No idea on that yet. BTW, I agree on not voting Aomi today however it did make me curious where this doctor claim came from

Zexion wrote:

Seems to overly explain herself over and over again.

I have nothing new to offer and I've been insanely busy lately so I can't help but do that, sorry

abraker wrote:

Hika's need for VC is less scummy than Ace's refusal to help explain why Hika is a townread by requesting a VC himself. Sounds like a setup for something. Also considering how Dawnsday previously decided to push for zekks lynch, there is def something up.

I'm very curious to know what you think is up.

vote: Hika

i'll post a VC in a min

I seriously hope I didn't fuck anything up I literally looked through the ISOs at least 3 times but if there's a mistake let me know

idk where you see a town foxtrot I just don't understand it

there's obvs a scum on my wagon

Ei stop please I'm still watching TI7, holifuck, it's final and I don't want miss the tournament, but I don't want missing this game. I'm pretty sure mod extend our 24 hours, that's why I'm watching it and too lazy to read right now.

@johnmedina999

Why aren't you being active in the thread?
You're pretty active elsewhere.
I think you're just trying really hard to fit in, hence why you repeat information over and over again, as Zexion mentioned.
All of your votes so far haven't been solid.
You tend to change your mind about a player after a post or two from them.
You seem to be really insecure.

damn i didnt know we were in a shrink's office

now u know

Aomi wrote:

@johnmedina999

Why aren't you being active in the thread?

To be perfectly honest, I have no idea what to do. This is my first game playing and my second game of experience (I've only read last game) and I'm kinda basing reads and actions from there, as well as my gut feeling. I know I'm not posting much, but I just don't know what to post.

johnmedina999 wrote:

Aomi wrote:

@johnmedina999

Why aren't you being active in the thread?

To be perfectly honest, I have no idea what to do. This is my first game playing and my second game of experience (I've only read last game) and I'm kinda basing reads and actions from there, as well as my gut feeling. I know I'm not posting much, but I just don't know what to post.

It's fine. Don't base everything from another game though, it could very well prove to be fatal.
Post anything you feel will help town, ask questions, etc.
Just be active. No one likes a lurker.

We have around 9 hours left before the deadline btw.
Unless the extension was already counted in the countdown timer; then we have a little less than 2 hours left.
It'd be great if it's the former tbh.

Nope, add 24 hours to that

Aomi wrote:

@johnmedina999

Why aren't you being active in the thread?
You're pretty active elsewhere.
I think you're just trying really hard to fit in, hence why you repeat information over and over again, as Zexion mentioned.
All of your votes so far haven't been solid.
You tend to change your mind about a player after a post or two from them.
You seem to be really insecure.

imo this how I feel about fox

I'd like it if rEdo and Zexion could post more so I can stabilize my reads on them.
Zexion definitely gives me town vibes, but due to his limited availability I can't make out a solid read.
rEdo on the other hand is completely null to me, I'll wait for him to come around I guess.
@Lincolm I've read your ISO and you kept saying "then why not vote me" or something of the sort. Why is that?
You seem very confident, but then again that could just be a mask to win towncred.

Zexion wrote:

Hold on. What makes you think Ace has a real reason for waiting for a VC or it's just something to taunt Hika's way of playing? About Dawnsday push's on Zekks, I thought someone said it was genuine due to being few minutes after that post? Now it's scum indicative? Foxtrot may as well be scum for that same last reason. Your conclusion is quite hasty.

The way he did it though. He did it is a taunt and as a "no" to me in regards on why he thinks Hika is town. About the dawnsday's push on zekks, it's just my view on it. Here is the ISO that made me think that:

As it turns out, as shown later in the game, that there is something to read from zekks's weird comment. But we were still wrapping our heads about this and zekks has yet to show the his inactivity.

