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Gloria Guard

Joined May 2011

Topic Starter

Gloria Guard 2017-09-12T00:21:45+00:00

This beatmap was submitted using in-game submission on 2017년 11월 25일 토요일 at 오전 2:05:11

Artist: MAZARE
Title: Mazare Party
Tags: toybot walaowey Neoskylove [ L u k a s ] oriental trap jcore utaite Nanahira Kradness Yukacco ななひら Camellia MIND HACK EXIT TUNES
BPM: 200
Filesize: 12801kb
Play Time: 03:56
Difficulties Available:

Easy (1.78 stars, 266 notes)
Expert (5.78 stars, 1115 notes)
Lukas' Insane (4.6 stars, 739 notes)
NeoSL's Hard (3.6 stars, 594 notes)
Normal (2.45 stars, 469 notes)
toybot's Extra (5.3 stars, 994 notes)
Walao's Party (6.45 stars, 1251 notes)

Download: MAZARE - Mazare Party
Information: Scores/Beatmap Listing
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Spacial thanks MaridiuS -> Really helpful to mod and he's try to more improve my map quality

Spacial thanks 2 -> smallboat

Easy, Normal Expert = me

Hard = Neoskylove

Insane = [ L u k a s ]

Extra = toybot

Extra 2 = walaowey

Last edited by Gloria Guard 2017-11-24T17:06:09+00:00, edited 67 times in total.

Hikomori

840 posts

Joined November 2015

Hikomori 2017-09-19T09:08:34+00:00

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allein

Beatmap Nominator

826 posts

Joined March 2015

allein 2017-09-24T08:08:37+00:00

RLC 0___o

Sulfur

278 posts

Joined December 2014

Sulfur 2017-10-16T10:47:23+00:00

I saw u looking for mods on this one

General

soft-hitfinish15.wav seems to be unused

Easy

00:46:800 (4,1) - 00:48:300 (3,1) - I really think you should blanket those lol
01:29:100 (2) - NC this one so its consistent with ur NC's at 02:57:900 (1,1,1) -
01:46:200 (4,1) - switch NC's
02:12:300 (1,2) - Maybe two 1/1 slider instead, would work a bit better for vocal
02:26:700 (1,1) - Theres not really enough time to recover after a spiner (only to beats even those its a 200 bpm song). I think u should either shorten it to 02:27:900 - (tho it doesnt really fit) or replace it with a slider/note/remove at all (tho i personally like just a single note at 02:26:700 (3) - and hp drain is low enough to allow it)
02:43:500 (1,2) - Somethinng like this maybe? Looks a bit better imo
03:17:100 - Maybe add a break time after this spinner coz u have like 3 measures without any objects
03:29:400 (4) - NC

Normal

01:11:100 (1,2,3,1,2) - Not a big fan of this rhythm, i think it would be a nice idea to do something like this to follow this male vocal, its more prominet than those vocals at 01:11:400 - and 01:12:600 - . Same with 02:41:100 (1,2,3,1,2) - and 03:21:900 (1,2,3,1,2) -

Hard

Why is this diff have stack leniency 2 jeez, make it like 6 or at least 5 idk
00:44:250 (4) - Maybe note and 2x reverse just so u have this snare at 00:44:400 - clickable
01:02:400 (3,2,3) - NC those two to indicate different snapping maybe. Same with 03:09:000 (2,3,4) - etc
01:24:300 (1,2) - It's not really clear what you want to follow with those, maybe you could two 1/2 sliders instead of those, this way u can make both vocal and percussion clickable at 01:24:600 -

Insane

00:11:100 (1,2,3) - Maybe try to use rhythm like this just so u dont skip over this synth (or whatever this thing proper name is) and at the same time percussion at 00:12:000 (4,1,2,3,4) - stand out a bit more
00:22:500 (3) - I guess its done for variations purpose but it doesnt really fit here, 3x reverse like at 00:21:300 (3) - fit a lot better
00:26:700 (1) - Why lol, just split it into 2 reverse sliders,skipping over snare at 00:27:000 - feels super awkward. If you want to add some variations
00:25:500 (1,2) - and 00:26:100 (3,4) - would be a better place for this slider
02:07:500 (1,2) - bro...

toybot's Extra

01:54:000 - I really think this synth/drum sounds should be clickable (like you did it at 02:03:300 (4,5) - maybe or something), that 1/1 really doesnt fit here ;_;
02:33:300 (3,4) - This kinda looks like a 1/2 gap, maybe you can make 02:33:300 (3) - like a 1/3 reverse or something idk

Im not really proficient at modding extras so yea thats it from me i guess, good luck!

Last edited by Sulfur 2017-10-16T11:44:17+00:00, edited 1 time in total.

Gloria Guard

2,274 posts

Joined May 2011

Topic Starter

Gloria Guard 2017-10-16T11:40:51+00:00

Sulfur wrote:
I saw u looking for mods on this one

General
soft-hitfinish15.wav seems to be unused
Easy
00:46:800 (4,1) - 00:48:300 (3,1) - I really think you should blanket those lol Fixed
01:29:100 (2) - NC this one so its consistent with ur NC's at 02:57:900 (1,1,1) - Fixed
01:46:200 (4,1) - switch NC's Fixed
02:12:300 (1,2) - Maybe two 1/1 slider instead, would work a bit better for vocal yea, but i intended the other feeling a make this vocal rhythm.
02:26:700 (1,1) - Theres not really enough time to recover after a spiner (only to beats even those its a 200 bpm song). I think u should either shorten it to 02:27:900 - (tho it doesnt really fit) or replace it with a slider/note/remove at all (tho i personally like just a single note at 02:26:700 (3) - and hp drain is low enough to allow it) Fixed
02:43:500 (1,2) - Somethinng like this maybe? Looks a bit better imo hmm, it's okay i think
03:17:100 - Maybe add a break time after this spinner coz u have like 3 measures without any objects Fixed
03:29:400 (4) - NC Fixed
Normal
01:11:100 (1,2,3,1,2) - Not a big fan of this rhythm, i think it would be a nice idea to do something like this to follow this male vocal, its more prominet than those vocals at 01:11:400 - and 01:12:600 - . Same with 02:41:100 (1,2,3,1,2) - and 03:21:900 (1,2,3,1,2) - well, i follow to male and female on vocal rhythm. and The rhythm of female vocals is very intense. If you think about it enough the player can read this rhythm.
Extra
01:54:000 - I really think this synth/drum sounds should be clickable (like you did it at 02:03:300 (4,5) - maybe or something), that 1/1 really doesnt fit here ;_; hmm, more get to this parts problem, i will change a little rhythms :3
02:33:300 (3,4) - This kinda looks like a 1/2 gap, maybe you can make 02:33:300 (3) - like a 1/3 reverse or something idk i think look good
Im not really proficient at modding extras so yea thats it from me i guess, good luck!

Thanks for mods !

Last edited by Gloria Guard 2017-10-16T11:57:45+00:00, edited 1 time in total.

Sulfur

278 posts

Joined December 2014

Sulfur 2017-10-16T11:42:38+00:00

damn i shouldve wrote toybot's extra lol

BlakeIsMyWaifu

50 posts

Joined March 2015

BlakeIsMyWaifu 2017-10-16T12:52:44+00:00

From my modding Q

Easy

00:01:575 (1) - Spinner recovery time should be at least 4 beats
00:05:700 (2,1) - This might be a bit confusing for a new player. They might try to start from the tail so Ctrl + G
00:10:200 (2,3,1) - This is almost a straight line but the 2 is slightly off and it is triggering me
00:28:800 (2) - I would Ctrl + G this as-well because 00:27:900 (1) points straight up into the tail
00:45:900 (3) - Use straightforward and easily understandable slider shapes
01:06:300 (3) - ^
01:10:500 (1) - ^
02:27:900 (2) - ^
02:45:300 (3,1) - I don't like overlaps like this in an easy. Not too sure about this one though
03:00:375 (1) - Spinner recovery time should be at least 4 beats. 3 is not enough because of the high BPM

Good luck with mapset!

2zz

334 posts

Joined April 2016

2zz 2017-10-16T14:05:57+00:00

Wlo Prt

01:48:975 (2,3,4,5) - too overspacive. No kiai, no stronger sounds then nearby, so no reasons for it.

decrease please

02:36:300 (1) - downscale for 10-15% maybe? Too high relative to the rest of map
01:34:800 (1) and 03:49:500 (1,1,1) - pretty ugly

Mwr Prt

02:10:200 (1) - I don't get, music and voice here both or music only. Strong beat on red tick, and that slider little ez to 100s. Same at 02:12:600 (1) and further.
Btw it is not very important because of camellia

Other diffs looks clean generally. Idk what else i can provide, so take a star.

Gloria Guard

2,274 posts

Joined May 2011

Topic Starter

Gloria Guard 2017-10-16T14:31:12+00:00

BlakeBestWaifu wrote:
From my modding Q

Easy
00:01:575 (1) - Spinner recovery time should be at least 4 beats Fixed
00:05:700 (2,1) - This might be a bit confusing for a new player. They might try to start from the tail so Ctrl + G idk, why the easy players to confusing this patterns o3o
00:10:200 (2,3,1) - This is almost a straight line but the 2 is slightly off and it is triggering me Fixed
00:28:800 (2) - I would Ctrl + G this as-well because 00:27:900 (1) points straight up into the tail Fixed
00:45:900 (3) - Use straightforward and easily understandable slider shapes Nope, it's enough good slider shape.
01:06:300 (3) - ^
01:10:500 (1) - ^
02:27:900 (2) - ^
02:45:300 (3,1) - I don't like overlaps like this in an easy. Not too sure about this one though Well, Why this overlap is patterns really bad?
03:00:375 (1) - Spinner recovery time should be at least 4 beats. 3 is not enough because of the high BPM Fixed

Good luck with mapset!

2zz wrote:
Mwr Prt

02:10:200 (1) - I don't get, music and voice here both or music only. Strong beat on red tick, and that slider little ez to 100s. Same at 02:12:600 (1) and further. hmm i don't think this slider rhythm. I'm a little follow to drumstep feeling here.
Btw it is not very important because of camellia

Other diffs looks clean generally. Idk what else i can provide, so take a star.

thanks for mods ~

Nostalgic_old

597 posts

Joined January 2013

Nostalgic_old 2017-10-16T17:56:50+00:00

hello m4m from your q!

my map: https://osu.ppy.sh/s/637223

哇佬

00:05:100 (1,2,1,2) - I dun rly see the logic behind the spacing. 2 half beat sliders make more sense, or simply reduce their spacing
00:20:700 (1,2,3,4) - 00:21:900 (1,2,3,4) - 01:35:100 (1,2,3,4) - 01:36:300 (1,2,3,4) - why not keeping them consistent with 00:15:900 (1,2,3) - and so?
00:25:350 (4,1) - stack them?
00:46:950 (1,2,1,2,1,2,1,2,1) - i do realize u try to focus on the percussion and i think fast and slow sliders fit better here. or at the very least, there should a spacing contrast between the main vocals and the backing vocals
01:11:400 (2) - slower sv?
01:12:900 (1,2,1) - the sv contrast to 01:13:800 (1) - doesn't feel strong enough imo.
01:24:600 (2,4) - a bit too close, doesn't look nice imo
01:48:525 (4) - 01:54:750 (5) - nc
03:50:700 (1,2,1) - the spacing is a lil confusing. space 03:50:700 (1,2) - further may be a better solution
nice

toybot

00:58:650 (1,2) - stack?
01:11:100 (1,1,2) - slider these sounds like u did here 01:13:800 (2) -?
02:31:950 (2,3) - ~~nazi~~ blanket can be slightly improved only if u want
03:27:600 (5,1,2) - look like a blanket but not?
awesome and neat as always, nothing more to complain

yea i guess thats it. GL

Seolv

847 posts

Joined March 2016

Seolv 2017-10-16T19:38:24+00:00

Sulfur wrote:
Insane
00:11:100 (1,2,3) - Maybe try to use rhythm like this just so u dont skip over this synth (or whatever this thing proper name is) and at the same time percussion at 00:12:000 (4,1,2,3,4) - stand out a bit more I wasn't following the synth though????
00:22:500 (3) - I guess its done for variations purpose but it doesnt really fit here, 3x reverse like at 00:21:300 (3) - fit a lot better it's good imo
00:26:700 (1) - Why lol, just split it into 2 reverse sliders,skipping over snare at 00:27:000 - feels super awkward. If you want to add some variations not trying to hate, just giving advice, I made my concept pretty much clear and that is to follow one line (instrument or vocal), try to understand mapper's intentions cause it helps your mods get better
00:25:500 (1,2) - and 00:26:100 (3,4) - would be a better place for this slider
02:07:500 (1,2) - bro... ?

