DoNotMess wrote:

lol forgot to save the first one for SHD

13:35 DoNotMess: hi there
13:35 DoNotMess: i still owe u something (((
13:35 qqqant: ?
13:35 DoNotMess: sc mod lol
13:35 DoNotMess: lets go?
13:36 qqqant: pls update latest version or smth
13:36 DoNotMess: ofc
13:36 DoNotMess: how bout u spec me first
13:36 qqqant: ok one secc
13:42 qqqant: holy shit nice
13:42 DoNotMess: hmm
13:42 DoNotMess: really good
13:42 DoNotMess: compared to shd
13:43 DoNotMess: i like this diff much more
13:43 DoNotMess: (it's the same mapset pls dont get triggered)
13:43 DoNotMess: (and yea its my honest opinion, sorry)
13:43 qqqant: lol
13:43 qqqant: i like this one more too lol
13:43 DoNotMess: some mappers dont even talk to me anymore because im too honest ( sry
13:44 qqqant: aw
13:44 DoNotMess: (esspecially chinese mapper, shhh XD)
13:44 qqqant: i think being more honest is better for the improvement of the community in general uwu
13:44 qqqant: so i like that owo
13:45 DoNotMess: 01:25:981 - maybe change the type of the jumpstream here, im seeing this a lot , maybe u can change the direction on each one to make it not repetitive
13:45 DoNotMess: so u can change the type or u can just change the direction
13:46 DoNotMess: 01:29:799 - sv here??? really fit one here imo
13:46 qqqant: eh
13:46 qqqant: i would change the direction there but i already rejected a similar mod suggestion that was in shd
13:46 qqqant: and i prefer consistency
13:47 qqqant: idk about sv there hmm
13:47 DoNotMess: ok, im just the type to get a balance of consistency while maintain variation too
13:47 DoNotMess: 02:39:072 - maybe u can map the organ sound here to make it different with shd one
13:47 DoNotMess: or vice versa
13:48 qqqant: hmm
13:48 qqqant: if i were to map the organ sound
13:48 qqqant: it'd be in SHD
13:48 DoNotMess: 02:55:436 - this should be the same as 00:27:072 -
13:48 DoNotMess: yea maybe shd
13:48 DoNotMess: make it different
13:48 DoNotMess: i would say
13:48 DoNotMess: each diff in a mapset should have its own unique point and specialty but thats my view
13:49 DoNotMess: i mean not just by copying down a diff and nerf or buff something out of it
13:49 qqqant: oh yeah i remember changing 00:27 after your SHD mod
13:50 DoNotMess: 03:47:799 - dont forget this one also
13:51 DoNotMess: 04:23:254 - sv????? really fit here too imo
13:51 DoNotMess: 04:24:686 (264686|3,264754|2,264822|1,264958|2,265027|0,265095|1) - since u map this sound here , i suggest u map the 1/3 in the 04:24:072 - to 04:24:345 - cos it has the same sound
13:52 DoNotMess: but u can ignore the one before it cos it's for kick emphasize
13:52 DoNotMess: 04:28:640 (268640|1) - i think this one is ghost
13:53 qqqant: hmm i dont think that work
13:53 qqqant: yeh thats ghost note
13:54 qqqant: wait no
13:54 DoNotMess: 04:01:436 - 05:11:254 - not the same?
13:55 qqqant: nope
13:55 DoNotMess: u said u want consistency tho
13:55 DoNotMess: but ok it's fine
13:55 qqqant: but the sound not the same
13:55 DoNotMess: thats all
13:55 qqqant: ooki
13:55 DoNotMess: yea the sound is not the same, there is that gimmick on the second one
13:55 qqqant: ya
13:55 DoNotMess: and not gonna post cos too lazy
13:56 qqqant: o
13:56 qqqant: .-.
13:56 qqqant: no kds?
13:56 DoNotMess: jk
13:56 qqqant: lol
13:56 DoNotMess: i beg for kudosu

Another Lie wrote:

From discord

Mentos & Poly

may i ask about 00:28:163 - until 00:42:890 - the consistency about double is randomed on purpose or something?
my bad =w= I was going to put triples only when the bass guitar and the strong beats coincide. edit: ant says that part is rather messy, will probably redo that part to be more consistent. Thanks for the heads-up though
03:13:777 (193777|2,193845|1,193913|2) - what is this?
if you hear closely, you should be able to hear a short phrase played by the violin at 1/4 snap... would appreciate more feedback on mapping this part if you had other ideas
05:07:027 (307027|2) - should be at blue line
was gonna reject because mentos' part in 03:57:277 (237277|2) was originally similar. Ant requested it to be changed to the blue line so problem solved owo)b

