Okay, I have all Sunday for myself so I can do some progress again this time. I have done reread because I missed a lot of context and I totally more confused with my reads right now.
This might answer the question so I put the quote in here with my read:
abraker wrote:
No shit sherlock. I can see how self votes lean toward scum, but for the same reason I fail to see how the lean towards scum. I saw it as safe move because it would indeed lead toward scum and that everyone knows it's a scum move.
Anyway, abraker's self-vote is just bad and I found his reaction is highly scummy. He did that in the sake of his integrity when he under pressured. I don't know why his integrity is more important than town information. He completely ignored the reason why he is bandwagoned. For me, he looks like already plan this from start, trying to denying information for town when a lot of people are passive, and asking for other town sympathy. And there is no reason for town to self-vote except to avoid no-lynch.
Tbh, I failed to see his AtE because it looked artificial at the first time I read it. Some towns actually do this when they are pissed off or upset, but I don't know how and why unjustified 2 votes makes abraker upset. And I actually consider this as too egocentric play, like what rEdo said, but it might be coming from town. Duh to myself...
Actually, you could search by yourself the reason why self-vote is bad. This kind of knowledge is not a diversion when it is really happening in game, though.
But it is your own choice if you want to read it or not.Foxtrot wrote:
Considering abraker is L-2 and the final day is almost over, that worries me though.
What make you think abraker can't unvote at that time?
Hika wrote:
And it's more suspicious that three people are still on my case about it
Uh... my question is not why you need VC to vote, but why didn't you vote someone who you suspect as scum with lesser vote. But actually, everyone lack of serious vote (even myself), so I don't really know.
Anyway, for serious thing, how you asked VC many times is weird, though. I consider you might get cautious with your vote also because previous game, so it is not weird at all if I took that as a reason.
abraker wrote:
Event #1: If she is scum, then vote count is needed to know how to form your read to target others
I will completely disagree at this. If she is scum, don't you think she would just do her own vote count? No need to post "I need VC" in his post.
Also as I said, I don't want to discuss any PR things, except you have good reasons to persuade me why it is good for town to discuss it.
Hika wrote:
2.) Ace isn't my scum read because he can explain what I'm trying to do better than I can. I take kindly to him defending me as I can't do it myself. Scum woudn't even dare defend their partner so openly, so you're making a connection where there isn't one. If he was bothering you so much why not vote him? It would make him look more scummy than me, no?
Not sure about this one, but JohnMedina's "wording" is somehow bad? Personally I think you can defend yourself in that case and I don't see how you and Ace is both scum. (I know it was for Foxtrot but I really want to comment on this)
Ace Timing wrote:
2. there's daychat, ergo his whole team would be on that wagon.
Eh? It is only pre-game and nightchat. Are you doing this on purpose?
Zexion wrote:
What makes you think Ace has a real reason for waiting for a VC or it's just something to taunt Hika's way of playing?
I really want to see what Ace is going to say about this.
Aomi wrote:
@Lincolm I've read your ISO and you kept saying "then why not vote me" or something of the sort. Why is that?
You seem very confident, but then again that could just be a mask to win towncred.
Because I know that I'm town. It is the best reaction I can get because I know my alignment. As I said, we really lack of serious votes, they only said "this guy or this guy might be scum, but I'm not sure" and not voting anyone. I have no idea, they said I might be scum that time, but not voting.
I don't know how is that very confident, though.
What do you think about people not going to vote you, at least for today?
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UnvoteSelf-vote scum with a lot of analyzed ISO wall posts doesn't suit well.
Please at least let us have 12 hours. I know that deadline is very near, but I already see the timer we at least have 24 hours before deadline. I'm so sleepy that I can't describe how agitated with this wagon, it's so fast yet so weak reasoning? Every reasoning are weak right now IMO. (And no, TI7 doesn't even finished yet when I posted this, holifuck)