ClariS - SHIORI -TV size mix- [CatchTheBeat] · forum

Xinnoh

Elite Mapper

Joined April 2014

Topic Starter

Xinnoh 2017-10-20T11:52:47+00:00

Here lie's Ascendance's hopes and dreams of becoming a bn

Ascendance wrote:
oh boy my favorite mappers and sinnoh something something code of conduct

checking unrankables is for 2016 kids we in 2017 bitch

cup:
turn down your fucking sv what the hell is this shit does this improve anything
yea ok please turn it down if u have to do this there is a mistake 00:08:611 (1) - ???
00:19:520 (1) - x:200 feels better for me, seems far rn ok
00:21:566 (4,1) - im tilted plz make them the same shape or at least make a nicer curve
00:34:520 (4,5) - i seek death
01:04:520 (3,4,5) - not a fan of these structures in a cup, just a 3/2 repeat slider would work for these the held vocals are too strong for me to ignore +
it's reasonable to increase density a bit after player gets used to playing ctb
ok it plays fine but the sv is whack and the kiai is dense
salad:
from the beginning until 00:11:339 - all dashes are on the right side lets fix that up 00:05:884 (1) - is on the left side
00:35:202 (2,3,4,5,1,2,3,1,2,3,4,5) - no breaks ? tooooo dense fixed
00:52:930 (3,4,5,6) - not recommended for a salad there's no reasoning, it's very subjective and I don't see why it should change
00:57:702 - you used a spinner here for cup so you should probably do it for salad too no?
if you don't, 00:59:748 (2) - is really ugly and needs to be fixed. the shape is bad and ends too close to the wall. this is pretty much the same as all of my other sliders
01:24:975 - add a note here and push the spinner 1/2 back i prefer as is, else spinner is too short
difficulty is way too dense compared to the cup. needs to be chopped up a lot you only gave one specific point why
platter:
00:02:305 - slider should probably start here since there's another syllable and it's held and you could make 00:02:134 - a circle
00:09:464 (2,3) - no hdashes until here randomly why removed
00:14:066 (1,2,3) - could use a 3-4 grid reduction, a bit too far for me reduced
00:59:748 (2,3) - a bit too cramped, 01:00:089 (3) - x314 would be ok. also a slight move away from the wall for 01:00:430 (1) - and some tilt is nice too. both done
01:06:907 (4) - strong noise and complete standstill out of a big movement is a question mark for me new vocal contrasts previous movements
starting from this difficulty, the spinner at 01:27:702 (1) - is inconsistent with the salad and cup. idk why tho lol different patterns fit different density
rain:
00:10:827 (3,4) - squished against the wall, move it away plz it just got a lot harder without the hdash but ok
00:12:191 (4,5,6,1) - this is definitely a nono tbh, rains shouldn't require such precise movements at all. just one hdash between the last notes is fine made it harder but applied
00:13:725 (2,3,4,5) - reduce spacing, this acceleration into the next note is cancer for sure thanks
00:30:430 (1) - wall changed
00:52:930 (3,4) - 4 being antiflow plays like butt, just reverse that shit you play like butt
00:57:702 (1,2) - definitely needs a reduction of maybe 4-6 grids ok
01:13:725 (5,6,7,8) - you have two gods of aesthetic mapping on your set and you made this and their diff affects mine because?
nice diff but so much near the wall and that stream is death

Nokashi

304 posts

Joined December 2014

Nokashi 2017-12-12T12:56:40+00:00

Hello!!

First check as BN Hype

General

Consider adding "ending" to tags, for convenience's sake, since it could be a word this map might get searched with, as thisis the ending of the respective anime

Cup

00:08:611 (1) - Regarding this object, even though I like the movement it expresses, it feels offputting to me to have 00:09:975 - this sound land on a sliderend, with no movement leading to it whatsoever. It also contrasts with with the previous pattern a bit, which utilized a rhythm that made 00:07:248 - stand out more
00:23:611 (4,5) - If you wanted to have one of these sliders be more movement restristing that the other, I would suggest ctrl-g'ing the rhythm here. If I were you I would keep both sliders to a relatively horizontal state shape wise , since the vocal doesnt die down or anything, and extra movement is always nice in cups
00:26:168 - Personally I would consider mapping this note. Might seem too dense to you but when this note connects the verse together so theres more coherence with how you follow vocals
00:27:020 (4) - I dont really agree with this somewhat vertical slider though. Looking back at how you handled sliders with this bell/chime sound effect on them here 00:21:566 (4) - it would be more consistent to me for this to have more movement to it to emphasize the sound
00:31:793 (3,4) - A similar vocal was expressed in the previous pattern with horizontal placements offering more movement so its kinda awkward to limit the movement here with vertical slider placements. Added to that, consider this rhythm for the certain part instead. Ticker starting on 00:31:452 -
00:35:202 (8,1) - I find this rather underemphasized. Most of your jumps to dowbeats were in the 1.20x-1.40x DS range but this drops to 0.94x DS. Would be nice to see more spacing here
00:41:339 (1,2) - These 2 could benefit from a 0.10-0.15x DS increase considering the vocal strength the express and the overall pace of this part
01:07:248 (4,5,6) - Really like the rhythm here however more movement could be encouraged to better express the intensity of this part
01:16:452 (7,1) - Would offer nice emphasis if there was a direction change here instead of a linear movement that contrasts the previous 4 circle pattern
01:23:611 (3,4) - As the climax to the kiai it seems lackluster to me to have such weak movement. I would consider more horizontal sliders instead

Overall pretty clean cup!

Salad

00:15:600 (1,2) - these 2 sliders have a more energetic 1/2 to them rather than 1/1, so I would recommend mapping the 1/2 instead, either in the form of slider -> circle or a 1/2 reverse. Up to you
00:28:895 (3,4) - 00:31:452 (3,1) - 00:34:350 (3,1) - 00:32:986 (5,1) - 00:35:714 (5,1) - : Regarding those dashes, i would recommend a small distance increase, right now they at the point where they could be walked, but also if they are dashes, the curved nature of the following slider could result in droplet drops. Since they stand of the minimum distancing for dashing, a powerful dash might knock the player a bit off course. tried with 0.5-0.10x DS increase and was pretty neat
00:59:748 (2) - This kinda ruined it for me in a sense that you executed the build up in a really nice way and then this slider kills all accumulated movement due to its vertical nature. Id suggest reconsidering its placement
01:22:930 (2) - I'd suggest the more spaced triple variant here to better emphasize the vocal buildup

Woah, I really like this salad!