Mage wrote:

Mentos vs. Poly's MX

There are SVs from SC diff, right? Remove them, or make them easier

00:28:163 - i don't understand 1/4 notes in this part. 00:28:231 (28231|1,28640|2,29595|1,30413|3,30822|2) - i can't hear any sound, but 00:29:186 - 00:29:731 - 00:30:140 - 00:30:277 - 00:31:367 - but here and etc., i hear :^)
00:29:663 - 00:31:845 - 00:34:027 - aaaa why you put here doubles, explain please
00:28:981 - 00:29:527 - 00:31:163 - but here are single notes..
00:33:617 - 00:35:799 - 00:37:981 - and here.. are triples.. why

Note: has been noted along with lie's and ant's comments regarding this part... will redo this part!

01:02:799 (62799|1) - i hear nothing, remove

01:46:231 (106231|2,106299|3,106367|2) - remove please and 01:46:436 (106436|3) - make start of this LN 01:46:163 - here

02:37:163 (157163|3,157299|3) - emm.. 02:37:299 - note should be here, and LN 02:37:436 - starts here

03:03:345 - add note

03:10:299 - add note

03:13:367 (193367|3,193436|3) - what this jack for

03:35:390 (215390|1,215663|1) - replace to simple notes

03:48:072 - add note

04:23:799 - patterns in this part are harder then in SC diff.. Make them easier

Note: accepted along with ant's comments regarding this part... will also redo this part to make it easier

04:28:254 - why you use 1/3, there is 1/4

04:40:163 (280163|3,280299|2) - make 1 1/1 LN

05:02:527 (302527|1,302799|2) - again, make 1 2/1 LN

Everything more or less accepted owo! As for the parts I added a footnote to (in dark green), I'll most likely have an irc with ant & mentos to ensure the highlighted parts are fixed. (edit, ant will mod wall for this GD so I'll wait for his input )

Mage wrote:

Mentos vs. Poly's MX

There are SVs from SC diff, right? Remove them, or make them easier

00:10:708 (10708|0,10708|3,11527|0,11527|3) - why these doubles are repeating, bot other next ones are not? 00:12:890 (12890|0,12890|2,13708|1,13708|3) - 00:15:072 (15072|0,15072|3,15890|1,15890|3) - and etc

00:28:163 - i don't understand 1/4 notes in this part. 00:28:231 (28231|1,28640|2,29595|1,30413|3,30822|2) - i can't hear any sound, but 00:29:186 - 00:29:731 - 00:30:140 - 00:30:277 - 00:31:367 - but here and etc., i hear :^)
00:29:663 - 00:31:845 - 00:34:027 - aaaa why you put here doubles, explain please
00:28:981 - 00:29:527 - 00:31:163 - but here are single notes..
00:33:617 - 00:35:799 - 00:37:981 - and here.. are triples.. why

01:02:799 (62799|1) - i hear nothing, remove

01:03:617 - add note for double

01:06:617 - 01:06:890 - 01:07:981 - 01:12:345 - and etc. - make doubles ok

01:07:981 (67981|1) - finish this LN 01:08:254 - here, ok

01:46:231 (106231|2,106299|3,106367|2) - remove please and 01:46:436 (106436|3) - make start of this LN 01:46:163 - here

02:37:163 (157163|3,157299|3) - emm.. 02:37:299 - note should be here, and LN 02:37:436 - starts here

03:03:345 - add note

03:10:299 - add note

03:13:367 (193367|3,193436|3) - what this jack for

03:27:072 - make triple ok

03:35:390 (215390|1,215663|1) - replace to simple notes

03:48:072 - add note

03:52:708 (232708|1,232981|2) - better to make 1 2/1 LN ok

04:01:436 - make double ok

04:23:254 (263254|0,263390|1,263527|2,263663|3) - make 1 2/1 LN ok

04:23:799 - patterns in this part are harder then in SC diff.. Make them easier04:28:254 -

04:28:254 - why you use 1/3, there is 1/4

04:40:163 (280163|3,280299|2) - make 1 1/1 LN

05:02:527 (302527|1,302799|2) - again, make 1 2/1 LN

qqqant wrote:

Mentos vs. Poly's MX (first half)

Hey Mentos and Poly o/ <3
If you are confused or concerned about something just ping me somewhere on Discord and we'll talk it out owo
Also, for this one, since some are open-ended, you apply the changes, not me :3

Sorted by bookmark
1|2|3|4

00:10:708 to 00:28:163

1. 00:11:527 (11527|3,12345|3) - This is perfectly playable. However, on SC and SHD, there are no stacks in this beginning section. It would be much better if you made the rest of the pattern like SHD (no stack).
2. From 00:18:890 to 00:27:072 you should have the higher kick sound as a double as well.
3. 00:27:072 (27072|0,27140|1,27345|0,27549|1,27617|0) - Look at this, and 00:27:072 (27072|3,27208|2,27345|3,27481|2,27617|3) - compare it to this. For hand balance, at 00:27:140 (27140|1,27208|2) - Ctrl+H this pattern.

