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Halfslashed
[General]
There doesn't really seem to be reason for you to skip the intro on your lower difficulties aside from "I didn't feel like mapping this". This takes away from the overall quality of your set since you're not mapping the same things in all of your difficulties, especially when it is feasible to do so. I understand you have variable timing, but you can adjust the SVs to normalize the SV in the intro section.

[Insane]
Your NC system could use some work in providing proper emphasis, since they're used to seperate musical groupings. 00:18:183 (1,2,3) - Stuff like this doesn't work too well for example due to having the start of the new musical phrase landing on 3. In cases like this, you're better off NCing 3 and un-NCing 1, or you could keep 1 NC'd to indicate that they're pick up notes for the next beat. The same logic also applies to most of your triples throughout the map and to stuff like 00:28:492 (6) - .
00:03:004 (2,1) - I recommend using a harsher placement here, since for a transition between a vocal only part to a part with instrumental backing, this is a really weak transition. Something you could do is change the orientation of your pattern to something like this which would give more emphasis to the next note.
00:16:323 (6,7) - I recommend changing 6 into a 1/2 slider and adding a circle in the middle of this to emphasize the change vocal intensity here.
00:23:029 (1) - Using a larger spacing to this would put more focus on the slow SV of these vocals, so I'd recommend doing that even if you shortened 00:21:948 (1) - to end on the blue tick to do so.
00:27:773 (4) - I recommend changing this into a 1/2 slider + circle to make 00:28:492 (6) - stand out more and follow the piano a bit better.
00:29:569 (1,2) - Not sure if I'd agree that the spacing here fits due to how weak 2 is, though the spacing definitely fits for 00:29:749 (2,3) - very well. I recommend doing something like this to fit the intensity better.
00:33:880 (3,1,2,3) - The entry angle into this triple ends up putting more emphasis on the red tick than the white tick here due to 1 being the point of the direction change, and since the player has to stop on that note they don't have any momentum going into 3. Since the red tick isn't really strong here. I recommend reorienting your triple to have a more comfortable entry angle and proper emphasis on the white tick like this. You'll likely have to change some things around to accommodate this.
00:55:797 (1,2) - I think since you're building up to transitioning to 00:58:671 (1,2,3) - that changing 1 into a 1/2 slider + circle is more appropriate due to how strong the doubles are here.
01:03:701 (1,2) - Having these in a pattern with 01:02:983 (1,2,3) - is hurting your overall emphasis of the vocals, especially since there isn't a large SV decrease. I recommend spacing these away from the previous pattern and incorporating an SV decrease to focus the vocals more and fit the lack of instruments here. Something like this can work.
01:05:138 (4,5) - I've mentioned it enough by this point I think your rhythm from 01:04:420 (1,2,3) - is more appropriate here. This variation is very different in terms of intensity and having the 3/4 as a slider tail detracts from the sounds that this song is based on. If you need a variation here, I would recommend a rhythm like this instead, since although it is more awkward to play it captures what the song is build around better than only having your clicks on the metronome.
01:08:731 (1,2) - Having all circles for this rhythm like this would make for a better lead in to the stream you have after this.
01:17:354 (1,2) - Due to the lack of instruments playing here, I recommend using a 2/1 reverse here for a sharp contrast with the previous intensity. Though, if you did this you'd have to adjust your rhythms afterwards.

[Hard]
Similar to the Insane, you're overrelying on 00:58:671 (1,2) - when it really doesn't fit the drum line this song is based around due to not having the blue tick clickable. Due to the angles you're using and this difficulty level though, its more acceptable for this to be more common, but that doesn't mean you cannot use other rhythms like what you do at 00:27:055 (1,2,3) - more often.
01:15:917 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,1,2) - For this BPM, 9 consecutive clickable objects with 1/4 gaps is unacceptable, especially with this kind of spacing. I recommend changing 01:16:276 (5,6,7,8) - into a 1/4 repeat and then this will work great as an end-of-kiai stream for this difficulty.

Nothing much to say here aside from that.

[Advanced]
This difficulty is too hard to be considered a proper advanced difficulty for this spread. You introduce 1/4 in the hard difficulty above this, and the difficulty below this barely has any 1/2, so this difficulty would need to fill the role of adjusting the players to playing 1/2. This means that for this BPM, you should try to keep the maximum amount of objects with 1/2 gaps between them to about 6. Additionally, you shouldn't be introducing 1/4 repeats since in the context of the spread, they are too fast for players to interpret properly.
00:27:055 (1,2) - Slider tail stacking is heavily discouraged in normal difficulties due to the additional reading difficulty they add (I bring this up due to advanced difficulties needing to follow normal and hard guidelines).
00:28:312 (4) - 00:31:186 (5) - Removing notes like this will allow you to introduce more 1/1 gaps as breaks
00:32:803 - Sliders at this difficulty end up being more difficult to keep up with than circles due to newer players still trying to learn how slider mechanics work, so introducing either 1/1 gaps or more circles in this chain will help the player adjust to them more easily.