idk if you meant lukas' insane.
also, to make your mods better don't say 'bro' or sth, that's a big mistake for modding since you want to make your intentions clear not just say one word and no explanation.
I got what you meant by 'bro...' it was cause it wasn't blanketed well but the thing is that the instrument in the bg got more high pitched every slider so I wanted to make that clear through making the sliders with bigger curves each. Again, try get mapper's intentions
no fix, don't need a code

niyuji

529 posts

Joined November 2014

niyuji 2017-10-16T20:40:25+00:00

Hello. From your m4m q.
So here's my map once again: https://osu.ppy.sh/s/682185

Maware Party

00:31:200 (6,7) - sliders don't fit well, try making blanket 00:30:900 (4,7) - so it looks visually pleasing
00:33:900 (1) - not sure tho but I personally would replace this slider with something like: https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/9332061
00:41:700 (5) - consider fixing spacing here - you should emphasize vocals here, not 00:42:000 (6) - which is just a generic kick
00:41:100 (1,5) - if not ^ you could blanket those two
00:53:100 (1,2) - spacing really breaks here
01:42:900 (5) - emphasize here. super quick solution would be - https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/9332133
01:48:600 (5,6,7,8,9,10,11,12,13,1) - blanket??? xd
01:51:300 (4) - would curve a little https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/9332149 so it looks better
01:54:600 (3,4) - different sliders
01:54:750 (4,1) - bad blanket
02:03:900 - you could've mapped stream here - listen closely, it would make it even more interesting when playing
02:09:900 (1,1) - blankets please /btw from now on i won't tell you about blankets, just too many
02:29:100 (1,2) - those stacks on tails are pretty confusing because all that sudden it appears right there where you pretty much expect to be like 02:27:900 (1,2) - these
02:46:200 (3,4,5) - spacing equally here not the best idea imo - moving 02:46:350 (4) - closer to the 02:46:200 (3) - would be the right solution
02:59:100 (1) - not that good, maybe a little prettier? like 03:39:900 (1) -
03:50:700 (1,2,3) - so there's a gap between 03:50:850 (2,3) - you could change something like make 03:50:850 (2) - slider

Walao's Party

00:06:300 (1) -

slideeer

please find something that fits better here. also it's too far
00:13:200 (2,2) - could be blanket here so it looks better
00:21:300 (5) - why not connect the stream to the previous pair of two 00:20:700 (1,3) - as you did 00:05:100 (1,1,1) - here
00:23:100 (1,2) - these are confusing and also inconsistent. you could move them or make as long as 00:24:300 (1,2) -
00:34:200 (3,4,5,6,7) - if you're making decreasing spacing in stream you should consider making it consistent, not just in first 3 00:34:200 (3,4,5) -
00:45:900 (1,3) - too large blanket
00:50:400 (5,1) - same ^
01:00:300 (1,2,4) - check spacing 01:00:300 (1,4) - almost touching
01:11:100 (1,2,1) - I would blanket the slider like https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/9332397
01:37:350 (8,9,1) - too close to 01:37:050 (6) - . move further
02:15:900 (1,2,1) - check visuals, could look better
02:23:100 (1,2) - https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/9332426 maybe that would look better
02:49:950 (3,4,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8) - ouch, the stream looks weird
03:00:000 (1,2,3,4,1) - ??? why
03:05:700 (3,4) - the 03:06:000 (4) - th is placed too far, check 03:09:900 (1,2) - , 03:10:500 (4,5) -
03:14:700 (1) - why not making something like https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/9332455 it would play and look better
03:30:750 (3,4,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8) - this stream is just PERFECT <3 however 03:31:500 (1) - is placed a little too far
03:49:500 (1,1,1) - ? ? ? super weird. i could't understand the meaning "EzR"?

Pretty solid mapset. Good luck guys!

Gloria Guard

2,274 posts

Joined May 2011

Topic Starter

Gloria Guard 2017-10-17T05:26:58+00:00

Nostalgic wrote:
hello m4m from your q!

my map: https://osu.ppy.sh/s/637223

toybot
00:58:650 (1,2) - stack? Hmm i think don't need more stack patterns here. cuz if notes stack a little boring patterns flowm imo
01:11:100 (1,1,2) - slider these sounds like u did here 01:13:800 (2) -? nope, the 3/4 straight sliders is enough good flow. the players can be reading this 3/4 slider rhythm.
02:31:950 (2,3) - ~~nazi~~ blanket can be slightly improved only if u want sure
03:27:600 (5,1,2) - look like a blanket but not? sure
awesome and neat as always, nothing more to complain

yea i guess thats it. GL

niyuji wrote:
Hello. From your m4m q.
So here's my map once again: https://osu.ppy.sh/s/682185

Maware Party
00:31:200 (6,7) - sliders don't fit well, try making blanket 00:30:900 (4,7) - so it looks visually pleasing i just intended to make a visually slider patterns flow here. i don't want consistency patterns flow this.
00:33:900 (1) - not sure tho but I personally would replace this slider with something like: https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/9332061 hmm 1/4 is not bad but this part to need is 1/2 rhythm. also if make a 1/4 slider and note is really break rhythm patterns. i intend to natural rhythm flow here.
00:41:700 (5) - consider fixing spacing here - you should emphasize vocals here, not 00:42:000 (6) - which is just a generic kick I don't make a follow vocal rhythm here. i just to follow drum rhythm this patterns
00:41:100 (1,5) - if not ^ you could blanket those two idk what's mean this suggestion o3o
00:53:100 (1,2) - spacing really breaks here not break this slider flow. this is structure slider flow. and The slider direction is precisely located.
01:42:900 (5) - emphasize here. super quick solution would be - https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/9332133 it's enough good stream shape.
01:48:600 (5,6,7,8,9,10,11,12,13,1) - blanket??? xd
01:51:300 (4) - would curve a little https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/9332149 so it looks better hmm, nice idea but the patterns visually a little break this slider curve suggestion, i intended to make a stratight slider flow.
01:54:600 (3,4) - different sliders ??
01:54:750 (4,1) - bad blanket
02:03:900 - you could've mapped stream here - listen closely, it would make it even more interesting when playing well, not sure this part rhythm to stream rhythm. If someone else raises the issue, I will consider it.
02:09:900 (1,1) - blankets please /btw from now on i won't tell you about blankets, just too many
02:29:100 (1,2) - those stacks on tails are pretty confusing because all that sudden it appears right there where you pretty much expect to be like 02:27:900 (1,2) - these sure
02:46:200 (3,4,5) - spacing equally here not the best idea imo - moving 02:46:350 (4) - closer to the 02:46:200 (3) - would be the right solution idk why is problem this patterns spacing. the players will not care
02:59:100 (1) - not that good, maybe a little prettier? like 03:39:900 (1) - it's good i think
03:50:700 (1,2,3) - so there's a gap between 03:50:850 (2,3) - you could change something like make 03:50:850 (2) - slider Nope if put the point sliders the spinner start point a little late.

Pretty solid mapset. Good luck guys!

thanks for mods !

Dubturt

508 posts

Joined March 2015

Dubturt 2017-10-17T09:57:30+00:00

hi m4m

easy

this diff some blankets can be improved like 00:08:700 (1,2), 00:46:800 (4,1), 00:48:300 (3,1) and so on ye, i wont mention all
it would be nice if 00:47:100 (1,3) - were on the same y axis
01:10:500 (1) - this slider shape might be too complex for noobs? idk maybe
01:57:900 (1) - ^
02:14:700 (1,3) - make symmetrical?
ye i like the aesthetics here

normal

00:18:300 (1) - hard slider shape?
01:00:300 (4,5,6) - movement feels weird for me
very well made diff

hard

00:45:000 (2,1) - not fully stacked, maybe editor bug
01:08:400 (4,1) - point of exit (4) seems unnatural to follow, well for me
02:27:900 (1,2) - could fix overlap a bit
02:54:300 (1,2,3) - nice symmetry

insane

00:12:900 (3,4) - would be nice if the same overlap distance with 00:12:300 (1,2)
00:28:800 (7) - same spacing with other repeating sliders?
00:30:900 (3,4) - about these kinds of beat placements (white tick to blue) it could cause confusion for players thing that 00:31:125 (4) - would land on a red tick even if spacing is large enough (its insane diff so ye) i dont know, up to you if you want to do something about this (applies to similar parts)
01:48:600 (2,1) - idk about this overlap

sorry i cant mod extra diffs atm >~<

nice set (big fan of toybot diff)
gl G.G

Gloria Guard

2,274 posts

Joined May 2011

Topic Starter

Gloria Guard 2017-10-17T12:58:56+00:00

Dubturt wrote:
hi m4m

easy
this diff some blankets can be improved like 00:08:700 (1,2), 00:46:800 (4,1), 00:48:300 (3,1) and so on ye, i wont mention all sure
it would be nice if 00:47:100 (1,3) - were on the same y axis sure
01:10:500 (1) - this slider shape might be too complex for noobs? idk maybe i think it's find
01:57:900 (1) - ^
02:14:700 (1,3) - make symmetrical?
ye i like the aesthetics here

normal
00:18:300 (1) - hard slider shape? nope it's just structure slider.
01:00:300 (4,5,6) - movement feels weird for me well, it's slider to play is fine.
very well made diff

sorry i cant mod extra diffs atm >~<

nice set (big fan of toybot diff)
gl G.G

thanks for mod~

Izzeee

183 posts

Joined June 2016

Izzeee 2017-10-17T14:30:11+00:00

hello m4m (love this song btw)

Lukas' Insane

00:11:100 (1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4) - This kind of seems like you made it go one way and just switched the objects around in the timeline, in my opinion, switch 00:11:700 (3,4) - and 00:12:300 (1,2) -

00:50:100 (3,4) - weird distance snapping

01:30:300 (1,2,3,1,2,3,1,2,3,4,5,6,1,2,3) - this is just copied and pasted from 00:15:900 (1,2,3,1,2,3,1,2,3,4,5,6,1,2,3) - (actually the entire buildup is basically a copy and paste and 03:41:100 (1,2,3,1,2,3,1,2,3,4,5,6,1,2,3) - is just flipped horizontally.)

Namki

1,281 posts

Joined November 2014

Namki 2017-10-17T19:14:41+00:00

herou

[Easy]

Some of the patterns look pretty inaccurate. 00:27:900 (1,2) - / 00:36:300 (3) - / 00:46:800 (4,1) - etc. maybe try to make them a bit, um, "smoother"? And these blankets. Ye.
00:45:900 (3) - path does not seem fittable for an easy diff so far. Newbies would release slider somewhere like 00:46:275 - here. 01:06:300 (3) - same, ye.
00:48:300 (3,1,2) - flow leads from 00:48:300 (3) - directly to 00:50:100 (2) - so players would skip that circle 00:49:800 (1) - , I would recommend you to make flow more clean and linear there. 02:21:900 (1,2,3) - same.
01:03:900 (1,2,1) - pretty the same but one more thing to be mentioned. They do not seem appropriate in sake of emphasizing the music, there's nothing exuding in song, so keeping slider's shape less curve would be nicer to play as for me.
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Okay, the main thing which concern me I've already mentioned, so they repeat several times there, consider change stuff.

[Normal]

01:07:500 (5,1) - sound kinda weird. The beats are 01:07:650 - and 01:07:950 - but they're unclickable here. So I thought you're mapping vocals, but vocals are from 01:07:500 - til 01:07:950 - so deviding it to a circle and a 1/2 slider makes less sense than making just a big slider. Consider putting it 01:07:800 (1) - by 1/2 backwards and increase it to 1/1 slider, instead. Sound pretty as for me. 02:37:500 (1,2) - the same, ye.
Something like this.
00:05:100 (1,2,3) - forgot to mention but I think it's better to make it more straighter.

[Lukas' Insane]

00:28:800 (7) - I would like to see NC here to emphasis this 1/8. Also music does change.
00:38:850 (2,3,4,5,6,7,8) - honestly, that stacked stream does not look pretty as for me. Try something like that.
The same goes to 02:08:850 (2,3,4,5,6,7,8) - .
Also 02:09:300 (8,9,10,11) - spacing is higher than 00:39:300 (8,9,10,11) - which sorta doesn't make much sense so far. Make it like less or more the same.
00:56:100 (1,2,3,4,1) - nazi but this isn't a fine linear flow, make it more smoother idk.
01:06:000 (3,1,2,3,4) - NCing seems pretty senseless for me, there are some vocals here 01:06:000 - / 01:06:600 - / 01:07:200 - so it seems logical to put NC there to emphasis stuff.
01:10:500 (3,4,5,6,7) - reverse arrow isn't visible, it is 100% unrankable.
Btw ye the second half is copypaste of the fist half huh. So consider watch over the whole diff and fix the things above if u find them appropriate.

[toybot's]

00:15:000 (2,1) - sounds kinda weird. These 1/4 bells aren't really prominent but if we take them to map it would look like this. Because this sound takes 3/1 of the measure without skipping a beat.
00:22:800 (1,2,3) - mind explaning why did you emphasis that with NC. RN it seems more fittable something like having 00:22:800 (1) - without NC and 00:22:950 (2) - NC here instead of 00:23:100 (1) - . Here as well 01:37:200 (1,2,3) - .
00:39:450 (1,2,3) - minor. Looks quite boring, isn't it? Maybe try to make something non-stacked, instead.
02:23:850 (2) - that clappy sound is perfectly suitable for a kick-slider! Don't you think so?
03:46:800 (1) - mhm.
Ye, the rest is just perfect.

[Maware Party]

I am pretty sure you can use custom names for the highest diff only.
As far as I can judge, the rhythm emphasis lacks. For example, if I take the kiai and that chorus part (from here 00:39:900 - ) I can see that the rhythm is more or less the same density, which isn't pretty the best thing to do with this kind of songs. That's not really what I would concern from player's side but it is so wrong mapping-wise. No really concrete timestamp, I just think you have to nerf that non-kiai dense parts by removing some of kick-sliders, because they seem a bit too overused right now.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
That's it for this diff. It looks super cute, I like this sort of so-called "wub-mapping".