Platter

00:11:339 - Up to here, you should definitely reconsider your HDash structure. Ever since your introduced the HDash on a well deserved sound, 3 more similar sounds appeared, which were either normal dash or borderline walks (00:07:248 - 00:08:611 - 00:09:975 - ). I would justify if you used 2/1 HDash structure if you thought 1/1 HDash structure would be too dense, however here you only placed one HDash. Consider adding another HDash here 00:08:441 (4,1) - ( 2/1 HDash structure) or on all the previously mentioned timestamps (1/1 structure)
00:16:111 (3,4,5,6,7,8) - The editor is quite constricting towards expanding this pattern more, but i think a more distanced movement towards (4) would emphasize the climax of the buildup well. Maybe a curve on the stream will allow just that?
00:28:895 (4,1) - 00:31:452 (3,1) - 00:34:180 (4,1) - Even though these arent HDash, they should still be more prominent dashes. A Distance buff would help them be just that!
00:37:759 (4,5) - I wouldnt really connect this with the previous 4 note string as it is relatively strong, a larger distance here would accentuate its strength better
01:07:248 (1,2,3,4) - I'd expect something more intense here, considering the fact that you used a really similar pattern in the beginning of the platter here00:11:339 (1,2,3,4) - , which was a relatively weaker spot. As such, more horizontality and emphasis on more movement in the slider would help this pattern in the kiai to stand out more
01:24:975 (1,2,3,4,5) - Again here, something more intense to finish off the climax of the song would be more fitting

Overall, really nice platter as well, just that structure inconsistency in the beginning, but other than that, neato

Rain

00:12:361 (5) - Consider moving this to somwhere like x:339 to remove some emphasis on the previous normal dash and istead place more on the HDash
00:16:111 (2,3) - This is somewhat underwhelming as a movement, id suggest increasing it to emphasize this strong sound more, as with all the others in this sequence
00:32:475 (3,4) - Would be more interesting if there was more movement incorporated here, something more than a vertical slider.
00:52:930 (3,4) - Consider spread these out more on the playfield, right now they have some potential to bring out this 1/3 rhythm thats new to the song, but they are visually cluttered making it hard to do so
01:11:680 (2,3) - Also HDash here would play nicely and follow the same pattern as 01:10:657 (3) - which also had a HDash leading up to it

neat

Kaitlin & Spec's Rain

Spectator

00:05:543 - Leaving this unmapped removes all possible emphasis on 00:05:884 (1) - and the possibility of a really nice HDash to lead to 00:05:884 (1) - . As such i would recommend a 1/2 slider starting here 00:05:543 - followed by a HDash
00:08:270 (3,1) - Well, since 00:09:634 (6,1) - is a HDash, the fact that 00:08:270 (3,1) - doesnt make the buildup that nice, you could either turn 00:08:270 (3,1) - in to a normal dash, or a HDash as well. Up to you
00:14:918 (2,1) - In order to better map the buildup you could turn this into a HDash.
00:15:600 (3) - Also, in order to be consistent with your NC structure here, This should be NCed, will also help avoid some unwanted object clutter during the stream here 00:16:111 (4,5,6,7,8,9) -
00:32:475 (3,4,5,6) - Would have hoped to see a more dynamic movement here when mapping the vocals. Maybe a more horizontal slider or something
00:34:009 - Seems awkward that this is not mapped, circle would fit nicely and improve the overall flow
01:01:452 (7,8) - I'd Personally slant these by 10-15 degrees ( 01:01:452 (7) : -15 degrees, 01:01:623 (8) : 15 degrees for example) a bit so they are more vertical, having such a sharp placement after a strainful jump section could result in some sad drops.
01:12:361 (4,5) - Slight distancing buff here will improve flow and emphasize this movement that part of a really intense pattern

Kaitlin

00:24:975 (1) - more movement would be nice here. This slider plays almost like a standstill and that doesnt really reflect the vocals nicely
00:39:975 (1,2,3,4) - Since you do follow vocal, I would turn this into 2 1/2 sliders and offer a bit more movement inbetween, as a way to group the vocal sounds
01:24:123 (2,3) - I find this really forced a movement, could be how vertical (3), resulting in a really snappy movement from the previous HDash, I would consider making it a bit more horizontal to ease the movement

Very nice Set, apply these and then you may call me back!

Spectator

Elite Mapper: Aspirant

1,780 posts

Joined February 2011

Spectator 2017-12-13T01:37:32+00:00

Nokashi wrote:
Hello!!

First check as BN Hype

Kaitlin & Spec's Rain

Spectator

00:05:543 - Leaving this unmapped removes all possible emphasis on 00:05:884 (1) - and the possibility of a really nice HDash to lead to 00:05:884 (1) - . As such i would recommend a 1/2 slider starting here 00:05:543 - followed by a HDash Fixed but without HDash since I want to keep it without
00:08:270 (3,1) - Well, since 00:09:634 (6,1) - is a HDash, the fact that 00:08:270 (3,1) - doesnt make the buildup that nice, you could either turn 00:08:270 (3,1) - in to a normal dash, or a HDash as well. Up to you Added a clear jump!
00:14:918 (2,1) - In order to better map the buildup you could turn this into a HDash. Sure
00:15:600 (3) - Also, in order to be consistent with your NC structure here, This should be NCed, will also help avoid some unwanted object clutter during the stream here 00:16:111 (4,5,6,7,8,9) - Done!
00:32:475 (3,4,5,6) - Would have hoped to see a more dynamic movement here when mapping the vocals. Maybe a more horizontal slider or something Fixed
00:34:009 - Seems awkward that this is not mapped, circle would fit nicely and improve the overall flow There's a clear break of vocal between them so I'd like to keep it for now
01:01:452 (7,8) - I'd Personally slant these by 10-15 degrees ( 01:01:452 (7) : -15 degrees, 01:01:623 (8) : 15 degrees for example) a bit so they are more vertical, having such a sharp placement after a strainful jump section could result in some sad drops. Done
01:12:361 (4,5) - Slight distancing buff here will improve flow and emphasize this movement that part of a really intense pattern Yep sure

Very nice Set, apply these and then you may call me back!