[Normal]
00:44:300 (1,2) - Avoid blanketting the following note in the lower difficulty. Players at this difficulty will likely see 2 and let go of the slider early to hit it due to the blanket. Something like this can work out better since the next note is more in the direction of the slider end than it would be if it was blanketed.
00:55:797 (1,2,3) - Avoid even distance between objects in the lowest difficulty, since the player can easily hit 3 instead of 2 since they are visually the same distance apart. Something like this can work, though it's not as pretty.
01:01:546 (1) - Awesome.
01:21:665 (1,2,3,4) - Cool, but you're better off using circles, since this is a difficulty spike for players at this level due to the large amount of consecutive 1/2 gaps that were not present prior to this.

Good luck!
Topic Starter
-Rmdy
Silver_Cr0w

Silver_Cr0w wrote:

[Normal]
Вроде все хорошо тут.

[Another]
00:33:881 - советую поменять ритмику немного, как на пикче (красный штрих означает таймкод, который я указал в этом пункте мода) https://prnt.sc/ggloyk А что изменилось?
Больше ничего не нашел...

[Hard]
Не шарю в хардах, сори, вроде хорошо.

[Insane]
00:54:360 (5) - уверен, что следует делать еще один реверс? Уверен
01:08:372 (4,1) - здесь спейсинг надо побольше, судя по тому, как ты начал выставлять и продолжил, хотя звук одинаковый. Не хочу их двигать, да и не имеет такого большого значения
01:14:839 (2,3) - ^


Сори, не могу больше ничего найти (не шарю в модинге), сет крутой, ласт дифа годная, удачи с мапкой в будущем!

Halfslashed

Halfslashed wrote:

[General]
There doesn't really seem to be reason for you to skip the intro on your lower difficulties aside from "I didn't feel like mapping this". This takes away from the overall quality of your set since you're not mapping the same things in all of your difficulties, especially when it is feasible to do so. I understand you have variable timing, but you can adjust the SVs to normalize the SV in the intro section. True. I will try to map it

[Insane]
Your NC system could use some work in providing proper emphasis, since they're used to seperate musical groupings. 00:18:183 (1,2,3) - Stuff like this doesn't work too well for example due to having the start of the new musical phrase landing on 3. In cases like this, you're better off NCing 3 and un-NCing 1, or you could keep 1 NC'd to indicate that they're pick up notes for the next beat. The same logic also applies to most of your triples throughout the map and to stuff like 00:28:492 (6) - . But my NCing follow vocal phrases, as most of my patterns
00:03:004 (2,1) - I recommend using a harsher placement here, since for a transition between a vocal only part to a part with instrumental backing, this is a really weak transition. Something you could do is change the orientation of your pattern to something like this which would give more emphasis to the next note. changed
00:16:323 (6,7) - I recommend changing 6 into a 1/2 slider and adding a circle in the middle of this to emphasize the change vocal intensity here. I don't see a reason for this, it's pretty much the same vocal
00:23:029 (1) - Using a larger spacing to this would put more focus on the slow SV of these vocals, so I'd recommend doing that even if you shortened 00:21:948 (1) - to end on the blue tick to do so. Well, okay
00:27:773 (4) - I recommend changing this into a 1/2 slider + circle to make 00:28:492 (6) - stand out more and follow the piano a bit better. I don't like that idea
00:29:569 (1,2) - Not sure if I'd agree that the spacing here fits due to how weak 2 is, though the spacing definitely fits for 00:29:749 (2,3) - very well. I recommend doing something like this to fit the intensity better. ye, it may be better
00:33:880 (3,1,2,3) - The entry angle into this triple ends up putting more emphasis on the red tick than the white tick here due to 1 being the point of the direction change, and since the player has to stop on that note they don't have any momentum going into 3. Since the red tick isn't really strong here. I recommend reorienting your triple to have a more comfortable entry angle and proper emphasis on the white tick like this. You'll likely have to change some things around to accommodate this. I'll try to lower the spacing, should be better
00:55:797 (1,2) - I think since you're building up to transitioning to 00:58:671 (1,2,3) - that changing 1 into a 1/2 slider + circle is more appropriate due to how strong the doubles are here. I don't want to use 1/2 slider, cuz there is nothing on red tick
01:03:701 (1,2) - Having these in a pattern with 01:02:983 (1,2,3) - is hurting your overall emphasis of the vocals, especially since there isn't a large SV decrease. I recommend spacing these away from the previous pattern and incorporating an SV decrease to focus the vocals more and fit the lack of instruments here. Something like this can work. I see what you mean, but I like this pattern, and I think it's still works pretty well
01:05:138 (4,5) - I've mentioned it enough by this point I think your rhythm from 01:04:420 (1,2,3) - is more appropriate here. This variation is very different in terms of intensity and having the 3/4 as a slider tail detracts from the sounds that this song is based on. If you need a variation here, I would recommend a rhythm like this instead, since although it is more awkward to play it captures what the song is build around better than only having your clicks on the metronome. Meh, don't like it either ways
01:08:731 (1,2) - Having all circles for this rhythm like this would make for a better lead in to the stream you have after this. Sliders for vocals
01:17:354 (1,2) - Due to the lack of instruments playing here, I recommend using a 2/1 reverse here for a sharp contrast with the previous intensity. Though, if you did this you'd have to adjust your rhythms afterwards. I think it's okay the way it is

[Hard]
Similar to the Insane, you're overrelying on 00:58:671 (1,2) - when it really doesn't fit the drum line this song is based around due to not having the blue tick clickable. Due to the angles you're using and this difficulty level though, its more acceptable for this to be more common, but that doesn't mean you cannot use other rhythms like what you do at 00:27:055 (1,2,3) - more often. Nah, I don't like philosophy of making every strong beat clickable.
01:15:917 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,1,2) - For this BPM, 9 consecutive clickable objects with 1/4 gaps is unacceptable, especially with this kind of spacing. I recommend changing 01:16:276 (5,6,7,8) - into a 1/4 repeat and then this will work great as an end-of-kiai stream for this difficulty. Sure, I agree that it hard

Nothing much to say here aside from that.