01:03:072 to 01:20:527

1. I feel like here the LNs in the beginning are in the way of the layering. 01:03:072 and 01:03:617 should be doubles, but then there would be an awkward 1/1 stack no matter what, unless you change the LN to each be 1/1. The same occurs at 01:07:436 and 01:11:799.
2. At 01:08:799 and beyond you are not mapping the clear sound (e.g. from 01:08:936 to 01:09:072 there is a louder sound than the rest of the LN mapped).
3. 01:10:981 (70981|1,70981|0,71117|2,71254|2,71254|1,71390|0,71527|0,71527|3,71663|2,71799|2) - Do not have any 1/2 stacks.
4. 01:17:254 (77254|2,77390|2,77527|1,77663|1) - ^
5. 01:18:890 (78890|1,79027|1) - ^
6. 01:15:072 (75072|0,75140|3,75208|0,75277|3) - Change to 1234.
7. 01:15:345 should be a double. 01:08:527 - 01:09:345 - 01:09:890 - 01:10:708 and 01:11:527 should be singles.
8. 01:19:981 (79981|2,80254|1) - Change to one LN, and preferrably on column 1 or 4.

01:20:527 to 01:29:254

1. For up until 01:27:072 please see the section for 00:54:345 to 01:03:072 and apply accordingly.
2. 01:27:617 (87617|3,87708|1,87799|2,87890|0,87981|1,88072|2,88163|3,88254|2,88345|1,88436|0,88527|2,88617|1) - These are all ghost notes. Play it at 25% and you will see. Just do not try to map those sounds and map the drums instead. See the SC difficulty.

01:46:708 to 02:04:163

1. At 01:51:072 please follow the snap in SC or SHD. woops
2. 01:47:322 (107322|0,107458|2,107458|2) - Ghost notes. ok
3. 01:51:686 (111686|1,111822|3) - ^ ok
4. I feel like this whole section would be better off with 1/2 stream instead of 1/4 (spread-wise).This part is actually harder than SC, and SC's 1/4 streams are the easiest pattern using that particular layering. And starting at 02:01:981, make it a 1234 1/4 pattern. well the fact is this part in SC
   should be much more harder by make it less rolly. Considering this is 4* diff , 1/1 js with is a bit uncomfy should be fine imo, same as the stream at 02:01:981
5. At 02:03:617 please either 1) leave it as one LN and keep that SV, or 2) delete the SV and keep the notes as is. I would prefer option 1 but do what you want for the map. :thonk: i dont remember putting SV there , i would choose option 2 tho

02:39:072 to 02:56:527

1. 02:47:254 (167254|1) - Move to column 3. 02:47:390 (167390|2) - Delete.
2. 02:51:754 (171754|3,171890|2,172027|1) - Why is this part not like before? Copy and paste the previous one here please.
3. 02:55:436 - Copy and paste from 00:27:072.

qqqant wrote:

Mentos vs. Poly's MX (first half)

Sorted by bookmark
1|2|3|4

00:28:163 to 00:45:617

1. 00:28:027 (28027|0,28163|0) - Watch out for stack.
2. In SHD, the layering is like so - Higher kick = triple, Lower kick = triple, harpsichord = double, hi-hat = single. In SC, it is - Higher kick = triple, Lower kick = double, hi-hat = single, repeating hi-hat = LN. This section has no clear layering to it; try this - Higher kick = triple, Lower kick = double, harpsichord = single, and maybe map the repeating hi-hat with an LN. Do not have any 1/2 stack in the pattern unless you seriously have to. In that case, it is preferred for the stack to go on column 1 or 4.

For this one^, I still don't have a clear idea on how you would map it would be nice to get another heads up on this

00:45:617 to 00:54:345

1. This section besides the first triple for the cymbal should not have any doubles at all. It should only be mapping the snare sound, spread-wise. The 1/4 streams should be hand-balanced (1234, 1243 patterns, but please do not do 2134).
2. 00:54:277 (54277|2) - Ghost note.

