I could have, but I couldn't bother to drive for an hour just to upload a beatmap ._.;;HakuNoKaemi wrote:
it's because bmin didn't want to give a slot to it
Quote of the thread thank you very much.Natteke wrote:
A mapset is a collective bundle of efforts
Bypassing the submission system.Xafnia wrote:
Exactly what is the problem anyways?
The uploader of a mapset must have made as many or more difficulties as any of the guest mappers.This will not disallow guest diff bundles, as everyone has one diff, but would disallow cases like what HakuNoKaemi pointed out, and thus limiting the upload limit bypassing.
yes, and guideline it (as originally intended). This is the current rule anyway, it's just never been in writing that I remember.Odaril wrote:
So in short, you agree with my wording, except you would add an exception for approval maps ?
Uhh Rule means No Exception, Guideline means can only be broken if it makes the map more fun and it makes sense.bmin11 wrote:
Having it as a rule should be okay as long as it's open for exceptions.
The uploader of a mapset should be the creator of as many or more difficulties than any single guest mapper.I would equally support a rule similar to Odaril's, though.
It doesn't unless we say it does, and for the sake of simplicity, it doesn't.HakuNoKaemi wrote:
Skinning and Storyboarding is an Effort too and so has to be counted in.
More as "the one who worked more" than "the one who mapped equally or more"
Perfect as a guideline.Sakura Hana wrote:
Number of maps by any mapper should not exceed the number of maps by the uploader: this means that if you have 2 diffs, no guest mapper can have more than 2 diffs, Collaboration maps are excempt from this.
How about that.
I agree that guest mappers having ranked difficulties is a good way of getting their word out (just making pretty [Easy] difficulties has got me more attention than I would've otherwise). Of course an uploader is almost never going to own everything that goes into a mapset, but they effectively own their maps. It's not a prejudice thing if I'm disappointed at a mapset which has almost nothing done by the uploader--if they've only uploaded one difficulty of their own which isn't even supposed to be a collab map, then they're effectively gaining success from other people's work.Natteke wrote:
And this is where you are completely wrong. Guest mappers are credited in both diff names and creator's comments. Is this not enough for you? I love a lot of mapsets because of the guest diffs they have included, and my regards go not to the person who has submitted the map, but to the guest diff creator. I'm sure many people feel the same. Having a mapset submitted doesn't mean that it's completely yours. After all you've used a song not made by you (except when you're mapping your own song), you included guest diffs not made by you. A mapset is a collective bundle of efforts.D33d wrote:
That is simply a personal thing, but it also means that, for all of the effort that the guest(s) themselves put into their maps, all of the credit (play count and rating and general recognition) goes to the lazy uploader.
ziin wrote:
The number of maps by any mapper should not exceed the number of maps by the uploader: this means that if you have 2 diffs, no guest mapper can have more than 2 diffs; collaboration maps are exempt from this.
Simple. If the SBer is required more Work in Coding and Image-Editing it can count as more effort. If, for example, the mapper has done 2 Difficulty, but has worked throughly for an SB and/or a Skin, he did put equally or more effort than the guest mapper who did 3 difficulty.bmin11 wrote:
Can you describe what on simply, medium, full SB would be like and the difference between each stages? We might as well consider these before we add it on the rule or the guideline so there won't be any confusions.
This is not a meter as it is mostly subjective. I think the wording I gave is good enough, keeping in mind that this is still a guideline, and not a hard rule.HakuNoKaemi wrote:
"Effort based on overall work"
Except mapper only credits SBer/Skinner in creator's words, the end result given to the players is in the difficulties, regardless of the effort put into skins and SBs, what the players play is a bunch of hitobjects, the eye candy can't be viewed without them.HakuNoKaemi wrote:
I think changing "Number Of Maps" with "Effort based on overall work" as a meter can be better-intended.It will discourage the case this rule is intended, while not suggesting neither discouraging bordelines directly.
You must fully map at least one difficulty of a mapset if you are the person who is uploading it. For collaborated beatmap sets, the uploader must be a part of every difficulty. Also, no guest mapper should have more content in the mapset than the creator. It makes no sense to upload a map if you barely contributed to it.
HakuNoKaemi wrote:
There was a rule about that in the draft, you can directly substitute it...SPOILERYou must fully map at least one difficulty of a mapset if you are the person who is uploading it. For collaborated beatmap sets, the uploader must be a part of every difficulty. Also, no guest mapper should have more content in the mapset than the creator. It makes no sense to upload a map if you barely contributed to it.
The number of maps by any mapper should not exceed the number of maps by the uploader: this means that if you have 2 diffs, no guest mapper can have more than 2 diffs; collaboration maps are exempt from this.And this is the guideline suggested by this forum.
This. Looks good to me.ziin wrote:
shorter wording, use of semi-colon, awesome guideline, put it in.
I know--I had only mentioned quality as an aside, but I also wanted to encourage people to make the hardest difficulties by themselves. I don't have any beef with that, but I think that it looks a lot better when they do so.Odaril wrote:
Quality of content is irrelevant to this discussion. It only discusses its owner.
The number of maps by any mapper should not exceed the number of maps by the uploader: this means that if you have 2 diffs, no guest mapper can have more than 2 diffs; collaboration maps are exempt from this. Ask a BAT if you're unsure of who should upload the mapset.
This is perfectly fine if the friend and taiko mappers aren't the same mapper as the one who did two diffs.ztrot wrote:
Yeah I'm not going to treat this as a rule seeing as you clearly stated it as a guideline, Example I make two standard diffs I get 2 guest diffs there is a gap, another friend fills in a gap for that then I get a guest taiko because it just happens. that brings up my guest count to 4 different mappers working on one map and what is wrong with that exactly If they are contempt with letting there work go with another why stop it? sorry for bring this up but I haven't been around much. but it seems like this is only hurting the map Creation process not making it better if you can get a good map set from a combined number of mappers then why stop it?