[Advanced]
This difficulty is too hard to be considered a proper advanced difficulty for this spread. You introduce 1/4 in the hard difficulty above this, and the difficulty below this barely has any 1/2, so this difficulty would need to fill the role of adjusting the players to playing 1/2. This means that for this BPM, you should try to keep the maximum amount of objects with 1/2 gaps between them to about 6. Additionally, you shouldn't be introducing 1/4 repeats since in the context of the spread, they are too fast for players to interpret properly.
00:27:055 (1,2) - Slider tail stacking is heavily discouraged in normal difficulties due to the additional reading difficulty they add (I bring this up due to advanced difficulties needing to follow normal and hard guidelines).
00:28:312 (4) - 00:31:186 (5) - Removing notes like this will allow you to introduce more 1/1 gaps as breaks
00:32:803 - Sliders at this difficulty end up being more difficult to keep up with than circles due to newer players still trying to learn how slider mechanics work, so introducing either 1/1 gaps or more circles in this chain will help the player adjust to them more easily.
Okay, I can agree with everything, but before changing it, I would actually love to know what ours senpai says about it
Edit: after having irc with Sergio I added some 1/2 on normal, and didn't do much in advanced except mapping intro

[Normal]
00:44:300 (1,2) - Avoid blanketting the following note in the lower difficulty. Players at this difficulty will likely see 2 and let go of the slider early to hit it due to the blanket. Something like this can work out better since the next note is more in the direction of the slider end than it would be if it was blanketed. Alright, changed
00:55:797 (1,2,3) - Avoid even distance between objects in the lowest difficulty, since the player can easily hit 3 instead of 2 since they are visually the same distance apart. Something like this can work, though it's not as pretty. Okay, I got your point. Changed
01:01:546 (1) - Awesome. Thanks
01:21:665 (1,2,3,4) - Cool, but you're better off using circles, since this is a difficulty spike for players at this level due to the large amount of consecutive 1/2 gaps that were not present prior to this. Okay, I will change them into circles except last one cuz there is drums

Good luck!