Will skip Walao's diff since I don't like the entire of it and I have no time and no desire to write a bunch of things. Sorry, sorry.
hope to see it ranked soon, it's decent
gl♥

Gloria Guard

2,274 posts

Joined May 2011

Topic Starter

Gloria Guard 2017-10-18T05:39:21+00:00

Namki wrote:
herou

[Easy]
Some of the patterns look pretty inaccurate. 00:27:900 (1,2) - / 00:36:300 (3) - / 00:46:800 (4,1) - etc. maybe try to make them a bit, um, "smoother"? And these blankets. Ye. first second suggestion fixed but 00:46:800 (4,1) is enough better.
00:45:900 (3) - path does not seem fittable for an easy diff so far. Newbies would release slider somewhere like 00:46:275 - here. 01:06:300 (3) - same, ye. it's just slider shape, The beginner players don't care this slider shape. and if this slider is really can't play, it's structure slider or dirty sliders yet.
00:48:300 (3,1,2) - flow leads from 00:48:300 (3) - directly to 00:50:100 (2) - so players would skip that circle 00:49:800 (1) - , I would recommend you to make flow more clean and linear there. 02:21:900 (1,2,3) - same. keep, it minor slider shape problem.
01:03:900 (1,2,1) - pretty the same but one more thing to be mentioned. They do not seem appropriate in sake of emphasizing the music, there's nothing exuding in song, so keeping slider's shape less curve would be nicer to play as for me. It would be rather easier. and this slider too easy shape i think
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Okay, the main thing which concern me I've already mentioned, so they repeat several times there, consider change stuff.
[Normal]
01:07:500 (5,1) - sound kinda weird. The beats are 01:07:650 - and 01:07:950 - but they're unclickable here. So I thought you're mapping vocals, but vocals are from 01:07:500 - til 01:07:950 - so deviding it to a circle and a 1/2 slider makes less sense than making just a big slider. Consider putting it 01:07:800 (1) - by 1/2 backwards and increase it to 1/1 slider, instead. Sound pretty as for me. 02:37:500 (1,2) - the same, ye. Nice catch this part rhythms problem lol Fixed
Something like this.
00:05:100 (1,2,3) - forgot to mention but I think it's better to make it more straighter.
Keep, it enough good

[toybot's]
00:15:000 (2,1) - sounds kinda weird. These 1/4 bells aren't really prominent but if we take them to map it would look like Well, I think they have skilled skills and can fully understand the intent of the rhythm. and Most players who play this difficulty have many players with high rankingsthis. Because this sound takes 3/1 of the measure without skipping a beat.
00:22:800 (1,2,3) - mind explaning why did you emphasis that with NC. RN it seems more fittable something like having 00:22:800 (1) - without NC and 00:22:950 (2) - NC here instead of 00:23:100 (1) - . Here as well 01:37:200 (1,2,3) - . Remove NCs
00:39:450 (1,2,3) - minor. Looks quite boring, isn't it? Maybe try to make something non-stacked, instead. you're right, but the only this part is boring and The expression of rhythm and music is not a problem
02:23:850 (2) - that clappy sound is perfectly suitable for a kick-slider! Don't you think so? The part is another intended rhythm here
03:46:800 (1) - mhm. k
Ye, the rest is just perfect.
[Maware Party]
I am pretty sure you can use custom names for the highest diff only.
As far as I can judge, the rhythm emphasis lacks. For example, if I take the kiai and that chorus part (from here 00:39:900 - ) I can see that the rhythm is more or less the same density, which isn't pretty the best thing to do with this kind of songs. That's not really what I would concern from player's side but it is so wrong mapping-wise. No really concrete timestamp, I just think you have to nerf that non-kiai dense parts by removing some of kick-sliders, because they seem a bit too overused right now. I can't express all the rhythms that exist in this song. because this song has a lot of consistent rhythms. Also, if the create a different rhythm by ignoring the consistent rhythm, it can confuse the player when reading the pattern rhythm. and I think it is more important to choose the correct and appropriate rhythm for the song and to give the player fun. We are a person who provides a fun map to the player. Because the mapper is asking for his ingenuity and making the map is only self-satisfied.
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That's it for this diff. It looks super cute, I like this sort of so-called "wub-mapping".
Will skip Walao's diff since I don't like the entire of it and I have no time and no desire to write a bunch of things. Sorry, sorry.
hope to see it ranked soon, it's decent
gl♥

Thanks for mods and star !

Gloria Guard

2,274 posts

Joined May 2011

Topic Starter

Gloria Guard 2017-10-18T06:10:05+00:00

WTF Why i do always have to modify another map? lol

btw I got permission from this difficulty maker

Sulfur wrote:
I saw u looking for mods on this one

Hard
Why is this diff have stack leniency 2 jeez, make it like 6 or at least 5 idk Fixed
00:44:250 (4) - Maybe note and 2x reverse just so u have this snare at 00:44:400 - clickable Fixed another clickable patterns.
01:02:400 (3,2,3) - NC those two to indicate different snapping maybe. Same with 03:09:000 (2,3,4) - etc nope, this patterns is consistency NCs and rhythm patterns.
01:24:300 (1,2) - It's not really clear what you want to follow with those, maybe you could two 1/2 sliders instead of those, this way u can make both vocal and percussion clickable at 01:24:600 - keep, just minor shape suggestion ;w;

Dubturt wrote:
hard
00:45:000 (2,1) - not fully stacked, maybe editor bug yeah what's problem it?
01:08:400 (4,1) - point of exit (4) seems unnatural to follow, well for me i don't know, what's problem this.
02:27:900 (1,2) - could fix overlap a bit it's fine
02:54:300 (1,2,3) - nice symmetry

thanks for mods

walaowey

952 posts

Joined March 2012

walaowey 2017-10-18T12:51:15+00:00

2zz

2zz wrote:
Wlo Prt

01:48:975 (2,3,4,5) - too overspacive. No kiai, no stronger sounds then nearby, so no reasons for it. i'll think about this, this is playable,
and its suitable with the gradually increasing beat of that part ><
02:36:300 (1) - downscale for 10-15% maybe? Too high relative to the rest of map what do you mean by downscale here? volume?
01:34:800 (1) and 03:49:500 (1,1,1) - pretty ugly
01:34:800 (1) did something
03:49:500 (1,1,1) haha just wanted to make "Ma Za Re" i'l see what i can do here
Other diffs looks clean generally. Idk what else i can provide, so take a star.

Thanks for the mod xD

Nostalgic

Nostalgic wrote:
hello m4m from your q!

my map: https://osu.ppy.sh/s/637223

00:05:100 (1,2,1,2) - I dun rly see the logic behind the spacing. 2 half beat sliders make more sense, or simply reduce their spacing okie
00:20:700 (1,2,3,4) - 00:21:900 (1,2,3,4) - 01:35:100 (1,2,3,4) - 01:36:300 (1,2,3,4) - why not keeping them consistent with 00:15:900 (1,2,3) - and so? the beat had changed here, i heard every tick there have sounds ><
00:25:350 (4,1) - stack them? i think space out is better here
00:46:950 (1,2,1,2,1,2,1,2,1) - i do realize u try to focus on the percussion and i think fast and slow sliders fit better here. or at the very least, there should a spacing contrast between the main vocals and the backing vocals their beats are prety similar here, i've already use different jump directions and patterns to shows their difference. it looks fine for me ><
01:11:400 (2) - slower sv? that "hai" sound should be emphasize imo
01:12:900 (1,2,1) - the sv contrast to 01:13:800 (1) - doesn't feel strong enough imo. yea you're right, i felt it too, ok changed
01:24:600 (2,4) - a bit too close, doesn't look nice imo fixed
01:48:525 (4) i'll keep the nc here, want to keep them consistent with my other streams, 4 spaced nc and then 8 stream nc- 01:54:750 (5) - nc
03:50:700 (1,2,1) - the spacing is a lil confusing. space 03:50:700 (1,2) - further may be a better solution they're all in the same snapping tho, 1/2, should not be a problem imo, will see what others say about this
nice

yea i guess thats it. GL

Thanks for the mod xD

niyuji

niyuji wrote:
Hello. From your m4m q.
So here's my map once again: https://osu.ppy.sh/s/682185

00:06:300 (1) - slideeer please find something that fits better here. also it's too far the gradually increasing beat here is fine with the spacing imo.
00:13:200 (2,2) - could be blanket here so it looks better fixed
00:21:300 (5) - why not connect the stream to the previous pair of two 00:20:700 (1,3) - as you did 00:05:100 (1,1,1) - here but they're no beat there ><
00:23:100 (1,2) - these are confusing and also inconsistent. you could move them or make as long as 00:24:300 (1,2) - oh man, thanks for noticing this, didnt notice it >< fixed
00:34:200 (3,4,5,6,7) - if you're making decreasing spacing in stream you should consider making it consistent, not just in first 3 00:34:200 (3,4,5) - opss fixed
00:45:900 (1,3) - too large blanket i dont see any problem with large blanket ><
00:50:400 (5,1) - same ^ ^
01:00:300 (1,2,4) - check spacing 01:00:300 (1,4) - almost touching fixed, changed CS earlier, probably bcoz of that they overlaped
01:11:100 (1,2,1) - I would blanket the slider like https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/9332397 fixed
01:37:350 (8,9,1) - too close to 01:37:050 (6) - . move further they appear to be quite far apart for me tho
02:15:900 (1,2,1) - check visuals, could look better i tried to change it, maybe next time u can include some suggestion too, it will be better
02:23:100 (1,2) - https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/9332426 maybe that would look better nice, fixed
02:49:950 (3,4,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8) - ouch, the stream looks weird opss fixed
03:00:000 (1,2,3,4,1) - ??? why 03:00:000 (1,2,3,4,1) - the beats are gradually increasing there. especially the last beat at 03:00:300 (1) -
wanted to emphasize it
03:05:700 (3,4) - the 03:06:000 (4) - th is placed too far, check 03:09:900 (1,2) - , 03:10:500 (4,5) - opss fixed
03:14:700 (1) - why not making something like https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/9332455 it would play and look better 03:14:700 (1) - wanted to have "a small" jump here xP, and i dont want the slider body to overlap with 03:14:400 (1,2,3) - , they're still there when the sliderbody started to appear, its hard to read imo ><
03:30:750 (3,4,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8) - this stream is just PERFECT <3 however 03:31:500 (1) - is placed a little too far opss ya, fixed
03:49:500 (1,1,1) - ? ? ? super weird. i could't understand the meaning "EzR"? its MzR XDD, that M i try to make it more flowy, but i'll rotate it abit to make it more like a M

Pretty solid mapset. Good luck guys!

Thanks for the mod xD

update - https://puu.sh/y161Q/d91f52821f.osu

timemon

Beatmap Nominator

1,307 posts

Joined November 2012

timemon 2017-10-23T04:44:33+00:00

waifu2x your bg then resize it to 1080p? I think it will look better for those with bigger resolution monitor.

[Maware Party]
00:31:200 (6,7) - I only saw you did this curved 1/4 sliders a few time at the start, 95% or more are straight 1/4. I think making it straight here too will make it look consistent and better because it will be parallel to the 00:30:900 (4) - slider. Like this I guess 00:33:600 (6,7,1) -

01:19:650 (2) - move this up a bit, because I dont see you overlap notes visually often

01:36:300 (1,2,3) - why doesn't repeat what 01:35:100 (1,2,3,4,5) - does? the music is very similar in sound but you map it like 01:33:900 (1,2,3) - instead
same for 03:47:100 (1,2,3) - and 00:21:900 (1,2,3) - ^

02:20:700 (1) - I think this type of sliders only look good when it's vertical or horizonal. this is like a mix between the two and it looks weird

Hello Walao were you playing taiko with that time line zoom?

[Toybot's Extra]
03:17:100 - what

nice map tho

GL

Bokkie

276 posts

Joined June 2014

Bokkie 2017-10-24T14:24:47+00:00

Heya!
M4M from my queue

[Easy]

00:32:700 (1) - if you ctrl+G this, you'll see the left side goes out by 16px
00:45:600 (2) - move it slightly down to make bettere blanket with 00:45:900 (3) -
01:23:100 (1) - this one goes out by 8px, move it a bit to the right
03:22:200 - and 03:23:400 - no point in having green lines there

[Normal]

00:56:550 (4) - move it slightly to the left to make a straight line with other 2 objects (x:158 y:234 should be good)
03:12:000 - you should make this note clickable to keep it consistent with 03:12:600 (2,3) -
03:55:500 - I'd end the spinner here

[NeoSL's Hard]

00:05:325 - and 00:05:625 - no reason to put green lines there
00:31:050 (4) - since this one has slightly different sound, I'd make it stand out a bit; even something simple like reverse arrow on the other side would be good imo (same for 00:33:450 (4) - )
01:11:325 - change volume of sliderend to 5% like you did with 01:14:025 - (do the same for 01:12:525 - )
01:27:300 (1) - take NC off
01:42:300 (1,2) - you use stacking for 1/2 here and 01:43:500 (1,2) - for 1/1 here; this might be confusing for some players so I'd recommend to make it easier to spot the difference in rhythm
02:36:300 (1) - make this slider "wiggly" too to match other "Nanahira" sliders lol

[Lukas' Insane]

00:26:700 (1) - change the slidershape so it's easier to catch out it's different than others (in terms of duration)
00:33:900 (1,2) - first of, change stack leniency so 1/2 objects stack; previously you use stacking for 1/4 doubles, since this one is 1/2 I'd recommend to unstack it
00:35:925 (4,5) - other doubles are stacked, what's different about this one?
00:50:100 (3,4,5) - why don't you make it the same as 00:52:500 (3,4,5,6) - ?
01:28:125 - greenlines?
01:30:300 - I get it, the same part as in the intro but literally copypasting it? cmonBruh
01:42:300 (3) - NC or different slidershapes to make it clear there's difference in duration
03:41:100 - at least you ctrl+H'ed it this time xd

[toybot's Extra]

00:05:400 (1) - why NC'ed here?
00:27:450 (2) - feels kinda off; move it down to match 00:26:700 (1,2,3) - and get better flow
00:39:450 - consider rising stack leniency to 3 so the 1/2 circles like this get stacked and make HD less painful to read
02:09:300 (1,2,1,2) - I don't think there's a need for a jump like 02:09:600 (1,2) - since all four notes are the same; I'd do the same thing as 00:39:300 (8,1,2,3) -
02:13:500 (1,2) - I'd make them sliders instead
02:42:300 (1) - I feel like you should emphasize this note with a jump (same goes for 03:23:100 (1) - )
Very aesthetically pleasing diff imo. That was really fun to play

[Maware Party]

00:08:100 (2) - NC to match 00:06:900 (1,2) -
00:56:700 (1,2) - stack it with 00:55:800 (3) - to avoid the overlap
01:01:950 (4) - move it to x:247 y:320 (something like that) to make a staright line with 01:02:100 (5) -
01:06:600 (2,3) - and 01:07:200 (5,6) - use either 1/4 slider and a circle or two 1/4 sliders to make it consistent as they represent the same sounds
01:51:300 (4,5) - isn't that a bit too much of a jump?
03:05:550 (2) - I'd move it either up or down by a bit; linear movement seems weird here imo
03:45:300 (3) - move this bellow 03:45:900 (1) - for better emphasis
I love your style. Please teach me how to map .w.