Fixed

00:54:345 to 01:03:072

1. Way too many 1/2 stacks. Not comfortable for 4 star map. My idea for this section is triple at the beginning, then followed by a single, double, single, double, etc. up until 00:58:708.
2. 00:58:708 - Way too much for a 4 star map. 00:58:981 (58981|3,59117|3,59117|2,59254|3) - Patterns like this are not comfortable at all. Make it a 12 chord at 00:58:708 - a 34 at 00:58:845 - a 12 at 00:58:981 - etc. until 00:59:799 where the 1/4 pattern starts - This should have a 12341234 pattern.
3. 01:00:890 and 01:01:436 should be doubles.

Accepted and remapped with confirmation on Discord

01:29:254 to 01:46:708

1. 01:29:254 (89254|0) - Change to regular note and repattern the section.
2. I feel like it would be much more fun (and would fit the spread) if 01:30:072 to 01:34:163 was a consistent 1/3 stream with doubles only at the end and on certain main beats.
3. The same idea as above should be applied to 01:34:436 but except with 1/4 and the sounds such as the one at 01:35:117 should be mapped with a 1/2 LN.
   01:37:504 (97504|1,97572|2,97640|1,97708|2) - I don't understand what this is supposed to be mapping. If it's the hi-hat, please instead map the hi-hat with an LN.
4. 01:37:981 should be a double, and following the rules of earlier, 01:38:527 should also be a double.
5. At 01:38:799 you should follow what I mentioned earlier at 01:30:072. Same with 01:43:163.

Attempted remapping, please check if it feels more comfortable/fun to play/consistent

02:04:163 to 02:21:617

1. Please just copy this part from SHD.

Copied haha

02:21:617 to 02:39:072

1. 02:30:208 (150208|0,150345|0) - Why do you do this? Please remap this section without anything similar to that or even 02:21:890 (141890|1,142163|1,142436|1) - and maybe things like 02:22:299 (142299|2,142572|2) - can also be avoided.
2. 02:37:299 (157299|3,157436|3) - Even the SC diff doesn't do this. Consider changing but if not that is fine.

Remapped with reference from SHD diff, though not copied completely. Help check again thanks :"D

(edit 2: finished up except for the 00:28 portion, changes made with permission by ant )

Murumoo wrote:

wow very good song

go rank pls

Envory wrote:

Spirit Change into 》"Haunt"
Would be great imo

Staravia wrote:

good song good map :thumbsup:

DarthSkrill wrote:

good map! i have no mods, as i don't play 4k, but i think you overrated the sv's. in sc, https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/9047201 i failed there, but no sv's that cause a miss or anything serious, couple 200s from sv but no 100s

Note: I'm trying new things and abandoning grammar. In forum how does it look?

Edit: Also tried shd, no luck. About sv's, they do add to the character of the song (spooky), I'm just saying you should look at the audience. Out of 5* and 6* 4k level players, who hasn't had experience with minor sv like in shd/sc?

DarthSkrill wrote:

Neither; I'm saying that you're overplaying them in the desc

qqqant wrote:

DarthSkrill wrote:

Neither; I'm saying that you're overplaying them in the desc

O HAHA WHOOPS

i mean a lot of people are pretty experienced in SV but some people (like me) are not good at sight reading at all xd
oh well

DarthSkrill wrote:

That's why I said look at your audience. The vast majority of 6* players are experienced enough to read sv. You have taken less time to get to that level, so you'll naturally be slightly worse, but most will be able. I can sv pretty well because I listen to the notes as well. For example, I'm rank 10 this map

qqqant wrote:

DarthSkrill wrote:

That's why I said look at your audience. The vast majority of 6* players are experienced enough to read sv. You have taken less time to get to that level, so you'll naturally be slightly worse, but most will be able. I can sv pretty well because I listen to the notes as well. For example, I'm rank 10 this map

ok so can you explain what you're asking me to change? i don't get it

DarthSkrill wrote:

You don't need to change anything, I'm just telling you that your sv's are pretty minor...

DarthSkrill wrote:

"nearly unsightreadable SVs"

This phrase in particular is kinda off, I believe.

Edit: I know it sounds nice; you don't have to change it

qqqant wrote:

SHD - suggestion on adding more SV would be nice 'w'

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zawz wrote:

From my queue

qqqant wrote:

SHD - suggestion on adding more SV would be nice 'w'

Isn't there enough SV already? SVVVVVVVV

Format:
time - description
-->boxed code

01:20:254 - something accelerating

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01:29:254 - & 01:33:617 - & 01:37:981 - & 01:42:345 - glitchy 1/6 /!\ you'll need to delete x1 at 01:29:254

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01:55:027 - 01:55:436 - tiny jumpy SV

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03:00:890 - 03:04:436 - Jumpy SV getting more intense

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If you just want everything: /!\ you'll need to delete x1 at 01:29:254

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Everything should work as-is.
All of these shoul also work on SC if you want to.