Thanks for the mod!

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Xinnoh

Elite Mapper

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Joined April 2014

Topic Starter

Xinnoh 2017-12-13T03:09:16+00:00

Nokashi wrote:
Hello!!

First check as BN Hype

General
Consider adding "ending" to tags, for convenience's sake, since it could be a word this map might get searched with, as thisis the ending of the respective anime

Cup
00:08:611 (1) - Regarding this object, even though I like the movement it expresses, it feels offputting to me to have 00:09:975 - this sound land on a sliderend, with no movement leading to it whatsoever. It also contrasts with with the previous pattern a bit, which utilized a rhythm that made 00:07:248 - stand out more dude it’s just rhythm variation, almost nothing changes since there’s so little density that having object is enough to emphasise.
00:23:611 (4,5) - If you wanted to have one of these sliders be more movement restricting that the other, I would suggest ctrl-g'ing the rhythm here. If I were you I would keep both sliders to a relatively horizontal state shape wise , since the vocal doesnt die down or anything, and extra movement is always nice in cups I don’t understand how this improves anything
00:26:168 - Personally I would consider mapping this note. Might seem too dense to you but when this note connects the verse together so theres more coherence with how you follow vocals better consistency with the next section
00:27:020 (4) - I dont really agree with this somewhat vertical slider though. Looking back at how you handled sliders with this bell/chime sound effect on them here 00:21:566 (4) - it would be more consistent to me for this to have more movement to it to emphasize the sound vocal is decreasing intensity here
00:31:793 (3,4) - A similar vocal was expressed in the previous pattern with horizontal placements offering more movement so its kinda awkward to limit the movement here with vertical slider placements. Added to that, consider this rhythm for the certain part instead. Ticker starting on 00:31:452 - Having these also be horizontal is wayy to repetitive.
00:35:202 (8,1) - I find this rather underemphasized. Most of your jumps to downbeats were in the 1.20x-1.40x DS range but this drops to 0.94x DS. Would be nice to see more spacing here that’s the point, vocal decreases intensity.
00:41:339 (1,2) - These 2 could benefit from a 0.10-0.15x DS increase considering the vocal strength the express and the overall pace of this part sure
01:07:248 (4,5,6) - Really like the rhythm here however more movement could be encouraged to better express the intensity of this part Rhythm increases so spacing decreases, if I spike both rhythm and spacing it’s too hard.
01:16:452 (7,1) - Would offer nice emphasis if there was a direction change here instead of a linear movement that contrasts the previous 4 circle pattern The pattern is already doing this??
01:23:611 (3,4) - As the climax to the kiai it seems lackluster to me to have such weak movement. I would consider more horizontal sliders instead would be too repetitive
Overall pretty clean cup!

Salad
00:15:600 (1,2) - these 2 sliders have a more energetic 1/2 to them rather than 1/1, so I would recommend mapping the 1/2 instead, either in the form of slider -> circle or a 1/2 reverse. Up to you sure
00:28:895 (3,4) - 00:31:452 (3,1) - 00:34:350 (3,1) - 00:32:986 (5,1) - 00:35:714 (5,1) - : Regarding those dashes, i would recommend a small distance increase, right now they at the point where they could be walked, but also if they are dashes, the curved nature of the following slider could result in droplet drops. Since they stand of the minimum distancing for dashing, a powerful dash might knock the player a bit off course. tried with 0.5-0.10x DS increase and was pretty neat It is humanly possible to walk, but no one is going to do that. Keeping slightly low for playability
00:59:748 (2) - This kinda ruined it for me in a sense that you executed the build up in a really nice way and then this slider kills all accumulated movement due to its vertical nature. Id suggest reconsidering its placement changed
01:22:930 (2) - I'd suggest the more spaced triple variant here to better emphasize the vocal buildup [btilted slider a bit[/b]
Woah, I really like this salad!

Platter
00:11:339 - Up to here, you should definitely reconsider your HDash structure. Ever since your introduced the HDash on a well deserved sound, 3 more similar sounds appeared, which were either normal dash or borderline walks (00:07:248 - 00:08:611 - 00:09:975 - ). I would justify if you used 2/1 HDash structure if you thought 1/1 HDash structure would be too dense, however here you only placed one HDash. Consider adding another HDash here 00:08:441 (4,1) - ( 2/1 HDash structure) or on all the previously mentioned timestamps (1/1 structure) pls read sc4v’s mod, intentionally nerfed for platter purposes
00:16:111 (3,4,5,6,7,8) - The editor is quite constricting towards expanding this pattern more, but i think a more distanced movement towards (4) would emphasize the climax of the buildup well. Maybe a curve on the stream will allow just that? prefer the way the pattern plays
00:28:895 (4,1) - 00:31:452 (3,1) - 00:34:180 (4,1) - Even though these arent HDash, they should still be more prominent dashes. A Distance buff would help them be just that! increased a little, third is fine
00:37:759 (4,5) - I wouldnt really connect this with the previous 4 note string as it is relatively strong, a larger distance here would accentuate its strength better They aren’t connected because you changed direction on 5
01:07:248 (1,2,3,4) - I'd expect something more intense here, considering the fact that you used a really similar pattern in the beginning of the platter here00:11:339 (1,2,3,4) - , which was a relatively weaker spot. As such, more horizontality and emphasis on more movement in the slider would help this pattern in the kiai to stand out more already had to nerf this section for playability, buffing would be too hard.
01:24:975 (1,2,3,4,5) - Again here, something more intense to finish off the climax of the song would be more fitting unique pattern is enough emphasis
Overall, really nice platter as well, just that structure inconsistency in the beginning, but other than that, neato