[Afterword]
Cool mapset. Few diffs had unnecessary green lines. Consider rechecking and deleting those you don't really need to keep all the diffs clean.
Good luck!

Affirmation

2,548 posts

Joined March 2015

Affirmation 2017-11-01T16:52:51+00:00

Catshy wrote:
[NeoSL's Hard]
00:05:325 - and 00:05:625 - no reason to put green lines thereCopied hitsounds, and unused Greenline isn't unrankable
00:31:050 (4) - since this one has slightly different sound, I'd make it stand out a bit; even something simple like reverse arrow on the other side would be good imo (same for 00:33:450 (4) - )wanna set same sound
01:11:325 - change volume of sliderend to 5% like you did with 01:14:025 - (do the same for 01:12:525 - )I think current pattern is okay enough
01:27:300 (1) - take NC off
01:42:300 (1,2) - you use stacking for 1/2 here and 01:43:500 (1,2) - for 1/1 here; this might be confusing for some players so I'd recommend to make it easier to spot the difference in rhythmreading doesn't matter AT ALL
02:36:300 (1) - make this slider "wiggly" too to match other "Nanahira" sliders lolwell...tbh I don't know about the artist, and this is too monor so don't need to be fixed.

No reply=fixed
Thanks

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Gloria Guard

2,274 posts

Joined May 2011

Topic Starter

Gloria Guard 2017-11-08T07:22:59+00:00

Catshy wrote:
Heya!
M4M from my queue

[Easy]
00:32:700 (1) - if you ctrl+G this, you'll see the left side goes out by 16px Don't need Ctrl+G here.. cuz the make so big jump patterns.
00:45:600 (2) - move it slightly down to make bettere blanket with 00:45:900 (3) - fixed
01:23:100 (1) - this one goes out by 8px, move it a bit to the right Same.
03:22:200 - and 03:23:400 - no point in having green lines there it's minor problem, and the green line isn't problem with players
[Normal]
00:56:550 (4) - move it slightly to the left to make a straight line with other 2 objects (x:158 y:234 should be good) Fixed
03:12:000 - you should make this note clickable to keep it consistent with 03:12:600 (2,3) - No, i'm a little the other to make this rhythm patterns.
03:55:500 - I'd end the spinner here why?
[toybot's Extra]
00:05:400 (1) - why NC'ed here? it's 3/4 rhythm empahsized.
00:27:450 (2) - feels kinda off; move it down to match 00:26:700 (1,2,3) - and get better flow Umm, i don't think the player problem this.
00:39:450 - consider rising stack leniency to 3 so the 1/2 circles like this get stacked and make HD less painful to read Fixed
02:09:300 (1,2,1,2) - I don't think there's a need for a jump like 02:09:600 (1,2) - since all four notes are the same; I'd do the same thing as 00:39:300 (8,1,2,3) - Some changed jump patterns flow
02:13:500 (1,2) - I'd make them sliders instead it's spread problem yet
02:42:300 (1) - I feel like you should emphasize this note with a jump (same goes for 03:23:100 (1) - ) it's find i think :3
Very aesthetically pleasing diff imo. That was really fun to play
[Maware Party]
00:08:100 (2) - NC to match 00:06:900 (1,2) - Fixed
00:56:700 (1,2) - stack it with 00:55:800 (3) - to avoid the overlap Well, the editor screen play screen is different and a little delay this overlap patterns.
01:01:950 (4) - move it to x:247 y:320 (something like that) to make a staright line with 01:02:100 (5) - Fixed
01:06:600 (2,3) - and 01:07:200 (5,6) - use either 1/4 slider and a circle or two 1/4 sliders to make it consistent as they represent the same sounds Changed
01:51:300 (4,5) - isn't that a bit too much of a jump? ?w?
03:05:550 (2) - I'd move it either up or down by a bit; linear movement seems weird here imo well, it's enough good flow here.
03:45:300 (3) - move this bellow 03:45:900 (1) - for better emphasis Fixed
I love your style. Please teach me how to map .w.

[Afterword]
Cool mapset. Few diffs had unnecessary green lines. Consider rechecking and deleting those you don't really need to keep all the diffs clean.
Good luck!

Thanks for mods !

Seolv

847 posts

Joined March 2016

Seolv 2017-11-08T12:11:28+00:00

applied most things but when replying my post failed to send cause internet so I don't want to do it again

fix

osu file format v14

[General]
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AudioLeadIn: 0
PreviewTime: 70500
Countdown: 0
SampleSet: Soft
StackLeniency: 0.2
Mode: 0
LetterboxInBreaks: 0
WidescreenStoryboard: 1

[Editor]
Bookmarks: 2284,15859,30259,49459,71059,90259,110659,129859,149059,170659,197059,197134,197209,197284,197359,197434,197509,197584,197659,197734,197809,197884,197959,198034,198109,198184,198259,198334,198409,198484,198559,198634,198709,198784,198859,198934,199009,199084,199159,199234,199309,199384,199459,199534,199609,199684,199759,199834,199909,199984,200059,200134,200209,200284,200359,200434,200509,200584,200659,221059,239059
DistanceSpacing: 1.4
BeatDivisor: 4
GridSize: 32
TimelineZoom: 2.200001

[Metadata]
Title:Mazare Party
TitleUnicode:Mazare Party
Artist:Camellia feat. kradness, Nanahira and yukacco
ArtistUnicode:Camellia feat. kradness, Nanahira and yukacco
Creator:IntellectualBoy
Version:Lukas' Insane
Source:
Tags:toybot walaowey Neoskylove [ L u k a s ]oriental trap jcore utaite
BeatmapID:1416924
BeatmapSetID:667868

[Difficulty]
HPDrainRate:6
CircleSize:4
OverallDifficulty:8
ApproachRate:9
SliderMultiplier:1.5
SliderTickRate:1

[Events]
//Background and Video events
0,0,"Mazare.jpg",0,0
//Break Periods
2,183500,196500
//Storyboard Layer 0 (Background)
//Storyboard Layer 1 (Fail)
//Storyboard Layer 2 (Pass)
//Storyboard Layer 3 (Foreground)
//Storyboard Sound Samples

[TimingPoints]
300,300,4,2,1,30,1,0
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51,134,152400,2,0,P|79:127|110:127,1,56.2500021457673
205,174,152700,5,0,0:0:0:0:
205,174,152850,2,0,L|214:239,1,56.2500021457673
300,274,153150,1,0,0:0:0:0:
300,274,153300,2,0,L|307:218,1,56.2500021457673
355,118,153600,2,0,L|346:28,1,84.3750032186509
312,16,153900,6,0,P|240:-10|136:9,1,168.750006437302
176,76,154500,2,0,P|180:117|169:158,1,84.3750032186509
96,172,154800,2,0,P|113:215|130:230,1,56.2500021457673
168,284,155100,6,0,P|210:272|318:328,1,168.750006437302
388,356,155700,2,0,B|404:320|404:320|385:279,1,84.3750032186509
404,196,156000,2,0,B|377:187|377:187|350:194,1,56.2500021457673
248,236,156300,5,0,0:0:0:0:
405,115,156600,2,0,B|378:106|378:106|351:113,1,56.2500021457673
248,236,156900,1,0,0:0:0:0:
420,32,157200,2,0,B|393:23|393:23|366:30,1,56.2500021457673
248,236,157500,1,0,0:0:0:0:
248,236,157650,2,0,L|255:296,1,56.2500021457673
332,288,157950,1,0,0:0:0:0:
332,288,158100,2,0,L|338:232,1,56.2500021457673
328,80,158400,2,0,P|280:92|236:60,1,84.3750032186509
240,76,158700,6,0,B|280:157|211:194|254:266,1,196.875007510186
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342,194,159600,2,0,L|394:206,2,37.5000014305115
140,142,159900,5,0,0:0:0:0:
312,384,160200,1,0,0:0:0:0:
485,78,160500,1,0,0:0:0:0:
485,78,160575,1,0,0:0:0:0:
485,78,160650,1,0,0:0:0:0:
485,78,160725,1,0,0:0:0:0:
485,78,160800,2,0,L|449:74,3,24.749999924469
381,58,161100,5,0,0:0:0:0:
45,199,161400,2,0,L|49:290,1,75
48,273,162300,5,0,0:0:0:0:
218,131,162600,2,0,L|215:57,1,75
460,360,163800,6,0,L|444:240,1,120
420,12,164400,1,0,0:0:0:0:
228,176,164700,6,0,P|196:204|136:212,1,75
136,204,164925,1,0,0:0:0:0:
136,204,165000,2,0,L|144:292,1,75
142,278,165225,1,0,0:0:0:0:
142,278,165300,1,0,0:0:0:0:
248,292,165450,1,0,0:0:0:0:
352,272,165600,1,0,0:0:0:0:
452,300,165750,1,0,0:0:0:0:
320,349,165900,6,0,P|288:329|251:321,1,75
176,220,166200,2,0,P|207:200|244:192,1,75
345,180,166499,2,0,P|320:130|331:76,1,112.5
358,0,166801,2,0,P|342:33|310:51,1,75
207,71,167100,6,0,P|207:108|218:144,1,75
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330,360,167698,2,0,P|361:314|414:303,1,112.5
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408,220,168300,5,0,0:0:0:0:
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408,220,168900,1,0,0:0:0:0:
336,144,169050,1,0,0:0:0:0:
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484,204,169500,6,0,P|492:152|480:108,1,75
331,70,169800,2,0,P|327:107|335:143,1,75
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328,264,170400,2,0,L|264:260,2,50
412,200,170700,6,0,B|424:140|424:140|404:64,1,112.5
311,39,171000,2,0,P|259:31|227:35,1,75
222,160,171300,2,0,P|258:167|296:165,1,75
269,29,171600,2,0,P|217:35|187:47,1,75
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210,181,172500,2,0,P|245:169|277:148,1,75
96,134,172800,1,0,0:0:0:0:
139,293,172950,1,0,0:0:0:0:
5,348,173100,6,0,L|12:235,1,112.5
33,95,173400,2,0,P|60:120|95:133,1,75
219,60,173700,6,0,L|211:172,1,112.5
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16,350,174300,5,0,0:0:0:0:
52,250,174450,1,0,0:0:0:0:
113,360,174600,1,0,0:0:0:0:
16,350,174750,1,0,0:0:0:0:
52,250,174900,2,0,P|40:214|40:177,1,75
128,39,175201,2,0,P|128:76|116:111,1,75
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308,247,175800,2,0,L|304:321,1,75
422,347,176100,6,0,L|425:234,1,112.5
416,129,176400,2,0,P|380:140|343:142,1,75
175,56,176700,6,0,P|230:47|283:64,1,112.5
342,141,177000,2,0,L|331:215,1,75
169,243,177300,2,0,P|96:250|46:303,1,150
142,339,177750,1,0,0:0:0:0:
126,125,177900,5,0,0:0:0:0:
221,240,180150,5,0,0:0:0:0:
200,79,180300,1,0,0:0:0:0:
256,192,180375,12,0,183300,0:0:0:0:
342,325,197100,6,0,B|371:281|379:210|343:153|343:153|338:211|324:241,1,262.5
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22,283,199500,2,0,B|41:230|26:149|26:149|49:186|109:185,1,225
390,48,200700,5,0,0:0:0:0:
112,34,201000,1,0,0:0:0:0:
304,225,201300,1,0,0:0:0:0:
304,225,201375,1,0,0:0:0:0:
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304,225,201525,1,0,0:0:0:0:
304,225,201600,1,0,0:0:0:0:
304,225,201675,1,0,0:0:0:0:
304,225,201750,2,0,L|287:253,1,24.749999924469
168,354,201900,6,0,P|147:311|151:235,1,112.5
201,246,202200,2,0,P|200:298|212:328,1,75
305,360,202500,1,0,0:0:0:0:
305,360,202800,1,0,0:0:0:0:
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226,67,205200,1,0,0:0:0:0:
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381,140,205725,1,0,0:0:0:0:
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227,183,206100,1,0,0:0:0:0:
236,58,206250,1,0,0:0:0:0:
108,101,206400,1,0,0:0:0:0:
117,226,206550,1,0,0:0:0:0:
320,349,206700,6,0,P|288:329|251:321,1,75
185,266,207000,2,0,P|216:246|253:238,1,75
405,349,207299,2,0,P|380:299|391:245,1,112.5
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418,157,209100,5,0,0:0:0:0:
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109,190,212700,2,0,P|146:188|182:176,1,75
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226,292,215550,1,0,0:0:0:0:
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MaridiuS

879 posts

Joined June 2014

MaridiuS 2017-11-12T01:56:10+00:00

Hey. Pointing out some bigger stuff first.

