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Mini Dethy Mafia [Town Win]

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Topic Starter
Lybydose
This is a 5 player Dethy Classic setup.

Roles
1 Sane Cop
1 Insane Cop
1 Naive Cop
1 Paranoid Cop
1 Mafia Goon

Cops receive one of the following results on each investigation: Mafia or Cop.

The Sane Cop always gets the correct result.
The Insane Cop always gets the wrong result.
The Naive Cop always gets Cop.
The Paranoid Cop always gets Mafia.

Cops are not told which sanity they are.

Cop PM wording:

SPOILER
You are a Cop!

Each night you may send me the name of one player to investigate other than yourself. You will receive a result of Mafia or Cop.

Rules

-The game has a cop head start, meaning the game begins on Night 0.
-The game ends when the sole mafia is lynched OR the mafia controls 50% of the votes during the day.
-Sanity is not revealed on death.
-Day lasts 72 hours.
-Night lasts 24 hours.
Everything else follows the standard ruleset.

If there's anything I missed or haven't explained well enough, let me know.

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Alive [4/5]
1. Lilac
2. rust45
3. Luna
4. NoHItter

Dead [2/5]
1. DxS
2. rust45

Replacements
1. Wojjan
Lilac
Hummm...

...Sure.
rust45
This has a good amount of potential. And I can handle small games since there a less people to keep track of.
/in
Luna
/sign up
NoHitter
/in

Mod: Can we have a pregame discussion or something after we get roles?
Topic Starter
Lybydose
Going to go with no, as that gives a huge advantage to the town.
DeathxShinigami
Cop in!
Topic Starter
Lybydose
Signups are now closed, but you can still PM me to be added as a replacement.

Sending role PMs out now. Please confirm by either sending in your Night 0 action if you're cop, or replying in PM with a confirmation if you're mafia.

It is now Night 0. You may not post in the thread. Day 1 will begin as soon as everyone has confirmed, but will begin no earlier than 12 hours after this post.
NoHitter
Mod: I just noticed your policy on no-lynching
The default Dethy strategy requires the cops no lynch until it is 2-1 to accommodate for results?
Topic Starter
Lybydose
waiting for one more confirmation
Wojjan
Can I replace?

Added to Replacements
Topic Starter
Lybydose
Everyone has confirmed.

Day 1 has started.

You have 3 days from this post.

No Lynching rule has also been removed, and is back to the normal system.

sorry I got sidetracked on a coding project
Luna
So, I suppose we'll just claim our investigation results and then see what we can derive off that in order to decide on lynch or no lynch~

According to my investigation, Lilac is Mafia.
DeathxShinigami
lolololol for me Lilac is Cop.

Also I didn't need to know Day 1 has started with 4 PM's :X
Lilac
NoHItter is Mafia.

............................................
Lilac
Already a discrepancy here. So far:-

  1. Luna claims that Lilac is Mafia
  2. DxS claims that Lilac is Cop
  3. Lilac claims that NoHItter is Mafia
Luna
Well, with a Dethy setup it would be strange to not have any discrepancies ;P
Topic Starter
Lybydose

DeathxShinigami wrote:

lolololol for me Lilac is Cop.

Also I didn't need to know Day 1 has started with 4 PM's :X
I didn't even know they were sent, I got an SQL error when I tried.
Lilac
Hey guys...how about we just cop ourselves D2? That could tell a lot.
Luna
We are not allowed to investigate ourselves, it's in the PM.
Possible scumslip?
Lilac
Oh right, it does say that...

...Crap. Shows how much I read. The other plan is for us to all cop the same person. It works the same way.
Lilac
Also, GJ.

rust45
My investigation resulted in Luna being mafia.

Also, Lilac not knowing about investigating yourself isn't really a scum slip, as the cop role PM is posted in the OP.
Luna
I know, still pointing it out since the mafia won't have the "reminder" of actually recieving the PM.
I know there's always the possibility of people just not reading carefully, happens all the time ;P
Lilac

Lilac wrote:

So far:-

  1. Luna claims that Lilac is Mafia
  2. DxS claims that Lilac is Cop
  3. Lilac claims that NoHItter is Mafia
  4. rust claims that Luna is Mafia
We're still waiting on NoHItter.
NoHitter
Lilac is Cop for me.
NoHitter
Cop Table:
Lilac - Sane, Insane, Naive, Paranoid
rust45 - Sane, Insane, Naive, Paranoid
Luna - Sane, Insane, Naive, Paranoid
NoHItter -Sane, Insane, Naive, Paranoid
DxS - Sane, Insane, Naive, Paranoid

Who targeted who:
Lilac - NoHItter is Mafia
rust45 - Luna is Mafia
Luna - Lilac is Mafia
NoHItter - Lilac is Cop
DxS - Lilac is Cop
NoHitter
Also guys, read this: http://mafiascum.net/wiki/index.php?title=Dethy/Analysis