Rain
00:12:361 (5) - Consider moving this to somwhere like x:339 to remove some emphasis on the previous normal dash and istead place more on the HDash it's a buildup, this used to be an h-dash
00:16:111 (2,3) - This is somewhat underwhelming as a movement, id suggest increasing it to emphasize this strong sound more, as with all the others in this sequence ok
00:32:475 (3,4) - Would be more interesting if there was more movement incorporated here, something more than a vertical slider. too many things to follow, prefer as is.
00:52:930 (3,4) - Consider spread these out more on the playfield, right now they have some potential to bring out this 1/3 rhythm thats new to the song, but they are visually cluttered making it hard to do so I only map random 1/3 bits with this pattern, 00:52:930 (3) - introduces the 1/3 rhythm, 00:53:270 (4) - makes you apply active 1/3 button mashing by doing a turnaround in the middle.
01:11:680 (2,3) - Also HDash here would play nicely and follow the same pattern as 01:10:657 (3) - which also had a HDash leading up to it vocal decreasing intensity + no violin change here
neat

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Dea ex machina

530 posts

Joined January 2014

Dea ex machina 2017-12-13T03:31:18+00:00

Nokashi wrote:
Kaitlin & Spec's Rain

Kaitlin

00:24:975 (1) - more movement would be nice here. This slider plays almost like a standstill and that doesnt really reflect the vocals nicely fix
00:39:975 (1,2,3,4) - Since you do follow vocal, I would turn this into 2 1/2 sliders and offer a bit more movement inbetween, as a way to group the vocal sounds im a fan of the curved circle idea i used, i think two 1/2 sliders really makes it seem bulky, not a fan
01:24:123 (2,3) - I find this really forced a movement, could be how vertical (3), resulting in a really snappy movement from the previous HDash, I would consider making it a bit more horizontal to ease the movement done

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Nokashi

304 posts

Joined December 2014

Nokashi 2017-12-13T17:04:46+00:00

Changes Look good! Bubbled!

Hareimu

611 posts

Joined March 2014

Hareimu 2017-12-13T17:11:58+00:00

popping the bubble until sinnoh can actually update the diffs with changes applied

Nokashi

304 posts

Joined December 2014

Nokashi 2017-12-13T17:13:01+00:00

Not sure what happened there but i swear i saw some changes...incredibly sorry for the inconvenience..

Spectator

Elite Mapper: Aspirant

1,780 posts

Joined February 2011

Spectator 2017-12-14T03:07:56+00:00

Ascendance wrote:
oh boy my favorite mappers and sinnoh

checking unrankables is for 2016 kids we in 2017 bitch

im in la where are you guys:
00:02:645 (4) - not a fan of the curve, a standard c would be nice. additionally, some distance between 00:02:645 (4,1) - would be helpful. looking fine to me
00:05:032 (2) - try x162 for a bit more emphasis k
00:06:566 (2,1) - there's a huge sound on 1 and it's pretty much a standstill between these two, definitely needs some fixing to better appropriate the emphasis of this section sure
00:08:270 (3,1) - could use an hdash considering you use it at 00:09:634 (6,1) - fixed
00:14:407 (2,1) - ah the edge dash feeling
00:14:918 (2,1) - ah the edge dash feeling (2) should be fine now
00:24:975 (1) - no thanks, please just try something like this
00:27:020 (3,4,5,6,1) - definitely needs some curve here, can catch 3,4,5 without moving
00:32:475 (3,4,5,6) - too close to the wall and not enough curved movement fixed
00:53:611 (1,1) - pretty large distance for a rain, could be reduced for sure
01:02:305 (1,1) - whystandstillwhystandstillwhystandstill BIG EMPHASIS no movement because no movement can also be an emphasis
good diff but there was a lot of silly stuff that i didn't really expect when i think of a spectator and fii collab
gl

thanks for mod!

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Dea ex machina

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Joined January 2014

Dea ex machina 2017-12-14T03:15:04+00:00

Ascendance wrote:
im in la where are you guys:
00:24:975 (1) - no thanks, please just try something like this already changed that
00:27:020 (3,4,5,6,1) - definitely needs some curve here, can catch 3,4,5 without moving the slowdown and gentle gradual curve is a nice effect going into the next pattern
00:53:611 (1,1) - pretty large distance for a rain, could be reduced for sure i tried a few different distances and none of them made a noticeable impact, the current one seems to be fine for me,.

thanks

Xinnoh

Elite Mapper

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Joined April 2014

Topic Starter

Xinnoh 2017-12-14T13:08:31+00:00

updated

Nokashi

304 posts

Joined December 2014

Nokashi 2017-12-14T22:29:47+00:00

We are back on track! Apologies yet again..

ZiRoX

Elite Mapper

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Joined November 2009

ZiRoX 2017-12-18T03:28:02+00:00

hello, testing

ZiRoX

Elite Mapper

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Joined November 2009

ZiRoX 2017-12-19T00:10:32+00:00

Popping mainly due to weird rhythm and emphasis choices in both Rains.

Time to check (for a 2nd time, thanks forum)

[Cup]

My main concern is that the non-Kiai sections have a lot of constant movement. Some sliders require near perfect walking depending on the timing of the player, and some of them are even coupled with antiflow movements. Therefore, I suggest decreasing the SV multiplier in non-Kiai sections and also decreasing the overall spacing by some 0.10-0.15x DS.
01:27:702 (1) - I'd move this a bit to the right to add some leniency should players take the route to the rightmost banana at the end.

[Salad]

On the section starting at 00:27:702 -, I don't think any of the 1/2 dashes are necessary (e.g. 00:28:895 (3,4) - and 00:32:986 (5,1) -). I think that turning them into 1/1 dashes is enough, considering this thing alone doubles the dash density in comparison to the previous section.
00:30:941 (2,3) - I'd think it'd be best to replace this with a 1/1 slider between the white ticks for consistency with the rest of the section.
00:53:611 (1,2) - This is a really tight walk after the previous dash, so I suggest putting (2) closer to the previous object.
00:53:611 (1,2) - 00:53:611 (1,2) - I suggest mapping these 2 beats, as they will allow you to put a dash to 01:03:157 (1) - which will make a more impactful beginning of the Kiai.
01:03:839 (2,3) - 01:06:907 (4,1) - 01:14:748 (3,4) - These should have larger distances to promote the dash. We're in the Kiai already so having a dash every 2/1 as in previous sections would feel better.