[General]
The following hitsounds appear to have a delay over 5ms. It is advised to avoid such delays to provide better feedback to the player and synchronization with the map. You can delete excess silence on programs such as Audacity.

soft-hitnormal88.wav
soft-hitclap16.wav

[Extra difficulties xd]
Within top 3 difficulties one of main concerns is that neither have a noticeable contrast between these two sections 01:50:700 - to 01:59:100 - from 02:00:300 - to 02:08:700 - . I feel the change in the song strongly since the second part of the section has louder background noise and added snares on every red tick. Those red ticks snares highly suggest an increase of rhythmical density in the song, and so should the map represent that. Although since in top difficulty it isn't really possible to emphasize it with rhythmical density since both sections are fully loaded on that, I will get to the difficulty to talk suggestions about that personally.

[L u k a s]

Man resnap the sliderends lol.

[Toybot]

00:29:100 - to 00:39:900 - The rhythm is way too dense compared to anything else in the map. I think this is a bit unnecessary to be this hard, since the section isn't much more important than othres, 01:50:700 - to 02:08:700 - is also an ideal option in which you can go mass circles. So in order to tone it down a bit, firstly, 00:29:100 (1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,1) - could you not make the rhythmically dense section have a precircle spam right before it. By it having a pre-section start being this dense, the emphasis and change of section won't be felt as strongly. I could suggest to make 00:29:700 (1,3) - into sliders to follow vocals.
In the section there is some space for 1/2 sliders instead of 2 circles like 00:31:200 (4) - 00:33:600 (4) - and especially 00:32:400 (3) - which if made a slider will give bigger impact to the following unique pattern since the difference of intensity will be more felt.
Another option would be to make some triples into a 1/4 slider reversed once.

[Maware party]
If there is no logical buildup of difficulty names, unique names are only to be used on the highest star rated map in the mapset . Therefore this should be renamed to something on the lines of Extra / Expert . Generally with this difficulty I've noticed that weaker sections still preserve some big spacing, which could somewhat ruin the contrast, as some of the jumps are as big as kiai section jumps.

01:00:300 (1,2,3,4,5) - Referring to jumps such as these. Even if the vocals are impactful, they're not really more impactful than on more important sections. Further more, they're not backed up by synth / drums or background noice which add to the intensity of the particular notes. I believe a more reasonable choice would be to do some stacking gimmicks or linear / circular low spaced flow. Examples : overlaps stacks with small jumps circular. Such choices would complement the song more since it will benefit the element of lower intensity of this certain section.
01:05:100 (1,2,3,4,5) - 02:30:300 (1,2,3,4,5) - 02:35:100 (1,2,3,4,5) - 03:06:300 (1,2,3,4,5) - 03:11:100 (1,2,3,4,5) - Applies to all of these. In case you come up with argument "but it's consistent so it's okay" I will offer a counterargument that says "anything can be consistent, what matters if it's the best option".
01:43:500 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,1) - The intensity of the song stays about the same even after this stream, so pumping the spacing this high means that untill the section ends it will be the base spacing. So I highly advise to reduce the overall spacing on the stream to keep the rest of the section relevant to the intensity of the song. I'll also suggest 01:48:300 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11,12,13) - this to be the highest point in the map, since it has the snares being loud, and it is the end of the buildup. You could scale the stream up to 1.2x though I'd prefer 1.1x.

[Walao's party]
Alright since this difficulty is going without limits imma commentate on how can you follow the essence of the song I mentioned on extras on the start of the post. Also why are you torturing me with this timeline zoom w.

Firstly I'll mention 01:53:550 - how the pitch is rising much higher than it was starting from there to 01:55:500 - . In the map there's no real difference on difficulty between the high pitches and low pitched patterns. So I'd advise it to make it noticeable if you're going to apply, having a spacing difference of about 1.5x stronger. You could even make a buildup from 01:54:000 - and potentially make 01:54:000 (1,1,2) - these into 1/4 sliders to emphasize the pitch happening in 1/2 intervals compared to 1/1 like it was until here.
Some options in how you can emphasize the second part more... By making sharper angles and more aggressive overall movement https://i.imgur.com/xUyI9hY.jpg. By trying making it more chaotic with inconsistent angle placing or movement https://i.imgur.com/sqHsPov.jpg. Try not to make it ugly or too awkward for movement in case you were to go for this theme.

Gloria Guard

2,274 posts

Joined May 2011

Topic Starter

Gloria Guard 2017-11-12T05:08:08+00:00

MaridiuS wrote:
Hey. Pointing out some bigger stuff first.

[General]
The following hitsounds appear to have a delay over 5ms. It is advised to avoid such delays to provide better feedback to the player and synchronization with the map. You can delete excess silence on programs such as Audacity. remove the file, and changed timing line for sounds
soft-hitnormal88.wav
soft-hitclap16.wav
[Extra difficulties xd]
Within top 3 difficulties one of main concerns is that neither have a noticeable contrast between these two sections 01:50:700 - to 01:59:100 - from 02:00:300 - to 02:08:700 - . I feel the change in the song strongly since the second part of the section has louder background noise and added snares on every red tick. Those red ticks snares highly suggest an increase of rhythmical density in the song, and so should the map represent that. Although since in top difficulty it isn't really possible to emphasize it with rhythmical density since both sections are fully loaded on that, I will get to the difficulty to talk suggestions about that personally. We used a rhythm that can express this part, and it seems difficult to think of rhythm more than this. Actually I heard the opinions of the players, although there was some difficulty, they did not go beyond the scope of the process. But if you raise a question about this, we can consider it. Anyway, I hope there is no problem with this part. thanks :3

[L u k a s]
Man resnap the sliderends lol. Fixed myself. because it's minor unsnapped issue
[Toybot]
00:29:100 - to 00:39:900 - The rhythm is way too dense compared to anything else in the map. I think this is a bit unnecessary to be this hard, since the section isn't much more important than othres, 01:50:700 - to 02:08:700 - is also an ideal option in which you can go mass circles. So in order to tone it down a bit, firstly, 00:29:100 (1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,1) - could you not make the rhythmically dense section have a precircle spam right before it. By it having a pre-section start being this dense, the emphasis and change of section won't be felt as strongly. I could suggest to make 00:29:700 (1,3) - into sliders to follow vocals. Changed 1/2 slider this.
In the section there is some space for 1/2 sliders instead of 2 circles like 00:31:200 (4) - 00:33:600 (4) - and especially 00:32:400 (3) - which if made a slider will give bigger impact to the following unique pattern since the difference of intensity will be more felt. Hmm, This is a different representation of the emphasis on drum sounds. If you don't use this pattern to represent this part, you get a lot of boredom. If this difficulty is not acceptable for general difficulty, but because of difficulty, experts think that you can find out enough rhythm.
Another option would be to make some triples into a 1/4 slider reversed once. ^
[Maware party]
If there is no logical buildup of difficulty names, unique names are only to be used on the highest star rated map in the mapset . Therefore this should be renamed to something on the lines of Extra / Expert . Generally with this difficulty I've noticed that weaker sections still preserve some big spacing, which could somewhat ruin the contrast, as some of the jumps are as big as kiai section jumps. Okay, Changed diff name.
01:00:300 (1,2,3,4,5) - Referring to jumps such as these. Even if the vocals are impactful, they're not really more impactful than on more important sections. Further more, they're not backed up by synth / drums or background noice which add to the intensity of the particular notes. I believe a more reasonable choice would be to do some stacking gimmicks or linear / circular low spaced flow. Examples : overlaps stacks with small jumps circular. Such choices would complement the song more since it will benefit the element of lower intensity of this certain section. There are definitely other drum and electro sounds here.
But I have already tried various jumps along the vocals, and I think this pattern can accurately represent the expression and cannot be judged as a problem of play or pattern.
01:05:100 (1,2,3,4,5) - 02:30:300 (1,2,3,4,5) - 02:35:100 (1,2,3,4,5) - 03:06:300 (1,2,3,4,5) - 03:11:100 (1,2,3,4,5) - Applies to all of these. In case you come up with argument "but it's consistent so it's okay" I will offer a counterargument that says "anything can be consistent, what matters if it's the best option". Yeah you already said it consistency. As you say, "I made it to pursue consistency." The things you propose are attractive. But for the sake of general player or movepoint fun I have created this. And if you stick to consistency, the player will not be confused every time this part appears.
01:43:500 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,1) - The intensity of the song stays about the same even after this stream, so pumping the spacing this high means that untill the section ends it will be the base spacing. So I highly advise to reduce the overall spacing on the stream to keep the rest of the section relevant to the intensity of the song. I'll also suggest 01:48:300 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11,12,13) - this to be the highest point in the map, since it has the snares being loud, and it is the end of the buildup. You could scale the stream up to 1.2x though I'd prefer 1.1x. Fixed

There was a lot of explanation and I was very confused about interpreting it. But after I interpreted it I learned a lot. Anyway, this is the best answer I can make. If I have any objection to the my comment, I can readily accept it. Thanks for good modding ^3^/

Last edited by Gloria Guard 2017-11-12T10:37:16+00:00, edited 1 time in total.

walaowey

952 posts

Joined March 2012

walaowey 2017-11-12T09:17:24+00:00

MaridiuS wrote:
Hey. Pointing out some bigger stuff first.

[Extra difficulties xd]
Within top 3 difficulties one of main concerns is that neither have a noticeable contrast between these two sections 01:50:700 - to 01:59:100 - from 02:00:300 - to 02:08:700 - . I feel the change in the song strongly since the second part of the section has louder background noise and added snares on every red tick. Those red ticks snares highly suggest an increase of rhythmical density in the song, and so should the map represent that. Although since in top difficulty it isn't really possible to emphasize it with rhythmical density since both sections are fully loaded on that, I will get to the difficulty to talk suggestions about that personally. guess i will use some increase in jump distance to emphasize those parts

[Walao's party]
Alright since this difficulty is going without limits imma commentate on how can you follow the essence of the song I mentioned on extras on the start of the post. Also why are you torturing me with this timeline zoom w. chill xd i just prefer to map with higher timeline zoom, and i forgot to lower it down lol
Firstly I'll mention 01:53:550 - how the pitch is rising much higher than it was starting from there to 01:55:500 - . In the map there's no real difference on difficulty between the high pitches and low pitched patterns. So I'd advise it to make it noticeable if you're going to apply, having a spacing difference of about 1.5x stronger. You could even make a buildup from 01:54:000 - and potentially make 01:54:000 (1,1,2) - these into 1/4 sliders to emphasize the pitch happening in 1/2 intervals compared to 1/1 like it was until here. i'm following that "ha, ha, ha" sound here, but yea now that u say this 01:53:550 (2) - pitch is increasing, but i guess only this part and 02:03:150 (2) - seems to be increasing in pitch only, 01:50:850 (2,1,2,1,2,1,2,1) - and 02:00:450 (2,1,2,1,2,1,2,1) - sounds consistent to me. i think bigger spacing will do nice here.
Some options in how you can emphasize the second part more... By making sharper angles and more aggressive overall movement https://i.imgur.com/xUyI9hY.jpg. By trying making it more chaotic with inconsistent angle placing or movement https://i.imgur.com/sqHsPov.jpg. Try not to make it ugly or too awkward for movement in case you were to go for this theme. yea going for sharper angle and agressive xd

Thanks for the mod, nice and detailed mod.

update https://puu.sh/ykgns/a2e465a7f8.osu

Last edited by walaowey 2017-11-12T15:12:12+00:00, edited 1 time in total.

MaridiuS

879 posts

Joined June 2014

MaridiuS 2017-11-12T12:29:56+00:00

I had an issue once where the mapper couldn't properly understand me, and he asked some more fluent english speaker that speaks his language to help him. You can do that too if you feel the need.

IntellectualBoy wrote:
Hey. Pointing out some bigger stuff first.

[Extra difficulties xd]
Within top 3 difficulties one of main concerns is that neither have a noticeable contrast between these two sections 01:50:700 - to 01:59:100 - from 02:00:300 - to 02:08:700 - . I feel the change in the song strongly since the second part of the section has louder background noise and added snares on every red tick. Those red ticks snares highly suggest an increase of rhythmical density in the song, and so should the map represent that. Although since in top difficulty it isn't really possible to emphasize it with rhythmical density since both sections are fully loaded on that, I will get to the difficulty to talk suggestions about that personally. We used a rhythm that can express this part, and it seems difficult to think of rhythm more than this. Actually I heard the opinions of the players, although there was some difficulty, they did not go beyond the scope of the process. But if you raise a question about this, we can consider it. Anyway, I hope there is no problem with this part. thanks :3

01:50:700 - In the first half of the kiai, the rhythm is fine since it's not as dense as the second. The second part as I said has snares added on every red tick which suggests increase of intensity and rhythm density in the map. Also, players usually feel stuff subconsciously, we modders and mappers are here to assure that they will feel better subconsciously, since they cannot recognize or explain what could be missing most of the times unless something is weird. So the most ideal option to make the rhythm more dense in your section would be to make some 1/2 sliders into two circles like these 02:01:500 (1) - that happen before a 2stack, and making the 2 stack now a 3 stack. 02:02:100 (5) - There are also some ideal places to follow the continuous pitch with constant 1/4 sliders to emphasize it happening on 1/2 intervals. 02:03:300 (3,1) - These two could also be made into 1/4 sliders to emphasize that. 02:06:000 (6) - and idk some more random examples in which you can make sliders into 2 circles. These are just some suggestions in which you could express the rhythmic density, offering primarily this since you said it was difficult to think of a rhythm.