Dawnsday wrote:

Foxtrot wrote:

interesting that you mention a connection between Lincolm and Zekks, Dawnsday

Zekks recently wrote this

Zekks wrote:

idc, as long as I'm walking, there's no stopping for me 'w'

and I asked her to clarify on this, but she hasn't told me anything yet. I know, I might be looking too hard for clues, but that is such an odd thing to say

It is odd agreed. It's possible this is just fluff memery (however inappropriate one may deem it in a thread). I'm also quite eager to hear the reasoning for it but on the whole I don't think there's too too much that can be read into.

expected

Dawnsday wrote:

Vote: Zekks

Maybe this gives you the incentive to "look things over". You're setting off my scumdar now.

I saw stuff as stupid as zekks in a previous game. I'd say anti-town, but doesn't imply scum. But you can start to see the change of mind in Dawnsday already as zekks bandwagon dies down

Dawnsday wrote:

looking forward to posts from rEdo and Zexion honestly, haven't seen enough to get reads.


Also even if Zekks isn't a redname his posts don't exactly scream "pro-town" to me so I'm still entirely set on getting some info from him, obviously I'm open to let him go and follow other reads if we get any but this is defo the flavor of the day controversy for me.

Had to just drop and agree. So malleable.

Dawnsday wrote:

Zekks play is anti town but I think he's just a bit clueless. I'm gonna drop it for now but if we turn up nothing I'm going to go for a policy lynch.

unvote


If zekks is a town, then we can expect zekks to be the victim at night. Depending on the PR dawnsday thinks zekks might have, and if Dawnsday is scum, it would be in his best interest to lynch zekks. However, we seem him let zekks go. Doesn't make sense if dawnsday is scum

Dawnsday wrote:

I actually catch a hint of Zekks possibly being PR because of his "lynch me and mafia have a higher chance" post. It just seems that something a noob with a power role would say, could be entirely wrong but it's 100% a possibility in my mind and one that wouldn't shock me if it were to be true.

Also +1 to Foxtrot's point about John and Zexion needing to post more content. It's hard to get reads on people who don't converse

Will post later

This is a response to Lincolm saying that while we can attempt to lynch zekks, if he flips town, then that would be super bad. Yet Dawnsday still want to convince that doing that to zekks is a good consideration... right after choosing to unvote. He is still pushing to make zekks lynched and it's becomming how subtly, yet forcefully he is doing that. Given my previous comment regarding Dawnsday needing to lynch zekks instead of NK because of PR, this makes perfect sense. And he had to unvote as insurance that vote won't draw uneeded attention.

Dawnsday wrote:

Lincolm wrote:

, but I hate policy lynch also.

Why? If he's not commited to reading he's going to hurt town in the long run. It's not FUN to policy lynch rest assured I'd rather the idea was never even conceived but honestly.

I agree we shouldnt straight call it a day here and lynch but it should 100% be an option for us moving forward.

He unvoted zekks twice in a row. Didn't vote in between. Not sure if mistake or just in case to make sure people notice that he unvoted zekks. Also I did it because for reasons I explained my reasoning for it in the rEdo iso. But if dawnsday experienced a selfvote turning scum previous game, then why doesn't he just claim I am scum and vote for me then? I think my actions are just as scummy. This kinda kills the "Dawnsday as scum votes upon chance" theory. As the thinking goes, if someone appears scummy, the vote would be automatically justified for scum, but that it is not seen with Dawnsday

Dawnsday wrote:

I have little to no faith in the power of PoE currently, seriously it's day 1.

Also, how and why does selfvoting exist in mafia; I seriously fail to see it's applications in any useful scenario. The last time I saw it used was BBoy last game and he did it to CLAIM he was scum.

Any other time it's used it's just straight up weird. Anyone explain it's use here? (Sorry I'm still learning mafia apparently).

unvote

removing my vote on Zekks because this is a weird gamestate

Ace Timing wrote:

abraker wrote:

Hika's need for VC is less scummy than Ace's refusal to help explain why Hika is a townread by requesting a VC himself. Sounds like a setup for something. Also considering how Dawnsday previously decided to push for zekks lynch, there is def something up.

I'm very curious to know what you think is up.

I mean, why would you refuse to justify a town read for someone who is likely to be lynched? You are saying town, but your refusal says you are ok with the lynch. Your unvoting Hika doesn't even make sense with your refusal to explain. Hence, it sounds like a setup for something



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tl;dr dawnsday push: He still insisted people to think about why zekks might be scum even though everything about it has been said. That and he had to unvote as soon as that choice started being less popular. Also the double unvote, but that might be me reading too much into it.