On a sidenote: all of the SVs on this map are easily sightreadable to me. Although it might just be because I'm a huge SV player. But I suck at the patterns because I'm still a noob lol

Also
Star

SurfChu85 wrote:

first time modding in a while, please bear with me (am kind of noob at this as well)

tbh, i don't even think this deserves kudosu, it's just like what? two things pointed out? I'll give you kudosu for now,
if BN thinks it doesn't deserve they can deny it

1 | 2 | 3 | 4

clicky

Collab PHANTASM [MX]
01:55:299 (115299|2) - move to 2 or 4, this minijack seems out of place in comparison to how the patterns around it flows changed

SPECTER [SHD]
05:10:777 - am pretty sure that i didn't hear anything here where you could make the jumptrill continue the synth noise in the background is being mapped here, same sound starting at 05:12:617 owo

sorry if it's really that short, i kind of suck at pointing out stuff at higher difficulties plus, i just can't see any faults on it on a personal scale, again, just see the red text above

dunno why i said "yes" on discord, but there's this

tatatat wrote:

there is stacked notes in the specter diff? pls fix? Like at 03:16:708 -

donutsalad wrote:

modded via irc xD

boring long conversation xd

08:51 donutsalad: should there be jumps here?
08:51 donutsalad: 02:59:799 (179799|2,180072|0,180345|1,180617|2,180890|0,181163|3,181436|2,181708|1,181981|0,182254|2,182527|1,182799|3,183072|0,183345|1,183617|2,183890|0,184163|3) -
08:51 donutsalad: because the bass starts
08:51 donutsalad: i mean
08:51 qqqant: wait a sec
08:51 donutsalad: like kick drum or whatever
08:51 donutsalad: actually i selected a bit to early i think
08:52 donutsalad: but because atm it goes straight from notes to broken js
08:52 qqqant: which diff is this
08:52 donutsalad: HD
08:52 qqqant: okay
08:52 donutsalad: shouldn't it go notes -> jumps -> js?
08:52 qqqant: hmm
08:52 donutsalad: only cause the music has the kick in the background
08:53 qqqant: well if you look at the spread that doesnt really work out
08:53 donutsalad: oh shit really
08:53 donutsalad: ok nm does the same thing
08:53 qqqant: i believe so
08:54 qqqant: hmm maybe youre right i should add kicks
08:54 donutsalad: yeah and MX has js in there too
08:54 donutsalad: so jump only would probably work right
08:54 qqqant: both SC and SHD have jumps there though
08:54 donutsalad: i mean not js
08:54 donutsalad: like bursts
08:54 donutsalad: MX has bursts tho
08:54 donutsalad: and NM has same as HD
08:54 donutsalad: so shouldn't it go like
08:55 qqqant: NM = HD and SC = SHD and MX is on its own
08:55 donutsalad: oh
08:55 qqqant: idk what to do with that section regarding MX
08:55 donutsalad: mmmmmm
08:55 qqqant: so no change for now, i'll see if anyone else brings it up then ill reconsider
08:55 donutsalad: yeah i guess with the spread it makes sense
08:56 donutsalad: just playing HD it sounds like jumps tho
08:56 donutsalad: also this is probably another spread thing
08:56 donutsalad: 04:24:617 (264617|1,264754|2,264890|3,265027|1,265163|2,265299|0,265436|1,265572|2,265708|3,265845|1,265981|0,266117|2,266254|1,266390|3,266527|2,266663|0,266799|3,266936|1,267072|0,267208|2,267345|1,267481|0,267617|3,267754|2,267890|1,268027|3,268163|0,268299|2,268436|1,268572|3) -
08:56 donutsalad: but this section
08:56 donutsalad: is like
08:56 donutsalad: 1/2 stream
08:56 donutsalad: even though it's kiai
08:56 donutsalad: and the other sections were harder
08:56 donutsalad: idk if jumpstream doesn't fit or something
08:56 donutsalad: but it seemed undersold i guess
08:56 donutsalad: aaa i don't wanna sound mean or anything
08:57 qqqant: well kiai doesnt necessarily mean hardest part?
08:57 qqqant: ill fix that tho
08:57 donutsalad: but doesn't it mean drop?
08:57 donutsalad: it's not that kiai was wrong
08:57 donutsalad: it's more that compared to the rest of the song
08:57 donutsalad: it was easier
08:57 qqqant: i was concerned at that part because
08:57 qqqant: if you take a look at NM
08:57 qqqant: it's just 1/1 LNs
08:57 donutsalad: oh
08:57 donutsalad: really