[Toybot]
In the section there is some space for 1/2 sliders instead of 2 circles like 00:31:200 (4) - 00:33:600 (4) - and especially 00:32:400 (3) - which if made a slider will give bigger impact to the following unique pattern since the difference of intensity will be more felt. Hmm, This is a different representation of the emphasis on drum sounds. If you don't use this pattern to represent this part, you get a lot of boredom. If this difficulty is not acceptable for general difficulty, but because of difficulty, experts think that you can find out enough rhythm.
Another option would be to make some triples into a 1/4 slider reversed once. ^
https://i.imgur.com/T6svsbi.png I have a program that portrays rhythmical density of the map. As you can see the graph at the point which fits the section, is other than being higher than other sections, it never goes down on that section, never below 130 intensity. You can see that the graph on the other sections just goes up and down. Other than that, you don't have to make all 3stacks into 1/4 sliders and most examples I've pointed out to be made into 1/2 slider, you could just spontaneously include it on spots that make sense just so you could reduce the intensity of the section a bit. It's not about playabilty issue as much as it is overall scaling of the map relative to other sections that are similarly intense. The section is a part of a map, and so should similarly intense sections not be much more difficult than the others of high intensity.

In a similar fashion you could also make the second part of the kiai 02:00:300 - more rhythmically dense, by for example making some sliders 02:00:600 (2,3) - into 2 circles. You wouldn't want to make them all into circles since for this difficulty it would turn out to be a much higher spike than it should be, just make sure some are made into circles to portray the increase of intensity. You could otherwise 02:03:300 (4,5,1) - make these all circles or even include 1/4 sliders to portray the highly increased pitch, currently it is too passive for how intense the song sounds.

[Extra]
01:00:300 (1,2,3,4,5) - Referring to jumps such as these. Even if the vocals are impactful, they're not really more impactful than on more important sections. Further more, they're not backed up by synth / drums or background noice which add to the intensity of the particular notes. I believe a more reasonable choice would be to do some stacking gimmicks or linear / circular low spaced flow. Examples : overlaps stacks with small jumps circular. Such choices would complement the song more since it will benefit the element of lower intensity of this certain section. There are definitely other drum and electro sounds here.
But I have already tried various jumps along the vocals, and I think this pattern can accurately represent the expression and cannot be judged as a problem of play or pattern.
01:05:100 (1,2,3,4,5) - 02:30:300 (1,2,3,4,5) - 02:35:100 (1,2,3,4,5) - 03:06:300 (1,2,3,4,5) - 03:11:100 (1,2,3,4,5) - Applies to all of these. In case you come up with argument "but it's consistent so it's okay" I will offer a counterargument that says "anything can be consistent, what matters if it's the best option". Yeah you already said it consistency. As you say, "I made it to pursue consistency." The things you propose are attractive. But for the sake of general player or movepoint fun I have created this. And if you stick to consistency, the player will not be confused every time this part appears.
Once again its not about playability as much as it's about scaling and properly portraying the intensity of the section. The sounds aren't backed up by any synth / electronic sounds, they rather have a peaceful metallophone (?!) sound backing them up. Drums are on 01:00:300 (1,4,5) - so I've came up with another pattern that will fully emphasize the drums : https://i.imgur.com/AaK7upr.jpg. I mean the stuff as you mentioned "seem attractive" they also tend to be fun since they're more unique than pure jumps tbh while in the meanwhile follow the overall intensity of the section.

There was a lot of explanation and I was very confused about interpreting it. But after I interpreted it I learned a lot. Anyway, this is the best answer I can make. If I have any objection to the my comment, I can readily accept it. Thanks for good modding ^3^/

Gloria Guard

2,274 posts

Joined May 2011

Topic Starter

Gloria Guard 2017-11-12T13:16:31+00:00

IntellectualBoy wrote:
Hey. Pointing out some bigger stuff first.

[Extra difficulties xd]
Within top 3 difficulties one of main concerns is that neither have a noticeable contrast between these two sections 01:50:700 - to 01:59:100 - from 02:00:300 - to 02:08:700 - . I feel the change in the song strongly since the second part of the section has louder background noise and added snares on every red tick. Those red ticks snares highly suggest an increase of rhythmical density in the song, and so should the map represent that. Although since in top difficulty it isn't really possible to emphasize it with rhythmical density since both sections are fully loaded on that, I will get to the difficulty to talk suggestions about that personally. We used a rhythm that can express this part, and it seems difficult to think of rhythm more than this. Actually I heard the opinions of the players, although there was some difficulty, they did not go beyond the scope of the process. But if you raise a question about this, we can consider it. Anyway, I hope there is no problem with this part. thanks :3

01:50:700 - In the first half of the kiai, the rhythm is fine since it's not as dense as the second. The second part as I said has snares added on every red tick which suggests increase of intensity and rhythm density in the map. Also, players usually feel stuff subconsciously, we modders and mappers are here to assure that they will feel better subconsciously, since they cannot recognize or explain what could be missing most of the times unless something is weird. So the most ideal option to make the rhythm more dense in your section would be to make some 1/2 sliders into two circles like these 02:01:500 (1) - that happen before a 2stack, and making the 2 stack now a 3 stack. 02:02:100 (5) - There are also some ideal places to follow the continuous pitch with constant 1/4 sliders to emphasize it happening on 1/2 intervals. 02:03:300 (3,1) - These two could also be made into 1/4 sliders to emphasize that. 02:06:000 (6) - and idk some more random examples in which you can make sliders into 2 circles. These are just some suggestions in which you could express the rhythmic density, offering primarily this since you said it was difficult to think of a rhythm. I added a little density. But increasing this abnormal density will lose the structure and rhythm of the pattern I want. and I think this part used enough density for music. also Obviously there is a difference in the sound we hear in music, but I do not think it is an area that can directly affect our ears. Anyway, I understood what you want and i already added it. If you do not like it, I don't think there is a way to change something beyond this.

[Toybot]
In the section there is some space for 1/2 sliders instead of 2 circles like 00:31:200 (4) - 00:33:600 (4) - and especially 00:32:400 (3) - which if made a slider will give bigger impact to the following unique pattern since the difference of intensity will be more felt. Hmm, This is a different representation of the emphasis on drum sounds. If you don't use this pattern to represent this part, you get a lot of boredom. If this difficulty is not acceptable for general difficulty, but because of difficulty, experts think that you can find out enough rhythm.
Another option would be to make some triples into a 1/4 slider reversed once. ^
https://i.imgur.com/T6svsbi.png I have a program that portrays rhythmical density of the map. As you can see the graph at the point which fits the section, is other than being higher than other sections, it never goes down on that section, never below 130 intensity. You can see that the graph on the other sections just goes up and down. Other than that, you don't have to make all 3stacks into 1/4 sliders and most examples I've pointed out to be made into 1/2 slider, you could just spontaneously include it on spots that make sense just so you could reduce the intensity of the section a bit. It's not about playabilty issue as much as it is overall scaling of the map relative to other sections that are similarly intense. The section is a part of a map, and so should similarly intense sections not be much more difficult than the others of high intensity.

In a similar fashion you could also make the second part of the kiai 02:00:300 - more rhythmically dense, by for example making some sliders 02:00:600 (2,3) - into 2 circles. You wouldn't want to make them all into circles since for this difficulty it would turn out to be a much higher spike than it should be, just make sure some are made into circles to portray the increase of intensity. You could otherwise 02:03:300 (4,5,1) - make these all circles or even include 1/4 sliders to portray the highly increased pitch, currently it is too passive for how intense the song sounds.

[Extra]
01:00:300 (1,2,3,4,5) - Referring to jumps such as these. Even if the vocals are impactful, they're not really more impactful than on more important sections. Further more, they're not backed up by synth / drums or background noice which add to the intensity of the particular notes. I believe a more reasonable choice would be to do some stacking gimmicks or linear / circular low spaced flow. Examples : overlaps stacks with small jumps circular. Such choices would complement the song more since it will benefit the element of lower intensity of this certain section. There are definitely other drum and electro sounds here.
But I have already tried various jumps along the vocals, and I think this pattern can accurately represent the expression and cannot be judged as a problem of play or pattern.
01:05:100 (1,2,3,4,5) - 02:30:300 (1,2,3,4,5) - 02:35:100 (1,2,3,4,5) - 03:06:300 (1,2,3,4,5) - 03:11:100 (1,2,3,4,5) - Applies to all of these. In case you come up with argument "but it's consistent so it's okay" I will offer a counterargument that says "anything can be consistent, what matters if it's the best option". Yeah you already said it consistency. As you say, "I made it to pursue consistency." The things you propose are attractive. But for the sake of general player or movepoint fun I have created this. And if you stick to consistency, the player will not be confused every time this part appears.
Once again its not about playability as much as it's about scaling and properly portraying the intensity of the section. The sounds aren't backed up by any synth / electronic sounds, they rather have a peaceful metallophone (?!) sound backing them up. Drums are on 01:00:300 (1,4,5) - so I've came up with another pattern that will fully emphasize the drums : https://i.imgur.com/AaK7upr.jpg. I mean the stuff as you mentioned "seem attractive" they also tend to be fun since they're more unique than pure jumps tbh while in the meanwhile follow the overall intensity of the section.

There was a lot of explanation and I was very confused about interpreting it. But after I interpreted it I learned a lot. Anyway, this is the best answer I can make. If I have any objection to the my comment, I can readily accept it. Thanks for good modding ^3^/

All Fixed this suggestions ! thank you :3/

smallboat

1,687 posts

Joined January 2010

smallboat 2017-11-16T01:30:32+00:00

Sorry delay 1 week come here because I have irl work a bit busy.

[General]

The artist is wrong imo, I don't think it all the same words so it should have japanese artist. (Ex: Camellia="かめりあ" ? and Nanahira = "ななひら" )

Confirm the metadata is true or not.

Last, this is the album picture :

and the website: http://kradness.jp/

So, the correct artist is MAZARE(kradness,ななひら,Yukacco)

[Normal]

00:50:100 (2,3,4) - Seems not a curve shape imo.

[NeoSL's Hard]

03:00:300 (1) - The end music is mute, suggest mute the spinner end sound make proper
03:24:600 (2,3) - This pattern (03:24:600 (2,3,5) - ) looka a bit mess, select all 03:24:600 (2,3) - and make 03:24:900 (3) - stack at 03:26:400 (5) - ?

[Luck's Insane]

00:56:400 (3) - Move to (319|197) make all cover the slider curve? (Looks like neat)
02:26:700 (1) - Try to the sliderend push to 02:28:350 ? The vocal end is here I think it will be playing good.
02:41:400 (2,2) - The hitsound sounds like a bit noisy in sliderend, maybe you try to mute these end sound.
02:47:700 (3,4) - Avoid the overlap.
03:51:000 (3) - The same as 02:41:400 reason.
03:51:975 (1) - The same as above.

[toybot's Extra]

01:24:450 (2,3) - Use Ctrl+g for these two notes will have a good playing effect.
03:51:150 (1) - The spinner end sounds like a bit big?

[Expert]

Nothing

[Walao's Party]

00:54:300 (1,2,3) - 00:54:900 (1,2,3) - 00:55:500 (1,2,3) - 00:56:100 (1,2,3) - -> These stream pattern place a bit weird.
(I suggest 00:54:900 (1,2,3) - Put (478|238), 00:55:500 (1,2,3) - Put (454|226), 00:56:100 (1,2,3)-Put (431|218), become a curve pattern will looks neat.)
00:54:750 (4,4,4,4) - Don't forget these notes you can follow above I say these put suggestion.
01:48:975 (2) - Keep the same distance with this stream combo notes won't looks like so strange.
02:30:000 (1) - (166|13)? I think put here it will be a good pattern imo.

Last edited by smallboat 2017-11-16T06:06:31+00:00, edited 1 time in total.

Gloria Guard

2,274 posts

Joined May 2011

Topic Starter

Gloria Guard 2017-11-16T05:18:20+00:00

smallboat wrote:
Sorry delay 1 week come here because I have irl work a bit busy.

[General]

The artist is wrong imo, I don't think it all the same words so it should have japanese artist. (Ex: Camellia="かめりあ" ? and Nanahira = "ななひら" )

Confirm the metadata is true or not.

Last, this is the album picture : and the website: http://kradness.jp/

So, the correct artist is MAZARE (kradness,ななひら,Yukacco) I requested the metadata check this issue. and I checked the correct metadata.

[Normal]

00:50:100 (2,3,4) - Seems not a curve shape imo. Fixed

[toybot's Extra]

01:24:450 (2,3) - Use Ctrl+g for these two notes will have a good playing effect. It is a pattern intended for round flow because, this pattern was intended to have a symmetrical flow of sliders (2) and (3), creating a rounded pattern for the slider (4) and natural flow afterwards.
03:51:150 (1) - The spinner end sounds like a bit big? Fixed

[Expert]

Nothing

Thanks for mods !

Affirmation

2,548 posts

Joined March 2015

Affirmation 2017-11-16T07:32:29+00:00

smallboat wrote:
[NeoSL's Hard]

03:00:300 (1) - The end music is mute, suggest mute the spinner end sound make proper
03:24:600 (2,3) - This pattern (03:24:600 (2,3,5) - ) looka a bit mess, select all 03:24:600 (2,3) - and make 03:24:900 (3) - stack at 03:26:400 (5) - ?this overlap doesn't matter imo. if we play this map, cannot see overlap.