[Platter]

00:02:134 (2,3) - For these I suggest using the timeline below, as it follows the vocals slightly better (note: you can also map the white tick):
00:04:520 (1) - I don't think the antiflow slider fits with the overall patterning of this section; I'd go for a curved slider like all the rest.
00:05:032 (2,3) - I suggest swapping the position of these (i.e. having the 1/1 slider first) as it follows the vocals better.
00:15:430 (1,2) - Personally I'd prefer if this followed a normal flow movement.
00:17:475 (3,4,1) - I think the dash should be between (4,1) instead of (3,4). While there's a strong drum sound on that red tick, it's nearly on par with the one on the white tick and, therefore, I think the dash to the downbeat would be more reasonable as it's more expected during gameplay. Also applies for other parts like 00:20:202 (3,4,1) - and 00:22:930 (3,4,1) - .
00:19:520 (1,2,3) - I'd reduce the horizontal movement in this pattern a bit, it can be a bit tricky to get the droplets on the sliders. Same stuff applies on 00:22:248 (1,2,3) - .
00:20:884 (1,2) - This requires a really tight timing in order to do it with a walk. I'd make the slider more slanted. This can also tie-in with the next suggestion.
00:21:395 (2,3) - While there's is a bell sound that sort of justifies the dash, I think it's not strong enough to break consistency and have a dash every 2/1 instead of every 4/1 for this stanza.
00:48:668 (2,3) - I think these notes aren't necessary at all, and actually deleting them could allow you to place a stronger 1/1 dash rather than a "shy" 1/2 one, which emphasizes the vocals better.
00:54:293 (2,3) - While I get that the vocals' intensity is decreasing, this distance is rather underwhelming. I'd move (3) further from the previous object.
01:02:816 - Similar to the Salad, mapping this would allow you to add a dash/HDash to the next object, leading to a more impactful beginning of the Kiai.
01:04:520 (1,2) - This could have a bit more distance to emphasize the vocals a bit better.
01:06:395 (2,3) - I think it would be better to replace this with a 1/1 slider, to follow the vocals a bit more closely.
01:07:248 (1,2,3,4) - I think these should have more distance, the current distances don't emphasize the strong sounds that much.
01:11:339 (1,2,3,4) - I think these distances are a bit ambiguous? Maybe you could decrease (1,2) and increase (2,3) to add more emphasis to this part.
01:12:361 (4,1,2,3) - This is a bit awkward to play, since the distances are a bit ambiguous and that comes after a hyperdash onto a vertical slider. I think you can slant (1) a bit by moving its head to the left, and also make the distances after a bit larger to properly induce players to dash. A similar issue appears at 01:18:157 (1,2) - .
01:15:430 (1,2,3,4) - Ambiguous distances here again; make them larger or smaller according to what you want the player to do.
01:17:475 (5,6) - This is another ambiguous distance, coupled with an antiflow movement. Make it larger or smaller accordingly.

[Rain]

00:00:259 (1,1) - I'd reduce the distance because this is quite surprisive and can really catch players off guard. While you can say "it's literally the first note and they can retry", I'd prefer to avoid that.
00:02:134 (2,3) - The same suggestion as in the Platter applies.
00:04:520 (1,2,3,4) - I suggest replacing these with two 1/1 sliders and a 1/2 slider to follow vocals better. Currently it's a weird mix of piano and vocals.
00:07:077 (5,1) - Pretty much the only antiflow slider you've used in this section, it doesn't fit with the rest. I'd make it a curved slider like the others.
00:10:827 (3) - I'd slant this to the other side by moving its head to the left. The movement back to this can be unexpected and it's a bit uncomfortable to play.
00:13:725 (2,3,4,5) - This is way too spaced, leading to an easy to miss pattern. I suggest you move (3,4,5) to the left until each of them have a 1.1X DS to the previous object.
00:18:157 (1) - 00:24:975 (1) - These are the only 2 antiflow sliders you've used in this section, which is rather inconsistent and, to be honest, the song doesn't call for a strong antiflow like this.
00:34:520 (1,2) - The vocals on the white ticks are relatively strong, so I suggest replacing this with two 1/2 sliders. Similar stuff on 00:45:430 (1,2) - and 00:52:248 (1,2) - .
^Similar stuff applies on 00:48:157 (1,2,3) -, it would be better to have 1/2 sliders.
00:54:293 (2,1) - As in the Platter, the distance to this is a bit underwhelming. I'd increase the spacing.
01:01:964 (1) - Personal opinion, but I'd replace this with notes to map the beats, as it will allow you to add a HDash to start the Kiai giving it more impact.
01:14:066 (1,2,3) - HDash should be between (2,3) rather than (1,2), as the white tick is where the stronger sound is at. Similar stuff applies for 01:16:793 (1,2,3) - .

[Kaitlin and Spec's Rain]

00:02:134 (2,3,4) - I suggest putting the circle first, then the 1/1 slider and then the 1/2 slider to follow vocals better.
00:04:350 (8,1) - 00:06:566 (2,1) - I think these two deserve a bit more distance to better emphasize the vocals.
00:07:248 (1,2,3) - I don't think the song is strong enough to have these antiflow movements, I'd try making (2) a curved sliders like the others or reducing the distances a bit.
00:09:634 (6,1) - Similar stuff here, I'd go for a curved slider.
00:17:986 (3,1) - Weird rhythm choices, I'd go for a circle + a 1/1 slider. You're leaving a strong downbeat hidden within a slidertail.
00:19:520 (1,2) - ^Similar stuff here, I'd go for a 1/1 slider and a circle on the red tick.
00:21:225 (2,3) - Vocals on the white ticks are strong, so I'd go for two 1/2 sliders.
00:26:168 (3,1) - I think the strong antiflow isn't really called here, I'd go for a curved slider like you've used in other parts.
00:33:668 (2) - Again, this misses emphasis on the vocal. I suggest replacing this with a circle + a 1/2 slider in order to follow vocals better.
00:39:123 (2,3) - Antiflow doesn't really fit here, I suggest replacing this with a curved slider like the previous one.
00:41:339 (1) - ^Same stuff.
00:43:895 (3,1,2) - Again, the antiflow doesn't really fit, and the movement from (1) to (2) is really harsh. I suggest making (1) a curved slider instead, and replace (2) with a circle and a 1/2 slider to follow vocals better.
00:45:770 (2,3) - Again, I'd replace this with two 1/2 sliders in order to emphasize vocals and drums better.
01:02:305 (1,1) - Really underwhelming pattern here, totally misses the chance to add a proper beginning to the Kiai. Making (1) more horizontal to the left already creates a dash which emphasizes the beginning of the Kiai a lot better.
01:05:032 (2,3,4) - The two direction changes doesn't fit here, as the sounds on the red tick aren't that strong. Note that you didn't do this for a similar sounding vocal at 01:08:270 (3,4) - . Same stuff applies on 01:12:361 (4,5) - .
01:19:520 (1,1,1) - I'd curve these sliders a bit more, because players can overshoot it due to the strenght of the slider and easily miss droplets.
01:25:657 (3,4) - This distance makes it a bit uncomfortable to trigger the HDash, making the following pattern easily missable. Reduce it a bit.