08:57 qqqant: yea
08:57 donutsalad: huh
08:58 donutsalad: i should've looked at spread
08:58 qqqant: i was concerned that if i did js there in HD, it would flip flop the spread
08:58 donutsalad: are you sure 1/1 lns was right?
08:58 donutsalad: cause other stuff in nm seemed a lot harder
08:58 qqqant: im sure
08:58 qqqant: im looking at it rn
08:58 qqqant: https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/9647057
08:58 donutsalad: oh yeah
08:58 donutsalad: no i found it
08:58 qqqant: left is HD right is NM
08:58 donutsalad: oh shit
08:59 donutsalad: what
08:59 donutsalad: how did you do that
08:59 donutsalad: wtf
08:59 qqqant: file -> open difficulty -> for reference
08:59 qqqant: lol
08:59 donutsalad: HOLY SHIT LOL
08:59 donutsalad: THAT'S SO USEFUL
08:59 qqqant: and yeah lol
09:00 qqqant: also i believe NM is a little underrated? as someone (forgot who) brought that up to me
09:00 qqqant: but has like loads of people who seem to be fine with it
09:00 donutsalad: i can't tell
09:00 qqqant: me neither tbh
09:00 donutsalad: i have like 1/10 reference for below 3* tbh LOL
09:00 donutsalad: i can say hey this shouldn't be 1* to coinage
09:00 donutsalad: but that's it LOL
09:01 qqqant: lol
09:01 donutsalad: ok that all makes sense with spread
09:01 donutsalad: wait uh
09:01 qqqant: anything else?
09:02 qqqant: like moving on to other diff maybe?
09:02 donutsalad: yeah
09:02 donutsalad: 04:54:754 (294754|1,295163|0) -
09:02 donutsalad: these two i had written down
09:02 donutsalad: that maybe kick?
09:02 donutsalad: idk
09:02 donutsalad: like jump
09:02 donutsalad: oops
09:02 donutsalad: not kick
09:02 qqqant: you mean double?
09:02 donutsalad: yeah jump LOL
09:03 qqqant: hmm
09:03 donutsalad: just while it's sorta broken
09:03 qqqant: i put those on the left hand on purpose
09:03 donutsalad: yeah see i thought that
09:03 qqqant: cuz like double would be weird
09:03 donutsalad: yeah idk where you'd put it
09:03 donutsalad: on second though
09:03 donutsalad: t
09:04 qqqant: because MX has double on those notes
09:04 donutsalad: oFC you've planned this
09:04 qqqant: and though NM also does, it doesnt have any other notes
09:04 donutsalad: that sounds highly justified
09:04 qqqant: yea ive thought through a lot of stuff :^(
09:04 donutsalad: no kidding
09:04 qqqant: but that just leaves more room for mistakes elsewhere
09:04 qqqant: which is why im like desperate for mod lol XD
09:04 donutsalad: LOL
09:04 donutsalad: but i can't see anything
09:05 donutsalad: nothing i've said so far has been any help LOL
09:05 donutsalad: you're too good
09:05 qqqant: no i will be considering some stuff when i discuss with BN maybe
09:05 qqqant: a lot of points people made are good points
09:05 qqqant: i just have a justification for why i do it my way, but im happy to change if enough people say another way is better
09:06 donutsalad: i guess, i only was thinking about playing the one map, not how it would work between spread
09:06 donutsalad: but i'm not sure if other people care so much about spreads lining up
09:06 qqqant: yeah thats what i was thinking
09:07 donutsalad: not to belittle the planning behind it omg
09:07 donutsalad: you've done it really well
09:07 donutsalad: also sory idrk what im doing on lower stars at all
09:07 qqqant: so though it can be justified with spread, i'd take into consideration points that take the difficulty as it is alone
09:07 qqqant: and then fix the spread through other suggestions
09:07 donutsalad: yeah i guess
09:07 donutsalad: and if two things from different spreads line up
09:07 qqqant: but for me, they all play well
09:07 donutsalad: that'd be a thing to change too
09:07 donutsalad: yeah they do
09:08 qqqant: theres still a problem though
09:08 donutsalad: that's what i was complaining about earlier LOL
09:08 donutsalad: you're too good at mapping
09:08 donutsalad: i can't mod XD
09:08 qqqant: ;w;
09:08 qqqant: well still
09:08 qqqant: there is still a spread problem
09:08 donutsalad: what's the spread problem?
09:08 qqqant: lets move to MX
09:08 donutsalad: oke in mx
09:08 donutsalad: should i load up reference