Edit since if I were to post again, it would be quad.
I'll be doing that analysis.
NoHitter
If Lilac is Mafia:
rust45 - Insane/Paranoid
Luna - Sane/Paranoid
NoHItter - Insane/Naive
DxS - Insane/Naive
Not clear

If rust45 is Mafia:
Lilac - Insane/Paranoid
Luna - Insane/Paranoid
NoHItter - Sane/Naive
DxS - Sane/Naive
Not clear

If Luna is Mafia:
Lilac - Insane/Paranoid
rust45 - Sane/Paranoid
NoHItter - Sane/Naive
DxS - Sane/Naive
Not clear

If NoHItter is Mafia:
Lilac - Sane/Paranoid
rust45 - Insane/Paranoid
Luna - Insane/Paranoid
DxS - Sane/Naive
Not clear

If DxS is Mafia:
Lilac - Insane/Paranoid
rust45 - Insane/Paranoid
Luna - Insane/Paranoid
NoHitter - Sane/Naive
Cleared

So basically, DxS is cleared because if he were scum, the set-up would be impossible. As there won't be either a naive/sane cop.
Lilac
That would be all fine and dandy if only everyone told the truth.

Sadly, not everyone did.
NoHitter
Cops have no reason to lie.

On a sidenote I should explain the strategy in a less complex manner:
1) We assume someone is mafia.
2) If by assuming that someone is mafia, we can cross reference the results.
3) If we assume someone is mafia, and there are any lack in cop sanity (e.g. DxS' where it lacks a Sane/Naive cop as I could have only been Sane/Naive), that person is cleared as it would be impossible for that person to be mafia.
Lilac
We No Lynch now due to not enough information or do we just hit one that we know is not cop?
NoHitter
Huh? DxS is confirmed cop, since he cannot be scum, because if he was scum it would contract the set-up.
And yes, we no lynch for more info until it's only 3 people left.
Lilac
That's cool.

No Lynch
Lilac

Lilac wrote:

hit one that we know is not cop?
I know that DxS is a cop.
NoHitter
Uhh that's a 1/4 chance, so I 'd rather not risk that.
Vote: No Lynch
Luna
I suppose we all target DxS during night then? Since he is confirmed~

I've also worked on quite a few thoughts of my own and while it's not 100% conclusive I still managed to get some nice reads on everyone that I should be able to confirm tomorrow. We should be able to win this (:
Not going to vote no lynch just yet because I don't want to end the day before everyone was able to add their thoughts (if any), but I don't see reson to vote someone atm.
NoHitter
Yes that's a nice idea.
We should investigate DxS to confirm our sanity.
Hopefully scum won't kill our Sane/Insane cop.
DeathxShinigami
Vote: No Lynch

Then who should I target for night 1 then?
NoHitter
Anyone you think is suspicious.
There could be chance that you're the sane/insane cop.
Topic Starter
Lybydose
No Lynch has been lynched!

Night 1 has started. Please send actions within 24 hours.
Topic Starter
Lybydose
Everyone's actions have been sent in for Night 1, so Day 2 will begin early!

Well everyone except DxS, he didn't send in an action yet. It doesn't matter though, because DxS is DEAD.

DeathxShinigami (Mafia Jester Serial Killer Cop) - Killed Night 1.

Deadline is in 72 hours.

side note: I'm getting SQL errors when I send PMs. Last time this happened, they went through anyway and you all got a ton of PMs. I'll assume they all went through, and some of you may have received multiple PMs, but if you did not get a result and should have, send me a PM, don't post about it.
Lilac
It's official.

I am paranoid. PARANOID I TELL YOU. THE WALLS ARE MELTING.
Luna
DxS is Mafia.
And I guess Lilac got a Mafia result as well?
Luna
I'm pretty dang sure rust is Maf.
But I'll doublecheck my logic before I post it here and potentially humiliate myself :P
NoHitter
So we all investigated DxS?
I got a Cop result on him, which means either I'm Sane or Naive.
Both Lilac and Luna got Maf results so they are Insane/Paranoid.
IDK about rust yet.

Waiting for his results.
Luna
Haha this is so frustrating.
I can prove that NoHItter and Lilac are Cops. And since I am a Cop, rust is Mafia. But I can't prove I'm a Cop xD

Anyway, this is how I came to my conclusions (some steps are completely useless, but I want to give a full recap of everything I did for completions sake):

First, I drew some conclusions from the results of N0. This did not yet factor in N1 results because I didn't have them at the time.
Now that I know Lilac's and my N1 results I can weed out the possibilities though and prove that rust is Mafia if I'm a Cop (Which I know I am).
Keep in mind that this is all from my point of view, so assuming I'm Cop. But don't worry, I also did some thought experiments that don't rely on me being Cop because I can't expect you to blindly believe that. Please read everything though, so you can follow my train of thoughth. It's quite long, I apologize~
Basically, what I did was analyze all the possibilities that could result from my N0 target being mafia or cop.