Thanks for mod

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Seolv

847 posts

Joined March 2016

Seolv 2017-11-16T08:44:52+00:00

smallboat is still a bn lol?

smallboat wrote:
[Luck's Insane] it's lukas gimme a fucking break xdd

00:56:400 (3) - Move to (319|197) make all cover the slider curve? (Looks like neat)
02:26:700 (1) - Try to the sliderend push to 02:28:350 ? The vocal end is here I think it will be playing good. too long I wanna keep my slider art
02:41:400 (2,2) - The hitsound sounds like a bit noisy in sliderend, maybe you try to mute these end sound.
02:47:700 (3,4) - Avoid the overlap. it's intentional to make a triangle with the first slider's sliderend and the second slider's head and slider end,
keeping
03:51:000 (3) - The same as 02:41:400 reason.
03:51:975 (1) - The same as above.

owo hype

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[Metadata]
Title:Mazare Party
TitleUnicode:Mazare Party
Artist:MAZARE
ArtistUnicode:MAZARE
Creator:IntellectualBoy
Version:Lukas' Insane
Source:
Tags:toybot walaowey Neoskylove [ L u k a s ]oriental trap jcore utaite Nanahira Kradness Yukacco ななひら Camellia MIND HACK EXIT TUNES
BeatmapID:1416924
BeatmapSetID:667868

[Difficulty]
HPDrainRate:6
CircleSize:4
OverallDifficulty:8
ApproachRate:9
SliderMultiplier:1.5
SliderTickRate:1

[Events]
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//Break Periods
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//Storyboard Layer 0 (Background)
//Storyboard Layer 1 (Fail)
//Storyboard Layer 2 (Pass)
//Storyboard Layer 3 (Foreground)
//Storyboard Sound Samples

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walaowey

952 posts

Joined March 2012

walaowey 2017-11-17T15:37:25+00:00

smallboat wrote:
Sorry delay 1 week come here because I have irl work a bit busy.

[Walao's Party]

00:54:300 (1,2,3) - 00:54:900 (1,2,3) - 00:55:500 (1,2,3) - 00:56:100 (1,2,3) - -> These stream pattern place a bit weird.
(I suggest 00:54:900 (1,2,3) - Put (478|238), 00:55:500 (1,2,3) - Put (454|226), 00:56:100 (1,2,3)-Put (431|218), become a curve pattern will looks neat.) fixed
00:54:750 (4,4,4,4) - Don't forget these notes you can follow above I say these put suggestion. fixed
01:48:975 (2) - Keep the same distance with this stream combo notes won't looks like so strange. 01:48:900 (1,2,3,4,1) - i want to make this part as the highest point of the stream, so i increase the spacing by 0.2x for every circles. but i forgot to increase the spacing for the first one xP, made them all 0.2x ds now xD
02:30:000 (1) - (166|13)? I think put here it will be a good pattern imo.fixed

Thanks for the mod, sorry for the late reply, quite bz lately

update : https://puu.sh/yo06X/549646f658.osu

Gloria Guard

2,274 posts

Joined May 2011

Topic Starter

Gloria Guard 2017-11-17T16:06:32+00:00

All diffs update !

smallboat

1,687 posts

Joined January 2010

smallboat 2017-11-17T17:15:00+00:00

Bubbled

MaridiuS

879 posts

Joined June 2014

MaridiuS 2017-11-18T20:40:15+00:00

Wait im not done here!

[walao]

https://i.imgur.com/Ywj4ke6.png �� xd
00:08:700 (1,1,1,1) - On such quiet sections without any loud background noise, I humbly recommend silencing sliderends, it sounds obnoxious atm imo.
00:15:900 (1,2,3,1,2,3) - ^ basically.
00:53:700 (3) - In your structure you don't use this kind of red anchoring, and generally having such a little straight line on the end of a slider doesn't look good, especially if it's not overlapping with itself. Since you're fond of overlaps, something like this should fit https://i.imgur.com/GGflGTb.jpg.
01:04:800 (1) - Can you make the second curve more circular and then do a proper blanket.
01:11:100 (1,2) - Low background noise, having sliderends muted should sound a lot better tbh. It also turns out to be a bigger problem with the fact that the sliderheads are not hitsounded with whistles for example. In the current state the important vocal has the same hitsounding as a nonexistent blue tick note in the song.
01:15:000 (1,2) - Since these two don't have any impactful vocals, it should be a good idea to make them have much lower spacing than 01:15:300 (1,2,1,2) - they all have strong vocals on them. https://i.imgur.com/oedIbfV.jpg Random example, but by doing this the difference between notes that have impactful vocals and those that don't will be strongly felt.
01:30:300 (1,2,3) - I don't think it suits your structure to have only these on overlapping structure while having the other patterns on similar sounds be without overlapping. Choosing either all overlaps or alternating between overlapping and non overlapping patterns is the way to build the structure.
01:34:200 (2) - Just giving a tip, when doing curved start of the slider it will usually look better if the second part has a curve too, https://i.imgur.com/oWgdVik.jpg like this. It seems more coherent.
01:48:300 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,1,2,3,4) - The snares don't increase in loudness nor intensity in the song. In the map there is a buildup similar to synth 1/4's that you are often doing in the map so I assumed you wanted to make more patterns like this to make it consistent with the map, to make the gimmick more obvious. However, contrast is also a strong tool. Contrast should be used here to differentiate these sounds, snares on same intensity, from the synths that are rising in intensity in 1/4 intervals. Good idea would be to use 1.0x - 1.2x DS for the whole stream.
01:57:300 (1,2,3,4) - Pattern is just too untidy, you should make it symmetrical at least when using weird overlapping technique. Other counterparts look much more organized than this particular pattern.
02:04:200 (3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,1) - Similar to what I was talking in previous mod, you could make this more intense by scaling the whole stream by 1.1x to show stronger intensity in the second part of the section ;p
02:07:650 (1,1,1,1,1,1) - [url=https://i.ppy.sh/fec2ce343feaffe8b37913d7e73ba5c44dcd9c0a/687474703a2f2f7075752e73682f71774777722e6a7067]Lmao,
it's viable.[/url]
02:11:100 (1,2,1) - More random examples of which you can mute sliderends, more peaceful section will result in less background noise.
02:21:450 (4) - 02:22:650 (4) - These two overlapped my life, other than disagreeing on it's current state, they're inconsistent with 02:23:850 (4) - .
02:24:000 (5,6,7,8,1) - There are sometimes when it looks just too weird, I recommend using same spacing for the entire stream, or make the spacing change more apparent, 00:36:600 (3,4,5,6,7) - preferably to something like this in case you insist with spacing increasment.
02:36:300 (1) - Having so many anchors for a really small slider doesn't really look appealing, furthermore it's not consistent with anytinhg. One simple red anchor should do the job better imo.
02:45:900 - I think starting the kiai here should make more sense. The rhythm here is intuitive and regular compared to 02:41:100 - which doesn't even have consistent drums.
02:53:100 (1,2) - I suggest not having them this close, I don't remember the map using such close visual spacing / structuring for this to be viable even visual form of emphasis.
02:53:700 (3,4) - Can't you just make them have the same shape, similar sounds, so making symmetry with same shapes usually looks more compatible right.
03:06:000 (4,5) - These two are too quiet compared to 03:06:300 (1,2,3,4,5) - which seem to have much bigger impact imo. You should make the first example less spaced in order to make the change in vocal intensity more emphasized. 03:06:150 (5,2) - Idea would be to ctrl+g this, but I'm not sure how would you like the flow.
03:10:800 (5,6,1,2,3,4) - Similar case here.
03:13:800 (2,3,4,1,2,3,1,2,3) - It sounds way too similar to 03:09:000 (2,3,4,1,2,3,1,2,3,1) - , with the gimmick of the map being increased spacing for 1/4 synths in case they have different intensity, so should it be applied in the former link.
03:25:650 (2) - Unsnapped
03:49:500 (1,1,1) - MA ZA RE

[Extra]

Pls tell walao how nice it is to have muted sliderends on 3/4' sliders ;d.
00:10:200 (3,4,1,2,3,4) - I don' think that forcing hexagrid is the best option here since it neglects the difference of 00:10:200 (3,4) - these notes compared to the subsequent ones. 3 and 4 I linked don't have strong vocals like the following notes, resulting in the pattern not following the change in music and properly portraying the intensity. https://i.imgur.com/z7aYggm.jpg random example in which the difference will be shown.
00:48:150 (4) - https://i.imgur.com/q9jgdvx.jpg having this like this will better fit the structure of partial overlaps, using a full on stack in this pattern feels misplaced tbh.
00:53:700 (1,2,3,4,1) - Can you improve this somehow, like using 0.3ds on the circle after the sliderend, and having (2) spaced from (1) be also 0.3x
01:05:550 (4,5) - Inverse it from 01:05:250 (2,3) - , you will keep same angles, and have them look similarly, which imo feels better than random rotation to y and x axis change. 03:11:250 (2,3,4,5) - similar goes to this.
01:11:400 (1,1,2) - Inconsistent NCing, this compared to 01:12:600 (1,2,3) - . Also, I don' think 01:12:900 (2) - should have this spacing for a 1/2 interval.
01:18:900 (6,7) - Vocals and synth is going in 1/2 intervals, you might want to increase the intensity by remaking these sliders into 4 circles.
01:30:300 (1,2) - Inconsistent with other 1/4 spacing like 01:31:500 (1,2,1,2) - where there is a lot of visible space between a subsequent slider, and not stacks.
01:54:000 (6,7) - 01:56:100 (4,5) - Idk when you've made all previous 1/4 slider to a circle spaced to 3.85x to 4x distance like 01:52:500 (5,6) - or 01:51:300 (4,5) - I think you should maintain consistency.
02:09:900 - This section makes me moist ;d
03:22:200 (1,1,2,1,1,1) - Inconsistent NCing to other HAI parts like 02:41:100 (1,1,2,3,1,1,2) -
03:35:100 (1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,1,2,3) - You should make this at least to be similarly difficult to 01:24:300 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9) - since it's the last kiai and sounds the most intense, it's currently easier.

[Toybot]

Similar suggestion about silencing 3/4 sliderends, it would sound much more nicer imo. 01:31:500 (1,2,1,2) - random examples where it could be done.
00:45:300 (3,4) - Since the vocals are in 1/2 intervals like 00:42:900 (3,4,5,6) - or 00:40:500 (3,4) - where you follow that with circles, so should it be done there to emphsize it the same way.
00:50:400 (5) - Similar suggestion here, since the vocals are also present on red tick, it's a good idea to emphasize that with circles and to be consistent.
01:58:200 (2,5) - It may seem like it is not really noticeable in gameplay but the overlap is kinda in your face, a large overlap is really felt misplaced when the overall structure is really clean.
02:00:300 - I addressed this in the messages, you said you fixed everything but didn't touch this neither reply to it.
02:19:500 - Since the song rhythm density is rising the map should represent that better. Currently it's mapped the same way as 02:09:900 - even though there is a noticeable change in music and intensity.
03:17:025 - Not sure what is the purpose on bookmark spam, but they should be removed as they are taking away file space for no reason, same for all diffs I guess? xd
03:27:900 (1,2) - Have you thought of blanketing it?
03:48:900 (3,4) - Making these into circles should better complement the end of the map and the final strongest part in the song. It leaves a better taste the map leaves with a bang, not easy 1/2 sliders.

[NeoSL]

01:13:800 (2,3,4,1) - Having this silenced and not 01:11:100 (1,2,1,2) - is just rude, please considering silencing all sliderends that need to be silenced. 02:41:100 (1,2,1,2,1,2,3,4,1) - More examples
01:25:500 (1,2,3,4,5,6) - The blue ticks are louder than red ticks, so by ignoring them this plays really weirdly and doesn't really follow the song. It's different from 01:20:700 (1,2,3,4,5,6,1,2,3) - in the song since the example I initially linked has kicks on blue ticks which are much more noticeable so making them different in the map is also a good idea. You could introduce 3/4 into 1/2 patterning. Applies to 02:55:500 (1,2,3,4,5,6,1,2,3,4) - and 03:36:300 (1,2,3,4,5,6,1,2,3) - as well.
02:54:300 (1,3) - No matter what you do, I don't think this will ever be appealing to major audience, having a simple red anchor works much better imo https://i.imgur.com/SL2dGrg.jpg , same goes to the slider above. Curves that aren't going ciruclar or abruptly change their curvature don't look good in general.

[Normal]

Generally Kias are not that distinct from the rest of map. In order to make it more dense and harder you could possibly make all 01:20:700 (1,2) - sounds upon all kiais into 4 circles. It will just make the kiais dense enough and make this part harder since it's very easy in the current state.
01:23:700 (2) - There are more places where you could use two circles instead one 1/1 slider in order to make the section a bit harder, which it should be compared to peaceful sections like 02:09:900 - for example. This also applies to all kiai sections, and I would rather let you decide where could you make 1/1 sliders into 2 circles in case you agree.
02:13:500 (4,5,6,1,2) - Isn't this 1/2 train too dense for a slow normal section? Kiai's and other more intense sections don't have any long 1/2 train. 02:14:250 (5) - You could delete dis to balance out the overall difficulty of the pattern and give space to the player.

[Easy]

Maybe snap all spinners that are currently on blue tick to start on red tick? Giving more time to newer players is always handy imo.
00:41:100 (3,1) - I hate to be that guy but some blankets are just ugh xd.
00:46:800 (4,1) - Man
01:07:200 (2,3) - ^ Anyways please be kind and fix those really off blankets idk, they're just really off, gl.
01:25:800 (1,2) - www
01:34:200 (2) - Can't u just place it here or something in case you don't intend to blanket https://i.imgur.com/ABdhWIm.jpg. Not intending to blanket when a circle is so close to being a blanket is really rude.
01:41:100 (1,2) - ;(
01:43:500 (1,2) - asd
02:30:300 (3,4,1) - See how stuff looks nice when it's perfect blankets. (or just few pixels off)
Anyways just picked those that are really off which didn't require me to pause to notice them, I recommend revisting the map and try not to ruins DS while doing the blankets ;3.