Thank you for mods!
tatemae
super useful mod for TheMefisto
2017-09-30 23:21 Loreley: армоди попросил мод на твою диффу написать
2017-09-30 23:21 TheMefisto: Ghbdtn
2017-09-30 23:21 TheMefisto: Da
2017-09-30 23:21 Loreley: может ирк быстренько?
2017-09-30 23:22 TheMefisto: Давй
2017-09-30 23:22 TheMefisto: Я забыл, что из игры не вышел, лол
2017-09-30 23:24 Loreley: 00:14:340 (2,4) - мне нравится паттерн
2017-09-30 23:25 Loreley: но не вижу смысла не повторения
2017-09-30 23:25 TheMefisto: Там похожий вокал, вроде бы
2017-09-30 23:25 Loreley: в первом случае 1 слово
2017-09-30 23:26 Loreley: а потом слог
2017-09-30 23:26 TheMefisto: Мб я не так понимаю
2017-09-30 23:26 Loreley: 00:14:340 (2) - "позволь"
2017-09-30 23:26 TheMefisto: Что предлагаешь сделать?
2017-09-30 23:26 Loreley: 00:15:103 (4) - "час"
2017-09-30 23:27 Loreley: ^на слайдере даже слово не полностью
2017-09-30 23:27 Loreley: 00:15:103 (4) - я предлагаю этот cntrl+g и отодвинуть влево
2017-09-30 23:27 TheMefisto: Ну, "час" она тянет, а "позволь" быстро произносит
2017-09-30 23:28 TheMefisto: Тбх не вижу смысла, если честно
2017-09-30 23:28 TheMefisto: Ну, с анстаком
2017-09-30 23:29 Loreley: да это я так приебался
2017-09-30 23:30 TheMefisto: Ды и нормально, просто существенной разницы не будет в итоге
2017-09-30 23:30 Loreley: блин
2017-09-30 23:30 Loreley: крутая диффа
2017-09-30 23:30 TheMefisto: :о
2017-09-30 23:31 Loreley: цс маленький прям заходит
2017-09-30 23:31 TheMefisto: Пытался под низкий ЦС сделать какие-то приколюхи с ритмикой
2017-09-30 23:32 Loreley: 01:00:647 (6,7) - я не играл
2017-09-30 23:32 Loreley: но думаю, что стоит ближе поставить
2017-09-30 23:32 Loreley: к стриму
2017-09-30 23:32 TheMefisto: Подвину стрим ближе к слайдеру
2017-09-30 23:32 TheMefisto: И чуть левее
2017-09-30 23:35 Loreley: 00:27:055 (1,5) - меня как-то смущает этот анстак
2017-09-30 23:35 Loreley: он единственный в карте
2017-09-30 23:36 TheMefisto: Стакну
2017-09-30 23:36 TheMefisto: Изначально думал, что будет больше
2017-09-30 23:36 TheMefisto: А потом как-то не пошло х)
2017-09-30 23:36 TheMefisto: А хотя вот 00:32:803 (1,5) -
2017-09-30 23:36 Loreley: 00:52:204 (3) - имо, но лучше поменять направление слайдера
2017-09-30 23:37 Loreley: ну или сделать его другой формы
2017-09-30 23:37 Loreley: в форме меча!
2017-09-30 23:38 Loreley: http://puu.sh/xMPmV/4d8702abe4.png не знаю
2017-09-30 23:38 TheMefisto: Сложно 3/4 слайдер сделать как меч х)
2017-09-30 23:38 Loreley: насколько это похоже на меч
2017-09-30 23:39 TheMefisto: Наверное, оставлю для консистенции, все же
2017-09-30 23:39 TheMefisto: У меня все такие вокалы сделаны 3 одинаковыми слайдерами
2017-09-30 23:39 TheMefisto: Ну и не только вокалы
2017-09-30 23:39 TheMefisto: А протяжные звуки тоже
2017-09-30 23:40 Loreley: ты дистанс снап юзал?
2017-09-30 23:41 TheMefisto: На глаз
2017-09-30 23:41 Loreley: 00:39:090 (2,3) - это тоже?
2017-09-30 23:42 TheMefisto: Ой, аимод на слайдер ругается
2017-09-30 23:42 TheMefisto: А, ну тут юзал
2017-09-30 23:42 Loreley: 00:43:581 (8) - кстати, слышишь звук на красном тике
2017-09-30 23:42 Loreley: можно слайдерпоинт на него поставить
2017-09-30 23:43 TheMefisto: Вроде не слышу .-.
2017-09-30 23:43 TheMefisto: Он там на фоне трещит
2017-09-30 23:43 Loreley: да
2017-09-30 23:43 Loreley: там что-то вроде трипла
2017-09-30 23:43 TheMefisto: Да
2017-09-30 23:44 TheMefisto: Скорее просто гитарка
2017-09-30 23:44 Loreley: http://puu.sh/xMPDF/1e57e6c076.png
2017-09-30 23:44 Loreley: вот такую штуку предлагаю на этот трипл сделать
2017-09-30 23:45 Loreley: моджно покрасивше поставить
2017-09-30 23:45 Loreley: конечно же
2017-09-30 23:45 TheMefisto: Там плохо то, что видно ее хреново будет
2017-09-30 23:45 TheMefisto: Ну и из-за несимметричности оно в целом будет немного мех
2017-09-30 23:46 Loreley: ну а если так http://puu.sh/xMPH6/56c8a50e4d.png
2017-09-30 23:47 TheMefisto: Хрен знает
2017-09-30 23:47 TheMefisto: Все-таки не очень хочется внимание на этой штуке заострять
2017-09-30 23:47 TheMefisto: Потому что сам по себе звук встречается и позже, на разных слайдерах
2017-09-30 23:47 Loreley: 01:01:186 (1) - можно нк поставить
2017-09-30 23:48 Loreley: нк уменьшающейся спейсинг
2017-09-30 23:48 Loreley: на*
2017-09-30 23:48 Loreley: 01:01:546 (1) - ну а тут убрать
2017-09-30 23:48 Loreley: или оставить
2017-09-30 23:48 Loreley: или убрать!
2017-09-30 23:48 TheMefisto: Блин
2017-09-30 23:48 Loreley: лан, ща сяду за сто
2017-09-30 23:48 TheMefisto: Как-то неоднозначно получается х)
2017-09-30 23:48 Loreley: сыграю
2017-09-30 23:48 TheMefisto: Тип, НК под 10 будет
2017-09-30 23:49 TheMefisto: Вроде бы логично, но чисто визуально как будто хочется поставить НК сюда 01:01:096 -
2017-09-30 23:49 Loreley: 01:16:635 (9) - но тогда и сюда придется
2017-09-30 23:49 Loreley: в общем
2017-09-30 23:49 Loreley: решай сам
2017-09-30 23:49 Loreley: эстетически
2017-09-30 23:49 Loreley: лучше поставить
2017-09-30 23:49 Loreley: для игры
2017-09-30 23:49 Loreley: лучше не ставить
2017-09-30 23:49 TheMefisto: Не буду тогда пока ставить
2017-09-30 23:50 Loreley: мне не нравится такие нк, когда я играю
2017-09-30 23:50 Loreley: но сам их ставлю
2017-09-30 23:50 TheMefisto: Запомню, если еще кто будет говорить - НКшну
2017-09-30 23:50 Loreley: ACTION is playing [https://osu.ppy.sh/b/1429001 Sati Akura - Hakushu Kassai Uta Awase [Mefisto's Light Insane]] -Easy
2017-09-30 23:50 Loreley: мож чо по флоу скажу
2017-09-30 23:52 TheMefisto: Я б посмотрел, но менял штуки же х)
2017-09-30 23:52 Loreley: 01:01:546 (1) - я только не дотянулся до этой
2017-09-30 23:52 Loreley: лучше чуть ближе поставить
2017-09-30 23:52 Loreley: причем круги в изи моде больше
2017-09-30 23:53 Loreley: хз как я не попал
2017-09-30 23:53 TheMefisto: Хм
2017-09-30 23:53 TheMefisto: По идее, даже если ведешь как эти 01:01:096 (10,11,12,13,14) - , то должен достать х)
2017-09-30 23:53 TheMefisto: Я пока так оставлю, потому что спейсинг там такой же, как и у 01:00:827 (7,8,9,10) -
2017-09-30 23:53 TheMefisto: Что звучит логично
2017-09-30 23:55 Loreley: без изи мода достал
2017-09-30 23:55 Loreley: 00:33:522 (5,6,7) - но мне не понравился вот этот флоу
2017-09-30 23:55 TheMefisto: :thonking:
2017-09-30 23:56 TheMefisto: Ага, это я знаю
2017-09-30 23:56 TheMefisto: Но оно тип так задумывалось +-
2017-09-30 23:56 Loreley: тогда все
2017-09-30 23:57 TheMefisto: ХСы еще поправил немного
2017-09-30 23:57 TheMefisto: Буквально пару штук
2017-09-30 23:57 TheMefisto: Спасибо о/
2017-09-30 23:58 Loreley: о
2017-09-30 23:58 Loreley: кстати
2017-09-30 23:58 Loreley: хп выше поставь
2017-09-30 23:58 Loreley: 6
2017-09-30 23:58 Loreley: пусть чуток челенджем будет
2017-09-30 23:58 TheMefisto: Да, но тут везде бы поднять
2017-09-30 23:58 TheMefisto: А то на 3 последних диффах он 5
2017-09-30 23:58 Loreley: да
2017-09-30 23:58 Loreley: ну вам об этом скажут
2017-09-30 23:58 Loreley: скорее всего
2017-09-30 23:59 TheMefisto: 5,5 поставлю пока
2017-09-30 23:59 TheMefisto: С оглядкой на то, что на ласт диффу можно будет ставить 6
2017-09-30 23:59 Loreley: я бы поставил 8 :D
2017-09-30 23:59 Loreley: пусть учатся играть
TheMefisto
updoot
osu file format v14