Call me back once this has been applied.

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Spectator 2017-12-19T10:59:51+00:00

ZiRoX wrote:
Popping mainly due to weird rhythm and emphasis choices in both Rains.

Time to check (for a 2nd time, thanks forum)

[Kaitlin and Spec's Rain]
00:02:134 (2,3,4) - I suggest putting the circle first, then the 1/1 slider and then the 1/2 slider to follow vocals better. fixed
00:04:350 (8,1) - 00:06:566 (2,1) - I think these two deserve a bit more distance to better emphasize the vocals. fixed
00:07:248 (1,2,3) - I don't think the song is strong enough to have these antiflow movements, I'd try making (2) a curved sliders like the others or reducing the distances a bit. redesigned the part!
00:09:634 (6,1) - Similar stuff here, I'd go for a curved slider. yep
00:17:986 (3,1) - Weird rhythm choices, I'd go for a circle + a 1/1 slider. You're leaving a strong downbeat hidden within a slidertail.
00:19:520 (1,2) - ^Similar stuff here, I'd go for a 1/1 slider and a circle on the red tick.
00:21:225 (2,3) - Vocals on the white ticks are strong, so I'd go for two 1/2 sliders.
00:26:168 (3,1) - I think the strong antiflow isn't really called here, I'd go for a curved slider like you've used in other parts.
00:33:668 (2) - Again, this misses emphasis on the vocal. I suggest replacing this with a circle + a 1/2 slider in order to follow vocals better. okay!
00:39:123 (2,3) - Antiflow doesn't really fit here, I suggest replacing this with a curved slider like the previous one.
00:41:339 (1) - ^Same stuff.
00:43:895 (3,1,2) - Again, the antiflow doesn't really fit, and the movement from (1) to (2) is really harsh. I suggest making (1) a curved slider instead, and replace (2) with a circle and a 1/2 slider to follow vocals better.
00:45:770 (2,3) - Again, I'd replace this with two 1/2 sliders in order to emphasize vocals and drums better.
01:02:305 (1,1) - Really underwhelming pattern here, totally misses the chance to add a proper beginning to the Kiai. Making (1) more horizontal to the left already creates a dash which emphasizes the beginning of the Kiai a lot better. okay
01:05:032 (2,3,4) - The two direction changes doesn't fit here, as the sounds on the red tick aren't that strong. Note that you didn't do this for a similar sounding vocal at 01:08:270 (3,4) - . Same stuff applies on 01:12:361 (4,5) - .
01:19:520 (1,1,1) - I'd curve these sliders a bit more, because players can overshoot it due to the strenght of the slider and easily miss droplets.
01:25:657 (3,4) - This distance makes it a bit uncomfortable to trigger the HDash, making the following pattern easily missable. Reduce it a bit.
Call me back once this has been applied.

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thanks for mod!

Xinnoh

Elite Mapper

1,950 posts

Joined April 2014

Topic Starter

Xinnoh 2017-12-19T14:28:14+00:00

uh I deleted stuff when I accepted it on the rain diff but not elsewhere because accepted points had to be referred to elsewhere

ZiRoX wrote:
Popping mainly due to weird rhythm and emphasis choices in both Rains. I really can't find anything that would validate a pop, all of what you've pointed out has been subjective suggestions. Pops are for objective issues, vetos are for subjective ones.

Time to check (for a 2nd time, thanks forum)