09:08 qqqant: reference to SC probably
09:09 donutsalad: ok done
09:09 qqqant: ive done this with every difficulty, making sure everything on the left is easier than everything on the right
09:09 qqqant: but there was one thing i didnt catch
09:09 donutsalad: yeah i noticed that actually LOL
09:09 qqqant: 02:56:527 (176527|0) -
09:09 donutsalad: 02:56:527 (176527|2) -
09:09 donutsalad: you could always remove that?
09:10 donutsalad: first glance suggestion
09:10 qqqant: shit u right
09:10 donutsalad: owo did i do a help?!
09:10 qqqant: well the thing is, in this section
09:10 donutsalad: go on
09:10 qqqant: even though is not really that big of a deal
09:10 qqqant: MX is significantly harder than SC and SHD in this section
09:11 donutsalad: yeah but you said MX was the odd one out right
09:11 qqqant: yea
09:11 qqqant: but the thing is
09:11 donutsalad: and that everything had a pair but MX
09:11 donutsalad: so MX could have a like
09:11 qqqant: i would happily change SC and SHD
09:11 donutsalad: "easter egg" or some better word
09:11 qqqant: to fit the spread
09:11 qqqant: but in SHD there is a problem
09:11 qqqant: i have SV there
09:11 qqqant: to match the notes
09:11 donutsalad: i think i remember
09:11 qqqant: so im planning to talk to BN about that
09:11 donutsalad: and i think that you should keep MX as the odd one out
09:11 donutsalad: it's the quirk of MX
09:11 qqqant: yeah thats what im thinking to do
09:12 qqqant: yea
09:12 donutsalad: quirk not easter egg there we go LOL
09:12 qqqant: lol
09:12 donutsalad: but yeah
09:12 donutsalad: i honestly think that works out well
09:12 donutsalad: like that it's the opposite of a problem
09:12 qqqant: hmmyeah
09:12 qqqant: but i still think i need to talk about it with BN
09:13 donutsalad: ofc i mean they're the ones with the rulebook n stuff
09:13 qqqant: lol
09:13 qqqant: anyways
09:13 qqqant: is there any patterning problem
09:13 donutsalad: i've not had a chance to look thouroughly
09:13 qqqant: ah ok
09:13 donutsalad: but not that i can remember off he bad
09:13 donutsalad: bat*
09:13 qqqant: take ur time ig
09:14 donutsalad: got my editor is so out of time
09:14 qqqant: rip
09:16 donutsalad: it favored a particular direction for a while
09:16 donutsalad: but that's probably just me beign stupidly penickety
09:17 qqqant: hmm
09:17 qqqant: u mean SC?
09:17 qqqant: or MX still
09:18 qqqant: oh yeah in the 1/3 section?
09:19 donutsalad: wait what am i in
09:19 donutsalad: yeah mx
09:19 donutsalad: and im pre sure it was 1/3
09:19 qqqant: which part is tihs
09:19 qqqant: ok
09:19 donutsalad: lemme find
09:19 qqqant: yeah thats not my section xD
09:20 qqqant: is there anything else??
09:20 donutsalad: hmm something is sorta uncomforadble
09:21 donutsalad: ok wait lemme just
09:21 donutsalad: 04:24:617 (264617|3,264617|0,264686|1,264754|2,264822|3,264890|0,264958|1,265027|2,265095|3,265163|0,265231|2,265299|1,265367|3) -
09:21 donutsalad: the bit after this
09:21 donutsalad: idk something feels a little off
09:21 qqqant: eh
09:22 qqqant: i tested that section so much :^(
09:22 donutsalad: yeah i can feel it
09:22 donutsalad: fuck i've done that
09:22 donutsalad: hmmm
09:22 qqqant: so like
09:22 qqqant: there is a pattern
09:22 donutsalad: it's not even that bad
09:22 donutsalad: tbh
09:23 qqqant: on the left hand the 1 and 2 alternate every time
09:23 donutsalad: actually yeah
09:23 qqqant: same with right hand
09:23 donutsalad: oh yeah no i can see that
09:23 donutsalad: but it was just offputting to come into
09:23 qqqant: for some faster players, that is uncomfortable
09:23 donutsalad: yeah for me
09:23 qqqant: like being used to stepmania single stream pattern like hi19
09:23 donutsalad: i just tried with different hand position
09:23 donutsalad: and it was fun
09:23 qqqant: and then running into this
09:23 donutsalad: i've seen it before but a lot faster
09:24 donutsalad: yeah nah it was just my hand positioning
09:24 donutsalad: ok nvm
09:24 qqqant: o okay
09:25 donutsalad: ok yeah
09:25 donutsalad: actually all of ti was fine as far as i can tell