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BeatDivisor: 4
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[Metadata]
Title:Hakushu Kassai Uta Awase
TitleUnicode:拍手喝采歌合
Artist:Sati Akura
ArtistUnicode:Sati Akura
Creator:-Rmdy
Version:TheMefisto's Light Insane
Source:刀語
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Thanks!!
Seijiro
let's see...

Mefisto:
  1. 00:13:935 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10) - this part feels like the same rhythm repeated 3 times to me: take 00:13:935 (1,2,3) - (and 4's head) and that makes
    the first instance, rest just gets repeated, so imo you should put 00:15:103 (4) - circle here; 00:16:327 (7) - again circle here; 00:16:786 - and your characteristic 1/4 slider here. I would screen this, but it's a mess visually.
    The point is that you should try to keep consistency here
  2. 00:33:701 (6) - umh... this feels kind of an overmap to me, since you didn't do it for 00:27:953 - for example. Considering this is a Light Insane, I'rd rather not overmap like this :roll:
  3. 01:18:072 (1) - seeing everything is slow here you don't really need a NC. Same for 01:04:060 (1) - perhaps
Insane:
  1. 00:25:545 (1) - maybe silence the end, considering it's not used as a beat, right?
  2. 00:58:941 (2,3,4,1,2,3,4,1) - this feels a bit unclean with those curves like that. Maybe try to make them straight lines? Or just similar curves is fine too
Hyper:
  1. 00:23:532 - break would be nice
  2. 01:01:186 (1) - wild NC xD I mean, just this slider is a combo on its own so it feels kinda strange lol
  3. 01:08:731 (1,2,1,2,3,4,1) - inconsistent comboing with ^
  4. 01:26:336 (1,1) - no need for these NCs either. For some reason you started using more of them in the ending :roll:
  5. 01:23:821 (1) - same ^
  6. 01:29:569 (1) - same ^ (basically, music's stanzas)
Advanced:
  1. 00:35:677 (1,2,3,4) - rip hitsounds. Put Normal clap on heads and soft clap on tails, it should work better // 01:15:917 (1,2,3,4) - same, but first two slider tails can even be without clap
  2. 01:09:450 (1) - no need for NC. Also, it works better as just a circle.
    The current slider is misleading the player with a different rhythm than the song, so in this case it's better to not map it at all
  3. 01:12:504 (4) - after thinking about this for a while I concluded it is better to just do what you did above ^. 1/2 slider from 01:12:683 - works better
  4. 01:23:821 (1) - no need for NC. On lower diffs you just need to keep the constant 4/1 combo or 8/1, depending on the speed. Highlighting patterns with new combos is a bit useless here since we already have few objects per combo
Normal:
  1. 00:32:084 (6) - clap from tail is kinda loud, it feels better without it // 01:23:821 (4) - same

ayy
TheMefisto

MrSergio wrote:

TheMefisto:
  1. 00:13:935 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10) - this part feels like the same rhythm repeated 3 times to me: take 00:13:935 (1,2,3) - (and 4's head) and that makes
    the first instance, rest just gets repeated, so imo you should put 00:15:103 (4) - circle here; I don't really think it's a good idea coz circle instead of slider kinda ruin long vocal phrase here
    00:16:327 (7) - again circle here; Same reason
    00:16:786 - and your characteristic 1/4 slider here. That sounds pretty mess, but I agree that there is the end of vocal, so I increase this slider 00:16:327 (7) - to 00:16:786 - . Also increase spacing between 00:16:939 (8,9,10) - to make it more readable with new circle placement
    I would screen this, but it's a mess visually. The point is that you should try to keep consistency here
  2. 00:33:701 (6) - umh... this feels kind of an overmap to me, since you didn't do it for 00:27:953 - for example. Considering this is a Light Insane, I'rd rather not overmap like this :roll: Actually there is the same (semi-strong) drum sounds 00:33:342 (4,6,8) - but here is not 00:27:953 -
  3. 01:18:072 (1) - seeing everything is slow here you don't really need a NC. Same for 01:04:060 (1) - perhaps Agree, done

ayy l m a o
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Topic Starter
-Rmdy

MrSergio wrote:

let's see... :eyes:

Insane:
  1. 00:25:545 (1) - maybe silence the end, considering it's not used as a beat, right? sure
  2. 00:58:941 (2,3,4,1,2,3,4,1) - this feels a bit unclean with those curves like that. Maybe try to make them straight lines? Or just similar curves is fine too ye changed
Hyper:
  1. 00:23:532 - break would be nice sure
  2. 01:01:186 (1) - wild NC xD I mean, just this slider is a combo on its own so it feels kinda strange lol lol true. changed
  3. 01:08:731 (1,2,1,2,3,4,1) - inconsistent comboing with ^ such a silly mistake. made them consistent
  4. 01:26:336 (1,1) - no need for these NCs either. For some reason you started using more of them in the ending :roll: I'll remove second nc to be consistent with 00:34:599 (1,2,3,4,5) - this
  5. 01:23:821 (1) - same ^ I don't know about this, I NCed sliders/streams everywhere, and I feel like I shuld NC them
  6. 01:29:569 (1) - same ^ (basically, music's stanzas) well, I think it should be NCed, since it rhythm change
    Also 00:31:366 (1) - added nc here to be consistent with 01:23:102 (1) -
Advanced:
  1. 00:35:677 (1,2,3,4) - rip hitsounds. Put Normal clap on heads and soft clap on tails, it should work better // 01:15:917 (1,2,3,4) - same, but first two slider tails can even be without clap ye, I actually like it more
  2. 01:09:450 (1) - no need for NC. Also, it works better as just a circle. changed to circles and removed nc
    The current slider is misleading the player with a different rhythm than the song, so in this case it's better to not map it at all
  3. 01:12:504 (4) - after thinking about this for a while I concluded it is better to just do what you did above ^. 1/2 slider from 01:12:683 - works better okay, changed
  4. 01:23:821 (1) - no need for NC. On lower diffs you just need to keep the constant 4/1 combo or 8/1, depending on the speed. Highlighting patterns with new combos is a bit useless here since we already have few objects per combo Alright, changed
Normal:
  1. 00:32:084 (6) - clap from tail is kinda loud, it feels better without it // 01:23:821 (4) - same changed

ayy lmao
riffy
Mefisto
  1. 00:23:029 (1) - вот такие штуки я бы глушил, слайдерслайд реально раздражает/отвлекает
  2. 00:33:522 (5,6,7,8) - а тут я бы заменил на два 1/2 слайдеера, там очень четкие клавишные и когда там на фоне что-то еще бренчит кругами, клавиши кажутся невыразительными.
  3. 00:36:755 (7,1) - я бы запутался, лучше вниз круг подвинуть, чтоб совсем всем было понятно, куда и что вести. Инсейн-то лайтовый.
  4. 00:55:078 (3,4) - нормлаьно спейсинг шел, не сжимай его тут. Разожми как у 1-2-3
  5. 01:15:917 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8) - как-то не очень оно лайт, по-моему. Тут точно нужен этот стрим?

    Seems pretty gooj, just a couple things here and there.
TheMefisto

Bakari wrote:

THEMefisto
  1. 00:23:029 (1) - вот такие штуки я бы глушил, слайдерслайд реально раздражает/отвлекает Добавили тишину в интро
  2. 00:33:522 (5,6,7,8) - а тут я бы заменил на два 1/2 слайдеера, там очень четкие клавишные и когда там на фоне что-то еще бренчит кругами, клавиши кажутся невыразительными. По-моему, как раз-таки четкие клавиши падают на 00:33:881 (7,8) - , так что отдельными нажатиями даже более выразительно получается. Да и ударные не попадают на всякие хвосты, что тоже хорошо
  3. 00:36:755 (7,1) - я бы запутался, лучше вниз круг подвинуть, чтоб совсем всем было понятно, куда и что вести. Инсейн-то лайтовый. Оно как раз меньше путать будет, если останется наверху. Тут получается "зигзаг", если посмотреть на головы этих слайдеров 00:36:216 (5,6,7,1) -
  4. 00:55:078 (3,4) - нормлаьно спейсинг шел, не сжимай его тут. Разожми как у 1-2-3 Это было сложно, на самом деле, оно и так внизу экрана было. Но я пофиксил, да
  5. 01:15:917 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8) - как-то не очень оно лайт, по-моему. Тут точно нужен этот стрим? Это хороший переход от хупера к инсейну. Да и это всего 9 нот на низком бпм (<170), так что да, нужен