Luna - Sane/Insane/Paranoid
Lilac - Sane/Insane/Paranoid/Mafia
rust - Insane/Paranoid/Mafia
NoHItter - Sane/Insane/Naive/Mafia
DxS - Sane/Insane/Naive



Lilac Maf ->
Luna - Sane/Paranoid
rust - Insane/Paranoid
NoHItter - Insane/Naive
DxS - Insane/Naive
->
Luna - Sane
rust - Paranoid
NoHItter, DxS - Insane/Naive

CONTRADICTS N1 RESULTS (Luna Sane)

->

Lilac Cop ->
Luna - Insane/Paranoid
Lilac - Sane/Insane/Paranoid
rust - Insane/Paranoid/Mafia
NoHItter - Sane/Naive/Mafia
DxS - Sane/Naive

- Possibility 1 ->
NoHItter - Mafia
->
Luna, rust - Insane/Paranoid
Lilac - Sane
DxS - Naive

CONTRADICTS N1 RESULTS (Lilac Sane)


- Possibility 2 ->
rust - Mafia
->
Luna, Lilac - Insane/Paranoid
NoHItter, DxS - Sane/Naive

LINES UP

So as you can see, when I'm Cop it's 100% sure that rust is Mafia. At least assuming that all the Cops claimed their actual results, but anything different than that wouldn't make sense.

Next, I tried proving that I am Cop by repeating this process from the points of view of both Lilac and NoHItter. Since I already know they are Cop, it's safe for me to assume all of this.
Unfortunately I was unable to prove that I am a Cop. But Both Lilac and NoHItter can at least prove to themselves that neither of them is Mafia. Unfortunately the two different possibilities that can be analyzed from this just line up with no contradictions, so you can't prove anything further.
At least that only leaves rust and me as suspects, tho~

Here are the PoV-versions:

Lilac PoV after N1

Luna - Insane/Paranoid/Mafia
Lilac - Insane/Paranoid
rust - Sane/Insane/Paranoid/Mafia
NoHItter - Sane/Naive/Mafia
DxS - Sane/Naive



NoHItter Maf ->
Luna - Insane/Paranoid
Lilac - Paranoid
rust - Insane/Paranoid

DOESN'T LINE UP

->

NoHItter Cop


NoHItter PoV after N1 assuming he flipped Cop on DxS (which I know he does)

Luna - Sane/Insane/Paranoid/Mafia
Lilac - Insane/Paranoid/Mafia
rust - Sane/Insane/Paranoid/Mafia
NoHItter - Sane/Naive
DxS - Sane/Insane/Naive



Lilac Maf ->
Luna - Sane
rust - Insane/Paranoid
NoHItter - Naive
DxS - Insane/Naive

CONTRADICTS N1 RESULTS (Luna Sane)

->

Lilac Cop ->
Luna - Insane/Paranoid/Mafia
Lilac - Insane/Paranoid
rust - Sane/Insane/Paranoid/Mafia
NoHItter - Sane/Naive
DxS - Sane/Naive
->
NoHItter/DxS - Sane/Naive
->
rust - Insane/Paranoid/Mafia

Stupid situation is stupid.
I guess we'll have to wait for N2 results to prove rust Mafia xD
Luna
lol, ninja'd by NoHItter's result but it perfectly fits what I predicted.
So NoHItter can now be sure that Lilac is Cop and Lilac can be sure that NoHItter is Cop.
You two are now confirmed.
Luna
(Unless I majorly messed up somewhere, in that case please point it out. But I doubt it, really)
NoHitter
Let's do this but with D2 results we had so far:
Lilac on DxS - Guilty
Luna on DxS - Guilty
NoHitter on DxS - Cop

If Lilac is Mafia:
rust45 - Insane/Paranoid
Luna - Paranoid
NoHItter - Insane/Naive
DxS - Insane/Naive
Cleared. No sane at all even if we consider rust's result.

If rust45 is Mafia:
Lilac - Insane/Paranoid
Luna - Insane/Paranoid
NoHItter - Sane/Naive
DxS - Sane/Naive
Not clear. Nothing changes.

If Luna is Mafia:
Lilac - Insane/Paranoid
rust45 - Sane/Paranoid
NoHItter - Sane/Naive
DxS - Sane/Naive
Not clear. Nothing changes either.

If NoHItter is Mafia:
Lilac - Paranoid
rust45 - Insane/Paranoid
Luna - Insane/Paranoid
DxS - Sane/Naive
Cleared. No possible way sane/naive cop can exist since only DxS could have been it.

Therefore mafia is between Luna and rust45.
Lilac and me are clear.
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