Okay, I have all Sunday for myself so I can do some progress again this time. I have done reread because I missed a lot of context and I totally more confused with my reads right now.

This might answer the question so I put the quote in here with my read:

abraker wrote:

No shit sherlock. I can see how self votes lean toward scum, but for the same reason I fail to see how the lean towards scum. I saw it as safe move because it would indeed lead toward scum and that everyone knows it's a scum move.

Anyway, abraker's self-vote is just bad and I found his reaction is highly scummy. He did that in the sake of his integrity when he under pressured. I don't know why his integrity is more important than town information. He completely ignored the reason why he is bandwagoned. For me, he looks like already plan this from start, trying to denying information for town when a lot of people are passive, and asking for other town sympathy. And there is no reason for town to self-vote except to avoid no-lynch.

Tbh, I failed to see his AtE because it looked artificial at the first time I read it. Some towns actually do this when they are pissed off or upset, but I don't know how and why unjustified 2 votes makes abraker upset. And I actually consider this as too egocentric play, like what rEdo said, but it might be coming from town. Duh to myself...

Actually, you could search by yourself the reason why self-vote is bad. This kind of knowledge is not a diversion when it is really happening in game, though. But it is your own choice if you want to read it or not.

Foxtrot wrote:

Considering abraker is L-2 and the final day is almost over, that worries me though.

What make you think abraker can't unvote at that time?

Hika wrote:

And it's more suspicious that three people are still on my case about it

Uh... my question is not why you need VC to vote, but why didn't you vote someone who you suspect as scum with lesser vote. But actually, everyone lack of serious vote (even myself), so I don't really know.

Anyway, for serious thing, how you asked VC many times is weird, though. I consider you might get cautious with your vote also because previous game, so it is not weird at all if I took that as a reason.

abraker wrote:

Event #1: If she is scum, then vote count is needed to know how to form your read to target others

I will completely disagree at this. If she is scum, don't you think she would just do her own vote count? No need to post "I need VC" in his post.

Also as I said, I don't want to discuss any PR things, except you have good reasons to persuade me why it is good for town to discuss it.

Hika wrote:

2.) Ace isn't my scum read because he can explain what I'm trying to do better than I can. I take kindly to him defending me as I can't do it myself. Scum woudn't even dare defend their partner so openly, so you're making a connection where there isn't one. If he was bothering you so much why not vote him? It would make him look more scummy than me, no?

Not sure about this one, but JohnMedina's "wording" is somehow bad? Personally I think you can defend yourself in that case and I don't see how you and Ace is both scum. (I know it was for Foxtrot but I really want to comment on this)

Ace Timing wrote:

2. there's daychat, ergo his whole team would be on that wagon.

Eh? It is only pre-game and nightchat. Are you doing this on purpose?

Zexion wrote:

What makes you think Ace has a real reason for waiting for a VC or it's just something to taunt Hika's way of playing?

I really want to see what Ace is going to say about this.

Aomi wrote:

@Lincolm I've read your ISO and you kept saying "then why not vote me" or something of the sort. Why is that?
You seem very confident, but then again that could just be a mask to win towncred.

Because I know that I'm town. It is the best reaction I can get because I know my alignment. As I said, we really lack of serious votes, they only said "this guy or this guy might be scum, but I'm not sure" and not voting anyone. I have no idea, they said I might be scum that time, but not voting.

I don't know how is that very confident, though.

What do you think about people not going to vote you, at least for today?

==

Unvote
Self-vote scum with a lot of analyzed ISO wall posts doesn't suit well.