JustinNF wrote:

Was thinking of modding more diffs but life sucks

HD

00:20:254 (20254|1) - Strong sound (suggest to add a note)
00:21:072 (21072|1) - ^
00:21:617 (21617|3) - ^
00:22:436 (22436|0) - ^ (also includes those with the same sounds, until 00:22:436 (22436|0) - )

this part, eh i dont know, is already between NM and MX spread, if i added those, then would be the same as MX

01:17:186 - Maybe add a note here
01:18:004 - ^
01:19:367 - ^

oh yes

01:28:163 (88163|1,88436|0) - Strong sound (suggest to add another note)

changed positioning for pitch relevancy, no notes added

01:29:254 (89254|0) - Maybe note rather than LN?

multiple notes? or just one note? not changed

02:19:981 (139981|1) - This should be started from 02:20:049 - NICE CATCH

02:55:981 (175981|0,175981|1) - One note to LN? yee
03:05:663 - Maybe add a note here would be too dense, i'm aware the pattern might be really off, will talk to BN
03:06:208 - ^ (same for the sub-beats until 03:09:617 - )
04:24:617 - to 04:30:345 - Suggest to use doubles for strong beats every 4 notes now

SC

01:18:958 (78958|3) - GHOST there is a sound there
01:18:958 (78958|3) - missing one note here what, didnt you say this was a ghost note
02:04:163 (124163|1,124163|0) - Should ended 02:06:481 - with 02:06:447 (126447|3,126447|2) - starting at the same timing not consistent
05:11:527 (311527|0) - GHOST there is a sound there
05:25:981 (325981|2) - Should be starting from 05:26:458 -
05:27:072 (327072|0) - Should be starting from 05:27:413 - and ended 05:28:231 -
05:28:163 (328163|3) - Should be starting from 05:28:231 -
05:31:436 (331436|2) - Should be starting from 05:31:708 -
(I think got carried away by a bit for this diff xd)

ending fixed for both SHD and SC, i think that counts as SHD mod as well

Polytetral wrote:

Requested mod from Discord owo
Main request was to fix the jumpstream patterning in SC. I'll try to find some portions that could use something other than rollies, im sorry prot, and I'll pinpoint other things that could be fixed along the way. I'll come back to mod the other difficulties other than MX soon when I have more time

SC js portions

01:46:708 till 02:03:617 - This was the part you were pointing out in discord?

My main concern regarding this is the repetitiveness of the same rolly jumpstream pattern - while this was probably done with the intention of smoothing out the patterns, I personally feel this part can be taken a notch higher to make this buildup section slightly more fun to play (or even, tiring for the players at the targeted difficulty level) before settling into the church organ intermission.

01:46:708 to 01:59:799 - So personally, an option is to vary the rolly patterns. Your current patterns for each measure keeps showing up time and again for all 16 measures of this portion of the song (and eventually get boring as a player). As such you'd be better off changing a pattern every 1 measure or so.
This is an open-ended mod, but consider some 1-measure patterns I've mapped below for you. It's up to you for the transitioning of these patterns:
1st 2nd 3rd 4th

02:01:981 to 02:03:617 - those rolly patterns are way over the top tbh old jokes
In all seriousness, they greatly undermine the degree of challenge for this buildup section, and are already used in the 2 rolly js patterns in 00:59:799 and 01:26:186. Makes it all the more repetitive and mediocre.
Consider making this portion harder while keeping this semi-rolly(?): I imagined something like this but feel free to variate it if this is not what you would expect This? fixed this section, thank you! >W<

Okay, with that out of the way, I'll be checking other stuffs such as pattern improvements in terms of the map structure. Anything that is not within the above timestamp goes below:

SC - Others

01:26:186 - This is subjective, but ctrl-h this: I can't really think of any other way to variate this without affecting the structure of the map, so flipping it should be enough of a method to do so.

01:47:254, 01:51:617, 01:55:981, 02:00:345 - Just a suggestion but you could add another note here to make a chord. This chord would indicate a pause in the jumpstream patterning (refer to 01:38:527) not really a reason as it is 1/4 and awkward random triple oof

04:01:981 - rolly js strikes again
Yeah it gets pretty tiring keeping up with patterns that bore the players fast tbh
Refer to what I mentioned in the js section- and maybe consider changing it up a bit to make it less dry. If you do, try this out(?): This

04:24:617 to 04:28:436 - Same as the js section above
Also repetitive considering that you could swap up the patterns a bit to build up to the next kiai section. Refer to the js section examples or use your own ideas if you come up if anything personally better

04:37:981 to 04:39:617 - consider using my point on 04:01:981 (the buildup to the jumptrill), but ctrl-h to variate without changing the structure of the map.
^

05:11:799 to 05:13:163 - same as above^
fixed all the rolly js to have more variation

Hope this finds you good cos you've been waiting for this mod for eons I'll definitely try to help out with your other diffs but for now that's it.