    Seems pretty gooj, just a couple things here and there.
Спасибо~

candy
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Seijiro
it feels still a bit rough around the edges but the general idea is cool and I don't mind it seeing it's a first rank.
Let's get it moving~


low diffs in specific can be a bit more polished but in a general meaning, aka "map more" and you'll improve that aspect
Topic Starter
-Rmdy
yay, thanks

now I need to find another one
Lasse
as requested

pop is for improper hitsound files (both 41ms):
soft-sliderslide2.wav
soft-slidertick.wav

replace them with https://up.ppy.sh/files/blank.wav

hitsounding
00:18:850 - finish sounds really unfitting here, either nothing or soft-whistle fit better
00:20:351 (5) - 00:21:948 - ^
01:16:636 (1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4) - could probably be changed to drum claps since it's suddenly toms and not snares
01:18:791 - whistle might sound cute for transition to piano

insane
00:33:701 (2,1) - would look much cleaner if direction from before was kept on the overlap https://i.imgur.com/MDAP2kj.jpg
map itself seems okay, but you should try to use more of the playfield in the future as it's very center focused

mefisto
00:03:083 (2) - consistent snapping with other diffs pls
00:37:114 (1) - spacing similar to before would make more sense (or even a bit more), sudden low spacing seems really unfitting

hyper
01:03:701 (2,1,2) - gets broken by autostacking

advanced
seems to make more sense to rename to hard with all the passive 1/4 gaps etc.

normal
01:16:096 (1) - this spinner feels so unfitting without any big change or held sound or whatever in the song to support it :/
(also missing hs on end of it, but I think mapping it normally like on higher diff would be better)
[]

yea I can rebubble after the unrankable hitsound things are fixed
Topic Starter
-Rmdy

Lasse wrote:

as requested

pop is for improper hitsound files (both 41ms):
soft-sliderslide2.wav
soft-slidertick.wav

replace them with https://up.ppy.sh/files/blank.wav
Oh god I didn't know about that. Thanks. Changed

hitsounding
00:18:850 - finish sounds really unfitting here, either nothing or soft-whistle fit better
00:20:351 (5) - 00:21:948 - ^ All changed to whistles
01:16:636 (1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4) - could probably be changed to drum claps since it's suddenly toms and not snares Sounds good. Changed
01:18:791 - whistle might sound cute for transition to piano agree. added

insane
00:33:701 (2,1) - would look much cleaner if direction from before was kept on the overlap https://i.imgur.com/MDAP2kj.jpg Okay, changed
map itself seems okay, but you should try to use more of the playfield in the future as it's very center focused I always try to, but it feels unnatural to force yourself to use weird patterns for the sake of using full playfield. Moreover it's just a tv-size, so it's double-hard

hyper
01:03:701 (2,1,2) - gets broken by autostacking Oh, changed
Edit: I reconsidered to remove nc 00:37:833 (2) - 01:29:569 (2) - here (from MrSergio's mod), since 00:37:114 (1) - this is slider, so I'm not sure if I should count it as rhythm change. Moreover 01:02:983 (1,2) - here is similar rhythm with sliders, and there is no nc

advanced
seems to make more sense to rename to hard with all the passive 1/4 gaps etc. Makes sense. Changed
Also removed 01:17:354 (1,2) - normal-hitfinishes from slider ends, since I forgot to remove them earlier when changed pattern

normal
01:16:096 (1) - this spinner feels so unfitting without any big change or held sound or whatever in the song to support it :/ ye, changed
(also missing hs on end of it, but I think mapping it normally like on higher diff would be better)
[]

yea I can rebubble after the unrankable hitsound things are fixed Yay
Thanks! I will update all together when mefisto apply/deny Edit: everything updated
TheMefisto

Lasse wrote:

mefisto
00:03:083 (2) - consistent snapping with other diffs pls I have no idea how it happened lol, fixed
00:37:114 (1) - spacing similar to before would make more sense (or even a bit more), sudden low spacing seems really unfitting Ye, made similar spacing
Thanks~

waifu
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Seijiro
mfw I checked hitsounds and I didn't have them all, wuuuut
Lasse
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Seijiro
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Topic Starter
-Rmdy


Thanks everyone!
Special thanks to MeSergio for motivating me to move this for ranked!
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tatemae
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Shmiklak
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Sieg
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Marmowka
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Ayana Hana
Artist confirmation:



Also i think you must use this romanised title, like on offical YT video:

hakushu kassai utaawase
Nelly

Loreley wrote:

привет
Topic Starter
-Rmdy

Lama Poluna wrote:

Artist confirmation:



Also i think you must use this romanised title, like on offical YT video:

hakushu kassai utaawase
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irc with bakari
22:37 Bakari: Что там с метадатой* 
22:39 -Rmdy: Ну, теги и сурс брал с ранкнутых
22:39 -Rmdy: Тайтл вроде тоже
22:39 -Rmdy: Артиста с ютуба
22:52 Bakari: Ссылочки покидай,я туплю
22:53 *-Rmdy is listening to [https://osu.ppy.sh/b/746772 supercell - Hakushu Kassai Utaawase (TV Edit)]
22:54 -Rmdy: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C3D_Vcs0nfk
22:55 Bakari: Из описания к видео
22:55 Bakari: https://yadi.sk/d/usy4Q-r4352Kh4
22:55 Bakari: Смотри
22:55 Bakari: Ты же этот мп3 пезал?
22:55 Bakari: резал
22:55 Bakari: Тогда Sati Akura - Hakushu Kassai Uta Awase
22:55 -Rmdy: Ну, не я его резал
22:56 -Rmdy: Хм
22:56 -Rmdy: Окей
22:58 Bakari: Ну, исполнитель нигде не дает TV edit
22:59 Bakari: и этот русский трек на тв не появлялся
22:59 Bakari: комбо цвета потерял
23:01 -Rmdy: То есть TV edit убрать?
23:01 -Rmdy: Это же обрезанная версия
23:01 -Rmdy: Комбо цвета да, ща добавлю че-нибудь
23:02 Bakari: Кто ее резал-то? Исполнитель?
23:02 Bakari: Если есть официальный тайтл на ЭТУ версию
23:02 -Rmdy: Не исполнитель
23:02 Bakari: где исполнитель или лейбл или еще что-то такое и прописывается
23:02 Bakari: TV Edit
23:02 Bakari: Тогда да
23:03 -Rmdy: А как тогда?
23:03 -Rmdy: Без всего?
23:03 Bakari: Ну, кто мп3 резал?
23:03 -Rmdy: Шерричерри
23:03 Bakari: Ну это же не исполнитель
23:04 Bakari: Это уже вы в подвале кусачками покалечили мп3
23:04 Bakari: Остается официальный тайтл и метадата от русского исполнителя
23:04 Bakari: т.е. просто без всяких скобок
23:04 -Rmdy: А то что обрезано нигде не надо указывать?
23:05 Bakari: В тегах если только
23:05 Bakari: short cut tv edit size
23:05 -Rmdy: Окей

For non-russians: Official Sati's video of this song;
In the description there is download link: https://yadi.sk/d/usy4Q-r4352Kh4 ;
And there it is: Sati Akura - Hakushu Kassai Uta Awase

I would trust Bakari for this one
Ayana Hana
she don't make this song, and also romanised is not correct. "Uta Awase" should be "Utaawase".
but most importantly use official romanisation "hakushu kassai utaawase"
Bakari nothing know about Japanese metadata.
riffy

Lama Poluna wrote:

Bakari nothing know about Japanese metadata.
That is a pretty bald claim to make, especially when we refer to a cover made by some Russian fans. I'd really appreciate it if you could mind the statements you make in this regard.

Anyways, Lama Poluna, why would you refer to the official supercell's video? This makes no sense as we're speaking about the Russian cover version here. Hence, we take the information from the person directly producing the particular mp3 we map. Which, in its turn, proves the metadata we use to be correct.
Monstrata
Lama Poluna's concern is that while the Artist changes, the title should not. If you do a cover for a song, why would you also change the title of that song?

The title of the song appears to be in lower case according to supercell's official youtube video, so the question is: "Do we use the original song's title, or do we use the title provided by the covered version". I think it's a fair question.

http://www.sonymusic.co.jp/artist/super ... /SRCL-8284

Adding on, according to supercell's website, there is a specific metadata for a short version (TV Edit) and this version is a tv-size version. If you cut the mp3 in a way that mimics the official tv-edit version it makes sense to call it (TV Edit).


Proposed metadata:

Title: 拍手喝采歌合 (TV Edit)
Romanized Title: hakushu kassai utaawase (TV Edit)
riffy
We'll be contacting the artist directly for the confirmation/correction of the title, discussing that with Monstrata right now.
Ayana Hana
thanks Monstrata
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I write on offical Sati's group about it, forward to the answer.

riffy
Can you just ask them directly for the correct metadata for this particular map? This would make much more sense, in this context.
Ayana Hana


She agree that it is a misprint.
riffy
Just confirming, that the artist indeed agrees and the change needs to be made. Since we change the official metadata given by the cover artist, we need to change the metadata here as well.

summary of the screenshots above
Lama basically explains that there is a mistake in the metadata, the artist agrees. Most of the stuff written by Lama is summary of their concerns that are already posted in the thread.
Artist just agrees and comments on the way things were stated.

tl;dr, the artist is changing the metadata, and so should we.

changes that both me and Lama agree upon:

Artist: Sati Akura
Title: hakushu kassai utaawase

Refer to this video and the screenshots above for confirmation
Topic Starter
-Rmdy
So I guess I would change romanised title to just hakushu kassai utaawase, right? I personally don't think there should be (TV Edit) in title since this cut isn't accurate with original tv edit
riffy
The TV edit part shouldn't be used as the cut of Russian cover is NOT official and we shouldn't mislead people into thinking this was broadcast on TV in Russia
tatemae
/popcorn
Kilabarus

Loreley wrote:

/popcorn
Monstrata

Bakari wrote:

The TV edit part shouldn't be used as the cut of Russian cover is NOT official and we shouldn't mislead people into thinking this was broadcast on TV in Russia
Agreed. Talked with Lama Poluna. Good to see the situation was resolved.
Irreversible
Hi! DQ to fix up the mentioned things.
Topic Starter
-Rmdy
Updated
Lasse

Lasse wrote:

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Seijiro

MrSergio wrote:

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#blameIrre

Also, Metadata Assurance Team when
tatemae
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Ayana Hana
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EijiKuinbii

Lama Poluna wrote:

гратц!
Nelly

Lama Poluna wrote:

гратц!
Dendy

Lama Poluna wrote:

гратц!
Djulus
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Topic Starter
-Rmdy
Спасибо за поздравления :roll:
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