[Cup]
My main concern is that the non-Kiai sections have a lot of constant movement. Some sliders require near perfect walking depending on the timing of the player, and some of them are even coupled with antiflow movements. Therefore, I suggest decreasing the SV multiplier in non-Kiai sections and also decreasing the overall spacing by some 0.10-0.15x DS. nerfed some distances here and there.
01:27:702 (1) - I'd move this a bit to the right to add some leniency should players take the route to the rightmost banana at the end. done
[Salad]
On the section starting at 00:27:702 -, I don't think any of the 1/2 dashes are necessary (e.g. 00:28:895 (3,4) - and 00:32:986 (5,1) -). I think that turning them into 1/1 dashes is enough, considering this thing alone doubles the dash density in comparison to the previous section. just removed the dashes, I think following the random snares + sounds on that offbeat is more important
00:30:941 (2,3) - I'd think it'd be best to replace this with a 1/1 slider between the white ticks for consistency with the rest of the section. sure
00:53:611 (1,2) - This is a really tight walk after the previous dash, so I suggest putting (2) closer to the previous object. Semi dash was intentional, it's clear enough for salad players that they can dash when the rhythm density is 2/1
00:53:611 (1,2) - 00:53:611 (1,2) - I suggest mapping these 2 beats, as they will allow you to put a dash to 01:03:157 (1) - which will make a more impactful beginning of the Kiai. conflicts with what I mentioned above.
01:03:839 (2,3) - 01:06:907 (4,1) - 01:14:748 (3,4) - These should have larger distances to promote the dash. We're in the Kiai already so having a dash every 2/1 as in previous sections would feel better. I'm just adding dashes on what I think should be emphasised, don't want to add them just to increase movement intensity.
[Platter]
00:02:134 (2,3) - For these I suggest using the timeline below, as it follows the vocals slightly better (note: you can also map the white tick):
I prefer to still follow the piano
00:04:520 (1) - I don't think the antiflow slider fits with the overall patterning of this section; I'd go for a curved slider like all the rest. vocal is different enough to justify basic antiflow
00:05:032 (2,3) - I suggest swapping the position of these (i.e. having the 1/1 slider first) as it follows the vocals better. I prefer as is
00:15:430 (1,2) - Personally I'd prefer if this followed a normal flow movement. applied, pattern change forced me to remove the ugly stream lol
00:17:475 (3,4,1) - I think the dash should be between (4,1) instead of (3,4). While there's a strong drum sound on that red tick, it's nearly on par with the one on the white tick and, therefore, I think the dash to the downbeat would be more reasonable as it's more expected during gameplay. Also applies for other parts like 00:20:202 (3,4,1) - and 00:22:930 (3,4,1) - . fine
00:19:520 (1,2,3) - I'd reduce the horizontal movement in this pattern a bit, it can be a bit tricky to get the droplets on the sliders. Same stuff applies on 00:22:248 (1,2,3) - . done
00:20:884 (1,2) - This requires a really tight timing in order to do it with a walk. I'd make the slider more slanted. This can also tie-in with the next suggestion. agree, fixed this while testing stuff before.
00:21:395 (2,3) - While there's is a bell sound that sort of justifies the dash, I think it's not strong enough to break consistency and have a dash every 2/1 instead of every 4/1 for this stanza. sure
00:48:668 (2,3) - I think these notes aren't necessary at all, and actually deleting them could allow you to place a stronger 1/1 dash rather than a "shy" 1/2 one, which emphasizes the vocals better. ya
00:54:293 (2,3) - While I get that the vocals' intensity is decreasing, this distance is rather underwhelming. I'd move (3) further from the previous object. I wouldn't
01:02:816 - Similar to the Salad, mapping this would allow you to add a dash/HDash to the next object, leading to a more impactful beginning of the Kiai.
01:04:520 (1,2) - This could have a bit more distance to emphasize the vocals a bit better. same
01:06:395 (2,3) - I think it would be better to replace this with a 1/1 slider, to follow the vocals a bit more closely. sure
01:07:248 (1,2,3,4) - I think these should have more distance, the current distances don't emphasize the strong sounds that much. accidentally had some inconsistent spacing, was meant to be consistent since this is a tricky pattern to play.
01:11:339 (1,2,3,4) - I think these distances are a bit ambiguous? Maybe you could decrease (1,2) and increase (2,3) to add more emphasis to this part. decreased spacing on them
01:12:361 (4,1,2,3) - This is a bit awkward to play, since the distances are a bit ambiguous and that comes after a hyperdash onto a vertical slider. I think you can slant (1) a bit by moving its head to the left, and also make the distances after a bit larger to properly induce players to dash. A similar issue appears at 01:18:157 (1,2) - . nerfed distances to avoid dashes on complicated patterns and did the other suggestions.
01:15:430 (1,2,3,4) - Ambiguous distances here again; make them larger or smaller according to what you want the player to do. done
01:17:475 (5,6) - This is another ambiguous distance, coupled with an antiflow movement. Make it larger or smaller accordingly. done
[Rain]
00:02:134 (2,3) - The same suggestion as in the Platter applies. same
00:04:520 (1,2,3,4) - I suggest replacing these with two 1/1 sliders and a 1/2 slider to follow vocals better. Currently it's a weird mix of piano and vocals. Changed 00:04:520 (1) - to 1/1
00:07:077 (5,1) - Pretty much the only antiflow slider you've used in this section, it doesn't fit with the rest. I'd make it a curved slider like the others. I really prefer this one, that's all I have to say tbh
00:10:827 (3) - I'd slant this to the other side by moving its head to the left. The movement back to this can be unexpected and it's a bit uncomfortable to play. sure
00:13:725 (2,3,4,5) - This is way too spaced, leading to an easy to miss pattern. I suggest you move (3,4,5) to the left until each of them have a 1.1X DS to the previous object. used 1.2x spacing is more comfortable
00:18:157 (1) - 00:24:975 (1) - These are the only 2 antiflow sliders you've used in this section, which is rather inconsistent and, to be honest, the song doesn't call for a strong antiflow like this. The antiflow is extremely weak, requiring just one direction change. If I removed antiflow completely then stuff like 00:19:009 (4) - 00:21:736 (4) - which I used antiflow to emphasise drums would be out of place. Antiflow is just different methods of flow for emphasising the same thing.
00:34:520 (1,2) - The vocals on the white ticks are relatively strong, so I suggest replacing this with two 1/2 sliders. Similar stuff on 00:45:430 (1,2) - and 00:52:248 (1,2) - . did that
^Similar stuff applies on 00:48:157 (1,2,3) -, it would be better to have 1/2 sliders. More important to emphasise the empty 1/1 after here.
00:54:293 (2,1) - As in the Platter, the distance to this is a bit underwhelming. I'd increase the spacing. intentional
01:01:964 (1) - Personal opinion, but I'd replace this with notes to map the beats, as it will allow you to add a HDash to start the Kiai giving it more impact. applied
01:14:066 (1,2,3) - HDash should be between (2,3) rather than (1,2), as the white tick is where the stronger sound is at. Similar stuff applies for 01:16:793 (1,2,3) - . Violins have been prioritised over vocal for the whole map 🤔
Call me back once this has been applied.