Please at least let us have 12 hours. I know that deadline is very near, but I already see the timer we at least have 24 hours before deadline. I'm so sleepy that I can't describe how agitated with this wagon, it's so fast yet so weak reasoning? Every reasoning are weak right now IMO. (And no, TI7 doesn't even finished yet when I posted this, holifuck)

ifk I think it's pretty weak reasoning too @lincolm

@abraker: what am I setting up tho

abraker wrote:

You are saying town, but your refusal says you are ok with the lynch.

no it fucking doesn't lol

Ace Timing wrote:

@abraker: what am I setting up tho

Didn't I already answer this? It was here. Here is the quote in case you won't find it still:

abraker wrote:

But going deeper, the fact you are refusing to share your read on Hika makes me suspicious of whether you are doing it so to not to talk about your scum partner or to allow the setup of an unconditional bandwagon on Hika.

Ace Timing wrote:

abraker wrote:

You are saying town, but your refusal says you are ok with the lynch.

no it fucking doesn't lol

You need to explain that with a little more than just "no it fucking doesn't"

abraker wrote:

Zexion wrote:

Hold on. What makes you think Ace has a real reason for waiting for a VC or it's just something to taunt Hika's way of playing? About Dawnsday push's on Zekks, I thought someone said it was genuine due to being few minutes after that post? Now it's scum indicative? Foxtrot may as well be scum for that same last reason. Your conclusion is quite hasty.

The way he did it though. He did it is a taunt and as a "no" to me in regards on why he thinks Hika is town. About the dawnsday's push on zekks, it's just my view on it.

About Ace: Okay, but that's just your interpretation. Maybe you're just exaggerating.
About Dawnsday: Right, if you didn't consider it a "good move" back then I have no problems with that suspicion. It's just natural to think both.

Foxtrot wrote:

Zexion wrote:

Seems to overly explain herself over and over again.

I have nothing new to offer and I've been insanely busy lately so I can't help but do that, sorry

These kind of posts make me wonder how to reply. I understand having a busy life, but it's better just to say "prod dodge" rather than repeating stuff, trust me, it goes a long way in mafia games.

Also why people keep saying "I can't read Zexion because he posts too little". Stuff like this often happens in mafia, and we can't really let scum slip past the inactivity excuse.

Zexion wrote:

About Ace: Okay, but that's just your interpretation. Maybe you're just exaggerating.

Perhaps. It bothers me like a needle poking at skin.

Is it possible to extend deadline by 48 HRS, cuz I just realized we had two replacements and inactivity killed us

I think I'm asking for too much ¿

I have a project to do for work and it's due tomorrow so Ima be back
Things I need to do:
Reply to Aomi
Reply to Foxtrot
Type my reads in detail

Zexion wrote:

These kind of posts make me wonder how to reply. I understand having a busy life, but it's better just to say "prod dodge" rather than repeating stuff, trust me, it goes a long way in mafia games.

Thank you for the advice. This is literally my first mafia game ever so any tip is helpful for later on

Posting what happening so far.

Abraker is somehow still rubbing me wrong, but he is doing interesting analyzed ISO. Hika -> rEdo -> Ace
@abraker : What makes you decide to analyze those people, in that order?
You could ISO Foxtrot, or John, or me because early discussion involved with us.

abraker wrote:

This is a response to Lincolm saying that while we can attempt to lynch zekks, if he flips town, then that would be super bad. Yet Dawnsday still want to convince that doing that to zekks is a good consideration... right after choosing to unvote. He is still pushing to make zekks lynched and it's becomming how subtly, yet forcefully he is doing that. Given my previous comment regarding Dawnsday needing to lynch zekks instead of NK because of PR, this makes perfect sense. And he had to unvote as insurance that vote won't draw uneeded attention.

Related to what you said in here, Foxtrot pushed this but in blatantly manners. Here is the quote:

Foxtrot wrote:

yeah, we do have PRs, but what makes you think Zekks is one and not just vanilla? Just chance?

I still don't get why we should back off from Zekks if he's scum, like Hika and Lincolm are suggesting. Sure, there's not enough content, but does it really matter if there's enough evidence that shows Zekks having higher chances of scum instead of town? I'd like to see more content from Zexion and John, as well

Please give your opinion regarding this
==

John is still way too passive. Basically his read is because of his paranoia or assumption that makes only sense if that guy is scum. The problem is he never pushed his assumption and back down(?) easily, but it might be because he has hard time to read people because his constant paranoia. I don't think he is scum because he engaged in voting people down first. How to wording this one? If he is "newb-scum" who have "paranoia", he wouldn't vote first. Leaning town

==
I don't know how to read Zexion. Dull Null. The only bother me is his vote hanging in Hika entire day.