As for Lukas insane, i'll mod it in a few days I'm not really up to giving structural tips atm.
@smallboat please be patient for a while, if I decide to nominate, I cant qualify.

sahuang

2,294 posts

Joined December 2014

sahuang 2017-11-19T07:17:11+00:00

Not sure if you still want a mod from me, since there are already 2 BNs here. I will delay the M4M a bit then.

Gloria Guard

2,274 posts

Joined May 2011

Topic Starter

Gloria Guard 2017-11-19T14:45:47+00:00

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walaowey

952 posts

Joined March 2012

walaowey 2017-11-19T17:51:26+00:00

MaridiuS wrote:
Wait im not done here!

stuff
[walao]
https://i.imgur.com/Ywj4ke6.png �� xd opss okkkkkk
01:15:000 (1,2) - Since these two don't have any impactful vocals, it should be a good idea to make them have much lower spacing than 01:15:300 (1,2,1,2) - they all have strong vocals on them. https://i.imgur.com/oedIbfV.jpg Random example, but by doing this the difference between notes that have impactful vocals and those that don't will be strongly felt. i heard vocals for these 2 too tbh, "sore sore sore" (not sure if its the correct word xD, cant find the lyrics lol)
01:30:300 (1,2,3) - I don't think it suits your structure to have only these on overlapping structure while having the other patterns on similar sounds be without overlapping. Choosing either all overlaps or alternating between overlapping and non overlapping patterns is the way to build the structure. tbh i think its fine tho, but yea 00:15:900 (1,2,3) - i didnt overlap them fully, i overlap them now, with 01:30:300 (1,2,3,1,2,3) - overlap and 01:32:700 (1,2,3) - no overlap for the notes after that.
01:48:300 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,1,2,3,4) - The snares don't increase in loudness nor intensity in the song. In the map there is a buildup similar to synth 1/4's that you are often doing in the map so I assumed you wanted to make more patterns like this to make it consistent with the map, to make the gimmick more obvious. However, contrast is also a strong tool. Contrast should be used here to differentiate these sounds, snares on same intensity, from the synths that are rising in intensity in 1/4 intervals. Good idea would be to use 1.0x - 1.2x DS for the whole stream. i kinda want to keep this, from my perspective, this part is increasing slowly in sound, the constantly spamming of snares is nice enough to be represented with slowly increasing spacing imo. and "most" of the streams in the map i placed them by slowly increasing the spacing.
02:04:200 (3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,1) - Similar to what I was talking in previous mod, you could make this more intense by scaling the whole stream by 1.1x to show stronger intensity in the second part of the section ;p like u said in the previous mod, this part is increasing in intensity, isnt it the perfect place to use gradually increasing spacing for xD
02:07:650 (1,1,1,1,1,1) - [url=https://i.ppy.sh/fec2ce343feaffe8b37913d7e73ba5c44dcd9c0a/687474703a2f2f7075752e73682f71774777722e6a7067]Lmao,
it's viable.[/url] that sharp slider gonna be hard xP, but yea since this part is getting more intense, sharp is nice. compare to the first part which is a smooth curve only xD
02:24:000 (5,6,7,8,1) - There are sometimes when it looks just too weird, I recommend using same spacing for the entire stream, or make the spacing change more apparent, 00:36:600 (3,4,5,6,7) - preferably to something like this in case you insist with spacing increasment. i think they're fine here, didnt see anyone having problem with it ><
02:53:100 (1,2) - I suggest not having them this close, I don't remember the map using such close visual spacing / structuring for this to be viable even visual form of emphasis. ughh ya, the distance used to be good, it becomes closer becoz i changed the CS while transfering to this map xP
03:06:000 (4,5) - These two are too quiet compared to 03:06:300 (1,2,3,4,5) - which seem to have much bigger impact imo. You should make the first example less spaced in order to make the change in vocal intensity more emphasized. 03:06:150 (5,2) - Idea would be to ctrl+g this, but I'm not sure how would you like the flow. both of them sounds similar to the other imo, constant vocals and rhythm.
03:10:800 (5,6,1,2,3,4) - Similar case here. same as above
03:13:800 (2,3,4,1,2,3,1,2,3) - It sounds way too similar to 03:09:000 (2,3,4,1,2,3,1,2,3,1) - , with the gimmick of the map being increased spacing for 1/4 synths in case they have different intensity, so should it be applied in the former link. imo, a constant spacing here works better, as the vocals was pulling in a straight voice too.
03:49:500 (1,1,1) - MA ZA RE

fixed all except the mentioned one

Thanks

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Affirmation

2,548 posts

Joined March 2015

Affirmation 2017-11-20T12:10:02+00:00

MaridiuS wrote:
[NeoSL]
01:13:800 (2,3,4,1) - Having this silenced and not 01:11:100 (1,2,1,2) - is just rude, please considering silencing all sliderends that need to be silenced. 02:41:100 (1,2,1,2,1,2,3,4,1) - More examples
01:25:500 (1,2,3,4,5,6) - The blue ticks are louder than red ticks, so by ignoring them this plays really weirdly and doesn't really follow the song. It's different from 01:20:700 (1,2,3,4,5,6,1,2,3) - in the song since the example I initially linked has kicks on blue ticks which are much more noticeable so making them different in the map is also a good idea. You could introduce 3/4 into 1/2 patterning. Applies to 02:55:500 (1,2,3,4,5,6,1,2,3,4) - and 03:36:300 (1,2,3,4,5,6,1,2,3) - as well.tbh blue ticks are not so loud as red& white's, for me.
02:54:300 (1,3) - No matter what you do, I don't think this will ever be appealing to major audience, having a simple red anchor works much better imo https://i.imgur.com/SL2dGrg.jpg , same goes to the slider above. Curves that aren't going ciruclar or abruptly change their curvature don't look good in general. Changed other way

no reply=fixed
Thanks

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Gloria Guard

2,274 posts

Joined May 2011

Topic Starter

Gloria Guard 2017-11-20T23:03:20+00:00

Gg

Last edited by Gloria Guard 2017-11-21T17:56:08+00:00, edited 1 time in total.

Rumia-

2,531 posts

Joined July 2012

Rumia- 2017-11-21T04:20:08+00:00

come on man intellectual being cant just give up

[ -Scarlet- ]

526 posts

Joined March 2013

[ -Scarlet- ] 2017-11-21T04:24:35+00:00

There's already 2 BNs willing to push the map forward, and you're giving up now?
Pretty Intellectual move I must say
Please don't waste the effort of the other mappers too thanks

MaridiuS

879 posts

Joined June 2014

MaridiuS 2017-11-21T08:50:24+00:00

Mannnn, talk to me irc, I don't intend on holding the map back I really like the mapset ;v. We probably have a misunderstanding because of language barrier. I guess it was just unfortunate. I just wanted to discuss why I think its important for future maps or in general but isn't really necessary for a 10 sec section . You can't just break down on me when I really have no bad intentions. I wouldn't be modding the rest of the map if I didn't want to push it if you don't agree with this one "issue". Map had unrankable issues too in walao's diff and had to be popped btw.

I was willing to reach a compromise in the irc yes, just chill a bit.

Enon

Beatmap Nominator

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Joined November 2012

Enon 2017-11-21T09:27:29+00:00

버블을 터트리거나 맵을 디퀄 시키는 걸 너무 자신을 공격하는 행위라고 생각하시고 계신 거 아닌가 싶습니다. 물론 아무도 그런 말은 안 했지만, 예전 BAT 시절과는 달리 퀄리파이드 제도가 생긴 이후로 버블팝/디퀄은 수도 없이 일어나는 일이 되었습니다. 이 행위는 맵의 개선 여지가 보여서 도움을 주고자 하는 것이지, 절대 님을 방해하거니 하고 싶어서 그런 건 아니란 말이죠.

저도 과거엔 제 맵이 디퀄 당하거나 버블팝을 당하면 이 사람들이 나를 싫어하는구나 하고 생각했던 적이 있지만 전혀 그렇지 않았습니다.

여기 계신 분들은 글가님께 도움을 주고, 필요하다면 다시 맵이 랭크되기까지 서포트 해줄 겁니다.

이렇게 매번 글로리아님이 맵셋을 포기해버리고 이때까지 맵셋에 들어간 노력을 헛되게 하지 않으셨으면 하는 바람입니다.

Gloria Guard

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Topic Starter

Gloria Guard 2017-11-21T10:09:35+00:00

Enon wrote:
버블을 터트리거나 맵을 디퀄 시키는 걸 너무 자신을 공격하는 행위라고 생각하시고 계신 거 아닌가 싶습니다. 물론 아무도 그런 말은 안 했지만, 예전 BAT 시절과는 달리 퀄리파이드 제도가 생긴 이후로 버블팝/디퀄은 수도 없이 일어나는 일이 되었습니다. 이 행위는 맵의 개선 여지가 보여서 도움을 주고자 하는 것이지, 절대 님을 방해하거니 하고 싶어서 그런 건 아니란 말이죠.

저도 과거엔 제 맵이 디퀄 당하거나 버블팝을 당하면 이 사람들이 나를 싫어하는구나 하고 생각했던 적이 있지만 전혀 그렇지 않았습니다.

여기 계신 분들은 글가님께 도움을 주고, 필요하다면 다시 맵이 랭크되기까지 서포트 해줄 겁니다.

이렇게 매번 글로리아님이 맵셋을 포기해버리고 이때까지 맵셋에 들어간 노력을 헛되게 하지 않으셨으면 하는 바람입니다.

이 글 말고 이전 글에서 길게 뭔갈 늘어놓으면서 글을 쓰긴 했지만, 뭘 의미하는 것인지 잘알겠구요. 논란이 있을까봐 확실하게 말해두는 것이지만 BN의 "공격성"을 비판하는게아니라,
해당 문제에 대해 제안과 설명을 했다면 그것에 대한 예시나 일반적인 부연설명은 더 있을거라고 생각했습니다만, 그런것은 아예 없었고 완전히 매퍼가 알아서
수정하라는 뉘앙스로 받아들이고 있다는 걸 저는 느꼈어요. 물론 제안한 것에 대해서는 매퍼가 어떻게 판단하는지 어떻게 생각하는지 수정은 어떻게 할건지 매퍼 스스로가 해야하는 것은 맞지만, 문제점을 제기한 사람은 책임을 지고 매퍼에게 개선의 도움을 줄 수 있고 이해를 할 수 있도록 어느정도의 예시나 부연설명 정도는 있어야 매퍼가 알아듣고 수정을 할 건지 반론을 제기해서 협의를 할 건지 판단을 하겠죠. 하지만 저는 영어 리딩 능력이나 영어 구사하는 능력이 굉장히 딸리고 유능하지 못해서 어느정도 수준의 문장이 길게 늘어놔도 저는 이해를 못하는게 대다수 입니다. 저는 이런걸 미연에 방지하기 위해서 수도 없이 수만가지의 생각을 하면서 패턴을 짜고 리듬을 짜고 머리가 터질정도로 생각을 해서 맵을 만드는 것이구요. 하지만 그럼에도 불구하고 제가 의도한 것이나 원하지 않은 것에 대해 계속 언급하면서 "예를들어 여기는 이렇게 노트를 배치하고, 여기는 이렇게 노트와 슬라이더를 사용해서 하는 것이 강조성을 띈다" 이런 예시 조차 없다는게 저는 굉장히 화가났고 이해를 못하니 더더욱 멘탈은 나가고 더이상 의욕도 없어지고 포기하게 되는 거구요. 어쨋든 조금이지만 시간이 지났고 어느정도 정리의 시간이 필요 하기 때문에 더이상 언급하지 않을거에요 또한 확실하진 않지만 이 맵을 랭크시키는 것은 확실치 않습니다. 이전 Baru - Resoalive 같이 멘탈이 나간다면 말이죠.

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Gloria Guard

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Gloria Guard 2017-11-21T10:48:18+00:00

MaridiuS wrote:
Mannnn, talk to me irc, I don't intend on holding the map back I really like the mapset ;v. We probably have a misunderstanding because of language barrier. I guess it was just unfortunate. I just wanted to discuss why I think its important for future maps or in general but isn't really necessary for a 10 sec section . You can't just break down on me when I really have no bad intentions. I wouldn't be modding the rest of the map if I didn't want to push it if you don't agree with this one "issue". Map had unrankable issues too in walao's diff and had to be popped btw.

I was willing to reach a compromise in the irc yes, just chill a bit.

I'm sorry. As you said, there are language barriers and there can be many misunderstandings. But I am afraid to talk to foreigners. I am not referring to everyone. i met many people I couldn't speak English and I couldn't understand them, so I was ignored.

I had to meet a lot of people until I made a map and challenged the ranking of this map. But some people ignored me. They do not ignore me because there are many things. I thought about it. btw The reason I got angry, you gave me enough explanation of what you definitely suggested.

But I don't know how to solve this problem. I have said before, but the ability to read english and speak English is suck.

You can think of this as a folly. But I am not in a country or facility related to english. I can't interpret everything you want to talk about. Because there is no one who can interpret what you want to say

So I have to give up. If the conversation is not established and they do not understand each other, then there is no way that the map can already be ranked.

Anyway, I have to organize my thoughts. Yet I can't assure you that I can communicate with you in a good whole spirit. Give me some time. I will once again appear here.

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Gloria Guard 2017-11-21T10:54:00+00:00

[ -Scarlet- ] wrote:
There's already 2 BNs willing to push the map forward, and you're giving up now?
Pretty Intellectual move I must say
Please don't waste the effort of the other mappers too thanks

I have talked to the guest mapper about this beforehand. I was clearly given permission, and I talked about this. and I told before, but I have never said "remove". You do not know what situation I have reached. Give me time to think. You don't make judgments about me first.

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