Dea ex machina

530 posts

Joined January 2014

Dea ex machina 2017-12-21T08:27:42+00:00

ZiRoX wrote:
[Kaitlin and Spec's Rain]
00:02:134 (2,3,4) - I suggest putting the circle first, then the 1/1 slider and then the 1/2 slider to follow vocals better.
00:04:350 (8,1) - 00:06:566 (2,1) - I think these two deserve a bit more distance to better emphasize the vocals.
00:07:248 (1,2,3) - I don't think the song is strong enough to have these antiflow movements, I'd try making (2) a curved sliders like the others or reducing the distances a bit.
00:09:634 (6,1) - Similar stuff here, I'd go for a curved slider.
00:17:986 (3,1) - Weird rhythm choices, I'd go for a circle + a 1/1 slider. You're leaving a strong downbeat hidden within a slidertail.
00:19:520 (1,2) - ^Similar stuff here, I'd go for a 1/1 slider and a circle on the red tick.
00:21:225 (2,3) - Vocals on the white ticks are strong, so I'd go for two 1/2 sliders. not strong enough to warrant the nice vocal hold,
also two 1/2 sliders there is extremely boring.
00:26:168 (3,1) - I think the strong antiflow isn't really called here, I'd go for a curved slider like you've used in other parts. i used an antiflow slider here: 00:24:975 (1) - which is a similar sound, so i think it fits and works nicely here
00:33:668 (2) - Again, this misses emphasis on the vocal. I suggest replacing this with a circle + a 1/2 slider in order to follow vocals better.
00:39:123 (2,3) - Antiflow doesn't really fit here, I suggest replacing this with a curved slider like the previous one. again, i think the antiflow here works well, and a curved slider there really gives a lackluster effect
00:41:339 (1) - ^Same stuff. same as above, especially here, that would have the same movement repeated for far too long
00:43:895 (3,1,2) - Again, the antiflow doesn't really fit, and the movement from (1) to (2) is really harsh. I suggest making (1) a curved slider instead, and replace (2) with a circle and a 1/2 slider to follow vocals better.
00:45:770 (2,3) - Again, I'd replace this with two 1/2 sliders in order to emphasize vocals and drums better.
01:02:305 (1,1) - Really underwhelming pattern here, totally misses the chance to add a proper beginning to the Kiai. Making (1) more horizontal to the left already creates a dash which emphasizes the beginning of the Kiai a lot better.
01:05:032 (2,3,4) - The two direction changes doesn't fit here, as the sounds on the red tick aren't that strong. Note that you didn't do this for a similar sounding vocal at 01:08:270 (3,4) - . Same stuff applies on 01:12:361 (4,5) - .
01:19:520 (1,1,1) - I'd curve these sliders a bit more, because players can overshoot it due to the strenght of the slider and easily miss droplets.
01:25:657 (3,4) - This distance makes it a bit uncomfortable to trigger the HDash, making the following pattern easily missable. Reduce it a bit.
Call me back once this has been applied.

thanks, no reply means fixed

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Xinnoh

Elite Mapper

1,950 posts

Joined April 2014

Topic Starter

Xinnoh 2017-12-21T08:45:58+00:00

updaterood

ZiRoX

Elite Mapper

1,019 posts

Joined November 2009

ZiRoX 2017-12-23T15:40:42+00:00

Discussed other stuff with Sinnoh on PM. I'm going to suggest some alternatives to stuff Fii rejected, because I don't think they completely fit as they are right now.

-wwwww wrote:
ZiRoX wrote:
[Kaitlin and Spec's Rain]
00:26:168 (3,1) - I think the strong antiflow isn't really called here, I'd go for a curved slider like you've used in other parts. i used an antiflow slider here: 00:24:975 (1) - which is a similar sound, so i think it fits and works nicely here In any case, the 00:26:339 (1) - vocal is slightly less intense than 00:24:975 (1) -, and also a slightly lower pitch, so it doesn't make sense that both sliders travel the same distance. I suggest making it so 00:26:339 (1) - has a little less horizontal movement. Also because 00:26:339 (1,2) - is quite a really tight walk as it is currently.
00:39:123 (2,3) - Antiflow doesn't really fit here, I suggest replacing this with a curved slider like the previous one. again, i think the antiflow here works well, and a curved slider there really gives a lackluster effect. I would then suggest to reduce the intensity of the antiflow a bit here by moving (3)'s head so the slider is more slanted, both in order to reduce the dash to it and also the horizontal movement required in the slider.

Call me back once this has been applied.
thanks, no reply means fixed

Dea ex machina

530 posts

Joined January 2014

Dea ex machina 2017-12-25T12:18:34+00:00

both fixed

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Nokashi

304 posts

Joined December 2014

Nokashi 2017-12-25T14:18:27+00:00

Rechecked things along with Sinnoh, fixed a rhythm me and ZiRoX were concerned about. Rebubbled!

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2017-12-25 16:04 Nokashi: looking at the rhythm in rain
2017-12-25 16:04 Nokashi: regarding 
2017-12-25 16:04 Nokashi: 00:01:793 (1,2,3) - 
2017-12-25 16:04 Sinnoh: ya
2017-12-25 16:05 Nokashi: u said u still wanted to follow the piano, yet 00:02:475 - is left on a sliderend, 
2017-12-25 16:05 Nokashi: tha piano pitch is strong 
2017-12-25 16:05 Nokashi: if there was any need for more movement this would be the one where the movement should be
2017-12-25 16:05 Nokashi: otherwise you should follow vocals like zirox suggested
2017-12-25 16:06 Nokashi: and in order to make the piano mapping less ambiguous you could ponentially only map the passive piano 1/2
2017-12-25 16:06 Nokashi: and avoid 1/1s like 00:02:645 (3) - 
2017-12-25 16:06 Nokashi: which makes it seem like u are following the vocal
2017-12-25 16:07 Sinnoh: k just gonna do what zirox suggested then
2017-12-25 16:07 Nokashi: 00:04:520 (1,2,3) - this is fine for me 
2017-12-25 16:08 Nokashi: so i guess make that rhythm change u said
2017-12-25 16:08 Nokashi: i think zirox mentioned theres a similar rhythm in platter?
2017-12-25 16:08 Nokashi: lemme see
2017-12-25 16:08 Nokashi: 00:01:793 (1,2,3) - same thing applies in platter here 
2017-12-25 16:11 Sinnoh: updated
2017-12-25 16:11 Nokashi: :eyes:
2017-12-25 16:11 Nokashi: lemme see
2017-12-25 16:14 Nokashi: all good 
2017-12-25 16:14 Nokashi: time for the bub
2017-12-25 16:14 Nokashi: gonna post this irc for reference
2017-12-25 16:14 Sinnoh: gr8

ZiRoX

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ZiRoX 2017-12-27T01:07:34+00:00

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lit120

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lit120 2017-12-27T02:00:57+00:00

SHIORI AGAIN!!! (but first ctb ver.)

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