==
I read Dawnsday as town, however Ace is make me unsure about this slot. Probably because his playstyle, but my gut is tinglings. I like he defends Hika, but I don't like HOW he defends Hika. I vote Hika because for the luls, probably he has connection with Hika. Why can't you just be straight up that Hika is town? It is near deadline.

This is only assumption but somehow he looks like sheeping the way of Hika's play and intentionally play passive, but I never seen he play anyway.

==
Foxtrot is town. I don't know why Hika and Ace read this slot as scum.

==
Hika is leaning town, I guess. Look, this is my bad side but I'm really weak with AtE post. He is upset with the fast wagon, well it is natural regardless alignment, but he is implying a lot that he will flipped as town. His reaction is genuine... I think.

==
Zekks is town. We got an expert in this slot replacement here. I found his case in Hika is "well, it is just your opinion". Angry people usually insult his around even though he doesn't really mean it. And holding vote sometimes just a personality tells. But it is just my opinion.

==
rEdo is still my 3rd town list. No change, still same reason like before.

@Ace Timing : Who do you want to vote right now?

I would like redo to drop in ASAP.

I voted Hika to put pressure on her but she's acting very calmly, I don't think she's scum. She was null on my last read but despite her VC scandal I would say she's leaning town. I'm not going to unvote yet, though.

Wait, Hika has been playing this game forever so she might just be a good actor, I didn't think of this.

Lincolm wrote:

What do you think about people not going to vote you, at least for today?

I think it's sensible I won't be voted. I've only just arrived and the day is basically over, any type of discussion that props up regarding me/my role today is simply too late and wouldn't reach a conclusion in time or would be reached in a hurry leading to plenty of mistakes in reasoning from either end of the spectrum. I fully expect this psuedo vote immunity to expire tommorow but for now it just seems logical.

Zexion wrote:

Also why people keep saying "I can't read Zexion because he posts too little". Stuff like this often happens in mafia, and we can't really let scum slip past the inactivity excuse.

Hmm maybe i'm being too iffy on activity. I feel like I might just be projecting that onto you because I'm struggling to read you as anything other than a null (town). You're right, inactivity/rareposting happens often in mafia. I'll reread your ISO and see what I can determine.

@mod - can you replace Zekks with me in the main post please ?
Thank you.

Lincolm wrote:

Abraker is somehow still rubbing me wrong, but he is doing interesting analyzed ISO. Hika -> rEdo -> Ace
@abraker : What makes you decide to analyze those people, in that order?

Hika's needing of VC made me suspicious and the ISO didn't seem to be that big, so I got down to it
rEdo's iso seemed to be the smallest, so I figured I can knock that one too
Dawn/Ace's ISO was a bit bigger, but I knew I had to understand them since I couldn't tell anything of them at that point.
Zex would be next because I know nothing of him right now.
If I could, John would be after Zex, and then you
Foxtrot would prob be last because analyzing all of those posts looks intimidating
Can't do Aomi until D2, unfortunately. Zekks had nothing to offer and Aomi hasn't done enough yet imo

The analysis help me understand more about the player since I focus on them more. I started with ones I had null, don't understand much, and easy to get through.

Lincolm wrote:

Related to what you said in here, Foxtrot pushed this but in blatantly manners. Here is the quote:

Foxtrot wrote:

yeah, we do have PRs, but what makes you think Zekks is one and not just vanilla? Just chance?

I still don't get why we should back off from Zekks if he's scum, like Hika and Lincolm are suggesting. Sure, there's not enough content, but does it really matter if there's enough evidence that shows Zekks having higher chances of scum instead of town?

Johnmedina's comment here doesn't help either. She might have just looked for logical reasoning within actions. It's hard for me to judge not went over the ISOs in detail.

Idk if anyone has said this but I am comfortable with a No Lynch today.
I feel like D2 can give us more answers.