing 5% by timing point
2018-03-16 21:25 Ascendance: yeah
2018-03-16 21:25 Ascendance: i think around 03:08:952 - you should be at like 80% volume
2018-03-16 21:25 Hareimu: 03:41:164 (3,4,5) - following the most audible things here
2018-03-16 21:25 Ascendance: but it;s really clearly too loud at places like 03:05:623 - 
2018-03-16 21:25 Hareimu: redid the volume thing already
2018-03-16 21:25 Ascendance: kk
2018-03-16 21:25 Hareimu: should be ok
2018-03-16 21:26 Ascendance: ok anything else you wanna discuss
2018-03-16 21:36 Hareimu: sec
2018-03-16 21:44 Hareimu: nope
2018-03-16 21:44 Ascendance: upd
2018-03-16 21:44 Hareimu: updating
2018-03-16 21:45 Hareimu: updated
2018-03-16 21:46 Hareimu: please check it thoroughly
2018-03-16 21:48 Ascendance: 01:48:302 (7,8) - small thing, maybe tilt this slightly to the left to play better instead of almost vertical
2018-03-16 21:49 Ascendance: 02:20:124 (1,1) - makes me sad cuz its a spinbait :sob:
2018-03-16 21:50 Hareimu: what should I do on the second one
2018-03-16 21:50 Ascendance: i mean the only way to fix it is ctrl+hing everything after it but its not a big deal
2018-03-16 21:50 Ascendance: just rip to max spin
2018-03-16 21:51 Hareimu: oooor
2018-03-16 21:51 Hareimu: 02:19:674 (11) - placing this close to the center as a horizontal slider pointing to the right and place 02:19:974 (12) - to the left
2018-03-16 21:51 Hareimu: (12 is your 1)
2018-03-16 21:51 Hareimu: wait
2018-03-16 21:51 Ascendance: oh sure
2018-03-16 21:52 Ascendance: 03:16:478 (3,4) - hdashing here is inconsistent with the others, i'd remove it
2018-03-16 21:55 Ascendance: 04:08:935 (6) -  cuuuuurve this is really sharp and its easy to miss that big droplet with an overshoot
2018-03-16 21:56 Ascendance: after that that's it
2018-03-16 21:56 Hareimu: |uuuh
2018-03-16 21:56 Hareimu: 03:16:478 (3,4) - how is this inconsistent?
2018-03-16 21:56 Hareimu: oh, you mean since 3 isn't 1/2?
2018-03-16 21:56 Ascendance: yea
2018-03-16 21:56 Ascendance: my bad
2018-03-16 22:02 Ascendance: tell me when you updooted
2018-03-16 22:02 Ascendance: I'll post the logs
Hareimu
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Hareimu
changed combocolour order
Ascendance
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Ascendance
rebubbled
Benita
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Benita
oops, by deleting the vocal section, this map is no longer 5 min drain.

However, you could add spinners in the other break times to fix this!

SYSTEM MALFUNCTION
  1. 00:20:188 (7,8) - Should be a normal dash, (8) doesn't have the same strenght as 00:16:245 (9) - etc so it's better to stay consistent with 00:11:102 (1,2,3) -
  2. 00:22:245 (1) - Why not end this on the white tick there lul
  3. 00:44:016 (1,2,3,4,5) - these notes are almost inaudiable, consider increasing the volume
  4. 00:44:959 (10,1) - 00:46:331 (8,1) - 00:47:616 (12,1) - do u need hdashes here? the song is still extremely calm... I'd overall reduce the amount of hdashes in this buildup.
  5. 01:35:959 (5,1) - should be hyper for consistency
  6. 03:38:078 (2,3) - 03:43:564 (2,3) - both of these hypers are imo unfitting, it's a 1/4 hdash which feels a lot stronger than any other 1/2 hdash in this kiai yet it hits the sound of almost nothingess. please remove
  7. 03:49:050 (2,3) - this one is even worse than above because sliderend of (3) is the strong beat, yet it's on a slider tail.
  8. 05:04:135 (1) - I also think this slider should end here 05:17:850 - there's no sound after this.

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Hareimu
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Topic Starter
Hareimu

Benny- wrote:

oops, by deleting the vocal section, this map is no longer 5 min drain.

However, you could add spinners in the other break times to fix this!

SYSTEM MALFUNCTION
  1. 00:20:188 (7,8) - Should be a normal dash, (8) doesn't have the same strenght as 00:16:245 (9) - etc so it's better to stay consistent with 00:11:102 (1,2,3) - Neither should 00:08:359 (1,2,3,4,5) - these have hdashes in between since they're the same sounds but I still made them have hdashes for the sake of variety. There's also the fact that if I change that one you're pointing I'd have to change 00:09:216 (7,8) - this one too and I'd rather keep both.
  2. 00:22:245 (1) - Why not end this on the white tick there lul following the sounds that appear 00:29:959 - 00:29:702 - 00:29:445 - in places like these to make the spinner land on an actual tangible sound.
  3. 00:44:016 (1,2,3,4,5) - these notes are almost inaudiable, consider increasing the volume uh, I can hear them clearly, dunno what you're on about here.
  4. 00:44:959 (10,1) - 00:46:331 (8,1) - 00:47:616 (12,1) - do u need hdashes here? the song is still extremely calm... I'd overall reduce the amount of hdashes in this buildup. yep, since there are pretty audible bass sounds that I think should get more emphasis than the rest of the 1/4 sounds (up your volume, they're clearly there and are noticeable even with 100% playback rate)
  5. 01:35:959 (5,1) - should be hyper for consistency done
  6. 03:38:078 (2,3) - 03:43:564 (2,3) - both of these hypers are imo unfitting, it's a 1/4 hdash which feels a lot stronger than any other 1/2 hdash in this kiai yet it hits the sound of almost nothingess. please remove Same reasoning as in the previous check, I'm following the same sounds I followed in the first kiai (01:07:673 (2,3) - ) both for consistency and for variety's take, because if I didn't then it'd become a boring 1/2 hdash spam real quick. Tilted the sliders to be horizontal so that the impact of them being 1/4 is significantly reduced.
  7. 03:49:050 (2,3) - this one is even worse than above because sliderend of (3) is the strong beat, yet it's on a slider tail. fixed that thing,
    but the structure will remain the same.
  8. 05:04:135 (1) - I also think this slider should end here 05:17:850 - there's no sound after this. okie

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Benita
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Benita
Now it should be 5 min...

... I think?
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yes
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